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2012-12-31 10:39:46 AM  
Bad driver thread!

/Makes popcorn
 
2012-12-31 10:51:34 AM  

SnarfVader: Bad driver thread!

/Makes popcorn


No, Bad state thread.

/grows popcorn
 
2012-12-31 11:09:02 AM  
Get out of the left lane, grand pa!
 
2012-12-31 11:10:10 AM  
Eh. I'm as anti-cop as they come, but...


Why didn't she move to the middle lane?

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

It wasn't. The trooper pulled her over and issued a summons for failing to keep right. The cop wasn't interested in her fear of moving to the right. And he sure didn't want to hear complaints about his own driving.

"Too bad," he told her, noting that he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.


If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.
 
2012-12-31 11:10:13 AM  
"If we all followed that law," said Doug Groner of Hillsdale, "we'd have everybody squeezed into one right lane."

No farktard. Most European highways are 2 lanes and when people stay the fark right traffic flows 1000% better.
 
2012-12-31 11:12:02 AM  
"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed,  thinking this was OK."

Well, I would hope one of the things they'll teach her in that defensive driving class is not to travel alongside a tractor-trailer unit for any length of time.  If one of those blows a tire while you're alongside it, you could very well be toast.  The percussion impact can be powerful enough to knock you right off the road.

I was travelling on a country road a few years back, and the vehicle in front of me was a dump truck - and it was almost a half mile ahead of me.  It blew a tire, and I could feel the percussion impact of the blast from that far back.  I can just about imagine what it would have felt like if I were significantly closer.

If you find yourself next to a large truck of some sort, the best thing to do is to either speed up and get in front of it, or slow down and get behind it.  Don't just continue to travel beside it.
 
2012-12-31 11:12:13 AM  
Was that entire article a set-up to attend defensive driving?
 
2012-12-31 11:22:23 AM  
This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.
 
2012-12-31 11:26:09 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "If we all followed that law," said Doug Groner of Hillsdale, "we'd have everybody squeezed into one right lane."

No farktard. Most European highways are 2 lanes and when people stay the fark right traffic flows 1000% better.


Yeah, I think I bruised myself with that facepalm.
 
2012-12-31 12:15:31 PM  
citizens arrest the cop for following too closely.

/and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended
//sue
 
2012-12-31 12:27:23 PM  

EnviroDude: citizens arrest the cop for following too closely.


What law states the definition of "following too closely", or makes it an arrestable offense? Congrats, your jailhouse lawyering has now gotten someone arrested for a number of felonies in most states. (Kidnapping, False Imprisonment, Assault with a Deadly Weapon, etc.)

EnviroDude: /and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended


Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?
 
2012-12-31 12:43:33 PM  
It was a girl, what do you expect?
 
2012-12-31 01:50:25 PM  
That's a special kind of entrapment.
 
2012-12-31 01:52:22 PM  
Isn't there a "make way" law?
 
2012-12-31 01:53:44 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Isn't there a "make way" law?


For cops, yeah.
You don't have to like them, but GTF out of their way.
Let them go and stay off their radar.
 
2012-12-31 01:54:28 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: SnarfVader: Bad driver thread!

/Makes popcorn

No, Bad state thread.

/grows popcorn


SUCKY 20-something WOMAN DRIVER thread.
/Get. Off. My. Turnpike.
//steals popcorn.
 
2012-12-31 01:54:44 PM  
How does a story like this come to be? Someone received a traffic violation and then informed the local media?
 
2012-12-31 01:54:55 PM  
Trolltastic tag, since the Cop should be a hero. It's called impeding traffic. If you're so afraid of a ticket when a cop is tailgating you, you MOVE THE fark OVER. Not all of us are passive aggressive douchebags in Prius's that choose to contribute to the road rage cases in this country. It is against the law to be in the left lane and not passing someone.
 
2012-12-31 01:55:14 PM  
"Man I've been tellin friends for years about all those arsehole cops always breaking the law and hurting us common folks - I had a friend that got 80 years for just having a burnt seed in his ashtray!!! Man,.... (etc, etc.)"

/getting the ball rolling
 
2012-12-31 01:55:26 PM  
Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.
 
2012-12-31 01:55:54 PM  
GTFO! (over) and don't allow yourself to be caught in the passing lane. This is not rocket science.

/Former LEO
 
2012-12-31 01:56:07 PM  
If you don't want to speed up, you slow down, turn on your signal and move the fark over when it's clear.

You got a ticket for blocking the passing lane because you were blocking the passing lane. I hope it ruined your Christmas you stupid biatch.

You know what's an easy way to avoid this sort of thing? Don't get in the passing lane unless you're going to pass, shiat-for-brains.

/ no, I didn't bother reading pages 2 and 3

EnviroDude: /and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended


Cop has a dash cam. He may get in some minor trouble for following too closely (if he even was), but you're not only going to pay for all the damage you caused to both cars, you're going to get some heavy fines for causing an accident.

Your ideas are terrible. A smart person would stay out of the left lane if they're not passing. A smarter person than the idiot in the article would have turned on their signal, braked to let the trailer pass, and then moved the fark over.
 
2012-12-31 01:56:14 PM  
Good! I so hate these control freaks who get off on holding up traffic just because they can, move the fark over you asshat!
 
2012-12-31 01:56:16 PM  

EnviroDude: citizens arrest the cop for following too closely.

/and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended
//sue


Please stop having opinions. You aren't ready yet.
 
2012-12-31 01:56:50 PM  

serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.


She sounds like the kind of girl that starts a fight in a bar and expects you to fight it.
 
2012-12-31 01:57:19 PM  
Probably a non story. You mean to tell me there was no way to get out of the left lane for three miles? Pfft. Cops aren't going to bust your balls for 10-15 mph over to clear the left lane. Besides, if you're going 65 on the NJ turnpike or similar highway, every car is passing you regardless if there's a trooper around.
 
2012-12-31 01:57:33 PM  
The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.
 
2012-12-31 01:57:34 PM  

Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


Yes, and if the cop needs to get past, all he has to do is turn on his lights and siren. At that point, the driver realizes that it's an emergency, and breaks the speed limit. It's OK to run a red light to clear an intersection, drive onto the shoulder etc to yield to an emergency vehicle.

Not an emergency, officer? Then drive the speed limit like everyone else, sh*tbag.
 
2012-12-31 01:57:36 PM  
and yall keep voting Democrat...
 
2012-12-31 01:57:55 PM  
I've logged 250,000+ miles driving on NJ highways in the past 12 years going to and from work.

The cops on the interstates/Turnpike/GSP will give you a LOT of leeway with the rules, unless you're driving while black.

Three miles is more than enough time to get over. The cop isn't going to give you a ticket for going 75 in a 65 to get out of his/her way.
 
2012-12-31 01:58:20 PM  
 
2012-12-31 01:58:31 PM  
20 yr old female couldn't blow her way out of this??
Sounds fishy
 
2012-12-31 01:58:35 PM  

serial_crusher: she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?


Her dad wrote a letter to the newspaper biatching about the ticket. I don't see what battle he is fighting.
 
2012-12-31 01:58:36 PM  
In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me. I finally decided to speed up to get around them, and was immediatly pulled over. I explained to the cop exactly what happened, and he didnt disagree. He was just trying to meet his quota, so he wrote me 3 BS tickets which i fought and didnt pay a dime. But even the cop admitted, he could easily give me a speeding ticket, and id have no reason to argue. It is messed up when they pull this shiat. But i mean, its just part of driving. When these guys have to make quotas, they kinda have to do this shiat sometimes.
 
2012-12-31 01:58:44 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.


Truth!
 
2012-12-31 01:59:42 PM  
If you don't know how to allow natural flow on a highway, you have no place being there. A couple MPH over the speed limit to get your goddamn ass out of the way is fine.
 
2012-12-31 01:59:48 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.


GRRRRR. No shiat. Wifey is from Chicago and we make the trip up there a few times a year. Don't get me wrong, I love the city, but DEAR GOD why can't Chicagoians understand to GET THE fark OUT OF THE LEFT LANE!!!
 
2012-12-31 01:59:51 PM  

JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.


Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds or flow of traffic speeds. If you're slower than someone else on the road, you shouldn't be in the left lane. Easy as that.
 
2012-12-31 01:59:57 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.


Chicago also likes having on-ramps enter from the left and having the right lane subsequently disappear to keep the lane count constant. I can almost understand why they tend to stick left.
 
2012-12-31 01:59:57 PM  

BronyMedic: Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?


Considering my wife just got a ticket for a rear-end collision in which the car in front of her suddenly slammed on the brakes, I'm going to say you're simply making stuff up.
 
2012-12-31 02:00:14 PM  
All sounds like the cop being a dick, except.. he probably wouldn't have given the car a ticket for speeding while passing. For one, even police chiefs say they generally have no business pulling you over unless you are 10 miles over the speed limit. Second, over 3 miles you could have edged passed the truck going 1-2 mph faster. She stayed in place for 3 freaking miles next to a truck.

I hate people who freeze up and suddenly become model citizens of the law at the sigh of a cop car. Just the other day I actually had to swirv into the passing lane cause an idiot droped from 75 to 65 (70sl) when passing a cop car scanning from the side.
 
2012-12-31 02:00:14 PM  
Can we get her a trophy? I mean just think of the stress and panic of not knowing what to do. I mean she is operating a 3-5 ton vehicle after all.

Maybe we can just ban stupid people.

Extra points if she had a sticker that says. I have a "dog/cat/squirell/chicken" and i vote sticker on the car.
 
2012-12-31 02:00:21 PM  
But how do you cope when you're doing the speed limit in the left lane and the tailgater is a cop?
Get the fark out of the left lane you asshole!
 
2012-12-31 02:01:14 PM  
Three miles? If the limit was 60 and she was doing exactly sixty then I really doubt she'd have got a ticket for doing 61, even ignoring the fact that 61 on your speedo is almost certainly about 56.
At 61 she'd have cleared a semi in twenty seconds, a third of a mile.
 
2012-12-31 02:01:59 PM  
FTA: (page 3) "As a rule, police aren't terrorists. Common sense suggests drivers should assume that a cop's POWER trip is urgent and pull over - even if he doesn't use his siren or flashers."

Fixed
 
2012-12-31 02:02:22 PM  

KimNorth: Good! I so hate these control freaks who get off on holding up traffic just because they can, move the fark over you asshat!


I don't think that's it, I think they're just cowards and idiots. I frequently see people pull from an onramp straight across the left most lane then proceed to not pass and jam up the road behind them.

I usually wait a bit then just start flashing my lights periodically. If it goes on long enough I wait until it's clear again to the right and just move over at which point they get the horn and the finger out the window.

I'm sure these idiots think they're doing nothing wrong and have no idea why people are always being so mean and nasty to them all the time time or why there's always a mile long line of pissed off people behind them...
 
2012-12-31 02:02:26 PM  

lexnaturalis: Considering my wife just got a ticket for a rear-end collision in which the car in front of her suddenly slammed on the brakes, I'm going to say you're simply making stuff up.


Depends on what you can prove. Install your own dash cam like the Russians do to protect yourself from liability.
 
2012-12-31 02:02:48 PM  

This text is now purple: Chicago also likes having on-ramps enter from the left and having the right lane subsequently disappear to keep the lane count constant. I can almost understand why they tend to stick left.


They do have quite a few off ramps on the left if you're traveling on certain highways, but that's no excuse for riding the left lane miles from the ramp in light traffic.
 
2012-12-31 02:03:41 PM  
Put her to death. Anyone who makes a habit of driving in the left lane while not passing the car to their right deserves a slow painful death. I'm not kidding.
 
2012-12-31 02:03:56 PM  

bhcompy: JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.

Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds or flow of traffic speeds. If you're slower than someone else on the road, you shouldn't be in the left lane. Easy as that.


I'm not disagreeing with you on that. I agree.
 
2012-12-31 02:04:00 PM  

vinnydoz007: In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me.


Then why were you in the passing lane to begin with?
 
2012-12-31 02:04:04 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: / no, I didn't bother reading pages 2 and 3.


There were two more pages?
 
2012-12-31 02:04:11 PM  

shinji3i: How does a story like this come to be? Someone received a traffic violation and then informed the local mediablogged it?


/FTFY
//Also GTFO of the "fast lane" there is a reason why its called the "fast lane" you farktard!!!
 
2012-12-31 02:04:15 PM  
I don't know about traffic laws in all states, but don't most have speed limits of X means you can go X+5 or X+10 to pass? I know of at least two states, and I presume a third but can't be assed to look it up to verify, but I was under the impression passing was a common exception, specifically so you are not impeding traffic.
 
2012-12-31 02:04:16 PM  
3 miles is enough time and distance to get pass the truck with out going 5 miles over or slowing down and dropping behind . The question is did she have a Florida tag on the car ?
 
2012-12-31 02:04:18 PM  

bhcompy: lexnaturalis: Considering my wife just got a ticket for a rear-end collision in which the car in front of her suddenly slammed on the brakes, I'm going to say you're simply making stuff up.

Depends on what you can prove. Install your own dash cam like the Russians do to protect yourself from liability.


I'm seriously considering it.
 
2012-12-31 02:04:24 PM  
traveling to work in newark years ago i often saw state troopers on the NJTP doing 80-85 a good 12 to 36" behind the car in front of them. one hand on the wheel while they intensely scrutinized your shiat in the next lane. hard arse no fear mother farkers, those boys. must have scared the shiat out of the car in front of them. route 80 traffic also gets insane. seeing 12-15 cars lock it up in a row at high speed and make the rear ends jump in the air at once - NASCAR should be that sick.
 
2012-12-31 02:05:10 PM  

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...


Rapeublicans support this too. After they legitimately rape you.
 
2012-12-31 02:05:27 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Cop has a dash cam. He may get in some minor trouble for following too closely (if he even was)


That made me laugh so hard the dog started barking at me... cop getting in trouble for breaking the law, that's hilarious.
 
2012-12-31 02:05:30 PM  
Also, I find it odd that people don't know to keep right. Most(all?) states require driving school. I did mine in '99. Stay right unless you want to pass was pounded in my head more than anything else, and that's in California where staying right isn't possible in the perpetual traffic jam.
 
2012-12-31 02:05:31 PM  
She should have just opened fire on the tailgater and "TAH DAH!!!", PROBLEM SOLVED!
 
2012-12-31 02:05:53 PM  
I-75 halfway up Michigan, only left lane open, rest being repaired. 45 MPH speed limit in the construction zone. For 20 miles state cop rides about 10 feet off my rear bumper, no lights, no siren. Drift up to 55 despite speed limit, cop just moves a little closer. End of the construction zone, change to right lane, he accelerates to about 5 above speed limit and saunters on.
 
2012-12-31 02:05:58 PM  

vinnydoz007: In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me. I finally decided to speed up to get around them, and was immediatly pulled over. I explained to the cop exactly what happened, and he didnt disagree. He was just trying to meet his quota, so he wrote me 3 BS tickets which i fought and didnt pay a dime. But even the cop admitted, he could easily give me a speeding ticket, and id have no reason to argue. It is messed up when they pull this shiat. But i mean, its just part of driving. When these guys have to make quotas, they kinda have to do this shiat sometimes.


I smell bull shiat.
 
2012-12-31 02:06:34 PM  
FTFA: But how do you cope when you're doing the speed limit in the left lane and the tailgater is a cop?

By getting in the proper, right lane?

Here in Michigan, on limited access roads (highways) with two lanes in a single direction, the left lane is for PASSING and authorized vehicles. You will get ticketed by State Troopers for this sort of nonsense. If somebody comes up behind me in the passing lane, and I'm not stuck behind some idiot, I get over as soon as I can. When I pass, I pass, -  that means at least 10mph over the speed of the vehicle I am passing, not 1 or 2mph. If I won't go more than 1 or 2mph faster then the guy I'm trying to pass, why bother passing him?
 
2012-12-31 02:07:14 PM  

JeffMD: I hate people who freeze up and suddenly become model citizens of the law at the sigh of a cop car. Just the other day I actually had to swirv into the passing lane cause an idiot droped from 75 to 65 (70sl) when passing a cop car scanning from the side.


You had to swirv? Urban dictionary definition for swirv - a person who has sexual fantasies about being fed grapes by an earthworm.

Seriously, if you had to swerve to avoid someone slowing down from 75 to 65, you were following too close or you weren't paying attention to begin with.
 
2012-12-31 02:07:44 PM  
Every farking day I have to deal with human slugs who run rolling roadblocks from the left lane. How do you pass a DL test without knowing that blocking the passing lane is bad? She deserves a ticket. My compliments to this cop.

It doesn't help that I live in area where a critical mass of people have warrants, so they always cruise 5 miles under. Many will make u-turns if they see rollers ahead.
 
2012-12-31 02:09:02 PM  

serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.


You'd think the second her window rolls down she would already be crying her eyes out.  I have a funny feeling she's used this tactic with dada before when she wants her way.
 
2012-12-31 02:09:27 PM  
Doesn't Jersey use the universal road sign for stay to the riight, pass on the left?

i877.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 02:09:30 PM  

KrispyKritter: traveling to work in newark years ago i often saw state troopers on the NJTP doing 80-85 a good 12 to 36" behind the car in front of them. one hand on the wheel while they intensely scrutinized your shiat in the next lane. hard arse no fear mother farkers, those boys. must have scared the shiat out of the car in front of them. route 80 traffic also gets insane. seeing 12-15 cars lock it up in a row at high speed and make the rear ends jump in the air at once - NASCAR should be that sick.


Apparently, you never experienced the traffic circles that used to be on Route 35 in Wall Twp... especially the 34/35 circle. Makes NASCAR look lame.  They have since been replaced, but you needed to develop ninja driving skills to negotiate those bad boys.
 
2012-12-31 02:09:39 PM  
If the cop was in such a hurry, why didn't he proceed when she pulled over? Sounds to me like he was trolling the highway.
 
2012-12-31 02:10:03 PM  
You can and should speed up to yield the right of way in NJ. The article says the limit was 65. She could have done 67 and not legally been able to get a ticket, due to radar gun calibration limitations. She *should* have put her right turn signal on, sped up to 67 and done herself two favors: first, she gets out from beside a big truck, which is dangerous; second: she yields right of way to an emergency vehicle.

Clearly, she was in the wrong. She should take the ticket and the points.

/Instead she boohoos to the press and her daddy.
/Whatever.
 
2012-12-31 02:10:04 PM  

lexnaturalis: Considering my wife just got a ticket for a rear-end collision in which the car in front of her suddenly slammed on the brakes...


So? Unless there's more to that story, why would you be surprised she'd get a ticket? I got rear-ended once because some dipshiat stopped suddenly right in front of me for literally no reason at all. Guy who hit me still got the ticket.
 
2012-12-31 02:10:09 PM  
What no HERO tag for the cop?

Stay out of the left lane!
 
2012-12-31 02:10:32 PM  
Women, especially women in their teens and 20s, should be required to pass a special interstate driving test before they're allowed on it. SPEED UP, YOU IDIOT, IT'S SAFER!
 
2012-12-31 02:10:35 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: I've logged 250,000+ miles driving on NJ highways in the past 12 years going to and from work.

The cops on the interstates/Turnpike/GSP will give you a LOT of leeway with the rules, unless you're driving while black.

Three miles is more than enough time to get over. The cop isn't going to give you a ticket for going 75 in a 65 to get out of his/her way.


What speed do the big rigs go? How hard is it to pass in a 65 zone?

In the UK and most of Europe, they're usually restricted to 56 mph.
 
2012-12-31 02:12:14 PM  

bhcompy: Also, I find it odd that people don't know to keep right. Most(all?) states require driving school. I did mine in '99. Stay right unless you want to pass was pounded in my head more than anything else, and that's in California where staying right isn't possible in the perpetual traffic jam.


I don't know the laws everywhere else, but in Michigan, you can bypass the driving school if you wait until you're 18. At that point all you have to do is take a written test, drive on a permit for a month(or 30 days, whatever), and take the actual drivers test. $75 start to finish(most people opt to take the drivers school so they can get their license at 16, though).

But that's besides the point, since most highways have a sign every .5 miles that remind you to keep right except to pass.

LesserEvil: Here in Michigan, on limited access roads (highways) with two lanes in a single direction, the left lane is for PASSING and authorized vehicles. You will get ticketed by State Troopers for this sort of nonsense.


You will also get ticketed for not moving over for stopped emergency vehicles(my dad learned that the hard way).
 
2012-12-31 02:12:51 PM  

AssAsInAssassin: If the cop was in such a hurry, why didn't he proceed when she pulled over? Sounds to me like he was trolling the highway.


That, sir, is a tautology.
 
2012-12-31 02:12:53 PM  

ChipNASA: She should have just opened fire on the tailgater and "TAH DAH!!!", PROBLEM SOLVED!


This. We all know packing heat gives you an inflated ego and extra courage, why, with a loaded glock in her lap she would have had the strength to speed up and go into the next lane. GUNS are the answer to all of lifes little problems!
 
2012-12-31 02:12:55 PM  
I love any thread that sets the "all police officers abuse their authority" crowd against the "I hate slow drivers" crowd. I plan on showing this article to my roommate to watch his head explode.
 
2012-12-31 02:14:08 PM  
CSB time:

Once got pulled over on hwy 101 in CA for driving 15 over the limit - broad daylight (two lanes each direction)

Told the cop "sorry officer, I had been stuck behind to idiots that were driving side-by-side for miles, so when I finally had the chance to pass, I guess I went overboard"  (a story that, while not factual, was actually almost partially true)

He let me go without so much as a warning.

/CSB
 
2012-12-31 02:14:29 PM  
Drivers who fail to keep right are almost as bad as cyclists, gun owners, and atheists
 
2012-12-31 02:14:34 PM  
I remember cops used to drive in the right lane so they wouldn't interfere with traffic.
Now they are just dicks.
 
2012-12-31 02:14:35 PM  

Jaws_Victim: ChipNASA: She should have just opened fire on the tailgater and "TAH DAH!!!", PROBLEM SOLVED!

This. We all know packing heat gives you an inflated ego and extra courage, why, with a loaded glock in her lap she would have had the strength to speed up and go into the next lane. GUNS are the answer to all of lifes little problems!


wrong thread, you want the "help me hone my strawman skills" thread a few down from this one.
 
2012-12-31 02:15:39 PM  
I only drive up to the speed limit, but at least I have the common sense to stay out of the passing lane. Lady's ticket is well deserved.
 
2012-12-31 02:15:47 PM  

opiumpoopy: Smoky Dragon Dish: I've logged 250,000+ miles driving on NJ highways in the past 12 years going to and from work.

The cops on the interstates/Turnpike/GSP will give you a LOT of leeway with the rules, unless you're driving while black.

Three miles is more than enough time to get over. The cop isn't going to give you a ticket for going 75 in a 65 to get out of his/her way.

What speed do the big rigs go? How hard is it to pass in a 65 zone?

In the UK and most of Europe, they're usually restricted to 56 mph.


In NJ, the tractor trailers can go as fast as the cars. (This is not true for all 50 states) If the highway is three lanes, tractor-trailers/busses cannot drive in the left-most lane. I have noted that police in NJ will NEVER pull you over for going 5-10 mph over the limit. Although, I am white.
 
2012-12-31 02:16:04 PM  

opiumpoopy: What speed do the big rigs go? How hard is it to pass in a 65 zone?


If they're limited and from a fairly responsible trucking company, usually 65 mph.

If they're from Alabama with bald tires, brakes that smell like a magnesium fire and a guy bouncing up and down in the seat with eyes the size of dinner plates and enough drool running down his face to drown a cat in about 95 mph.

Seriously... some of those small-time southern truck outfits hire some seriously terrifying motherfarkers to drive some seriously terrifying safety violations...
 
2012-12-31 02:16:27 PM  
As a rule, police aren't terrorists.
www.addictinginfo.org
So right.
The cops are better equipped than some filthy terrorist!
 
2012-12-31 02:16:56 PM  
Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!


Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.
 
2012-12-31 02:17:31 PM  

BronyMedic: EnviroDude: citizens arrest the cop for following too closely.

What law states the definition of "following too closely", or makes it an arrestable offense? Congrats, your jailhouse lawyering has now gotten someone arrested for a number of felonies in most states. (Kidnapping, False Imprisonment, Assault with a Deadly Weapon, etc.)

EnviroDude: /and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended

Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?


Many cop unions are pushing for cameras to be removed, but you points still stand.
 
2012-12-31 02:17:33 PM  

MycroftHolmes: EnviroDude: citizens arrest the cop for following too closely.

/and if that doesn't work, next time brake for an amoeba and get rear ended
//sue

Please stop having opinions. You aren't ready yet.


Unless the match your's, AmIRight? ( "
 
2012-12-31 02:18:39 PM  

silky76: Popcorn Johnny: Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.

Truth!


If there's no cars within a mile of them why get pissy if someone rides the left lane for a bit? There's no one for at least a mile so they're obviously not in your way either.

I hate drivers as well that think the road belongs to them alone, but I also can't stand those that biatch about everything.
 
2012-12-31 02:19:05 PM  

filter: Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!


Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.


On freeways, no it's not.
 
2012-12-31 02:19:17 PM  

LesserEvil: FTFA: But how do you cope when you're doing the speed limit in the left lane and the tailgater is a cop?

By getting in the proper, right lane?

Here in Michigan, on limited access roads (highways) with two lanes in a single direction, the left lane is for PASSING and authorized vehicles. You will get ticketed by State Troopers for this sort of nonsense. If somebody comes up behind me in the passing lane, and I'm not stuck behind some idiot, I get over as soon as I can. When I pass, I pass, -  that means at least 10mph over the speed of the vehicle I am passing, not 1 or 2mph. If I won't go more than 1 or 2mph faster then the guy I'm trying to pass, why bother passing him?


God I miss this. I went home to Michigan over the summer and hitting the state line on I-94 was like turning a switch; suddenly every driver on the road, traveling at speeds ranging from 10mph over the limit to 30mph over the limit, were able to get where they needed to go with minimal hassle. People would recklessly cut you off to get into the left lane, but immediately speed up and pass, the move back over.

A few people get shot and suddenly there is courtesy.... whodathunkit?
 
2012-12-31 02:20:20 PM  

filter: Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!


In many places, yes.

filter: Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.


I don't see what this has to do with anything. You don't pass on the right because it's not safe most of the time since that's where the ramps are on most highways. Especially in a three lane situation where you then having people from both the outside lanes trying to get into the middle lane to pass.
 
2012-12-31 02:20:20 PM  
Illinois also has a left lane law for Wisconsin drivers to ignore.
 
2012-12-31 02:20:21 PM  
So was the cop's rush justified or were there only two glazed left over at the local Dunkin?
 
2012-12-31 02:20:58 PM  
I was doing about 85 in the left lane (limit was 65) and got pulled over. Cop says, "the reason I pulled you over was you were a little too close to that car in front of you. I know it's frustrating being behind a driver that won't move to the right, but following too closely is one of the leading causes of accidents on the highway. Be more patient next time." Never says a word about the fact I was doing 20 over the limit. Let me go on my way.
 
2012-12-31 02:21:29 PM  

Eve L. Koont: If there's no cars within a mile of them why get pissy if someone rides the left lane for a bit? There's no one for at least a mile so they're obviously not in your way either.

I hate drivers as well that think the road belongs to them alone, but I also can't stand those that biatch about everything.


Because eventually they're going to find themselves in traffic again, usually coming up from the rear.  Not that hard to figure out, was it?
 
2012-12-31 02:21:41 PM  

Evil Mackerel: serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.

She sounds like the kind of girl that starts a fight in a bar and expects you to fight it.


Never let your womans mouth write a check that your ass is gonna have to cash.

/ obscure Steve Buscemi quote?
 
2012-12-31 02:22:07 PM  

filter: Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!

Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.

Where there is a law that requires slower traffic to pull over to the right, no passing on the right.

Where there is no such law, there is no problem passing someone on the right who chooses to drive slow.
 
GBB
2012-12-31 02:22:41 PM  
In Florida, it seems that lane assignments are backwards. I routinely travel on I4, North of Orlando and I always stay in the right, almost completely abandoned, lane. Everyone stays in the middle lane, some people will drive in the left lane, but the right lane is almost always free and clear and I rocket around everyone.

Don't get me wrong. I don't believe I should be passing anyone in the right lane. I drive in the right lane, like I'm supposed to, and if I come up on someone, I respectfully pass them on their left. But, if the right lane is clear, that's where I'll be. It's everyone else that's driving wrong.
 
2012-12-31 02:23:04 PM  
In Texas they just started rolling out the Slower Traffic Keep Right signs on freeways and highways.

I'm all for this. It makes good sense.

The problem is that they are installing them on the right side of the road where left lane hogging cocksuckers won't see them.
 
2012-12-31 02:23:06 PM  
Pigs are sooo gay! He was late gettin' to his boyfriend's house.
 
2012-12-31 02:23:31 PM  
If you are traveling at less than 90 MPH, please remain in the right hand travel lane where you belong.
 
2012-12-31 02:25:11 PM  

serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.


Driving skills aren't that high on my list of things that make a woman "a catch".
 
2012-12-31 02:25:32 PM  

Eve L. Koont: If there's no cars within a mile of them why get pissy if someone rides the left lane for a bit?


Because people say things like that then they come upon traffic farther ahead or get in the habit and it becomes a problem.

Just follow the farking rules. It's amazing how much more smoothly traffic flows in most places if people just learn to follow the basic rules the roads were designed for and don't try making up their own or making excuses for why it's okay for them to break the rules "this time".
 
2012-12-31 02:26:22 PM  
Move the fark over you stupid biatchtard.

Left lane hogs suck.
 
2012-12-31 02:27:14 PM  

hoots_toot_ochaye: "There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed,  thinking this was OK."

Well, I would hope one of the things they'll teach her in that defensive driving class is not to travel alongside a tractor-trailer unit for any length of time.  If one of those blows a tire while you're alongside it, you could very well be toast.  The percussion impact can be powerful enough to knock you right off the road.

I was travelling on a country road a few years back, and the vehicle in front of me was a dump truck - and it was almost a half mile ahead of me.  It blew a tire, and I could feel the percussion impact of the blast from that far back.  I can just about imagine what it would have felt like if I were significantly closer.

If you find yourself next to a large truck of some sort, the best thing to do is to either speed up and get in front of it, or slow down and get behind it.  Don't just continue to travel beside it.


This. And diaf to folks who somehow never learned this, especially on rainy days where you have to contend with backwash while dopey can't find a way to pass in a timely manner.
 
2012-12-31 02:28:46 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: KimNorth: Good! I so hate these control freaks who get off on holding up traffic just because they can, move the fark over you asshat!

I don't think that's it, I think they're just cowards and idiots. I frequently see people pull from an onramp straight across the left most lane then proceed to not pass and jam up the road behind them.

I usually wait a bit then just start flashing my lights periodically. If it goes on long enough I wait until it's clear again to the right and just move over at which point they get the horn and the finger out the window.

I'm sure these idiots think they're doing nothing wrong and have no idea why people are always being so mean and nasty to them all the time time or why there's always a mile long line of pissed off people behind them...


They also think all other drivers are dangerous psychos, having never made the connection to their driving habits
 
2012-12-31 02:29:20 PM  
If she needed to speed a bit to get around the truck she would have been fine. A long time ago I volunteered for a local police department and got to go on ride-alongs. All of the Milwaukee-suburban police departments go by the following guidelines when pulling over speeders:

5 mph over - they will ignore you, feel free!
10mph over - they will most likely ignore you, unless it's early morning or late evening and they are bored
15mph over - this is the magic number, they will pull you over just about 100% of the time for doing this or higher

I tend to always drive 5mph over the limit and have never gotten pulled over or a ticket for doing so (I've driven past cops doing that and they just laugh and keep eating their donuts). So ya, she probably should have hopped up to 5mph over and stop being a wimp.
 
2012-12-31 02:29:33 PM  
Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.
 
2012-12-31 02:29:35 PM  
Good for the cop. Get the fark out of the way, biatch!
 
2012-12-31 02:29:46 PM  

hoots_toot_ochaye: "There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed,  thinking this was OK."

Well, I would hope one of the things they'll teach her in that defensive driving class is not to travel alongside a tractor-trailer unit for any length of time.  If one of those blows a tire while you're alongside it, you could very well be toast.  The percussion impact can be powerful enough to knock you right off the road.

I was travelling on a country road a few years back, and the vehicle in front of me was a dump truck - and it was almost a half mile ahead of me.  It blew a tire, and I could feel the percussion impact of the blast from that far back.  I can just about imagine what it would have felt like if I were significantly closer.

If you find yourself next to a large truck of some sort, the best thing to do is to either speed up and get in front of it, or slow down and get behind it.  Don't just continue to travel beside it.


She did not want to speed up and get charged for speeding. She did not want to slow down with a car 12 feet off her bumper.

Also, was the police car marked as such?
 
2012-12-31 02:30:23 PM  
One thing we may all be missing, the truck driver beside her. He sure as hell knew she was there and sure as hell could've slowed his ass down a notch to let her pass him without her speeding,,, oooor the dickhead might have even been matching her speed to trap her in front of the cop.

/don't needs education, manners, or common sense to drive truck
 
2012-12-31 02:30:54 PM  

Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.

img7.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-31 02:31:45 PM  

Buffet: Pigs are sooo gay! He was late gettin' to his boyfriend's house.


Looks like /b/ let the kids out early today for the holidays.
 
2012-12-31 02:32:31 PM  

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Put her to death. Anyone who makes a habit of driving in the left lane while not passing the car to their right deserves a slow painful death. I'm not kidding.


That would probably take care of most of the people in Ohio (and most Ohio drivers in WV)....
 
2012-12-31 02:32:55 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: Evil Mackerel: serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.

She sounds like the kind of girl that starts a fight in a bar and expects you to fight it.

Never let your womans mouth write a check that your ass is gonna have to cash.

/ obscure Steve Buscemi quote?


Should have used the opening to Way of the Gub
 
2012-12-31 02:33:00 PM  

RevMark: In Texas they just started rolling out the Slower Traffic Keep Right signs on freeways and highways.


You can't drive 10 miles on a Texas Interstate highway without seeing a "Left Lane For Passing Only" sign. And they are all on the left side. And about 10% of drivers ignore them.
 
2012-12-31 02:34:29 PM  

bhcompy: Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds ...


So, your argument is that it's "reasonable" to break the speed limit???

The Law might disagree.
 
2012-12-31 02:37:30 PM  

mbillips: SPEED UP SLOW DOWN, YOU IDIOT, IT'S SAFER!


Now it's intelligent.
 
2012-12-31 02:37:48 PM  

fredklein: She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.


Want to know how I know you're an idiot? KRETP is also a law........
 
2012-12-31 02:38:12 PM  
There is only one good reason to drive in the left lane. At night when there is nobody around you it's good to have an extra lane or two leeway in case a deer is trying to cross the road. Then if you do hit it, you can go off into the median and only risk killing yourself instead of the others on the highway.
 
2012-12-31 02:38:27 PM  

fredklein: bhcompy: Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds ...

So, your argument is that it's "reasonable" to break the speed limit???

The Law might disagree.


It's a grey area, but the laws are ambiguous for a reason. Slow traffic on a fast moving road is very dangerous.
 
2012-12-31 02:38:33 PM  

Fano: They also think all other drivers are dangerous psychos, having never made the connection to their driving habits


Like old people braking and accelerating at the same time with a blinker on for ten miles and going 15 under the speed limit on a clear day....

"Why are all those horrible young people always yelling at me!? Why can't they learn how to drive!!?"

/ I'm not the greatest driver in the world by a long shot, but at least I try to not actively piss other people off....
 
2012-12-31 02:38:59 PM  

serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.


Rarely is a Jersey girl, "a catch."  Maybe catch and release if your desperate.
 
2012-12-31 02:39:33 PM  

JeffMD: All sounds like the cop being a dick, except.. he probably wouldn't have given the car a ticket for speeding while passing. For one, even police chiefs say they generally have no business pulling you over unless you are 10 miles over the speed limit. Second, over 3 miles you could have edged passed the truck going 1-2 mph faster. She stayed in place for 3 freaking miles next to a truck.

I hate people who freeze up and suddenly become model citizens of the law at the sigh of a cop car. Just the other day I actually had to swirv into the passing lane cause an idiot droped from 75 to 65 (70sl) when passing a cop car scanning from the side.


Oh, so much this. More so for the ones who hit their brakes because they see a cop on the SIDE OF THE ROAD giving some other poor fool a ticket. Do they think the cop is going to remember they were the ones speeding and come chase them next? (That's not the same thing as slowing when passing an accident scene, btw, although looky-loos need to die also)

This chicklet needs to get her traffic ticket doubled for biatching about it.
 
2012-12-31 02:39:54 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: This text is now purple: Chicago also likes having on-ramps enter from the left and having the right lane subsequently disappear to keep the lane count constant. I can almost understand why they tend to stick left.

They do have quite a few off ramps on the left if you're traveling on certain highways, but that's no excuse for riding the left lane miles from the ramp in light traffic.


Light traffic would be "within the hours of 3am and 5am, unless night construction"?
 
2012-12-31 02:40:34 PM  

martid4: serial_crusher: This woman is 20 years old and, not only is she stupid enough to know that the left lane is for passing, but she's also letting her dad fight her battles for her?  Sounds like a catch, guys.

Rarely is a Jersey girl, "a catch."  Maybe catch and release if your desperate.


Maybe catch and release if your you're desperate.

/ftfm
 
2012-12-31 02:41:02 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: clane: and yall keep voting Democrat...

Smeggy Smurf
Rapeublicans support this too. After they legitimately rape you.


clane
ummm yea, it's not Republicans that create thousands and thousands of new laws every year and slowly take away more and more freedoms. (40,000 new laws signed in this year)
 
2012-12-31 02:41:15 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: AssAsInAssassin: If the cop was in such a hurry, why didn't he proceed when she pulled over? Sounds to me like he was trolling the highway.

That, sir, is a tautology.


It is what it is.
 
2012-12-31 02:41:26 PM  

kpaxoid: She did not want to slow down with a car 12 feet off her bumper.


It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that if you ease up on the gas pedal so you slow down gradually, and then move over to the right when you're no longer beside the truck, that you won't be in any more danger of being rear-ended than you already are in this situation.  And this process shouldn't take any farkin' three miles to accomplish.
 
2012-12-31 02:41:59 PM  
FTFA "Too few drivers, it seems, understand the meaning of road signs that encourage us to "Stay right.""

If you don't understand this, then turn your license in. There's a very good chance that you are a danger to yourself and others. Learn how to drive. Study the rules, and re-take the driver's license exam.
 
2012-12-31 02:42:26 PM  

ZeroPly: Not an emergency, officer? Then drive the speed limit like everyone else, sh*tbag.

 
2012-12-31 02:42:27 PM  

LtDarkstar: If she needed to speed a bit to get around the truck she would have been fine. A long time ago I volunteered for a local police department and got to go on ride-alongs. All of the Milwaukee-suburban police departments go by the following guidelines when pulling over speeders:

5 mph over - they will ignore you, feel free!
10mph over - they will most likely ignore you, unless it's early morning or late evening and they are bored
15mph over - this is the magic number, they will pull you over just about 100% of the time for doing this or higher

I tend to always drive 5mph over the limit and have never gotten pulled over or a ticket for doing so (I've driven past cops doing that and they just laugh and keep eating their donuts). So ya, she probably should have hopped up to 5mph over and stop being a wimp.


That's the Northeast rules. In Atlanta, anything less than 15 over is fine. 25 over is OK, depending on where you are (80 in a 55 on the downtown expressway is perfectly fine, on the rare occasions that the road is empty enough to go that fast). 95 in a 70 on the open highway is not OK, but 85 generally is fine.

If they would just implement mandatory driver's ed, and teach the kids that the left lane is called the PASSING lane, and enforce staying out of it except to pass, we'd all get there quicker, with fewer wrecks, like they do in Europe.
 
2012-12-31 02:42:43 PM  
I just love all the people here who complain that drivers should obey one law (stray right except to pass) so they can go and break another law (speed limit).

Obey one law, so you're out of the way for me to break another law!!

How about we ALL obey the speed limit? Then the 'stay right' law is irrelevant- with everyone going the speed limit, no one needs to pass! And we can use both lanes of the road.
 
2012-12-31 02:42:46 PM  

NightOwl2255: RevMark: In Texas they just started rolling out the Slower Traffic Keep Right signs on freeways and highways.

You can't drive 10 miles on a Texas Interstate highway without seeing a "Left Lane For Passing Only" sign. And they are all on the left side. And about 10% of drivers ignore them.


I've done quite a bit driving around Texas these past couple of months for the holidays and what not. I rarely see one of those signs on the left side of the road. In San Antonio you see them on the freeways... some in other cities. But on the highways I always see them on the right.

Whatever. YMMV.

TxDOT adding thousands of left lane passing signs
 
2012-12-31 02:43:45 PM  

LtDarkstar: If she needed to speed a bit to get around the truck she would have been fine. A long time ago I volunteered for a local police department and got to go on ride-alongs. All of the Milwaukee-suburban police departments go by the following guidelines when pulling over speeders:

5 mph over - they will ignore you, feel free!
10mph over - they will most likely ignore you, unless it's early morning or late evening and they are bored
15mph over - this is the magic number, they will pull you over just about 100% of the time for doing this or higher

I tend to always drive 5mph over the limit and have never gotten pulled over or a ticket for doing so (I've driven past cops doing that and they just laugh and keep eating their donuts). So ya, she probably should have hopped up to 5mph over and stop being a wimp.


Even the speed cameras seem to work that way. I think they don't snap your pick until 10 mph over.
 
2012-12-31 02:43:50 PM  
A policeman/patrolman isn't going to pull somebody over for going 1mph over the speed limit, especially in such a situation when doing so would effectively clear a roadblock.

I drive about 100 miles per day, and so am in situations similar to this often. Just increase 1 or 2 mph, then move over and clear out of the lane. Never been pulled over for it; the cop generally just wants to be on his/her way.

It's about farking time somebody started enforcing the laws that are intended to maintain a clean flow of traffic. Kudos to this guy.
 
2012-12-31 02:44:02 PM  

vudukungfu: Quantum Apostrophe: Isn't there a "make way" law?

For cops, yeah.
You don't have to like them, but GTF out of their way.
Let them go and stay off their radar.


Couldn't you plead that the truck driver was at fault for not obeying the legal responsibility of letting you pass. If you give the signals, they are legally required to do all in their ability to let you get around them. Since the truck didn't allow this, nor could she break the speed limit without committing a crime, nor slow down without causing an accident because the cop was tailgating you are pretty much screwed. The judge is going to believe the cop 99.9% of the time even if they are lying, put you in an impossible situation, or flat out cause the accident, unless you got a recording of it and hope they don't prosecute you for making illegal recordings of cops.
 
2012-12-31 02:44:06 PM  
"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

I see 2 tickets:

1. Reckless driving (driving in the trucks blind spot for 3 miles)
2. Impeding the flow of traffic (rolling road block)

I would fine her the max and suspend license for a year,
 
2012-12-31 02:44:57 PM  
Correct me if I'm wrong but drivers' manuals state that to pass another vehicle you need to "accelerate" in order to pass, so there is no breaking the speed limit when passing another vehicle. It's safety.


/does not mean you can be perpetually passing vehicles
// not even during rush hours
 
2012-12-31 02:46:10 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

got the cruise control set on 45
 
2012-12-31 02:47:02 PM  
I am not a fan of cops, but she remained in the passing lane for THREE MILES! The whole time she was driving next to a truck totally blocking traffic.

She deserved the ticket.
 
2012-12-31 02:47:43 PM  

RevMark: NightOwl2255: RevMark: In Texas they just started rolling out the Slower Traffic Keep Right signs on freeways and highways.

You can't drive 10 miles on a Texas Interstate highway without seeing a "Left Lane For Passing Only" sign. And they are all on the left side. And about 10% of drivers ignore them.

I've done quite a bit driving around Texas these past couple of months for the holidays and what not. I rarely see one of those signs on the left side of the road. In San Antonio you see them on the freeways... some in other cities. But on the highways I always see them on the right.

Whatever. YMMV.

TxDOT adding thousands of left lane passing signs


i like it the way it is. the idiots (at least in the houston area) would bolt to the left lane as soon as they entered I-45. i would just stay in the middle/right lane and pass everyone.
 
2012-12-31 02:47:50 PM  
How is this a story? I'd like to buy the cop a beer, I wish there were more cops around here pulling over farktards that stay in the passing lane while going the same speed as the other lanes.

Keep Right Except to Pass - what is so confusing about that?

If she didn't want to speed, here's an idea, take your little foot off of the accelerator and I promise your car will slow down. Then, put on your turn signal and switch lanes. It's not entrapment you farking farktards, it's farking common sense.
 
2012-12-31 02:48:22 PM  

fredklein: Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.

She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.


Reasonable people understand that the "Speed Limit" is really just a driving tax assigned by a random lottery and a job creation program for expensivly maintained agents of the State. If we really wanted to modern technology would allow for speeding tickets to be assigned the second a vehicle went over the speed limit on any State road. But then revenue would dry up and police would sit idle most of the day with unfunded pension plans.

That's why blocking passing lane laws in most States disregard the speed limit. It sucks when the cop is behind you and it creates a catch-22, but you can either creep up for the pass or put your signal on while slowly breaking, hoping the cop is paying attention and will understand you are changing lanes.

Probably shouldnt have been in that lane beforehand if you weren't intending to pass.
 
2012-12-31 02:48:22 PM  

lexnaturalis: Considering my wife just got a ticket for a rear-end collision in which the car in front of her suddenly slammed on the brakes, I'm going to say you're simply making stuff up.


I imagine the other party got a ticket as well. The cops, at least in Tennessee, don't decide who's at fault anymore in the larger jurisdictions. They ticket both drivers, and have them fight it out in traffic court.
 
2012-12-31 02:49:13 PM  
Buy a faster car. I've been stuck in the left lane before when nobody would give me some space to get over when a cop was behind me. Just downshift and blow the doors off of the crown vic.
 
2012-12-31 02:49:31 PM  
The right-hand lane is not a ghetto for defensive drivers! You fascist bastards!

/actually I don't mind staying the fark of your dumb-ass way. I prefer you in front of me where I can see what dumb-ass thing you're going to do next.
//u dumas
 
2012-12-31 02:49:38 PM  
If you can't move to the right because you're pacing the car next to you you are a retard and need to hand in your license. I have no love for corruption but this cop, in this instance, was in the right (so far as I can tell from skimming the article).
 
2012-12-31 02:51:52 PM  

hoots_toot_ochaye: Well, I would hope one of the things they'll teach her in that defensive driving class is not to travel alongside a tractor-trailer unit for any length of time. If one of those blows a tire while you're alongside it, you could very well be toast. The percussion impact can be powerful enough to knock you right off the road.

I was travelling on a country road a few years back, and the vehicle in front of me was a dump truck - and it was almost a half mile ahead of me. It blew a tire, and I could feel the percussion impact of the blast from that far back. I can just about imagine what it would have felt like if I were significantly closer.

If you find yourself next to a large truck of some sort, the best thing to do is to either speed up and get in front of it, or slow down and get behind it. Don't just continue to travel beside it.


Without a cop there, this would probably wouldn't have happened. With a cop, it's a mild Kobyashi Maru.

Slowing down to change lanes behind it means you're still blocking traffic, maybe impeding or some other offense ; speeding up to get in front means you're, well, speeding .
 
2012-12-31 02:52:14 PM  
I was driving at night on the interstate, nearly empty road.
Playing "you go first" up and down the hills with a truck, in a nice way.
Uphill I go left lane, downhill he goes past me, I go right lane again.
Over and over.
So we reach the crest of a hill and there's this maniac suddenly right behind me, tailgating like a crazy person AND with his lights of. It was 11pm or so.
I'm not into it.
I hit the gas and speed the fark up because I don't like being in dangerous situations.
The other car rides my rear so hard, the truck starts to speed up going down hill, I speed up more.
THAT'S when the trooper puts his lights on, after pushing me to 85+ mph.

I won the "not guilty" case in court, the judge admonished the tool/fool.
 
2012-12-31 02:52:23 PM  

hoots_toot_ochaye: "There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed,  thinking this was OK."

Well, I would hope one of the things they'll teach her in that defensive driving class is not to travel alongside a tractor-trailer unit for any length of time.  If one of those blows a tire while you're alongside it, you could very well be toast.  The percussion impact can be powerful enough to knock you right off the road.

I was travelling on a country road a few years back, and the vehicle in front of me was a dump truck - and it was almost a half mile ahead of me.  It blew a tire, and I could feel the percussion impact of the blast from that far back.  I can just about imagine what it would have felt like if I were significantly closer.

If you find yourself next to a large truck of some sort, the best thing to do is to either speed up and get in front of it, or slow down and get behind it.  Don't just continue to travel beside it.


That's interesting. See I do the opposite trying to stay in their RADAR shadow but have never seen (or felt) a blowout.
 
2012-12-31 02:52:27 PM  
This lady is an idiot. Stay right except to pass. What part of the law does she not understand?
 
2012-12-31 02:52:35 PM  

Rich Cream: mbillips: SPEED UP SLOW DOWN, YOU IDIOT, IT'S SAFER!

Now it's intelligent.


It's all about delta V. Go the speed of the prevailing traffic. People who try to drive 55 because that's on the sign, but everyone around the is going 65-70? THEY'RE the ones causing the danger, not everyone else.
 
2012-12-31 02:52:59 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: KimNorth: Good! I so hate these control freaks who get off on holding up traffic just because they can, move the fark over you asshat!

I don't think that's it, I think they're just cowards and idiots. I frequently see people pull from an onramp straight across the left most lane then proceed to not pass and jam up the road behind them.

I usually wait a bit then just start flashing my lights periodically. If it goes on long enough I wait until it's clear again to the right and just move over at which point they get the horn and the finger out the window.

I'm sure these idiots think they're doing nothing wrong and have no idea why people are always being so mean and nasty to them all the time time or why there's always a mile long line of pissed off people behind them...


I hate Ohio generally but got stuck for an hour withan equal # of people in the right and left somehow all going 5 under (I know not to speed / driving while Michigander but it was awful). After I finally broke through and started driving in the right passing semis on a frequent clip in the left finally getting into a good groove...two of my coworkers asked why I was driving like that. They had honestly never heard of such a thing. Granted it was the two young'uns but come ON.
 
2012-12-31 02:53:19 PM  

Trayal: A policeman/patrolman isn't going to pull somebody over for going 1mph over the speed limit, especially in such a situation when doing so would effectively clear a roadblock.

I drive about 100 miles per day, and so am in situations similar to this often. Just increase 1 or 2 mph, then move over and clear out of the lane. Never been pulled over for it; the cop generally just wants to be on his/her way.

It's about farking time somebody started enforcing the laws that are intended to maintain a clean flow of traffic. Kudos to this guy.


I had a Tennessee State Trooper tell me they don't get out of their cars for any less than 300 dollars, or a reckless driving ticket. On the other hand, Crump TN has "Officer Douchebag", who waited till I was technically out of his jurisdiction to pull me over after I had just gotten off work and decided to drive 100 miles to surprise my parents in the morning. Not only did Officer Douchebag try to get me to admit I had been drinking and then to let him search my car, he almost got his ass ran over by a logging truck because he was in Black BDUs and a tactical vest doing traffic work.
 
2012-12-31 02:53:49 PM  

kpaxoid: She did not want to speed up and get charged for speeding. She did not want to slow down with a car 12 feet off her bumper.


It's also possible that if it was bad weather she no longer felt she could speed up, because she was being tailgated. For example, if the road was wet, she may have been afraid that her car would swerve as she got past the truck. If the car behind her really was 12 feet off her bumper, there wasn't a lot that she could do.

I did have a cop car 12 feet behind me once. I found the easy way out: I pulled over. Legally, you're always in the clear pulling over when there's an emergency vehicle behind you, even if the lights aren't going. Assuming there was a median, she could have done that as well. I suspect the reality though is that fear made the car behind her look bigger. I suspect the cop car was far enough back that she could have slowed down or sped up without difficulty.
 
2012-12-31 02:56:27 PM  
Note: In most places cops don't care about 5-10 over. They don't even care about 15 over if they have somewhere more important to be, but there's no way if you can know that or not. Get in front, slow down. (This does not apply in Virginia and Ohio. Better to brake and get behind the semi in those cases. Why some states breed total farkwad state police instead of the usual occasional farkwads is anyone's guess.)

The reality is that she was just another of those idiot drivers who speeds up or slows down to match anyone who gets alongside her, because then she can completely disconnect her brain and stop thinking about anything in front of or behind her. She probably didn't even know there was a cop there. I see them every day, they're more common in rural areas but even urban ones have their fair share.
 
2012-12-31 02:57:26 PM  
The only ticket I ever got was for passing on the right. The only car in the left lane was driving slowly and I was stuck behind it. There was a break in traffic in the right lane so I went around the slow car and pulled back into the left, "fast", lane. About a mile down the road I get pulled over by a state cop. I think I am getting a speeding ticket because I usually set my cruise at 8 mph over the speed limit. The state cop starts going off his nut about me passing in the right lane and I am relieved he doesn't mention my speed one time. As I try to explain the left lane car had everybody behind him boxed in and I thought they should have pulled back over to the right lane he really goes off his rocker and starts telling me he is going to also give me a ticket for reckless driving and asks if I have been drinking. I said no but he still made do the sobriety test and a breathalyzer. I passed the sobriety test and blew a zero, I told him I wasn't drinking, that just seemed to make him madder that he couldn't arrest me. Now he wants to search the car, with my wife and kid in it and I told him no, he didn't have any probable cause. He made stand outside with my hands on the trunk of the car and don't "move one farking inch" He goes back to his car for probably 20 minutes, most likely running my license and looking for warrants or any other reason to search the car or arrest me. He finally comes out gives me one ticket for passing on the right and tells me he is going to be watching for my car in the future. After most likely over an hour I am back on my way with him tailgating me for the next 20 miles waiting for me to do something else he can pull me over for, he finally gives up and stops at one of his speed traps between the four lane.

/long story
//asshole cop
///I still don't know where he was when he saw me and pulled me over, I always keep an eye out for them
/And I still set my cruise at 8 mph over and pass on the right
 
2012-12-31 02:58:30 PM  

foxyshadis: Why some states breed total farkwad state police instead of the usual occasional farkwads is anyone's guess.)


Because in most large states, the State Police/Troopers only have their traffic court at certain areas, and it's easier for most people they pull over to pay the ticket than go to court and get it dismissed for court costs. It's also why they, by and large, pull over people with out of state tags on the Interstates a lot more.

Speeding ticket practices are one area where even someone like me, who generally defends cops, will call them out over their shenanigans.
 
2012-12-31 02:59:06 PM  

bhcompy: It's a grey area, but the laws are ambiguous for a reason.


Yeah- so the cops can arrest you no matter what you do.
 
2012-12-31 02:59:33 PM  
farm1.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-31 03:00:52 PM  

chewielouie: FTFA "Too few drivers, it seems, understand the meaning of road signs that encourage us to "Stay right.""

If you don't understand this, then turn your license in. There's a very good chance that you are a danger to yourself and others. Learn how to drive. Study the rules, and re-take the driver's license exam.


Too few drivers, it seems, understand the meaning of road signs that say "Speed Limit."

If you don't understand this, then turn your license in. There's a very good chance that you are a danger to yourself and others. Learn how to drive. Study the rules, and re-take the driver's license exam.
 
2012-12-31 03:01:44 PM  

foxyshadis: Note: In most places cops don't care about 5-10 over.


If I'm driving on a mostly empty freeway, I always set my cruise control for 9 over.  In 25 years of driving, I've never been pulled over.  Maybe I could have gotten away with going a little faster, but 9 over is a good compromise for me.
 
2012-12-31 03:02:37 PM  

Funbags: Relevant video


that was a beautiful thing.

I've found that there is no need for "brake checks" or any dangerous methods to correct this situation.  Simply get in front of the mental patient and do the exact speed they are.  They will try to move around you, or at least move over as you have taken away their motivation for derping down the fast lane in the first place, that is to have an un-obstructed lane.   Of course any reactive behavior is stupid as the driver goes back to being  an ass as soon as you leave their sight.
 
2012-12-31 03:03:46 PM  
graphics8.nytimes.com

"Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?"
 
2012-12-31 03:03:55 PM  

jigger: ZeroPly: Not an emergency, officer? Then drive the speed limit like everyone else, sh*tbag.


No farking way. If a cop is driving the speed limit, nobody will pass him, and traffic gets blocked up for miles.

A cop should drive 1-2 mph faster than traffic normally goes. Keeps traffic flowing and keeps people from getting nervous because a cop is behind them for 20 miles.
 
2012-12-31 03:04:33 PM  

foxyshadis: Note: In most places cops don't care about 5-10 over. They don't even care about 15 over if they have somewhere more important to be, but there's no way if you can know that or not. Get in front, slow down. (This does not apply in Virginia and Ohio. Better to brake and get behind the semi in those cases. Why some states breed total farkwad state police instead of the usual occasional farkwads is anyone's guess.)

The reality is that she was just another of those idiot drivers who speeds up or slows down to match anyone who gets alongside her, because then she can completely disconnect her brain and stop thinking about anything in front of or behind her. She probably didn't even know there was a cop there. I see them every day, they're more common in rural areas but even urban ones have their fair share.


German traffic engineers call them sheep drivers. They are the ones that pass you only to realize they are speeding so they change in your lane and decelerate 5-10 mph. When you pass them they realize they are being pass and start to speed up. They might feel comfortable for awhile next to somebody blocking all traffic behind them.

It probably isnt a cognitive process (most of their driving probably couldnt be called
'Cognitive' decisions). Usually when I encountered them I make sure my Waze app is fired up and blow past them at 25 mph+ over until they are well out of reach of my rearview.
 
2012-12-31 03:04:34 PM  
If a cop is targeting you then you are going to get a ticket for something. You cant avoid it, you probably cant fight it unless you have powerfull people who owe you, you are getting a ticket and will have to pay a fine. If you are lucky. Try to resist in any way and your life will be ruined and or you will possibly be killed.

You asked for this citizen.
 
2012-12-31 03:06:08 PM  

pedrop357: Slowing down to change lanes behind it means you're still blocking traffic, maybe impeding or some other offense ; speeding up to get in front means you're, well, speeding .


Oh, for crying out loud!

Certainly, speeding up and overtaking the truck, and then pulling to the right is the better option, but no decent cop is going to ticket you for signalling your intention to pull to the right, and then slowing down enough so that you can.  And if they do, then they really are a jerk of a cop.

The cop in this instance, wasn't, IMHO.
 
2012-12-31 03:06:24 PM  

Theaetetus: Eh. I'm as anti-cop as they come, but...


Why didn't she move to the middle lane?

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

It wasn't. The trooper pulled her over and issued a summons for failing to keep right. The cop wasn't interested in her fear of moving to the right. And he sure didn't want to hear complaints about his own driving.

"Too bad," he told her, noting that he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.

If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


But the semi truck driver and the cop are to blame as well.

I use the left lane to pass all of the time, within the speed limit, and on occasion the vehicle I'm passing speeds up from whatever sense of machismo the guy I'm passing speeds up to the speed limit.

If the cop pulled in tight behind her in the process, it is effectively entrapment. He blocked her one legal maneuver she had available to her.
 
2012-12-31 03:06:52 PM  

Theaetetus:

If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


At 65MPH, that is almost 3 WHOLE MINUTES of time. OMG! That is enough to listen to one Britney song or the just the guitar solo of a Rush one.

For all saying that you can brazenly drive 5 or 10MPH the speed limit, it varies to localities. Its part of the reason why I only drive Interstates and stay off the back roads. The pissant cops and sheriffs that are looking for a payday on Bumfark, OH are more likely to nabb you for doing 46 in a 45 than the a State trooper will for 5 or 10 over on the Interstate.

/CSB:

When the Atchafalaya basin bridge dropped the speed for cars to 60 they local sheriffs would patrol it pretty heavily. I was running the left lane at about 65 and was coming up on one. I thought about passing, but I slowed and pulled over behind him. The car behind me crept past him at somewhere between 60 and 63 I would guess. As soon his nose got in front of the cop, the lights came on. Its been years since I have seen a local cop on the basin bridge, it is now all troopers. I've never seen them stop anyone that was doing under 70MPH.

/CSB
 
2012-12-31 03:07:12 PM  
fark you biatch. He gave you three farking miles to move over and vacate the passing lane. You're not supposed to drive in it doing the speed limit. It's for PASSING. It's not his fault you're a crappy driver who doesn't know how to change a lane.
 
2012-12-31 03:07:16 PM  
Sounds like she's just inexperienced, but I'll bet (at least I hope) that she picked up some valuable experience from that incident. Unless the cop is seriously behind on collecting the road tax, 5 MPH over is not going to cause problems. A notable exception are small-town speed traps where tickets help pay the officer's salary.

I once passed a deputy sheriff on a country two-lane. He was going about 60 in a 65 MPH zone. I waited for a passing zone, signaled my lane changes and passed his slowpoke ass at at least 70. Not even a blink.
 
2012-12-31 03:08:17 PM  
Was the dad in the car or was she alone? I am confused by this fact. If the dad was in the car, then why didn't he tell her to pass the truck and move over? I am guessing she was alone, texting on her iphone, to be safe she was traveling slow on the left lane, a cop pulled her over because she had to text her friend rather than get over, and told the cop who her daddy was.

/just sayin
 
2012-12-31 03:12:11 PM  

mbillips: People who try to drive 55 because that's on the sign, but everyone around the is going 65-70? THEY'RE the ones causing the danger, not everyone else.



Stop agreeing with me.

/your argument is majority rule? or mob rule or what?
 
2012-12-31 03:12:23 PM  

hoots_toot_ochaye: pedrop357: Slowing down to change lanes behind it means you're still blocking traffic, maybe impeding or some other offense ; speeding up to get in front means you're, well, speeding .

Oh, for crying out loud!

Certainly, speeding up and overtaking the truck, and then pulling to the right is the better option, but no decent cop is going to ticket you for signalling your intention to pull to the right, and then slowing down enough so that you can.  And if they do, then they really are a jerk of a cop.

The cop in this instance, wasn't, IMHO.



Wasn't a jerk-off, or wasn't decent?
 
2012-12-31 03:12:45 PM  

BronyMedic: Trayal: A policeman/patrolman isn't going to pull somebody over for going 1mph over the speed limit, especially in such a situation when doing so would effectively clear a roadblock.

I drive about 100 miles per day, and so am in situations similar to this often. Just increase 1 or 2 mph, then move over and clear out of the lane. Never been pulled over for it; the cop generally just wants to be on his/her way.

It's about farking time somebody started enforcing the laws that are intended to maintain a clean flow of traffic. Kudos to this guy.

I had a Tennessee State Trooper tell me they don't get out of their cars for any less than 300 dollars, or a reckless driving ticket. On the other hand, Crump TN has "Officer Douchebag", who waited till I was technically out of his jurisdiction to pull me over after I had just gotten off work and decided to drive 100 miles to surprise my parents in the morning. Not only did Officer Douchebag try to get me to admit I had been drinking and then to let him search my car, he almost got his ass ran over by a logging truck because he was in Black BDUs and a tactical vest doing traffic work.


Karma's a mean biatch. :)
 
2012-12-31 03:13:03 PM  
Keep the left lane clear. If you're coming up on a cyclist and you need to give him some room, you don't want the left lane clogged.
 
2012-12-31 03:13:38 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "If we all followed that law," said Doug Groner of Hillsdale, "we'd have everybody squeezed into one right lane."

No farktard. Most European highways are 2 lanes and when people stay the fark right traffic flows 1000% better.


I can usually drive faster and pass easier in the right lane around here. This pisses me off to no end. Flashing lights and the horn don't seem to get the attention of the idiots who drive 3 over in the left lane and think they're doing something intelligent.
 
2012-12-31 03:13:55 PM  

Rich Cream: mbillips: People who try to drive 55 because that's on the sign, but everyone around the is going 65-70? THEY'RE the ones causing the danger, not everyone else.


Stop agreeing with me.

/your argument is majority rule? or mob rule or what?



In the case of TFA, it was the "dudes with the guns" rule.
 
2012-12-31 03:15:05 PM  
It's odd to me that some states have laws against passing on the right. It's actually quite a bit safer passing on the right because the driver of the car being passed has a much smaller blind spot on the right than the left.
 
2012-12-31 03:16:31 PM  

Theaetetus: Eh. I'm as anti-cop as they come, but...


Why didn't she move to the middle lane?

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

It wasn't. The trooper pulled her over and issued a summons for failing to keep right. The cop wasn't interested in her fear of moving to the right. And he sure didn't want to hear complaints about his own driving.

"Too bad," he told her, noting that he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.

If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.


This. She created a much more dangerous situation by pacing that truck, than if she had exceeded the speed limit briefly in order to pass it and get over into the right hand lane.
 
2012-12-31 03:17:26 PM  

eas81: shinji3i: How does a story like this come to be? Someone received a traffic violation and then informed the local mediablogged it?

/FTFY
//Also GTFO of the "fast lane" there is a reason why its called the "fast lane" you farktard!!!


Actually, there is no reason it is called the "fast lane." I've driven in about 30 of the 50 US states (and half a dozen other countries), and I've never seen a sign for a 'fast lane.' I've seen signs for slow lanes (for slow trucks going uphill) but I've never seen a fast lane.

It's called the "passing lane," and I don't give a fark how "fast" you are going. If you aren't passing, GTFO of the passing lane.

This might be the first time I've made a pro-cop post on Fark, but the fuzz in this case was 100% correct.

And yes, in NJ this isn't just a good idea, it's the law. And WTF? Even if you don't think of the left lane as the passing lane, how much sense does it take to let a cop go around you? Does she know not to wipe back to front? Does she know not to eat gum she finds on the ground?

The story says she was on her way home from college. Holy shiat! She better be able to throw a ball or dribble or something, cause her academic abilities aren't going to get her very far.

Hey sugar tits. Get. The fark. Out. Of. The. Passing. Lane.
 
2012-12-31 03:19:29 PM  

meanmutton: It's odd to me that some states have laws against passing on the right. It's actually quite a bit safer passing on the right because the driver of the car being passed has a much smaller blind spot on the right than the left.


farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-31 03:20:25 PM  
Nothing gets the young dudes all bent out of shape like guns and cars.
 
2012-12-31 03:20:31 PM  
fredfredklein: bhcompy: Impeding the flow of traffic laws exist in many states, and they're generally not tied to the speed limit, rather reasonable speeds ...

So, your argument is that it's "reasonable" to break the speed limit???

The Law might disagree.


Ever heard of the basic rule?

How about you quit driving aggressively to enforce other people following the law, and let cops handle it?

/passive aggressive is still very much aggressive, someone may eventually decide to be karma for you so be careful...
 
2012-12-31 03:23:53 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: foxyshadis: Note: In most places cops don't care about 5-10 over.

If I'm driving on a mostly empty freeway, I always set my cruise control for 9 over.  In 25 years of driving, I've never been pulled over.  Maybe I could have gotten away with going a little faster, but 9 over is a good compromise for me.


Was pulled over in Arizona going 2 mph over on the freeway. Thought I had cruise control set on 1+ and I saw the cop on the side of the road and didn't think I needed to slow down. They gave me a warning...but still.

/some how kept from laughing
 
2012-12-31 03:25:23 PM  

L_Yes: Keep Right Except to Pass - what is so confusing about that?


Speed Limit - what is so confusing about that?
 
2012-12-31 03:25:45 PM  

ChuDogg: I make sure my Waze app is fired up


Waze, also a beautiful thing :)
 
2012-12-31 03:26:59 PM  
Sounds kinda like the "pace setters" we have in town. They purposely drive 2 mph under and then call the cops with your make, model and license plate if you get within 10 feet of their bumper or god forbid pass them. Farking minivan driving soccer moms and Buick driving old broads.
 
2012-12-31 03:28:32 PM  

Thorny: Was pulled over in Arizona going 2 mph over on the freeway. Thought I had cruise control set on 1+ and I saw the cop on the side of the road and didn't think I needed to slow down. They gave me a warning...but still.

/some how kept from laughing


I probably would have got a ticket after asking "are you farking kidding me?"
 
2012-12-31 03:30:16 PM  
Glad she got a ticket, left lane is for passing.
 
2012-12-31 03:31:09 PM  

Fade2black: Trolltastic tag, since the Cop should be a hero. It's called impeding traffic. If you're so afraid of a ticket when a cop is tailgating you, you MOVE THE fark OVER. Not all of us are passive aggressive douchebags in Prius's that choose to contribute to the road rage cases in this country. It is against the law to be in the left lane and not passing someone.


Could you please come to Oahu and tell everyone (except me) that? Because these people are beyond stupid. Throw in a touch of a fascist mindset under the guise of "driving with aloha," and you've got prime passive-aggressive driving conditions. farkers.
 
2012-12-31 03:32:44 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: jigger: ZeroPly: Not an emergency, officer? Then drive the speed limit like everyone else, sh*tbag.

No farking way. If a cop is driving the speed limit, nobody will pass him, and traffic gets blocked up for miles.

A cop should drive 1-2 mph faster than traffic normally goes. Keeps traffic flowing and keeps people from getting nervous because a cop is behind them for 20 miles.


This is completely missing the point. Americans have been indoctrinated into a system where going the speed limit entails driving slower than everyone else. The circle of idiocy is completed by traffic planners - they realize that everyone drives about 10mph over the speed limit, so on a stretch of road where it's perfectly safe to go 65mph, they set the speed limit at 55mph.

The speed limit is the maximum safe speed. As soon as you go 1mph over it, you're automatically allowing probable cause and a Terry stop. The only way I can drive on the highway while preserving my 4th amendment rights is by driving the speed limit.

If you think the speed limit is too slow, then campaign to change the speed limit. Otherwise you're perpetuating a system where you can be stopped for going 1mph over the limit (has happened numerous times), and can also be stopped for going the speed limit (impeding traffic). Bottom line - the police can stop any vehicle at any time, which is their wet dream.
 
2012-12-31 03:32:49 PM  
Around here it's the cops who come flying up on you in the right hand land, toss on their brights, and ride your ass while they randomly check your plates because it's past their bedtime and therefore you're a suspected drunk driver.

I honestly fear cop drivers more than drunk drivers, because the cops will literally blind me with their brights.
 
2012-12-31 03:33:08 PM  
She should have just apologized, like this guy... I'm sure that wold have made everything better.
 
2012-12-31 03:33:59 PM  

Rootus: How about you quit driving aggressively to enforce other people following the law, and let cops handle it?


Translation: Get out of my way so I can break the law!

Gee, sorry- next time shall I make it easier for you to break the laws against burglary? Maybe leave my door wide open? Would that be okay?

It's not my job to make your breaking the law easier.
 
2012-12-31 03:34:15 PM  

Paka Ono: HERO


Came to say this...trolltastic headline indeed.

This cop is a farking hero. Wish there was virtual cops available, I'd install a dash cam immediately and they could look at all the asshats who block the left (passing) lane on my commute to and from work. The road I drive is 3 lanes (up to 4) both ways, yet I can never pass anyone because of the left lane hogs going the same speed as the other 2 lanes.
GTFO of the way already...
 
2012-12-31 03:35:13 PM  
FTFA: NJSA 39:4-89 says drivers "shall not follow another vehicle more closely than is reasonable and prudent," which road safety experts define as one car length for every 10 mph of speed - about six lengths between cars going 60 mph.

Count seconds, not car lengths. It's easier.

Police in New Jersey issue about 16 tickets daily for this offense - 21 weekly in Bergen and Passaic counties combined.

i86.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 03:36:02 PM  
How to handle it, if it hasn't already been covered, unless the LEO was "lit up" I would immediately turn on my right turn signal and slow down to move over behind the semi.

I've done it.

Worked very nicely as I was passing a semi on I-5 at the speed limit. I stay in the right lane unless I'm passing a slower vehicle.

I flipped off the oinker as he passed me, and only then did he get behind me and light me up.

He didn't scratch me a ticket either. I told him to choose his words carefully, he was being recorded and then proceeded to lecture him about safe following distances.

He got in his patrol car and left.
 
2012-12-31 03:37:00 PM  
I-75 on the north side of Atlanta has 10 northbound lanes at one point. If you are driving through (ie going to Chattanooga), you need to be in one of the 3 left lanes as the rest of them eventually become exit lanes or I-575.

How does 'keep right except to pass' supposed to work in that situation?

There was also a scandal about 10 years ago where police officers out of their jurisdiction would be driving 90-100+ on I-75 around Hampton going to some law enforcement training school. You'd be tootling along going 80 in a 65 and some cop would come up and ride your butt. Then you'd get over and it would be a Cherokee County (or whomever) sheriff's car.
 
2012-12-31 03:39:14 PM  
The circle of idiocy is completed by traffic planners - they realize that everyone drives about 10mph over the speed limit, so on a stretch of road where it's perfectly safe to go 65mph, they set the speed limit at 55mph.

Now you just made that up. Stop that.
 
2012-12-31 03:41:01 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Karma's a mean biatch. :)


My mom runs the only place that's open at night in my home town, so she knows all the local cops since it's the only place they can go to get something during the night shift. Even the local guys think this guy is an idiot. He pretends to be a SWAT cop, running around doing traffic enforcement, in a department with four people, all decked out in tactical gear, and uses an unmarked car with more hide aways than a big city cop has.
 
2012-12-31 03:41:26 PM  
I was driving through Arizona and had a cop tailgate me. I was in the right lane, doing the speed limit, and obviously couldn't go anywhere. It was rush hour. What did I do? I paid the damn ticket, and cursed the cop's name occasionally for a few years straight. Neither did any good, but the cursing made me feel better about it.
 
2012-12-31 03:44:04 PM  

peasandcarrots: I love any thread that sets the "all police officers abuse their authority" crowd against the "I hate slow drivers" crowd. I plan on showing this article to my roommate to watch his head explode.


Sounds like you're describing me (I don't hate all cops, I just think they're being used incorrectly and are above the law). But I clearly think this cop is a hero...
 
2012-12-31 03:44:20 PM  

fredklein: Translation: Get out of my way so I can break the law!


Your argument has a rather serious flaw. Most states have keep right laws. You're basically saying that conforming to one law means it is okay to break another law.
 
2012-12-31 03:44:26 PM  

fredklein: Rootus: How about you quit driving aggressively to enforce other people following the law, and let cops handle it?

Translation: Get out of my way so I can break the law!

Gee, sorry- next time shall I make it easier for you to break the laws against burglary? Maybe leave my door wide open? Would that be okay?

It's not my job to make your breaking the law easier.


It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic. Just because you disagree with the application of the law doesn't mean you don't need to obey it.
 
2012-12-31 03:51:45 PM  

fredklein: Theaetetus: If true, she essentially set up a rolling roadblock with the truck for 3 miles.

She didn't "block" anyone who was obeying the law and going the speed limit. She only "blocked" people trying to BREAK THE LAW.

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Not her job to enforce the law. Not by impeding traffic, and not by kicking in the doors of meth houses either. It's not a valid excuse.
 
2012-12-31 03:52:50 PM  
Get the fark out of the left lane.
 
2012-12-31 03:53:58 PM  

BronyMedic: Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?


got a citation for that? i got rear-ended a couple of months ago and the girl who hit me got a ticket for following too close. i got nothing.
 
2012-12-31 03:54:33 PM  
This sign is in Michigan; we have similar signs in Washington state. On our highways truck speeds are generally lower that car speeds.

media.mlive.com
On another point, how did she get next to the truck, and get stuck there for three miles, if they were both traveling the speed limit? Either the truck sped up to get alongside her (presumably she was in right lane then) or she sped up, got alongside the truck and then failed to complete her pass.

The car and truck did not magically end up next to each other.
 
2012-12-31 03:55:43 PM  

Popcorn Johnny: Come to Chicago, people ride the left lane here more than anywhere I've been.  People will sit in the left lane when there isn't another car within a mile of them.


There is never half a mile between cars here. Rockford, Joliet or Kankakee(sp) sure.
 
2012-12-31 03:58:38 PM  

Curious: got a citation for that? i got rear-ended a couple of months ago and the girl who hit me got a ticket for following too close. i got nothing.


Taken directly from the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines. They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.
 
2012-12-31 04:01:34 PM  

Curious: BronyMedic: Grats bro. You just bought the county a new police cruiser by causing an accident which you are 100% at fault for. (Thanks to Ambulance Chasing, the laws regarding rear-end collisions have now changed to either shared responsibility, or the lead car being responsible for doing just that) You do know those things have cameras, right?

got a citation for that? i got rear-ended a couple of months ago and the girl who hit me got a ticket for following too close. i got nothing.


He's referring to that for insurance and litigation purposes you only need to be 10% at fault. Which has produced some hilarious results like drunk drivers suing their victims.

Somebody slamming on their brakes for a squirrel might be surprised to see their insurance rates go up.
 
2012-12-31 04:01:56 PM  
Jesus...what is that 20 yr old driver going to do when faced with a real crisis in life?
 
2012-12-31 04:02:16 PM  

Trayal: fredklein: Translation: Get out of my way so I can break the law!

Your argument has a rather serious flaw. Most states have keep right laws. You're basically saying that conforming to one law means it is okay to break another law.


As I said before, if everyone followed the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant- if everyone is going the speed limit, no one is passing.

On the other hand, if everyone followed the 'keep right except to pass' law, then you end up with speed demons flying by at 80mph, causing accidents.
 
2012-12-31 04:03:09 PM  

RufusLake: Jesus...what is that 20 yr old driver going to do when faced with a real crisis in life?


Carry a gun everywhere they go?

/flamewar on!
 
2012-12-31 04:03:18 PM  

bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.


And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.
 
2012-12-31 04:04:29 PM  

KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Not her job to enforce the law.


It's also not her job to break the law (speed to pass the truck) in order to allow someone else to break the law.
 
2012-12-31 04:06:33 PM  

poisonpill: Probably a non story. You mean to tell me there was no way to get out of the left lane for three miles? Pfft. Cops aren't going to bust your balls for 10-15 mph over to clear the left lane. Besides, if you're going 65 on the NJ turnpike or similar highway, every car is passing you regardless if there's a trooper around.


Actually, I've been in a situation where there was no legal and safe way out of the left lane for more than 3 miles.

I had an ass right on my bumper, had I tried to slow down he probably would have hit me. I was doing 65 (the limit), the right lane was full of a *LONG* line of trucks doing about 55 that I was overtaking, there wasn't space in between to move into.

filter: Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!


Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.


I always thought it meant you weren't supposed to move over to the right in order to go around a vehicle. I have never interpreted it to mean that if you're held to the speed of the vehicle to your left. I am not a cop, though.

Smeggy Smurf: There is only one good reason to drive in the left lane. At night when there is nobody around you it's good to have an extra lane or two leeway in case a deer is trying to cross the road. Then if you do hit it, you can go off into the median and only risk killing yourself instead of the others on the highway.


Actually, I've found one other good reason at times--I've been on pieces of road where the right lane was beat to pieces and the left was nearly pristine. If there was nobody around I would stay in the left lane in that area but I would move right if someone came along.

Gyrfalcon: Oh, so much this. More so for the ones who hit their brakes because they see a cop on the SIDE OF THE ROAD giving some other poor fool a ticket. Do they think the cop is going to remember they were the ones speeding and come chase them next? (That's not the same thing as slowing when passing an accident scene, btw, although looky-loos need to die also)


Sometimes the cop on the side of the road isn't alone.
 
2012-12-31 04:06:47 PM  

fredklein: And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


Many states have laws specifically exempting any emergency vehicle from traveling the speed limit when not on a call, however the liability is squarely placed on the vehicle operator. While a few have changed it due to that being massively abused and resulting in needless death, some still have them on the books.

fredklein: t's also not her job to break the law (speed to pass the truck) in order to allow someone else to break the law.


I find it hard to believe that if she is momentarily exceeding the speed limit to allow an emergency vehicle to pass, or to maintain a safe flow of traffic that someone's going to write her a ticket over it.
 
2012-12-31 04:06:55 PM  

fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


I didn't realize that it was your job to interpret the law. I'm pretty sure that's the judge's job, and they tend to agree with the assertion that impeding traffic is about road safety, not speed limits(which are not about road safety)
 
2012-12-31 04:09:17 PM  

Amos Quito: In the case of TFA, it was the "dudes with the guns" rule.



Ah yes. The might make right rule. Ageless.
/HNY
 
2012-12-31 04:09:32 PM  
Is this an east coast thing?

Driving in LA, SF, California and Arizona I've never seen "keep to the right" enforced in any manner.

I've also seen cops sitting in the left lane at the speed limit, and I've seen cops herding a bunch of cars by sitting in the middle lane and allowing cars and scared drivers to build up behind them (I usually set the cruise control for +2 mph and sneak past them in the fast lane).

And yes, I hate it when drivers and trucks "fly in formation" for miles at a time, but I've never seen anyone teach drivers not to fly in farking formation.

Anyway, I don't see why she is to blame any more than the truck next to her. And if the cop was tailgating her, I'd say yes the cop is at fault and if he wants to her to move over, he should signal her the way they do out here by flashing his headlamps, or his lights and drag her over like the one cop did in the video posted way above.

Also, what the hell is a European Highway, and what does it have to do with keep right laws in New Jersey?
 
2012-12-31 04:12:55 PM  

BronyMedic: Taken directly from the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines. They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.


From your cite:
B. TRAFFIC TICKETS

Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close

C. When an officer investigating a vehicle crash cannot establish reasonable and probable grounds to substantiate a charge, only a report will be made.


That's pretty clear. If the cop finds that the crash is the result of following too close, he writes a ticket. Does not say anything about issuing tickets to both drivers. Unless that's elsewhere in the doc.
 
2012-12-31 04:15:58 PM  

NightOwl2255: That's pretty clear. If the cop finds that the crash is the result of following too close, he writes a ticket. Does not say anything about issuing tickets to both drivers. Unless that's elsewhere in the doc.


And I'm telling you as a resident of the city they don't bother investigating crap, they write both parties citations to traffic court and let them fight out responsibility there.
 
2012-12-31 04:17:33 PM  

fredklein: KiTTeNs_on_AciD: Not her job to enforce the law.

It's also not her job to break the law (speed to pass the truck) in order to allow someone else to break the law.


Oh, now I get it. You are in NYC and have no idea what driving is like in the rest of the world. Try to think of this as someone stopping to tie their shoes in the middle of a doorway to a subway car, or the middle of a stair case. Or tourists blocking an entire sidewalk to take pictures. It's a dick-move that negatively impacts others and trying to spin it as vigilantism doesn't excuse it.

Do the rest of us a huge favor and stay in the city, and never drive. Or conversely, move to Detroit and drive exactly how you think is OK and the problem will work itself out.
 
2012-12-31 04:19:49 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "If we all followed that law," said Doug Groner of Hillsdale, "we'd have everybody squeezed into one right lane."

No farktard. Most European highways are 2 lanes and when people stay the fark right traffic flows 1000% better.


In Texas we don't have "keep right" rules. Well I might have seen signs once.

The thing is, if you don't fully utilize both lanes, then the capacity of the ENTIRE road suffers. And people changing lanes all the time for no reason is just dangerous. One car in the right lane is doing 60, you're doing 65, you pull left and pass that one car. Well if there's another car 1000ft ahead also doing 60, well, don't change right only to change left again, unless you see someone coming up behind you trying to do 70.

But the speed of the left should always be faster than the speed of the right, UNLESS the road is "full" anyways. Once the road fills up and both lanes are doing 60, for the love of God DON'T pack the right lane and leave the left open. It'll only make things go much slower and start up troublesome stop-and-start oscillations that bring traffic to a halt. It doesn't matter if you WANT to do 70, we all want to go faster but the road doesn't have the capacity. No one NEEDS to pass anyone, except for emergency vehicles (and in Texas we have a hard shoulder or breakdown lane for that sort of emergency).

Passing doesn't make congested traffic go faster. It kills the flow, for the most part. If you have a bunch of onramps adding cars on the right and slowing traffic in that lane, sure, but that's passing a moving obstruction. I would tend to stay in the left lane for as long as the problem with the right lane persists.
 
2012-12-31 04:20:14 PM  

fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


And if they do, you're still breaking the law. You got some nice logic there.

So if your doctor smokes, you can't get lung cancer?
 
2012-12-31 04:20:59 PM  

Funbags: Relevant video


ROF
/LMAO
 
2012-12-31 04:21:29 PM  

BronyMedic: And I'm telling you as a resident of the city they don't bother investigating crap, they write both parties citations to traffic court and let them fight out responsibility there.


Then why bother with a cite that directly contradicts your claim? That's an interesting debating style.

Brony: The earth is flat!
Anyone else: I don't think it is.
Brony: Yes it is, here's proof!
Anyone else: Um, your proof proves it's not flat.
Brony: Don't believe that crap, take my word for it.
 
2012-12-31 04:23:04 PM  

NightOwl2255: Then why bother with a cite that directly contradicts your claim? That's an interesting debating style.


How does it contradict my claims?

Quoted: "Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include"

You do realize that the wording of that is rather important right? I'm telling you what happens in actual practice at any rate. MPD is too damn busy to let people fight it out on scene. They issue both parties citations, and tell them if they want to fight out responsibility to do it in traffic court.
 
2012-12-31 04:23:39 PM  
Goddamnit, Drew. Your new FARK system sucks. I can't even format shiat right.
 
2012-12-31 04:24:40 PM  

hoots_toot_ochaye: "There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed,  thinking this was OK."

Well, I would hope one of the things they'll teach her in that defensive driving class is not to travel alongside a tractor-trailer unit for any length of time.  If one of those blows a tire while you're alongside it, you could very well be toast.  The percussion impact can be powerful enough to knock you right off the road.

I was travelling on a country road a few years back, and the vehicle in front of me was a dump truck - and it was almost a half mile ahead of me.  It blew a tire, and I could feel the percussion impact of the blast from that far back.  I can just about imagine what it would have felt like if I were significantly closer.

If you find yourself next to a large truck of some sort, the best thing to do is to either speed up and get in front of it, or slow down and get behind it.  Don't just continue to travel beside it.


I wonder if there are many public schools that even offer driver's ed courses nowadays. They were very common when I attended high school (graduated in 1970), but there were no high schools in my area that offered courses when my son was in high school (graduated in 1997). If you wanted to learn to drive you had to either find a friend or family member willing to teach you or pay to attend a driving school.
 
2012-12-31 04:26:58 PM  
I saw the headline and thought "she was in the left-lane."

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

The truck just magically appeared, I guess.
 
2012-12-31 04:28:20 PM  

BronyMedic: "Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include"


So from that you conclude that:

They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.

Which is does not in any way say or imply. Okay then.
 
2012-12-31 04:29:25 PM  

BronyMedic: Goddamnit, Drew. Your new FARK system sucks. I can't even format shiat right.


I wish we could have a thread that discusses this. In some ways, it's very nice, in other ways, it blows. I've gone back to the old system, but the new system could be made to work better.
 
2012-12-31 04:30:18 PM  

RoyBatty: I wish we could have a thread that discusses this. In some ways, it's very nice, in other ways, it blows. I've gone back to the old system, but the new system could be made to work better.


You'll get over it?
 
2012-12-31 04:30:50 PM  

JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit.


The law isn't phrased that way. You aren't the speed limit enforcer.

NJSA 39:4-82 says drivers must stay right except to pass.

It's not about "letting faster drivers by" - it's about not being in the left lane unless you're passing someone.

If you aren't passing someone, you don't belong in the left lane.
 
2012-12-31 04:32:31 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: I saw the headline and thought "she was in the left-lane."

"There was a tractor-trailer truck right next to her, and she didn't know what to do," dad explained. "Instead of ... passing the truck ... and risking a speeding ticket or [signaling] and slowing down ... to move behind the truck ... she maintained her speed, thinking this was OK."

The truck just magically appeared, I guess.


If you were in the cop's position and wanted to pass her, but didn't have a shotgun, ticket pad, and lightbar, what would you have done to signal her to move out of the way? (And would that have included tailgating her?)
 
2012-12-31 04:34:34 PM  

t3knomanser: Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.


Bravo! Have a free month of TF on me.
 
2012-12-31 04:35:19 PM  

fredklein: Trayal: fredklein: Translation: Get out of my way so I can break the law!

Your argument has a rather serious flaw. Most states have keep right laws. You're basically saying that conforming to one law means it is okay to break another law.

As I said before, if everyone followed the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant- if everyone is going the speed limit, no one is passing.

On the other hand, if everyone followed the 'keep right except to pass' law, then you end up with speed demons flying by at 80mph, causing accidents.


No, because their path would be clear - they'd be passing everybody safely.

Besides, a lot of highway speed limits are 70 - is 10mph faster really "flying by?"
 
2012-12-31 04:35:31 PM  

fredklein: As I said before, if everyone followed the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant- if everyone is going the speed limit, no one is passing.


Irrelevant. You can conjure up "if" statements all day, but reality is not obliged to conform itself to your desires. In the real world, everybody doesn't drive exactly the same speed - hence the need to allow for the faster to pass the slower. And since everybody doesn't yield to faster moving traffic on their own, there are 'keep right' laws. Allowing those going faster to pass those going slower, regardless of speed limit, is demonstrably safer than letting the left lane vigilantes jam everything up.

fredklein: On the other hand, if everyone followed the 'keep right except to pass' law, then you end up with speed demons flying by at 80mph, causing accidents.


We already have speed demons flying by at 80mph - they just have to do more lane weaving when slow folks don't yield the left lane. In many cases they'll accelerate to an even higher rate of speed if they think there is a chance to get in front of said slower drivers. Both the lane weaving and additional acceleration make accidents more likely and more deadly than they otherwise would be.
 
2012-12-31 04:37:58 PM  
I love how people justify breaking the keep-right law by saying they're keeping other people from breaking the law.

WE SALUTE YOU, PALADINS OF THE HIGHWAY!
 
2012-12-31 04:38:19 PM  

RoyBatty: Is this an east coast thing?

Driving in LA, SF, California and Arizona I've never seen "keep to the right" enforced in any manner.

I've also seen cops sitting in the left lane at the speed limit, and I've seen cops herding a bunch of cars by sitting in the middle lane and allowing cars and scared drivers to build up behind them (I usually set the cruise control for +2 mph and sneak past them in the fast lane).

And yes, I hate it when drivers and trucks "fly in formation" for miles at a time, but I've never seen anyone teach drivers not to fly in farking formation.

Anyway, I don't see why she is to blame any more than the truck next to her. And if the cop was tailgating her, I'd say yes the cop is at fault and if he wants to her to move over, he should signal her the way they do out here by flashing his headlamps, or his lights and drag her over like the one cop did in the video posted way above.

Also, what the hell is a European Highway, and what does it have to do with keep right laws in New Jersey?


I took Driver's Ed in Texas in the 80's and don't recall such a rule. There are a few "Slower Traffic Keep Right" signs, but I don't recall ever seeing a "Left Lane For Passing Only" sign in Texas (although TxDOT says they do exist).

In Texas we have partially just gotten rid of the idea of speed limits. I mean most highways are 70 mph. A few are 80 mph and some of the Tollways literally PAID the DOT to get a farking 85 mph limit. The contract actually stated they'd pay X millions more to the state if the state DOT would issue an 85 mph limit. Limits are supposed to be a safety-driven decision and paying for a limit is just outright bribery above-the-table.

We all remember the dark days when the 55 mph limit was ignored as everyone did 60, 65, 70, 75, whatever. As long as you're speeding, might as well speed a LOT. Then there's the person trying to be lawful (or transporting a shiatload of weed) at 57 mph and you nearly rear-end them.

But with 70 mph limits, well, few people really feel the need to be going more than 75 mph. Traffic is far more stable now, by my observation. That shiat where you've got a guy in front of you doing 5 mph under you, you want to change lanes but see there's someone behind you on the right doing 5 mph over you and you've be cutting him off if you changed now, that doesn't happen NEARLY as often.
 
2012-12-31 04:42:06 PM  

Oznog: But with 70 mph limits, well, few people really feel the need to be going more than 75 mph. Traffic is far more stable now, by my observation. That shiat where you've got a guy in front of you doing 5 mph under you, you want to change lanes but see there's someone behind you on the right doing 5 mph over you and you've be cutting him off if you changed now, that doesn't happen NEARLY as often.


That's similar to my experience in Arizona where the maximum posted limit is 75 (good luck when you find one though), but when you do find that, there aren't nearly as many people finding they need to exceed that dramatically compared to the 55 and 65 sections.
 
2012-12-31 04:44:43 PM  
he gave her "three miles" to find a way to yield.


Her own damn fault then.
 
2012-12-31 04:48:21 PM  

RoyBatty: Oznog: But with 70 mph limits, well, few people really feel the need to be going more than 75 mph. Traffic is far more stable now, by my observation. That shiat where you've got a guy in front of you doing 5 mph under you, you want to change lanes but see there's someone behind you on the right doing 5 mph over you and you've be cutting him off if you changed now, that doesn't happen NEARLY as often.

That's similar to my experience in Arizona where the maximum posted limit is 75 (good luck when you find one though), but when you do find that, there aren't nearly as many people finding they need to exceed that dramatically compared to the 55 and 65 sections.


It's not just the need to go faster than posted, it's the risky spread of speed distributions. Safety is fine when you've got everybody doing 70 mph in a 55. But the spread of 55, 60, 65, 75, 80 mph all over the place is just unnecessarily dangerous.
 
2012-12-31 04:48:29 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: sammyk: t3knomanser: Sitting next to a truck for three minutes sounds like a really stupid idea. Then again, I'm the sort of person that will sit in the left lane, trailing behind the truck until it is completely clear for me to pass the truck. Then I accelerate so that I can pass the entire length of the truck in one action.

But that's just me. I just got my license a month ago, so I obviously know nothing.

Bravo! Have a free month of TF on me.

since you are feeling in a giving mood....

/jk


It was a nice gesture and the guy he gave it to is clearly a very intelligent and well deserving creature...but giving someone TF isn't a nice thing to do. We're already unproductive enough with normal fark.

Who pays money to read free news stories, talk about shiat online anyways?
 
2012-12-31 04:52:03 PM  

RoyBatty: Is this an east coast thing?

Driving in LA, SF, California and Arizona I've never seen "keep to the right" enforced in any manner.

Also, what the hell is a European Highway, and what does it have to do with keep right laws in New Jersey?


The US Interstate system was based on the German Autobahn. The keep right when not passing and no passing on the right is part of the Autobahn's legacy. It is law in most or all states, however not evenly enforced. Signs are almost never put up to remind drivers. I for one do wish enforcement was more consistent, along with allowing the driver 5 or 10 miles faster for the pass.

Quick story: I was in line at a Michigan Adventures' ride earlier this year when the lady started laughing that she always ride the left lane going 5 below the speed limit. She joked "F... them they'll go around". This big gal was reduced to tears when we reached the ride and couldn't fit her behind in the car. She was pissed that her skinny husband chose to ride without her. Good for him, he got to ride after her always getting the last pork chop.
 
2012-12-31 04:52:14 PM  

Funbags: Relevant video


thanks
 
2012-12-31 04:54:55 PM  

NightOwl2255: So from that you conclude that:

They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.

Which is does not in any way say or imply. Okay then.


No., I conclude that what they do in actual practice is not prohibited by their guidelines. You seem to, on the other hand, have a magical inability to believe A) What a resident of the city says happens in that city and B) What the policies and procedures of that city don't preclude from happening. Your incredulity doesn't make it not happen.

Considering you live in Oklahoma City, and are arguing what happens in the city I live in doesn't actually happen, it's a laughable incredulity.
 
2012-12-31 05:02:27 PM  

BronyMedic: Considering you live in Oklahoma City, and are arguing what happens in the city I live in doesn't actually happen, it's a laughable incredulity.


Wow, you are a touchy little man, aren't you? I'm not arguing, you are. You made a claim, and then provided a cite for said claim. I pointed out, quite correctly, that your cite does not back up your claim, and in fact contradicts your claim. I neither know, nor care, what happens in your city. But, your claim is ridiculous, as is your "proof".
 
2012-12-31 05:05:51 PM  

NightOwl2255: But, your claim is ridiculous, as is your "proof".


>Big City Department doesn't want to fight out who's responsible in one of the most litigious cities in the United States.
>Big City Department doesn't have time to do so.
>Big City Department issues both parties citations with a court date to fight it out there.

NightOwl2255: I pointed out, quite correctly, that your cite does not back up your claim, and in fact contradicts your claim. that I have no idea how the wording of a policy can affect it's application in the field.


Fixed that for you. I didn't want you to seem silly otherwise.
 
2012-12-31 05:14:05 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: The two of you should get a room.


Naw, I'm not his type, I'm not a cop. He's fark's biggest badge-licker.
 
2012-12-31 05:15:54 PM  

ZeroPly: and can also be stopped for going the speed limit (impeding traffic).


If you stay out of the way you're never going to get ticketed for going the speed limit. Just because you're following one law doesn't mean you can't be breaking another.
 
2012-12-31 05:16:12 PM  
JFC! Just get over! She is going to get shot. The officer is doing her a favor by teaching her to move the fark over.
 
2012-12-31 05:17:11 PM  

BronyMedic: Fixed that for you. I didn't want you to seem silly otherwise.


Gotta hand it to you, even when proven wrong beyond any doubt, you don't give up the good fight. Funny thing is, you proved the proof. Which is, are you ready for it, silly.
 
2012-12-31 05:17:42 PM  

NightOwl2255: Naw, I'm not his type, I'm not a cop. He's fark's biggest badge-licker.


Which is a polite way of saying "I really have no clue what i'm talking about, I'm just posting to troll."
 
2012-12-31 05:18:46 PM  
"When I'm in the left lane passing slower vehicles, tailgaters get right up on me," said Harrington Park's Al Algeria. "What have your readers done?"

Al Algeria...that's almost as bad as Amanda Huggenkiss.
 
2012-12-31 05:20:33 PM  

NightOwl2255: Gotta hand it to you, even when proven wrong beyond any doubt, you don't give up the good fight. Funny thing is, you proved the proof. Which is, are you ready for it, silly.


I'm sorry. How did I prove what I said was wrong, again?

You're more than welcome to contact the Memphis Police Department to verify this happens. But what I cited to you didn't even come close to disproving that statement. Can you find something else to troll on?
 
2012-12-31 05:22:17 PM  

NightOwl2255: Gotta hand it to you, even when proven wrong beyond any doubt, you don't give up the good fight. Funny thing is, you proved the proof. Which is, are you ready for it, silly.


Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:

17.Other moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident


Assign a court date

Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


18.Other non-moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident


Assign a court date

  Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.
 
2012-12-31 05:25:01 PM  

JonnyG: The horrible thing is that this is actually a tactic trained to and used by police everywhere. I agree that slow drivers should move over and let faster drivers by, but only up to the speed limit. Police are trained to try and push you over the speed limit, make you nervously weave, etc.


Happened to me. At night on a foggy highway a vehicle tore up and parked itself directly off my driver's side quarter panel, not budging for ten miles. When I punched the gas to avoid a merging semi, on came the flashing lights. My radar detector caught the attention of Mr. Public Servant and risking an accident was a small price for reeling in such a dangerous offender as a speeder on an empty road.
 
2012-12-31 05:27:17 PM  
Gonna need a picture of the perp and her ta-tas to determine my level of outrage.
 
2012-12-31 05:30:23 PM  
I'm disappointed at seeing do many commenters make the same mistake as the driver. It's a pioritization problem. The clear flow of traffic > the speed limit. She understood both independently but when tested to choose which was situationally more important she went all deer in the headlights.

Treating speed limits like holy commandments while ignoring the context of the drivers around you is like putting full faith in the crosswalk sign. They'll say you were in the right at your funeral.
 
2012-12-31 05:31:31 PM  

evilmousse: They'll say you were in the right at your funeral.


And your family got a hell of a payday!

CHA CHING!

www.finalcall.com
 
2012-12-31 05:32:30 PM  

BronyMedic: I'm sorry. How did I prove what I said was wrong, again?


Here, in case you forgot:

BronyMedic: Taken directly from the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines. They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.


You clearly imply that as a matter of policy (you cite the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines after all) in rear-end collisions that both drivers are cited. Now, please find in your cited document where it says in they will ticket both drivers and let them fight it out in court. Hint: don't bother, it doesn't. When I pointed out this glaring error on your part, you then say, "it doesn't matter what the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines say, I'm telling you what they do." Again, since you are a bit on tilt, I'm not saying what they do, or don't do, what I am say, correctly, is that your cite does not back up your claim. And yes, we know, anyone that says anything you don't like is a troll. How nice. Since you obviously checked my profile (I love it when your type does that, looking for ammunition) you should know I don't really care about being called a troll.
 
2012-12-31 05:34:34 PM  
as someone who was riding a motorcycle yesterday and had a cop pacing me, i am getting a kick out of this...
/brand new ninja 300
//why yes, it is my first bike and i am loving it...
///no ticket, no did not ride conservatively, yes gtfo from the cops path of travel as soon as the light turned green and could move out quickly...
 
2012-12-31 05:35:56 PM  

BronyMedic: Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:


Getting desperate I see. Still, in no way proves your claim. Doesn't even address your claim. My old pappy told me, boy, when you find you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging. You might want to put down the shovel.
 
2012-12-31 05:36:34 PM  

NightOwl2255: You clearly imply that as a matter of policy (you cite the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines after all) in rear-end collisions that both drivers are cited. Now, please find in your cited document where it says in they will ticket both drivers and let them fight it out in court. Hint: don't bother, it doesn't. When I pointed out this glaring error on your part, you then say, "it doesn't matter what the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines say, I'm telling you what they do." Again, since you are a bit on tilt, I'm not saying what they do, or don't do, what I am say, correctly, is that your cite does not back up your claim. And yes, we know, anyone that says anything you don't like is a troll. How nice. Since you obviously checked my profile (I love it when your type does that, looking for ammunition) you should know I don't really care about being called a troll.


Actually, I pointed out how you were wrong about the wording of the document precluding them from doing so, and that as a matter of actual practice they do. And I call you a troll because it seems the only time you post in a thread is to argue with me about something as of late.

Also, since you ignored the last part of that document, I'll state it again. It's an understandable mistake:

BronyMedic: 17.Other moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


18.Other non-moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

  Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


On both Accident with Injury and Non-Injury accidents that happen on public property, both parties in the City of Memphis get a court date to hash out who was responsible. It is NOT determined by the arriving officer because they inevitably turn into lawsuits in that city.

Before you claim an intellectual checkmate based on a source I used, it might help to read the entire document to avoid mistakes and embarrassment in the future.

So, I'll accept your unspoken apology about trolling.
 
2012-12-31 05:38:13 PM  

NightOwl2255: BronyMedic: Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:

Getting desperate I see. Still, in no way proves your claim. Doesn't even address your claim. My old pappy told me, boy, when you find you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging. You might want to put down the shovel.


I just quoted to you the direct policy of the Memphis Police to give those involved a court date. The fact that you keep moving that goalpost is quite disheartening. You might want to keep it out of the road, be a pity if you got ran over.
 
2012-12-31 05:48:50 PM  
Tailgaters are the stupidest, most retarded idiots on the road. Except the drunks. Drunks are worse.

*slams on breaks*
 
2012-12-31 05:52:52 PM  

BronyMedic: On both Accident with Injury and Non-Injury accidents that happen on public property, both parties in the City of Memphis get a court date to hash out who was responsible. It is NOT determined by the arriving officer because they inevitably turn into lawsuits in that city.


You do know that your cite, the one in the post, does not say what you are saying it says, right? Keep trying, you will still be wrong, you know you're wrong, but keep trying.

Here, since you seem to want to forget, is what you claimed:

They ticket both drivers, and let them fight it out in traffic court on the citation date unless the accident happened on private property, in which case they will only make a report if someone demands it.

Not that they may do so, but that they do and as proof you linked to the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines. Not only do the guidelines not back your claim, this directly contradicts your claim: (from your cite)
Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close

An office may "deduced from physical evidence at a scene" who's at fault in a rear-end crash and issue a ticket. Which, once again, contradicts your claim. You are, simply wrong. You can call me a troll, you can copy and paste till your fingers fall off, and you will still be wrong. But, really, it's kinda fun watching you flail about.
 
2012-12-31 05:55:42 PM  
charge the cop with reckless endangerment, he followed to close and there are laws against it.

At the same time, biatch get the fark out the way
 
2012-12-31 05:56:03 PM  
This should happen more often. Huge PIA up here in Seattle.
 
2012-12-31 06:03:52 PM  
I drive a lot. I've never been reluctant to slow down and drop behind a car if I need to. Especially for those big boys who speed up from 55 to 70+ when they see a woman passing them on the left.
The easiest way to get a cop off your tail is to set the cruise control to the speed limit and then move to the right. Use the cruise control decelerate buttons to go 2-3 miles slower than the limit. I've never had a cop stay on my tail for longer than a mile.

Some things always bugged me though:
Isn't it uncomfortable to pace the car next to you? I don't know how people stand it.

How do you pass a truck that's going 10 or 15 mph slower than you on a two lane road when they swerve into both lanes at any slight curve? I've been stuck behind trucks for miles waiting for a leg of straight road to pass.
 
2012-12-31 06:05:56 PM  

Fade2black: Trolltastic tag, since the Cop should be a hero. It's called impeding traffic. If you're so afraid of a ticket when a cop is tailgating you, you MOVE THE fark OVER. Not all of us are passive aggressive douchebags in Prius's that choose to contribute to the road rage cases in this country. It is against the law to be in the left lane and not passing someone.


Being from the Midwest, I never understood the Prius-hate I encountered on the internet. I thought it was just a gas-guzzler's stereotype or a regurgitation of that whole south park 'smug' meme... But then I moved to Las Vegas 5 months ago; Holy hell, they're everywhere, they all have California plates, and you can't throw a rock without hitting one that's actively engaged in impeding traffic. My theory is they think that EVERY left lane is an HOV lane. And what is with the whole waiting 5 seconds after a light turns green before releasing the brake? How does that save gas? I'm absolutely bewildered by their apartment hostility towards normal traffic flow.

/drives an economy car
 
2012-12-31 06:18:24 PM  
*apparent

/phones suck as computers
 
2012-12-31 06:27:28 PM  

BronyMedic: I find it hard to believe that if she is momentarily exceeding the speed limit to allow an emergency vehicle to pass, or to maintain a safe flow of traffic that someone's going to write her a ticket over it.


Just look up this thread, for gnus sake.

vinnydoz007 2012-12-31 01:58:36 PM
In this case, the woman may have been in the wrong. But ive experienced a similar incident. And i didnt want to speed either with the cop on my ass, and there was a line of cars in the middle lane blocking me. I finally decided to speed up to get around them, and was immediatly pulled over. I explained to the cop exactly what happened, and he didnt disagree. He was just trying to meet his quota, so he wrote me 3 BS tickets which i fought and didnt pay a dime. But even the cop admitted, he could easily give me a speeding ticket, and id have no reason to argue. It is messed up when they pull this shiat. But i mean, its just part of driving. When these guys have to make quotas, they kinda have to do this shiat sometimes.
 
2012-12-31 06:29:56 PM  

NightOwl2255: You do know that your cite, the one in the post, does not say what you are saying it says, right? Keep trying, you will still be wrong, you know you're wrong, but keep trying.


BronyMedic: Also, you might want to scroll down to the bottom of that document:

17.Other moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


18.Other non-moving traffic violations:


Officers Action

Resident

Assign a court date

  Non-Resident

Assign a court date

Non-Residents: The officer maintains discretion to make an arrest when the identity of the violator is in question, or the violator refuses to sign the ticket, or the violator poses a threat to the safety of the community.  However, officers must obtain a Lieutenant's approval before making an arrest.


Keep ignoring what I post. It seems to be your modus in these threads.
 
2012-12-31 06:34:51 PM  
Farked if you speed up to pas the truck, farked if you slow down to get behind the truck, and farked if you do nothing. The COP deserves a beating.

Bro In law has received both the speeding up and not moving ticket from the same stretch of highway within 30 days. He brought both tickets to court and they dismissed them.
 
2012-12-31 06:35:39 PM  

LtDarkstar: If she needed to speed a bit to get around the truck she would have been fine. A long time ago I volunteered for a local police department and got to go on ride-alongs. All of the Milwaukee-suburban police departments go by the following guidelines when pulling over speeders:

5 mph over - they will ignore you, feel free!
10mph over - they will most likely ignore you, unless it's early morning or late evening and they are bored
15mph over - this is the magic number, they will pull you over just about 100% of the time for doing this or higher

I tend to always drive 5mph over the limit and have never gotten pulled over or a ticket for doing so (I've driven past cops doing that and they just laugh and keep eating their donuts). So ya, she probably should have hopped up to 5mph over and stop being a wimp.


May not apply with Wisconsin State Patrol.

Got behind a trooper going 2 under. Would never pass a Wisconsin trooper. Apparently not alone in that sentiment, every vehicle would pull up in the left lane, see the trooper and drop back into line. One brave soul passed the line going 1-2 mph faster. As soon as he cleared the trooper, the trooper swung into the left lane and hit the lights.

/Have been passed by county cops going faster than my 5 over.
 
2012-12-31 06:36:14 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: fredklein:
On the other hand, if everyone followed the 'keep right except to pass' law, then you end up with speed demons flying by at 80mph, causing accidents.

No, because their path would be clear - they'd be passing everybody safely.


No, because what happens when an idiot going 80 comes up on an idiot going 70? Both are speeding, yet one is faster than the other. Do they collide, or does the one going 80 suddenly drop back into the right lane (which is going 55, maybe 65)??

Besides- speed differential is the leading cause of accidents, and responsible for increased damage in accidents. A car going 55 that has a blowout (or hits debris, etc) has a better chance of stopping without an accident than a car going 80. A car going 55 that leaves its lane and side-swipes another car going 55 will cause less damage than a car going 80 that hits a car going 55. So, everyone is safest when everyone goes the same speed. Speeding increases the chance of an accident, and increases how bad it will be when it happens.
 
2012-12-31 06:38:09 PM  

Trayal: In the real world, everybody doesn't drive exactly the same speed - ...there are 'keep right' laws.


So, it's perfectly fine that people don't obey one law, because we have another law that (if people obey it) lets them??
 
2012-12-31 06:38:28 PM  

A General Disdain For All Of Humanity: One brave soul passed the line going 1-2 mph faster. As soon as he cleared the trooper, the trooper swung into the left lane and hit the lights.

/Have been passed by county cops going faster than my 5 over.


I'd like to see what that ticket stated. Going the speed limit but faster than me?
 
2012-12-31 06:47:04 PM  

BronyMedic: Keep ignoring what I post. It seems to be your modus in these threads.


Keep posting info that in no way addresses, let alone proves, your claim.

It's very simple, you claimed that in a rear in collision, the police issue both drivers a ticket. As "proof" you linked to the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines, which I actually bothered to read. There was nothing in the guidelines to back up your claim, and in fact, contradicted your claim. You now, in a desperate attempt to avoid admitting you made a mistake, have resorted to citing parts of the guidelines that not only do not prove your claim, but doesn't even address your claim.

Thank you for the chance to post this again:
Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close


Which directly contradicts your claim.
Now, you could just move on and let it go. Or you could admit you made a mistake. Or you could continue to try and defend the indefensible.

I wonder which it will be.
 
2012-12-31 06:54:42 PM  

NightOwl2255: BronyMedic: Keep ignoring what I post. It seems to be your modus in these threads.

Keep posting info that in no way addresses, let alone proves, your claim.

It's very simple, you claimed that in a rear in collision, the police issue both drivers a ticket. As "proof" you linked to the Memphis Police Department P&P Guidelines, which I actually bothered to read. There was nothing in the guidelines to back up your claim, and in fact, contradicted your claim. You now, in a desperate attempt to avoid admitting you made a mistake, have resorted to citing parts of the guidelines that not only do not prove your claim, but doesn't even address your claim.

Thank you for the chance to post this again:
Officers may issue traffic tickets at the crash scene based upon personal investigation without regard to personal injury or property damage. Common examples of vehicle crash cause factors that can be deduced from physical evidence at a scene include:

1. Following Too Close

Which directly contradicts your claim.
Now, you could just move on and let it go. Or you could admit you made a mistake. Or you could continue to try and defend the indefensible.

I wonder which it will be.


-sigh-

And once again, you ignore reality, and the wording of text, to try to prove a point. In reality they: Issue a court date (I.e. Citation) to all involved. All that quoted context says is that they MAY issue a ticket, and the situations which might lead them to do so. (Something I never argued they didn't. By the way.)  They do not assign fault.A traffic court judge does so.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-31 07:01:38 PM  

TwowheelinTim: How to handle it, if it hasn't already been covered, unless the LEO was "lit up" I would immediately turn on my right turn signal and slow down to move over behind the semi.

I've done it.

Worked very nicely as I was passing a semi on I-5 at the speed limit. I stay in the right lane unless I'm passing a slower vehicle.

I flipped off the oinker as he passed me, and only then did he get behind me and light me up.

He didn't scratch me a ticket either. I told him to choose his words carefully, he was being recorded and then proceeded to lecture him about safe following distances.

He got in his patrol car and left.


ROFL. Good one.
 
2012-12-31 07:06:45 PM  

fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.


If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic, and, like it or not, you'll probably be pulled over for it. You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go out in your car, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.
 
2012-12-31 07:09:57 PM  
to the "if everyone does the speed limit" idiots:

speedometers are not perfect.. and they are based on tire diameter which changes as the tire wears
Lets say yours reads 3% fast, and mine reads 3% slow

so, 60 x .97 = 58.2
and 60 x 1.03 = 61.8
61.8-58.2 = 3.6
that's a 3.6 MPH difference and we're both going "60"
 
2012-12-31 07:14:20 PM  

BronyMedic: And once again, you ignore reality, and the wording of text, to try to prove a point. In reality they: Issue a court date (I.e. Citation) to all involved. All that quoted context says is that they MAY issue a ticket, and the situations which might lead them to do so. (Something I never argued they didn't. By the way.) They do not assign fault.A traffic court judge does so.


Yep, you picked the one we knew you would.

Once again, you claimed that in the case of a rear-end collision, the cops issues tickets to both drivers. You didn't qualify the statement, you didn't say "sometimes" or they "may". You stated as a fact and even linked to guidelines as if the guidelines would prove your claim. They didn't. You have yet to produce anything that even remotely backs-up that claim. Using your cite, I have shown that according to the guideline there is nothing that would prove such a claim and in fact, following too closely is one of the numerated instances when the cop may, based on the physical evidence, issue traffic tickets at the crash scene. Now, it would kind of silly to think that based on the physical evidence of following too closely they would issue tickets to both drivers. And I see that with this gem, "They do not assign fault", you have gone completely off the range. I mean, you're not even in the same area code of the range.
Care to try again? Hint: when you start with the pics, you're waving the white flag.
 
2012-12-31 07:15:43 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I wonder if there are many public schools that even offer driver's ed courses nowadays. They were very common when I attended high school (graduated in 1970), but there were no high schools in my area that offered courses when my son was in high school (graduated in 1997). If you wanted to learn to drive you had to either find a friend or family member willing to teach you or pay to attend a driving school.


FWIW my HS offered a driving course when I graduated 7 years ago. It was expensive(over $500 USD), but most people I went to school with found it worth(their parents) money.

/waited till I was 18, paid $75 total to get my license
 
2012-12-31 07:16:02 PM  

NightOwl2255: Once again, you claimed that in the case of a rear-end collision, the cops issues tickets to both drivers. You didn't qualify the statement, you didn't say "sometimes" or they "may". You stated as a fact and even linked to guidelines as if the guidelines would prove your claim. They didn't. You have yet to produce anything that even remotely backs-up that claim. Using your cite, I have shown that according to the guideline there is nothing that would prove such a claim and in fact, following too closely is one of the numerated instances when the cop may, based on the physical evidence, issue traffic tickets at the crash scene. Now, it would kind of silly to think that based on the physical evidence of following too closely they would issue tickets to both drivers. And I see that with this gem, "They do not assign fault", you have gone completely off the range. I mean, you're not even in the same area code of the range.
Care to try again? Hint: when you start with the pics, you're waving the white flag.


"You're right." Clearly nothing I say will convince you otherwise. So I'm exiting the conversation. If you want to take that as "proving me wrong", then more power to you.
 
2012-12-31 07:23:09 PM  

BronyMedic: "You're right." Clearly nothing I say will convince you otherwise. So I'm exiting the conversation. If you want to take that as "proving me wrong", then more power to you.


No worries, I won't take it as proven you wrong. I will take the fact that I proved you wrong as proving you wrong.

Good luck out there.
 
2012-12-31 07:24:11 PM  

NightOwl2255: No worries, I won't take it as proven you wrong. I will take the fact that I proved you wrong as proving you wrong.

Good luck out there.


Whatever floats your boat. It's nice to know that someone from Oklahoma City is so sure he knows what goes on three states away, though. I'm in awe of your psychic powers.
 
2012-12-31 07:27:29 PM  

Rye_: If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic


Only if 'traffic' is speeding. Which is illegal.

Do I need to post the "Stop breaking the law, a**hole" pic again?
 
2012-12-31 07:30:16 PM  

fredklein: Rye_: If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic

Only if 'traffic' is speeding. Which is illegal.

Do I need to post the "Stop breaking the law, a**hole" pic again?


And again, it doesn't matter. Flow of traffic and speed limits are two different concepts as far as application of the law is concerned. This is why many freeways also have posted speed minimums.
 
2012-12-31 07:33:50 PM  

fredklein: Rye_: If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic

Only if 'traffic' is speeding. Which is illegal.

Do I need to post the "Stop breaking the law, a**hole" pic again?


see my earlier post.

The_Original_Roxtar: to the "if everyone does the speed limit" idiots:

speedometers are not perfect.. and they are based on tire diameter which changes as the tire wears
Lets say yours reads 3% fast, and mine reads 3% slow

so, 60 x .97 = 58.2
and 60 x 1.03 = 61.8
61.8-58.2 = 3.6
that's a 3.6 MPH difference and we're both going "60"

 
2012-12-31 07:36:12 PM  

fredklein: Rye_: If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic

Only if 'traffic' is speeding. Which is illegal.

Do I need to post the "Stop breaking the law, a**hole" pic again?


Why even drive in the left lane, then? Everyone in the right lane is doing exactly what you want and expect them to. O...ohhhhh...you're enforcing.

Wait...let me find my "Stop driving like a stubborn coont" pic.
 
2012-12-31 07:36:45 PM  

NightOwl2255: BronyMedic: "You're right." Clearly nothing I say will convince you otherwise. So I'm exiting the conversation. If you want to take that as "proving me wrong", then more power to you.

No worries, I won't take it as proven you wrong. I will take the fact that I proved you wrong as proving you wrong.

Good luck out there.


Wow.
You must be a blast at parties.
 
2012-12-31 07:37:30 PM  

BronyMedic: Whatever floats your boat. It's nice to know that someone from Oklahoma City is so sure he knows what goes on three states away, though. I'm in awe of your psychic powers.


Never said I did, in fact I said I didn't. What I did say, correctly, was that your claim was not backed up by your cite. Your claim, not mine. Your cite, not mine. Let's keep our eye on the ball, shall we?

You can try and move the goal post (is this were I post a cute picture?) or walk back your statement, but it will not change the fact that you made a statement and cannot prove it's true.
 
2012-12-31 07:38:39 PM  

Spirit Hammer: You must be a blast at parties.


I'm a nasty little troll, I don't get invited to parties.
 
2012-12-31 07:44:41 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: I've logged 250,000+ miles driving on NJ highways in the past 12 years going to and from work.

The cops on the interstates/Turnpike/GSP will give you a LOT of leeway with the rules, unless you're driving while black.

Three miles is more than enough time to get over. The cop isn't going to give you a ticket for going 75 in a 65 to get out of his/her way.


I'm going to agree with you there, driving about 50,000 miles a year, mostly on the Garden State Parkway and AC Expressway.  The Parkway has been under construction/expansion for at least two years now, with 45mph signs all over, and I've never seen a construction-zone speed trap.  It'd be shooting fish in a barrel if they did, and quite the revenue builder.  But everyone goes the usual 65-75 in those zones as long as two lanes are open, and I've never seen anyone pulled over unless they desperately deserve it by driving dangerously.
 
2012-12-31 07:46:15 PM  
Point: cop gave her 3 miles to move over, that's plenty of time.

Counter points:
1) 20 y/o drivers, possibly more so for women, can be intimidated by an 18 wheeler less than 8 ft from their side door.
2) Jersey cops will break your balls like a Jewish mother-in-law, could easily see one of those guys "forcing" a ticket for speeding (which, in NJ, comes with a doubled fine in a 65 mph zone).

Judgement: cop was a douche, should have given her a warning.
 
2012-12-31 08:12:30 PM  
Do they even teach the "move to the right" rule in driver's ed? Do they ask this question on your license test? I would say this is an educational system fail more than anything.
 
2012-12-31 08:28:50 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: "If we all followed that law," said Doug Groner of Hillsdale, "we'd have everybody squeezed into one right lane."

No farktard. Most European highways are 2 lanes and when people stay the fark right traffic flows 1000% better.


They don't tolerate left-lane rangers at all in many European countries. One stupid US Expat housewife I met nearly lost her license in Germany. A combination of tailgating (they have, or had, white lines to measure "safe" car distances) and being a left-lane ranger.

I also agree traffic can flow better there. A big problem on the highways here with construction is the idiot that flies up the highway for 2 miles knowing the lane is ending, only to try and force themselves into the "proper" lane at the last moment. This makes everyone hit their brakes because of the inconsiderate moron, and often halts traffic.
 
2012-12-31 08:34:49 PM  
If you're in the left lane, you're in the wrong lane.
 
2012-12-31 08:40:39 PM  

enry: If you're in the left lane, you're in the wrong lane.


"If being in the left is wrong, I don't want to be right."
 
2012-12-31 08:44:58 PM  
Where I live, trucks are limited to 55mph. If this is the case in NJ, cop gave the wrong person a ticket and the girl could have a case
 
2012-12-31 08:57:20 PM  
I like how self-disciplined Oklahoma is in terms of keeping right except when passing, or in heavy traffic, slower traffic hanging farther right. This, despite the fact the OTA pulls shiat like put the toll plaza cash lanes on the wrong side, where the passing lane suddenly becomes a cash only lane and sends 75 MPH traffic to a bypass ramp on the right, while what was the passing lane drops to 65, 55, then 45 quickly and hits a toll plaza that only takes cash. And ODOT pulling shiat like this on the freeway. Ever face a yield sign where you're stuck dumping into 65 (in theory) traffic from the passing lane? Or how about have to take a 35 MPH exit from the passing lane? Someone wasn't thinking...
 
2012-12-31 08:57:36 PM  

Watubi: Where I live, trucks are limited to 55mph. If this is the case in NJ, cop gave the wrong person a ticket and the girl could have a case


Not so in NJ on that road.
 
BBH
2012-12-31 09:08:42 PM  
If she would have gone over the speed limit, she would have been ticketed for speeding. Most of these types of laws allow for a driver to stay in the left most lane if traffic prohibits it, as was the case here.

Also in Chicago area, someone may be doing 75 in the left lane, speed limit 55 or 45 only, and you are passing. Not to mention the left hand merging on the Dan Ryan Expressway.
 
2012-12-31 09:40:31 PM  

Earguy: Watubi: Where I live, trucks are limited to 55mph. If this is the case in NJ, cop gave the wrong person a ticket and the girl could have a case

Not so in NJ on that road.


Still sounds like a co-moron situation.
 
2012-12-31 10:09:11 PM  

BBH: If she would have gone over the speed limit, she would have been ticketed for speeding. Most of these types of laws allow for a driver to stay in the left most lane if traffic prohibits it, as was the case here.

Also in Chicago area, someone may be doing 75 in the left lane, speed limit 55 or 45 only, and you are passing. Not to mention the left hand merging on the Dan Ryan Expressway.


The deal with this cop most likely is he wanted to fly and she held him up. Most cops will let you speed enough to make the pass and get over as this cop was hoping she would do so he could continue traveling 90mph. That is the case in the interstates around here, although very different on regular roads. Flint cops like to drive below the speed limit and see who passes. They won't pull you for passing them as long as you don't pass them too fast. They just like punking people.
 
2012-12-31 10:13:48 PM  
Well, I for one am getting tired of the majority of traffic sitting in the left lane. Sometimes pass 7-8 vehicles on the right at my indicated 3+ speed.  I must be invisible coming up the right lane, but worst case is one idiot pulls over and blocks both lanes. This is pretty close to actual speed according to the GPS. I constantly encounter all of the traffic in sight in the left lane.
Minnesota freeways. Constant supply of campers running 2-3 miles under speed limit and treating the right lane like they paid no taxes to use it.
And so often find 3 lanes filled side by side as a rolling roadblock for miles.

I gotta go with 2-3 miles doorhandle to doorhandle as blocking, or too braindead to drive.
 
2012-12-31 10:56:13 PM  
Drove 400 mostly highway miles for the holidays. Didn't see as much stupidity as I expected to (or I've learned to ignore it better), but I always see at least one example of people who don't know how to pass a semi.

FYI: In order to pass a truck, you have to go FASTER than the truck.

Dipshiats.
 
2012-12-31 11:06:13 PM  

hoots_toot_ochaye: kp


Then charge the truck driver for not yielding the right of way so she could pull over in front of the truck.
 
2012-12-31 11:28:25 PM  

NightOwl2255: BronyMedic: Whatever floats your boat. It's nice to know that someone from Oklahoma City is so sure he knows what goes on three states away, though. I'm in awe of your psychic powers.

Never said I did, in fact I said I didn't. What I did say, correctly, was that your claim was not backed up by your cite. Your claim, not mine. Your cite, not mine. Let's keep our eye on the ball, shall we?

You can try and move the goal post (is this were I post a cute picture?) or walk back your statement, but it will not change the fact that you made a statement and cannot prove it's true.


I don't doubt that "cite both drivers" happens for some accidents here; Tennessee is a shared-fault state. But I've been involved in three following-too-closely accidents in the city of Memphis:
- in 1998, the following driver (me) was issued a ticket; I don't know what happened with the followed driver, as I didn't think to ask if the cop had done something as monumentally stupid as ticket the other driver for failing to avoid my poor driving.
- in 2005/2006, the following driver was issued a ticket. The followed driver (me) was given a "courtesy summons" with a court date on it, in order to know when to show up and testify if the following driver chose to fight it.
- in 2012, the followed driver (me) had to raise a stink to get a report issued at all; no citations were issued, despite visible property damage.
 
2012-12-31 11:33:32 PM  
Another stupid farkin cop speeding to get to the donut shop or hurrying to get in on a police brutality call who was forced to do the speed limit for a whole three minutes.

/FTP
//This is one of the many reasons people hate cops so much
///Farking asshat
 
2013-01-01 12:13:11 AM  

A General Disdain For All Of Humanity: LtDarkstar: If she needed to speed a bit to get around the truck she would have been fine. A long time ago I volunteered for a local police department and got to go on ride-alongs. All of the Milwaukee-suburban police departments go by the following guidelines when pulling over speeders:

5 mph over - they will ignore you, feel free!
10mph over - they will most likely ignore you, unless it's early morning or late evening and they are bored
15mph over - this is the magic number, they will pull you over just about 100% of the time for doing this or higher

I tend to always drive 5mph over the limit and have never gotten pulled over or a ticket for doing so (I've driven past cops doing that and they just laugh and keep eating their donuts). So ya, she probably should have hopped up to 5mph over and stop being a wimp.

May not apply with Wisconsin State Patrol.

Got behind a trooper going 2 under. Would never pass a Wisconsin trooper. Apparently not alone in that sentiment, every vehicle would pull up in the left lane, see the trooper and drop back into line. One brave soul passed the line going 1-2 mph faster. As soon as he cleared the trooper, the trooper swung into the left lane and hit the lights.

/Have been passed by county cops going faster than my 5 over.


That's one group you DO have to watch, WI state troupers all seem to have sticks up their arses. I was pulled over because a state patrol cop had someone pulled over in a bus lane (it was a very wide bus lane and he had lots of room) and I slowed down to way below the limit, even went to the edge of my lane to give the guy room (I couldn't change lanes because I had someone that was too close to my car to change lanes), but of course that wasn't good enough for that guy, he pulled me over and yelled at me for not changing lanes. I told him that there was a car in the other lane and he "claims" that I had enough room to move over, bullshiat he was at the side of the road tending to someone else, how would HE know if I had enough room or not as he was not driving my car. Watch them buggers.
 
2013-01-01 12:43:37 AM  

SnarfVader: Bad driver thread!

/Makes popcorn


asshole cop thread.
 
2013-01-01 01:23:49 AM  
Finally!

A story of a cop doing something useful.
 
2013-01-01 01:31:35 AM  

mscleo: Finally!

A story of a cop doing something useful.


Not quite. More like a cop being a co-moron to someone else's stupidity. Trying to coerce someone to drive faster than the legal maximum would make him a co-moron.
 
2013-01-01 01:33:49 AM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Drove 400 mostly highway miles for the holidays. Didn't see as much stupidity as I expected to (or I've learned to ignore it better), but I always see at least one example of people who don't know how to pass a semi.

FYI: In order to pass a truck, you have to go FASTER than the truck.

Dipshiats.


Well, I say this as a professional driver...the most obnoxious habit of some of my fellow "professionals" is to speed up to the speed limit with another vehicle next to them. I try to let the vehicle next to me when I enter the road pass before hitting the limit, but it bugs the fark out of me when others who work the road don't afford the same courtesy to me, since it forces me to drop back and fall behind when I was initially intending to pass.
 
2013-01-01 01:34:57 AM  

kpaxoid: hoots_toot_ochaye: kp

Then charge the truck driver for not yielding the right of way so she could pull over in front of the truck.


It's not the truck driver's responsibility to yield to passing vehicles when there's a dedicated passing lane (ie, white line) in the same direction. Courtesy, sure, but good luck getting anybody to extend that...
 
2013-01-01 01:45:02 AM  

LtDarkstar: I was pulled over because a state patrol cop had someone pulled over in a bus lane (it was a very wide bus lane and he had lots of room) and I slowed down to way below the limit, even went to the edge of my lane to give the guy room (I couldn't change lanes because I had someone that was too close to my car to change lanes), but of course that wasn't good enough for that guy, he pulled me over and yelled at me for not changing lanes.


Probably because most states, Wisconsin included based on Google search, requires you to vacate the lane if there's more than one lane each way. The nearest lane to an emergency vehicle is closed to all traffic. This isn't new, it's been around for a few years now; had you actually read a recent driver's manual and your state's vehicle code like you're supposed to do on a regular basis, you would already know this.

So, basic rule is: If there's more than one lane in your direction, and one has an emergency vehicle stopped with it's red lights lit, the lane adjacent is closed, period. If there's only one lane, take the speed limit, subtract 20.
 
2013-01-01 02:41:05 AM  
Don't dis the sigh
if you can't pay the fine

first you got catch
the midnight rider

figure it'll be pennies by the violation

civil violations are

ILLEGAL!!!
 
2013-01-01 02:46:23 AM  

Baloo Uriza: kpaxoid: hoots_toot_ochaye: kp

Then charge the truck driver for not yielding the right of way so she could pull over in front of the truck.

It's not the truck driver's responsibility to yield to passing vehicles when there's a dedicated passing lane (ie, white line) in the same direction. Courtesy, sure, but good luck getting anybody to extend that...


Although, if he was going slow, and then sped up when he saw that he was getting passed, he is the one that created the block. Factor in the cop tailgating her, and it's a fail all around, she could win fighting the ticket.

I see that a LOT, whether it's a trucker or not. Some people just cannot stand getting passed even if they're going under the limit. And cops following too close, almost instigating a fark up so they can write a ticket.

Keep in mind I'm not some cop hater, I stick up for them a lot in threads on fark, but in this case, if he was following that close, he's the dick. Traffic and beat cops are some of the most habitual offenders of common decency.

If not, if the cop gave her room to slow and pull behind the truck, then she deserved the ticket.
 
2013-01-01 03:11:06 AM  

Trayal: A policeman/patrolman isn't going to pull somebody over for going 1mph over the speed limit, especially in such a situation when doing so would effectively clear a roadblock.

I drive about 100 miles per day, and so am in situations similar to this often. Just increase 1 or 2 mph, then move over and clear out of the lane. Never been pulled over for it; the cop generally just wants to be on his/her way.

It's about farking time somebody started enforcing the laws that are intended to maintain a clean flow of traffic. Kudos to this guy.


I don't know. My mom got her only traffic ticket ever for going 26 in a 25 speed limit area. It wasn't a school or construction zone, just a residential street. No kids out playing. Cop must have been having a bad day.
 
2013-01-01 03:37:35 AM  

filter: Is it really illegal ton pass on the right?!


Think rush hour stop and go traffic before you call me an idiot.


It's a common misconception. Virtually ever state's laws say the same thing about passing on the right: "it is legal, as long as it is safe." (I'd looked it up once before and found that in my state, NY, passing on right is legal; just looked it up again, and Oregon was the first I ran into, which was legal as well. I assume the in article's NJ it is, though perhaps the NJ Turnpike has extra laws about it? Who knows.)

It's not recommended though, mostly out of... tradition? The left lane is for passing, simply because that's the standard and what people expect.

Yes, cops, this is what happens when you make people afraid of you. They panic too much at sight of you to speed a few miles an hour over (cause they think you'll nail them for it) to pass a truck, and stupid shiat happens (which you nail them for anyway). You, police, are supposed to be on our side. But ya farked it up. Yay!
 
2013-01-01 03:42:56 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Although, if he was going slow, and then sped up when he saw that he was getting passed, he is the one that created the block. Factor in the cop tailgating her, and it's a fail all around, she could win fighting the ticket.

I see that a LOT, whether it's a trucker or not. Some people just cannot stand getting passed even if they're going under the limit. And cops following too close, almost instigating a fark up so they can write a ticket.

Keep in mind I'm not some cop hater, I stick up for them a lot in threads on fark, but in this case, if he was following that close, he's the dick. Traffic and beat cops are some of the most habitual offenders of common decency.

If not, if the cop gave her room to slow and pull behind the truck, then she deserved the ticket.


Oh, no question. I've never pushed the issue, I mean, I drive commercial D these days, so I'm a four-wheelie myself, but even in situations where a commercial C 6-wheelie or higher 18-wheelie runs a yield, I'll move over for 'em even though they're supposed to stop for through traffic. And if I get trapped next to 'em, I'll be the one to drop down to 65 and fall back to merge behind the bigger vehicle. Oklahoma Highway Patrol has been very professional in either allowing appropriate following distance to let me pass at n-1 MPH where n=maximum legal speed. Being a pro driver and a former locomotive operator, I go one-under so if I go downhill, I hit the limit instead of having to apply the brakes or go over on the downhills just out of force of habit. Can usually make the fall back and merge behind in under 2 miles when I realize it and the bigger vehicle doesn't give me the courtesy of completing a pass, though if OHP flashes the blue lights, I'll use the brakes and get it done in 2500 feet or so, that they can fly by. But absent an official signal on the cop's part and some effort on the gal's part, it really sounds like both were being dicks deliberately...
 
2013-01-01 04:03:07 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Oh, no question. I've never pushed the issue


I hadn't seen anyone else bring it up and was wondering why. To try to pass and have someone speed up is VERY common.

Of course, this being fark, some people bicker just to bicker I think, actual discussion is avoided sometimes, at all cost.

IMO, it'd be nice to have a +5 to speed limit for passing(and only for smaller vehicles passing large ones) law on the books. Driving behind a semi sucks balls, visibility gets dropped, can't read road signs, etc. And the sheer size of them makes them a hazard in and among themselves, +/- personal anxiety of driving next to such gigantic things.

I say allow people to blow past them legally, as long as speed is reduced back down to listed limit after they're cleared.

Baloo Uriza: But absent an official signal on the cop's part and some effort on the gal's part, it really sounds like both were being dicks deliberately...


I blame the article for being hazy(at best). Typical on the net, I suppose, but frustrating when people want to figure out who's at fault.
 
2013-01-01 04:47:43 AM  
I had this happen exactly as the article described: blocked by truck, pushed by cop, accelerated to free the lane and got ticketed. Complimented the cop on using his creativity contributing to his quota.
 
2013-01-01 05:43:18 AM  
Simple solution.
Go around.

The driver did absolutely nothing wrong, the LEO should write himself a ticket for following too close.
DB
 
2013-01-01 06:41:16 AM  
If you are going to be going the speed limit, do not be in the left lane. The left lane is for passing. This driver had 3 miles to make a decision, the cop had to make it for her.
 
2013-01-01 07:24:23 AM  
Without getting into the 'Speed Limits are arbitrary and local income sources' - Speed Limit is the Limit.
There is a lower limit on most highways - usually 45 MPH - also a limit.
Go faster, you are over-driving based on the conditions of the area.
Go slower, you are impeding traffic.

Stay to the right except to pass is also the rule here - but let us do some simple math.

Two vehicles traveling at near speeds - say the driver was doing 65 and the truck was doing 64.
3 miles at 65 MPH = 2.76 minutes
Truck travels at 64 MPH for 2.76 minutes is a distance of 2.94 miles
A Difference of about 26 feet.
Now, average semi length of around 70 feet means that it would take about another 5 or 6 miles for passing.

Using all of this, 3 miles was not near long enough to judge 'impeding traffic' - it was within normal passing distance and time.

/This was based on there had to be reason to pass the truck, and that reason was speeds did not match, and that assumption furthered by auto going at speed limit, therefor the truck had to traveling slightly slower.
 
2013-01-01 12:16:52 PM  
I tell my wife to pass at a reasonable speed. Dont ever stay the same speed as a semi. Bad things can happen, tires blow, drivers get distracted or even the truck may have to do a emergency lane change. I tell her that if she gets a speeding ticket I will pay it, just get around them...
 
2013-01-01 12:41:19 PM  
This is why Sandy punished New Jersey
 
2013-01-01 12:47:59 PM  

Baloo Uriza: omeganuepsilon: Although, if he was going slow, and then sped up when he saw that he was getting passed, he is the one that created the block. Factor in the cop tailgating her, and it's a fail all around, she could win fighting the ticket.

I see that a LOT, whether it's a trucker or not. Some people just cannot stand getting passed even if they're going under the limit. And cops following too close, almost instigating a fark up so they can write a ticket.

Keep in mind I'm not some cop hater, I stick up for them a lot in threads on fark, but in this case, if he was following that close, he's the dick. Traffic and beat cops are some of the most habitual offenders of common decency.

If not, if the cop gave her room to slow and pull behind the truck, then she deserved the ticket.

Oh, no question. I've never pushed the issue, I mean, I drive commercial D these days, so I'm a four-wheelie myself, but even in situations where a commercial C 6-wheelie or higher 18-wheelie runs a yield, I'll move over for 'em even though they're supposed to stop for through traffic. And if I get trapped next to 'em, I'll be the one to drop down to 65 and fall back to merge behind the bigger vehicle. Oklahoma Highway Patrol has been very professional in either allowing appropriate following distance to let me pass at n-1 MPH where n=maximum legal speed. Being a pro driver and a former locomotive operator, I go one-under so if I go downhill, I hit the limit instead of having to apply the brakes or go over on the downhills just out of force of habit. Can usually make the fall back and merge behind in under 2 miles when I realize it and the bigger vehicle doesn't give me the courtesy of completing a pass, though if OHP flashes the blue lights, I'll use the brakes and get it done in 2500 feet or so, that they can fly by. But absent an official signal on the cop's part and some effort on the gal's part, it really sounds like both were being dicks deliberately...


Most likely a bit of run up to the story.
 
2013-01-01 12:49:39 PM  

Rye_: fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.

If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic, and, like it or not, you'll probably be pulled over for it. You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go out in your car, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.


We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.
 
2013-01-01 01:10:17 PM  
as a corollary today, on my way home from work on the motorcycle i had a slower car in the left...


he got into the right lane and i gave a friendly wave as i rode by.

yes a wave not a salute not a flip a wave...
 
2013-01-01 01:58:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Oh, so much this. More so for the ones who hit their brakes because they see a cop on the SIDE OF THE ROAD giving some other poor fool a ticket. Do they think the cop is going to remember they were the ones speeding and come chase them next? (That's not the same thing as slowing when passing an accident scene, btw, although looky-loos need to die also)

This chicklet needs to get her traffic ticket doubled for biatching about it.


Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but Texas recently passed a "move over" law requiring drivers approaching an emergency vehicle on the side of the road with its lights on (including tow trucks) to either move out of the right lane or slow down 20 MPH below posted speed limit. Here's an article about it.
 
2013-01-01 02:39:53 PM  

soj4life: If you are going to be going the speed limit, do not be in the left lane. The left lane is for passing. This driver had 3 miles to make a decision, the cop had to make it for her.


Fun fact: You can't exceed the speed limit even when you are passing.
 
m00
2013-01-01 04:07:02 PM  
I understand the frustration. This happens to be a lot:

I'm behind a truck in the right lane, he's going 60 and it's 65mph limit... I get in the left to pass him, and he speeds up (for what-ever reason... going downhill, road straightens, etc). I'm generally on cruise control but truck speeds I've noticed are extremely variable. If I'm in a notorious speed trap zone, I usually just slow down and get behind him again while doing the "oh come on" gesture. If I'm not in a notorious speed trap zone, I pass him as fast as I can and get back in the right lane.

Now if during this time a cop gets up my ass, I would immediately signal and then either speed up (and risk it) or slow down, and let him pass. If he's tailgating, I can only speed up. But I can completely understand how speeding with a cop up your ass is unnerving. Because they can pull you over and ticket you for going just a few miles over... whether or not they will is up to the cop.
 
2013-01-01 05:54:00 PM  

snocone: We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.


Obeying the law makes you a dick? Got it.
 
2013-01-01 06:42:52 PM  

snocone: Rye_: fredklein: bhcompy: It's your job to obey the law, which means not impeding traffic.

And it's their job to obey the law and not speed. And if they don't speed, then I'm NOT impeding traffic.

If you're driving 65 in the left lane on a highway, I guarantee that you're impeding traffic, and, like it or not, you'll probably be pulled over for it. You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go out in your car, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.

We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.


Impeding traffic wouldn't be the right charge. Improper lane use might be. But if you're trying to go faster than the speed limit, then you both are co-morons to that stupidity.
 
2013-01-01 06:47:20 PM  

fredklein: snocone: We call this behavior "Passive Aggression".
Makes you a dick.

Obeying the law makes you a dick? Got it.


no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.
 
2013-01-01 07:15:28 PM  

Baloo Uriza:

Impeding traffic wouldn't be the right charge. Improper lane use might be. But if you're trying to go faster than the speed limit, then you both are co-morons to that stupidity.


Oklahoma has a traffic statute that stipulates "failing to yield to an overtaking motor vehicle" as a chargeable offense. Pretty sure most other states do too.
 
2013-01-01 07:33:36 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.


For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.

But, some of you don't seem to get it. let's look at the 4 possibilities:

Everyone obeys Both laws.
Everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law.
Everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit.
No one obeys either.

If everyone obeys Both laws, we end up with everyone in the Right lane, going the speed limit. The left lane is never used. That makes no sense.

If everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law, we end up with everyone going the speed limit, but both lanes of the road being used. This is the most efficient use of the road.

If everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit (like a lot of you want), we wind up with the right lane at 55 (maybe 65), and the left lane at 80 or more. This speed differential leads to more, and worse, accidents.

And finally, if no one obeys either law, we end up with the roads as they are now.
 
2013-01-01 07:38:58 PM  

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.

For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.


for the last time, retard:
Speedometers are not 100% accurate. so your "60mph" isn't the same as anyone else's "60mph".
everyone is NOT "going the same speed".

MOVE
THE
fark
OVER
 
2013-01-01 07:45:43 PM  

RatOmeter: Baloo Uriza:

Impeding traffic wouldn't be the right charge. Improper lane use might be. But if you're trying to go faster than the speed limit, then you both are co-morons to that stupidity.

Oklahoma has a traffic statute that stipulates "failing to yield to an overtaking motor vehicle" as a chargeable offense. Pretty sure most other states do too.


That doesn't stop the fact that exceeding the maximum posted speed is a chargeable offense damn near anywhere you go on the planet that has motor vehicles.
 
2013-01-01 07:57:14 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: for the last time, retard:
Speedometers are not 100% accurate. so your "60mph" isn't the same as anyone else's "60mph".
everyone is NOT "going the same speed".


Unluckily for you, whether you are speeding or not isn't determined by YOUR speedometer, but rather by the actual speed you are going, as measured (usually) by a machine that bounces electromagnetic energy off of your car and measures the bounce back.
 
2013-01-01 08:06:30 PM  

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: for the last time, retard:
Speedometers are not 100% accurate. so your "60mph" isn't the same as anyone else's "60mph".
everyone is NOT "going the same speed".

Unluckily for you, whether you are speeding or not isn't determined by YOUR speedometer, but rather by the actual speed you are going, as measured (usually) by a machine that bounces electromagnetic energy off of your car and measures the bounce back.


except that a mis-calibrated speedometer is a valid defense for speeding in many (if not all) states.

also, you just admitted that there is a possibility that you are going under the limit... so you should be in the right lane, just in case.
 
2013-01-01 08:38:34 PM  

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: no, disregarding law B to make sure others obey law A, then acting like you're somehow superior makes you a dick.

For the last time, people:

If everyone obeys the speed limit, then the 'keep right except to pass' is irrelevant, since everyone is going the same speed.

But, some of you don't seem to get it. let's look at the 4 possibilities:

Everyone obeys Both laws.
Everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law.
Everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit.
No one obeys either.

If everyone obeys Both laws, we end up with everyone in the Right lane, going the speed limit. The left lane is never used. That makes no sense.

If everyone obeys the speed limit, but not the Keep Right law, we end up with everyone going the speed limit, but both lanes of the road being used. This is the most efficient use of the road.

If everyone obeys the Keep Right law, but not the speed limit (like a lot of you want), we wind up with the right lane at 55 (maybe 65), and the left lane at 80 or more. This speed differential leads to more, and worse, accidents.

And finally, if no one obeys either law, we end up with the roads as they are now.


Except speed limit is the maximum. Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit, which is why many freeways have posted speed minimums, since large differences in speed are inherently dangerous. Slower traffic move right means just that. Are you slower? Yes. Move right.
 
2013-01-01 10:19:15 PM  

bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit


[citation needed]
 
2013-01-02 03:04:00 AM  

fredklein: bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit

[citation needed]


Wow, total troll mode now.

www.mesalek.com

US50 in CO, posted speed minimum because there is a problem with this. Being that it's Colorado, it could be farm traffic(tractors do not generally go that fast), hypermilers, bicyclists, or just plain slow drivers(CO drivers suck).

www.onntv.com

Ohio, different vehicles have different speed limits, yet share the same road, thus, in your world, where everyone drives the speed limit at all times, there are conditions where traffic forcibly moves at different speeds, thus creating a condition where slower traffic should move right, despite the fact the slower traffic may be moving at the speed limit.

Tulsa Oklahoma has various laws in the traffic code that apply:
SECTION 618. CONDITIONS AFFECTING SPEED
Notwithstanding the posted speed limits, any person driving a vehicle shall drive
the same at a careful and prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and
proper, having due regard to the traffic, surface and width of the roadway and any other
condition then existing; and no person shall drive any vehicle upon a roadway at a
speed greater than will permit him to bring it to a stop within the assured clear distance
ahead.

SECTION 619. SPEED LESS THAN MINIMUM POSTED SPEED
Any speed less than the minimum speed specified by official traffic-control
devices is unlawful.

SECTION 622. SPEED TOO SLOW FOR CONDITIONS
It shall be unlawful for any person to drive at such a slow speed as to impede the
normal and reasonable movement of traffic.


Section 618 clearly states that the speed limit does not apply when talking about reasonable speeds and that you should maintain reasonable speeds where reason is qualified by stopping distance, and Section 622 tails off 618 by stating that driving slower than reasonable speeds is unlawful.
Section 619 must exist because this is a problem enough to create a law to address the situation.

Basically, stop being a douche and get to the right if you're impeding the flow of traffic in your current lane.
 
2013-01-02 10:31:41 AM  
Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.
I like how you ignored my original reply to you that showed you the logical fallacy you are going by fredklein. Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.
 
2013-01-02 11:24:38 AM  

bhcompy: fredklein: bhcompy: Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit

[citation needed]

Wow, total troll mode now.


[snip minimum speed sign pix]

The fact a minimum speed limit exists is not proof that "Plenty of people drive slower than the speed limit". Try again.

Ohio, different vehicles have different speed limits

Ooh, you've found an exception to the general rule. Therefore, the general rule must be completely invalid.

Section 618 clearly states that the speed limit does not apply when talking about reasonable speeds

Actually, that's meant for idiots who insist on driving the speed limit despite adverse conditions (thus the wording: "due regard to the traffic, surface and width of the roadway and any other condition then existing"). In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.

Basically, stop being a douche and get to the right if you're impeding the flow of traffic in your current lane.

Basically, stop being a douche and obey the speed limits.
 
2013-01-02 11:28:43 AM  

CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.


Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.
 
2013-01-02 01:21:03 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: except that a mis-calibrated speedometer is a valid defense for speeding in many (if not all) states.


There is no state in the US where that is the case, but I'm sure that with your GED in law you'll find us one. The fact is that the absolute most you'll get with actual professional evidence of a miscalibrated speedo (which costs money to get) is sympathy from the judge, which may or may not get you a reduced fine or charge. Most of the time it's just wasted money.
 
2013-01-02 01:23:27 PM  

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.


i hope one day you're driving somebody dear to you to the hospital... everyone on the highway is doing 3 under in all lanes... and you make it there just a few seconds too late.
 
2013-01-02 03:11:04 PM  

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.


But you know that they don't. So keep breaking the law because other people are. You have some good logic.
 
2013-01-02 03:31:10 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.

i hope one day you're driving somebody dear to you to the hospital... everyone on the highway is doing 3 under in all lanes... and you make it there just a few seconds too late.


I'd call an ambulance- they have sirens to clear the traffic.
But thanks anyway for wishing death to my friends and relatives, simply because you want to speed on the highway.
 
2013-01-02 03:32:00 PM  

CrazyCracka420: But you know that they don't. So keep breaking the law because other people are. You have some good logic.


As opposed to your logic: 'Everyone else should obey the law, so I am free to break it.'
 
2013-01-02 05:11:26 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.


It's not a one-or-the-other; both would be.
 
2013-01-02 05:12:33 PM  

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.


Not entirely, just less extreme.
 
2013-01-02 06:21:33 PM  

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: But you know that they don't. So keep breaking the law because other people are. You have some good logic.

As opposed to your logic: 'Everyone else should obey the law, so I am free to break it.'


I never said I'm trying to break the law.

I know this is going to be hard for you to understand, since you clearly are doing your best to control other people's actions through your driving.

You can't control how fast other people drive on the road. You can control if you're impeding traffic flow.

You can't control if other people are going to break the law, you can control if you follow the law.
 
2013-01-02 07:26:26 PM  

CrazyCracka420: You can't control how fast other people drive on the road.


You just said I can't control their speed... yet if I go the speed limit in the left lane, I'm forcing the speed demons to slow down, which is controlling thier speed. But you just said I can't control their speed....

Huh, guess you are wrong.

You can't control if other people are going to break the law

Again.... guess you're wrong.
 
2013-01-02 07:37:53 PM  

fredklein: The_Original_Roxtar: fredklein: CrazyCracka420: Yeah fred's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his job to enforce traffic. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to move over when a vehicle is moving faster than him.

Yeah CrazyCracka420's just a passive aggressive douche bag who feels it's his right to break the law. And he'll be damned if he's going to be inconvenienced to slow down tot he speed limit.

The left lane is for passing, if someone's going faster than you, you move over. It's the law.

The speed limit applies to everyone, if you're going faster than it, you slow down. It's the law.

Someone else speeding is breaking the law, if you don't move over for them, then you're breaking the law.

::sigh:: I've said it before- if everyone obeys the speed limit, the 'keep right' law becomes irrelevant.

i hope one day you're driving somebody dear to you to the hospital... everyone on the highway is doing 3 under in all lanes... and you make it there just a few seconds too late.

I'd call an ambulance- they have sirens to clear the traffic.
But thanks anyway for wishing death to my friends and relatives, simply because you want to speed on the highway.


i wish death to your friends and relatives because you think you should be able to break 1 law in order to force others to obey another law, whether they're actually breaking it or not (speedometers are not 100% accurate).

move
over
 
2013-01-02 07:59:51 PM  

fredklein: In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.


Do me a favor and look up the definition of notwithstanding, or case law, or anything that requires you to exercise your brain.
 
2013-01-02 09:54:00 PM  

bhcompy: fredklein: In any case, it mentions "prudent speed not greater than nor less than is reasonable and proper". Since it is not "prudent" to break the law, and it is "proper" to obey the speed limit, you are limited to the speed limit.

Do me a favor and look up the definition of notwithstanding, or case law, or anything that requires you to exercise your brain.


not·with·stand·ing
/ˌnätwiTHˈstandiNG/
Preposition
In spite of.

So, IN SPITE OF the speed limit bring 65, you cannot go that fast if the road is icy. It is not prudent or proper to do so. You must go slower.

Oh, and "and no person shall drive any vehicle upon a roadway at a speed greater than will permit him to bring it to a stop within the assured clear distance ahead." means you can't tailgate me either, speeder!

Not, you please look up the definition of "limit".
 
2013-01-02 09:55:02 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: i wish death to your friends and relatives


..and this is the type of person we're supposed to let break the law?
 
2013-01-03 11:11:27 AM  

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: You can't control how fast other people drive on the road.

You just said I can't control their speed... yet if I go the speed limit in the left lane, I'm forcing the speed demons to slow down, which is controlling thier speed. But you just said I can't control their speed....

Huh, guess you are wrong.

You can't control if other people are going to break the law

Again.... guess you're wrong.


So you're temporarily stopping some people from breaking the law, but you yourself breaking the law? I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides trying to be the law enforcer on the road. Here's a news flash, that's the job of the police (to enforce the laws). All you're going to do when you play games with multi-ton vehicles, is piss off the wrong person and get killed in a fiery-steel crumpled ball. But at least they'll say you were in the right at your funeral.
 
2013-01-03 11:54:12 AM  

CrazyCracka420: I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides trying to be the law enforcer on the road.


I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides speeding.

Here's a news flash, that's the job of the police (to enforce the laws).

I'll keep that in mind if I ever see you being assaulted. I'll make sure to stand there, watching, while awaiting the arrival of the police.
 
2013-01-03 12:01:06 PM  

fredklein: CrazyCracka420: I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides trying to be the law enforcer on the road.

I'm sorry for your small penis, you can compensate in other ways besides speeding.

Here's a news flash, that's the job of the police (to enforce the laws).

I'll keep that in mind if I ever see you being assaulted. I'll make sure to stand there, watching, while awaiting the arrival of the police.


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