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(New York Daily News)   If you're a victim of Hurricane Sandy and you think you're going to get federal aid soon, think again. Subby's not asking for it, but the people living in his house, who lost their homes are getting a little antsy   (nydailynews.com) divider line 88
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2012-12-31 02:28:08 PM

GAT_00: Yep. Cantor blocked all aid to Joplin after the tornado there too, and to the best of my knowledge that block was never removed.


Seriously, Joplin never got any aid? That is sick.
 
2012-12-31 02:34:21 PM

pciszek: GAT_00: Yep. Cantor blocked all aid to Joplin after the tornado there too, and to the best of my knowledge that block was never removed.

Seriously, Joplin never got any aid? That is sick.


Seriously, what do you not understand about the concept of INSURANCE!!!
 
2012-12-31 02:35:04 PM
I wonder who gets money first....the people with damage to their property or all those areas and departments that they added money to the relief bill for like to study the mating habits of the leech who makes its habitat in the anus of a hippo.

And why is some upstater from district 20 the one they use a picture for....I wonder how much money her district put in for for "storm surge".
 
2012-12-31 02:36:40 PM

clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
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He should have just stayed in D.C, so people like you could bash him for not caring.

Normal people don't give a fark what sore losers like you think.
 
2012-12-31 02:37:26 PM
What or who is the FEMA aid for? For private homeowners or renters, etc?

I've always understood that if you don't purchase insurance to cover your home for earthquake, fire, flood, etc, that the homeowner would have to pay out of pocket to rebuild or make repairs with when these things happen.

I've heard people allege that the aid in this case is for people who didn't buy insurance. Is that correct?
 
2012-12-31 02:38:10 PM

Giltric: I wonder who gets money first....the people with damage to their property or all those areas and departments that they added money to the relief bill for like to study the mating habits of the leech who makes its habitat in the anus of a hippo.

And why is some upstater from district 20 the one they use a picture for....I wonder how much money her district put in for for "storm surge".


Hahahahaha science is stupid. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to watch one of the five hundred TV channels I get while surfing the Internet and enjoying my lengthened life span.
 
2012-12-31 02:43:10 PM
Looks like Joplin has received $250M in federal aid, if you read up on it:

Joplin Receives Federal Aid

So please stop saying Joplin received no federal help. This is not true.
 
2012-12-31 02:45:40 PM

jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
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Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.


perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone
 
2012-12-31 02:46:26 PM

Shadowknight: bootstrappy


damn, right in the boobies

i was guessing within 10 or so, but congrats
 
2012-12-31 02:48:07 PM
Hee-haw!
Welcome to New Rome, suckers.
 
2012-12-31 02:49:45 PM

Giltric: And why is some upstater from district 20 the one they use a picture for


Because she's not district 20 any more, she's a US senator.

A stone cold foxy senator.
 
2012-12-31 03:02:31 PM

clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone


You thought Les MIserables was a comedy, didn't you?
 
2012-12-31 03:02:48 PM

freewill: GAT_00:
This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?

It probably cost half a million more to do that.

If that's what it costs to build a house that won't fall down, then it seems like that's either what you're going to need to spend or you really shouldn't build there. We had a lot of people here building in known flood zones who, after they refused to buy insurance and their houses ended up caked in literal liquid shiat, explained themselves by complaining that they couldn't have afforded the homes if they had gotten the insurance.

Well, I guess you couldn't afford the homes then, huh? This should not be FEMA's problem.

That said, I don't think most Sandy victims could really see this coming.


Yup. Sandy caused stuff to happen here that nobody could remember seeing in the past several decades. Sure the risk was always there, but it's not like a storm like that is anywhere near commonplace.
 
2012-12-31 03:11:42 PM

cryinoutloud: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
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cryinoutloud
He should have just stayed in D.C, so people like you could bash him for not caring.

Normal people don't give a fark what sore losers like you think.


clane
Good one, you sound about as bright as a typical Obama Voter
pic.epicfail.com
 
2012-12-31 03:12:01 PM

clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone


Wow, you are really, really dumb.

I mean like how dumb can someone be.

You are now the new standard for dumb.

Dummy.
 
2012-12-31 03:27:50 PM

italie: GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

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I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.


You'll notice that most of the foundations are also gone in that photo.

Event that house is lucky. If that new channel right behind it had shifted 15 feet to the left, even that house would have been destroyed.
 
2012-12-31 03:37:50 PM

cretinbob: Remember , The Republicans don't want them to get any disaster aid.

That part of their plan to avoid the "Fiscal Cliff" that they actually voted for.


Riiiiiight. Propose to cut some funding from a single program that, in some limited circumstances, can provide a small amount of disaster aid -- Rethuglicans don't want you to get ANY AID AT ALL!

Uh-huh. Right.
 
2012-12-31 03:40:04 PM
If I'm ever in a position where I'm desperately waiting for a government handout, then I have failed.
 
2012-12-31 03:46:48 PM

libranoelrose: clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

clane
perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone

libranoelrose
Wow, you are really, really dumb.

I mean like how dumb can someone be.

You are now the new standard for dumb.

Dummy.


clane
Umm yea, good intellectual debate. Don't feel bad all Liberals just resort to calling people names or correcting a mizzpelled word. It's ok though, it's not your fault, Liberals can't debate any issues because they are always on the wrong side.
 
2012-12-31 03:53:13 PM

This text is now purple: italie: GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.

You'll notice that most of the foundations are also gone in that photo.

Event that house is lucky. If that new channel right behind it had shifted 15 feet to the left, even that house would have been destroyed.


Which was exactly my point. As long as you can keep it secure to the ground, building a wind resistant structure isn't that expensive.
 
2012-12-31 03:54:30 PM

clane: libranoelrose: clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

clane
perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone

libranoelrose
Wow, you are really, really dumb.

I mean like how dumb can someone be.

You are now the new standard for dumb.

Dummy.

clane
Umm yea, good intellectual debate. Don't feel bad all Liberals just resort to calling people names or correcting a mizzpelled word. It's ok though, it's not your fault, Liberals can't debate any issues because they are always on the wrong side.


-1/10
 
2012-12-31 04:28:22 PM
So they can spend it all on strip clubs and forties of OE?  Sorry, libs, but I don't want my tax dollars going to a bunch of boogie woogies that don't want to work and only want to get free FEMA dollars.  That's how all of these people are.  Boogie woogies!
 
2012-12-31 04:29:32 PM
How can we blame bush for this?
 
2012-12-31 04:48:36 PM
The kicker:

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2012-12-31 04:51:15 PM
So if I don't carry insurance, the Govt. will give me free money? SWEET!
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Hey , Rodgers...SUCK IT!
 
2012-12-31 05:17:05 PM

Elephantman: So if I don't carry insurance, the Govt. will give me free money? SWEET!
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Hey , Rodgers...SUCK IT!


That would be a smart move for any country. Make insurance part of societys responsibilities paid for by taxes.
As it is now everyone who owns a house or a car or a body really, really, really should be insured (and sometimes have to be by law) meaning it sort of already is a extra tax; but a tax paid to a private party that makes huge profits. If the state instead took over the responsibilities we'd need to pay more taxes, sure, but since we're not paying the insurance companies' overheads we'd pay less total.
 
2012-12-31 05:41:21 PM

adm_crunch: If I'm ever in a position where I'm desperately waiting for a government handout, then I have failed.


So you mean that when you get sick and the health care industry bleeds you of all your assets, you'll be a failure? That's pretty dumb.
 
2012-12-31 05:44:34 PM

wickedragon: That would be a smart move for any country. Make insurance part of societys responsibilities paid for by taxes.


They should do the same for insurance against old age, disability, unemployment, and health care expenses.
 
2012-12-31 05:52:51 PM

freewill: GAT_00:
This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?

It probably cost half a million more to do that.

If that's what it costs to build a house that won't fall down, then it seems like that's either what you're going to need to spend or you really shouldn't build there. We had a lot of people here building in known flood zones who, after they refused to buy insurance and their houses ended up caked in literal liquid shiat, explained themselves by complaining that they couldn't have afforded the homes if they had gotten the insurance.

Well, I guess you couldn't afford the homes then, huh? This should not be FEMA's problem.

That said, I don't think most Sandy victims could really see this coming.


Both of these.

Yes, insurance in a flood zone is very high; yes, building an entirely flood-proof (hurricane-proof, earthquake-proof) house is expensive. Some people can't afford to go the whole way. If a person is in a lower income bracket, the home is their sole residence, they're carrying minimum homeowner's insurance--sure, I'll cut them some slack. Or if the storm is a 500-year event that probably nothing could have survived, sure.

These people who have vacation homes right on the beach and insist they can't possibly afford extra insurance, or who won't spring for any insurance at all because they're "just too poor" or whatever--nope, sorry. If you own a home, you should find a way to get some kind of insurance, and if you have to have a fancy second house right on the water then it's on you to be sure you're covered, not mine.
 
2012-12-31 05:53:21 PM

mittromneysdog: wickedragon: That would be a smart move for any country. Make insurance part of societys responsibilities paid for by taxes.

They should do the same for insurance against old age, disability, unemployment, and health care expenses.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-31 06:32:38 PM

Igor Jakovsky: abhorrent1: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

6" nails for shingles?

Here in FL since 2002 wind mitigation building rules for new construction require 8 in nails spaced 6 in apart for the decking, hurricane clips (metal plates) if not straps for the truss to rafter connection. Under those requirements you may lose some shingles in a hurricane but your roof will stay attached.


My dad and I built a house in Panama City back in the late 70's using that technique. We had metal plates reinforcing all the trusses, and metal plates tying the trusses to the walls. Everything was tied to other structural units (roof to walls, walls to floor, etc) with metal straps. The shingles were attached the usual way, but IIRC my dad never had any damage to the house through the 80's and 90's from the various hurricanes that hit the area (he sold it in the 90's).
 
2012-12-31 07:01:38 PM

libranoelrose: Kill all Republicans.


You're a disgusting ugly person.
 
2012-12-31 07:08:44 PM
But if you're an Alaska fisherman, cheer up! They have allotted aid for you in the Hurricane Sandy relief bill.
 
2012-12-31 07:39:14 PM
New Yorkers always sound so darn greedy asking for a billion here, a billion there...
 
2012-12-31 08:43:28 PM
Yah I ramble a lot, but it's why I Fark. I'm really trying to help this time though and not just blab or be a pain.

Response is meant for subby, his houseguests and anyone else in the disaster zone.

May this information be used accordingly because it is one of the few, maybe the only time I have ever been useful in a practical way on Fark, and hopefully it will be the last, lol.

I really hope these people get their money sooner rather than later so they can at least partially repair the damage to their homes. I've been seeing a lot of damaged properties coming across my desk lately and as I deal with foreclosed/bank owned homes in the disaster area, the bank and HUD are only willing to do the barest minimum of what it takes to preserve them. Move a tree off of a roof? Sure, I'm allowed to approve that. Repair the caved in roof so that the structure doesn't suffer further damage therefore making it pretty much condemned/unsellable/collapse in upon itself? No way-I'd lose my job if I approved it even though it makes perfect sense in a sane world. Nope. Slap a tarp on it and call it good (structural inspection, nah, too much money!). If the banks are coming in with that approach on vacant properties, I shudder to think what the government is using as its evaluation metrics for inhabited homes that are currently non-inhabitable. Heaven only knows it can take an insurance company months and months to complete a perfectly valid claim and they dispute them all the time. If a person can board and wint and make the place secure, your odds go way up on moving back in but don't count on FEMA, I guess.

Unsolicited advice follows:

Vacant properties left alone and untouched, sadly, do not maintain nor preserve themselves but decay at an alarming rate from the humblest cottage to the biggest McMansion. The longer the government takes to get these folks their money to repair, the worse the ruin will be and there will be no redress for homeowners or renters with the government sitting on their hands over it. I would also say ask your guests if they know how to board/wint a property. HUD and FEMA specs are both available online. If the government isn't doing anything, at the minimum they need to board up their windows and wint. Reply in the thread if you want some help on this or reply to "Iadara at g mail dot com"-a winterization and boarding shouldn't cost much more than $150-$200 bucks for a large/generous home (2000+ sq ft) at the hardware store and a little bit of elbow grease-frozen pipes will destroy a property pretty much for good and I can explain to your guests how to do it if it hasn't been taken care of yet. Your friends will need someone with an air compressor, drill and a few other basic tools, and a helping hand or two for the boarding part. Or, if you don't want to talk to me, use Google, but if winting vacant properties, make sure to use pink, not green antifreeze do it when the ambiant temp in the house is over about 52 degress, and shut off the water. Inside of the house if there's a shut off and most homes have a manual shut off-if in doubt, tap the walls and if that doesn't work, find a plumber who will come out on a service call for max $150 bucks, it may save your home. Don't just trust the city to have turned it off at the street, there is still water in your system and needs to be blown out (min 35 PSI). wrapping your pipes in insulation will not help it. They will still burst. Turn all the breakers off, unplug everything. Wint, board and get out of Dodge and back to the sofa bed. Wait and be patient. Go by once a week to inspect. Report vandalism not only to the police but to your bank. Always. If you live in a flood prone area (possibly some of our subby's houseguests) call the electric company to keep power on to your sump pump and well at nominal cost.

Good luck!

final hints:

and I know I'll get in trouble for it one way or another but bear in mind I do not encourage nor endorse any criminal activity

If a home has been condemned as uninhabitable by the city/municipality/county/whatever, my company still sends our contractors in as it is bank owned; I would think this may extend to personal homeowners but I'm not sure. This widespread ordinance is meant to discourage squatting unless your home is *truly* unsafe. I would still argue that if your door is kicked in, it is in your best interest as well as the banks' to secure your own home. Exterior doorways are on average 36x84. Your doorway may vary. Measure twice, cut once. Do not use OSB, you will be re-condemned all over again with higher fines. Secure the back door or side door with a deadbolt and secure the front door with a padlock and hasp and check daily. your door may be kicked in. Talk to your neighbors, even if you were the "bad" homewoner on the block. Chances are, if you're on Fark, you're ok and your neighbors at least know you even if they don't talk to you.


//broken copper pipes are a fortune to replace. HWT not so much, but still. drain it anyway.
///pull all of your furniture and do not cover it with dropcloths (if you do, treat them with mothballs, rat posion, whatever will not stain and not harm your children/pets), all of it, back from the walls, treat all surfaces with a fungicide/bleach/Clorox solution whatever thrills you, treat it monthly. You may still have to repaint the entire danged thing in a few months with Kilz and new paint anyway so it hardly matters.
////key a back or side door based on what your attorney or realtor tells you. your stuff may not be moved unless you give the go-ahead. FHA loaners, get on the phone. Sorry, I don't have much about that except that it is a different set of rules.
 
2012-12-31 10:11:52 PM
So how does this federal aid work? Is it just free money? Is it just for home owners? Is it like you actually had flood insurance when you actually didn't and couldn't? Is it for full amount of estimate repair work, a percentage? Anybody been through applying for this stuff?
 
2012-12-31 11:24:00 PM

Mrbogey: libranoelrose: Kill all Republicans.

You're a disgusting ugly person.


I know that, but I don't think you've ever seen me.
 
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