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(New York Daily News)   If you're a victim of Hurricane Sandy and you think you're going to get federal aid soon, think again. Subby's not asking for it, but the people living in his house, who lost their homes are getting a little antsy   (nydailynews.com) divider line 88
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2012-12-31 07:22:14 AM  
We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.
 
2012-12-31 07:44:56 AM  
So, party at Subby's house, then?
 
2012-12-31 07:53:30 AM  
Just bash them over the head, wrap in plastic, sprinkle with quicklime and bury them under a new moon subby. You know how this works, c'mon.
 
2012-12-31 08:04:47 AM  

gopher321: Just bash them over the head, wrap in plastic, sprinkle with quicklime and bury them under a new moon subby. You know how this works, c'mon.


That's funny because I have a sign in my back yard that says to all youts that visit my pool and diving board that says: You f'up, you go to the bay.
/Stated in bold letters
 
2012-12-31 08:45:54 AM  

Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.


And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.
 
2012-12-31 10:59:09 AM  

GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.


I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.
 
2012-12-31 11:19:06 AM  

Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.


Yep. Cantor blocked all aid to Joplin after the tornado there too, and to the best of my knowledge that block was never removed.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:00 AM  

Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.


And since they are in D territory it is hard to scare the GOP into helping them.
 
2012-12-31 11:24:06 AM  

EvilEgg: Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.

And since they are in D territory it is hard to scare the GOP into helping them.


I also suppose they are hoping Obama gets the blame for that too? The American Right is a beast that should not be.
 
2012-12-31 11:25:04 AM  
Remember , The Republicans don't want them to get any disaster aid.

That part of their plan to avoid the "Fiscal Cliff" that they actually voted for.
 
2012-12-31 11:26:26 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: That's funny because I have a sign in my back yard that says to all youts that visit my pool and diving board that says: You f'up, you go to the bay.
/Stated in bold letters


www.smithandhasslerblog.com
 
2012-12-31 11:27:58 AM  

cretinbob: Remember , The Republicans don't want them to get any disaster aid.

That part of their plan to avoid the "Fiscal Cliff" that they actually voted for.


While I'm glad my wife will still get a paycheck and we will be able to pay our bills, that's freaking sick. God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.
 
2012-12-31 11:55:31 AM  

Shadowknight: God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.


Another article I read suggested that Republican Congressmen want the states to pick up more of their own disaster related bills.  If they feel the pain, perhaps they will be a little more wise about how they allow building in areas prone to both coastal and inland flooding.  It is just another target of their "starve the beast" mentality.

I'm sympathetic to the people pummeled by Sandy, but I am also tired of seeing the feds shell out billions for people's stupid building mistakes.

i2.cdn.turner.com

This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?
 
2012-12-31 12:04:24 PM  

Dinjiin: Shadowknight: God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.

Another article I read suggested that Republican Congressmen want the states to pick up more of their own disaster related bills.  If they feel the pain, perhaps they will be a little more wise about how they allow building in areas prone to both coastal and inland flooding.  It is just another target of their "starve the beast" mentality.

I'm sympathetic to the people pummeled by Sandy, but I am also tired of seeing the feds shell out billions for people's stupid building mistakes.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?


It probably cost half a million more to do that.
 
2012-12-31 12:31:12 PM  

Shadowknight: While I'm glad my wife will still get a paycheck and we will be able to pay our bills, that's freaking sick. God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.


The Pentagon WANTS their budget cut. The House GOP says no. Go figure. Because the military contractors say no.
I have no problem with my tax dollars helping you and yours temporarily in times of crisis. That's the American spirit, we help each other out. I think people are getting it again after the years of greed and hypocrisy. Taxes aren't too high, wages are too low. I can barely afford to live not because too big a chunk is going to the government, but because too big a chunk is going into some CEOs pocket. Yes, profit is good, but when you fark people over so they can't buy your product, what the hell are you going to do next?
Anyway, no point in going on. I hope now that 12/21/2012 has come and gone people will slowly get their minds back and off the hoarding mentality.
Gotta have hope.
 
2012-12-31 12:31:49 PM  

GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.


Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

www.texasgulfcoastonline.com
 
2012-12-31 12:39:31 PM  

Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]


I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.
 
2012-12-31 01:06:59 PM  

GAT_00: I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


Those were the starting prices I saw when I did a Google-fu for new builds.  Couldn't find exact costs for the retrofit job the homeowners in the Hurricane Ike photo had done.  And actually, looking at a post-disaster photo of their house, it looks as if they might be using 14' wood stilts and not steel or steel reinforced concrete. You can see the damage to the stilts holding their deck up, exposing the wood underneath. OTOH, they may be using wood just for the deck and steel for the house proper. Hard to tell.
 
2012-12-31 01:14:40 PM  

Dinjiin: Try less than $100K.


Yes, but $100k when? 1986?
 
2012-12-31 01:19:27 PM  
and I'd like to see the inside. iirc the inside is gutted. The outside is severely damaged. Yes it's very impressive, and as a Gulf Coaster myself I know with the proper building it can be done.
But having over built the barrier islands still causes hella problems.
 
2012-12-31 01:33:20 PM  
Super Storm Sandy.
 
2012-12-31 01:33:54 PM  
Get to the end of the line you guidos.
We have people up here in Vermont that are still waiting on their approved aid from Irene.
 
2012-12-31 01:37:53 PM  
I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.
 
2012-12-31 01:38:32 PM  
Typical liberal cities can't get their shiat together after a bit of water. That's what happens when you enable losers.
 
2012-12-31 01:38:50 PM  

Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]


If he really wanted to make it hurricane-proof, it'd be rounded and less angular/flat; give the wind and water less to push against.
 
2012-12-31 01:39:05 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.


Sorry, that was with regards to the fiscal cliff.

Oh, well, every thread is about the fiscal cliff today, right?
 
2012-12-31 01:39:25 PM  
Funny how whenever there's a disaster anywhere else in the world, we always seem to send tons of aid (even to Iran after their Earthquake, in which they told us "DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!" as their thank-you), yet anything equally disastrous that happens in the US, people are told to get bootstrappy and DIAF.

I call it the "Pizza Hut Doctrine", where Pizza Hut only allows the fun and interesting variations of pizza in foreign markets only, but all we get here in the US to chose from is "crap disc A" or "crap disc B". It's like they value people in other countries over it's own citizens here.
 
2012-12-31 01:41:55 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.


I currently make 30k a year. I'm having a hard time finding people who make 500k trading incomes with me so they can have my lower tax liability.
 
2012-12-31 01:42:28 PM  
Mitt Romney warned us this would happen. These darn people want the government to give them everything.
 
2012-12-31 01:45:13 PM  

SuperT: KiwDaWabbit: I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.

I currently make 30k a year. I'm having a hard time finding people who make 500k trading incomes with me so they can have my lower tax liability.


Yeah, not meant to be a slight on you...just those who constantly vote against their own interests
 
2012-12-31 01:45:37 PM  

Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]


6" nails for shingles?
 
2012-12-31 01:45:41 PM  
GAT_00:
This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?

It probably cost half a million more to do that.


If that's what it costs to build a house that won't fall down, then it seems like that's either what you're going to need to spend or you really shouldn't build there. We had a lot of people here building in known flood zones who, after they refused to buy insurance and their houses ended up caked in literal liquid shiat, explained themselves by complaining that they couldn't have afforded the homes if they had gotten the insurance.

Well, I guess you couldn't afford the homes then, huh? This should not be FEMA's problem.

That said, I don't think most Sandy victims could really see this coming.
 
2012-12-31 01:45:54 PM  

GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.



You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.
 
2012-12-31 01:46:08 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Funny how whenever there's a disaster anywhere else in the world, we always seem to send tons of aid (even to Iran after their Earthquake, in which they told us "DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!" as their thank-you), yet anything equally disastrous that happens in the US, people are told to get bootstrappy and DIAF.

I call it the "Pizza Hut Doctrine", where Pizza Hut only allows the fun and interesting variations of pizza in foreign markets only, but all we get here in the US to chose from is "crap disc A" or "crap disc B". It's like they value people in other countries over it's own citizens here.




You sound fat.
 
2012-12-31 01:49:45 PM  
dispersed disbursed

Srsly, language is dying.
 
2012-12-31 01:49:52 PM  
What is wrong with people these days? Looking for handouts and for someone to do the work for them instead of getting off their lazy asses and creating a better tomorrow? You don't need money to survive, but rather instinct, creativity, and motiva... yeah, ok, so most people are completely useless and need these handouts. Fair enough.
 
2012-12-31 01:50:44 PM  
If you own beach front property, then you can afford private insurance or build a stronger house.

In other countries, often no homes are built next to the water....for a reason.
 
2012-12-31 01:51:10 PM  

EvilEgg: Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.

And since they are in D territory it is hard to scare the GOP into helping them.


Why should they?
Those people dont vote for them let the nubian save them summon the magic negro
 
2012-12-31 01:51:39 PM  
Kill all Republicans.
 
2012-12-31 01:53:31 PM  
Federal aid for disaster relief is such a joke it shouldn't exist at all. I filed a claim with most of my neighbors after two huge floods in '08. (We don't live in a naturally flood prone area).

Destroyed an accessory structure on my property, and completely filled my basement. After ~two years~ I was offered a voucher for mold inspection. One of my neighbors got a check around the same time for $512 to replace his basement carpet.

Both of us spent over $30K in repairs out of pocket.

//Both of us now have flood insurance, lesson learned.
 
2012-12-31 01:53:43 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Funny how whenever there's a disaster anywhere else in the world, we always seem to send tons of aid (even to Iran after their Earthquake, in which they told us "DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!" as their thank-you), yet anything equally disastrous that happens in the US, people are told to get bootstrappy and DIAF.

I call it the "Pizza Hut Doctrine", where Pizza Hut only allows the fun and interesting variations of pizza in foreign markets only, but all we get here in the US to chose from is "crap disc A" or "crap disc B". It's like they value people in other countries over it's own citizens here.



i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-31 01:54:02 PM  
I'd be reluctant to shovel money at New York knowing that even now the city is doing dumb shiat like  issuing requests for proposals for a new 130-unit building right on the farking Brooklyn waterfront. This is almost up there on the stupid chart with New Orleans rebuilding in the Lower Ninth.

Seriously, if developments like that with high six-figure apartments are getting one penny of federal subsidy via flood insurance or whatever's in that $60B bill, then fark the city and double-fark Bloomberg and Cuomo and Shelly Silver and the crooks on the city council (and triple-fark the developers) until they start taking preparedness seriously.
 
2012-12-31 02:00:45 PM  
This guys a Douche, but at least he has an excuse...

becauseracecar.org

I wonder what excuse the Hurricane Sandy people have?
 
2012-12-31 02:03:46 PM  

italie: GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.


Lake Catherine had nearly every house wiped out by Katrina. The only one to survive fully intact was built with concrete pillars reinforced with a thick slab under it. The water cut out huge sections of the highway but left this house alone. The only major loss was water damage due to a roof leak.

And I'm not softselling the damage to that area. It was a near total wipeout.
 
2012-12-31 02:08:26 PM  
The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-31 02:08:52 PM  

gopher321: Just bash them over the head, wrap in plastic, sprinkle with quicklime and bury them under a new moon subby. You know how this works, c'mon.


lye. use lye. lime can and will preserve. lye = yum yum eaten up.

buy a few bottles of drain cleaner at ever weekly food shopping trip and stock it up, don't draw attention to yourself.

/ nj in the house yo
 
2012-12-31 02:13:49 PM  

abhorrent1: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

6" nails for shingles?


Here in FL since 2002 wind mitigation building rules for new construction require 8 in nails spaced 6 in apart for the decking, hurricane clips (metal plates) if not straps for the truss to rafter connection. Under those requirements you may lose some shingles in a hurricane but your roof will stay attached.
 
2012-12-31 02:23:34 PM  

Gulper Eel: the city is doing dumb shiat like issuing requests for proposals for a new 130-unit building right on the farking Brooklyn waterfront. This is almost up there on the stupid chart with New Orleans rebuilding in the Lower Ninth.


You can build large structures like that along the waterfront as long as you are somewhat smart about it.  The first two to three levels would need to be an open-faced parking garage built with steel reenforced concrete, with the living spaces above that.  The storm surge would just flow through the garage, minimizing stress on the structure and damage to habitable space.  You'd expect a minimal number of vehicles to be flooded since most people would be asked to evacuate, driving to higher ground.

In the link you provided, the project wants retail space on the ground floor.  That's where the grade-A stupid comes into play.   I can understand not wanting a retail desert near the waterfront, but that shiat will all be destroyed in a flood.
 
2012-12-31 02:24:00 PM  

clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]


Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.
 
2012-12-31 02:24:46 PM  

clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]


Because he's totally the one that's preventing the aid from getting to NJ.

Totally.

Dipshiat.
 
2012-12-31 02:28:08 PM  

GAT_00: Yep. Cantor blocked all aid to Joplin after the tornado there too, and to the best of my knowledge that block was never removed.


Seriously, Joplin never got any aid? That is sick.
 
2012-12-31 02:34:21 PM  

pciszek: GAT_00: Yep. Cantor blocked all aid to Joplin after the tornado there too, and to the best of my knowledge that block was never removed.

Seriously, Joplin never got any aid? That is sick.


Seriously, what do you not understand about the concept of INSURANCE!!!
 
2012-12-31 02:35:04 PM  
I wonder who gets money first....the people with damage to their property or all those areas and departments that they added money to the relief bill for like to study the mating habits of the leech who makes its habitat in the anus of a hippo.

And why is some upstater from district 20 the one they use a picture for....I wonder how much money her district put in for for "storm surge".
 
2012-12-31 02:36:40 PM  

clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]


He should have just stayed in D.C, so people like you could bash him for not caring.

Normal people don't give a fark what sore losers like you think.
 
2012-12-31 02:37:26 PM  
What or who is the FEMA aid for? For private homeowners or renters, etc?

I've always understood that if you don't purchase insurance to cover your home for earthquake, fire, flood, etc, that the homeowner would have to pay out of pocket to rebuild or make repairs with when these things happen.

I've heard people allege that the aid in this case is for people who didn't buy insurance. Is that correct?
 
2012-12-31 02:38:10 PM  

Giltric: I wonder who gets money first....the people with damage to their property or all those areas and departments that they added money to the relief bill for like to study the mating habits of the leech who makes its habitat in the anus of a hippo.

And why is some upstater from district 20 the one they use a picture for....I wonder how much money her district put in for for "storm surge".


Hahahahaha science is stupid. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to watch one of the five hundred TV channels I get while surfing the Internet and enjoying my lengthened life span.
 
2012-12-31 02:43:10 PM  
Looks like Joplin has received $250M in federal aid, if you read up on it:

Joplin Receives Federal Aid

So please stop saying Joplin received no federal help. This is not true.
 
2012-12-31 02:45:40 PM  

jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.


perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone
 
2012-12-31 02:46:26 PM  

Shadowknight: bootstrappy


damn, right in the boobies

i was guessing within 10 or so, but congrats
 
2012-12-31 02:48:07 PM  
Hee-haw!
Welcome to New Rome, suckers.
 
2012-12-31 02:49:45 PM  

Giltric: And why is some upstater from district 20 the one they use a picture for


Because she's not district 20 any more, she's a US senator.

A stone cold foxy senator.
 
2012-12-31 03:02:31 PM  

clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone


You thought Les MIserables was a comedy, didn't you?
 
2012-12-31 03:02:48 PM  

freewill: GAT_00:
This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?

It probably cost half a million more to do that.

If that's what it costs to build a house that won't fall down, then it seems like that's either what you're going to need to spend or you really shouldn't build there. We had a lot of people here building in known flood zones who, after they refused to buy insurance and their houses ended up caked in literal liquid shiat, explained themselves by complaining that they couldn't have afforded the homes if they had gotten the insurance.

Well, I guess you couldn't afford the homes then, huh? This should not be FEMA's problem.

That said, I don't think most Sandy victims could really see this coming.


Yup. Sandy caused stuff to happen here that nobody could remember seeing in the past several decades. Sure the risk was always there, but it's not like a storm like that is anywhere near commonplace.
 
2012-12-31 03:11:42 PM  

cryinoutloud: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

cryinoutloud
He should have just stayed in D.C, so people like you could bash him for not caring.

Normal people don't give a fark what sore losers like you think.


clane
Good one, you sound about as bright as a typical Obama Voter
pic.epicfail.com
 
2012-12-31 03:12:01 PM  

clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone


Wow, you are really, really dumb.

I mean like how dumb can someone be.

You are now the new standard for dumb.

Dummy.
 
2012-12-31 03:27:50 PM  

italie: GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.


You'll notice that most of the foundations are also gone in that photo.

Event that house is lucky. If that new channel right behind it had shifted 15 feet to the left, even that house would have been destroyed.
 
2012-12-31 03:37:50 PM  

cretinbob: Remember , The Republicans don't want them to get any disaster aid.

That part of their plan to avoid the "Fiscal Cliff" that they actually voted for.


Riiiiiight. Propose to cut some funding from a single program that, in some limited circumstances, can provide a small amount of disaster aid -- Rethuglicans don't want you to get ANY AID AT ALL!

Uh-huh. Right.
 
2012-12-31 03:40:04 PM  
If I'm ever in a position where I'm desperately waiting for a government handout, then I have failed.
 
2012-12-31 03:46:48 PM  

libranoelrose: clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

clane
perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone

libranoelrose
Wow, you are really, really dumb.

I mean like how dumb can someone be.

You are now the new standard for dumb.

Dummy.


clane
Umm yea, good intellectual debate. Don't feel bad all Liberals just resort to calling people names or correcting a mizzpelled word. It's ok though, it's not your fault, Liberals can't debate any issues because they are always on the wrong side.
 
2012-12-31 03:53:13 PM  

This text is now purple: italie: GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.

You'll notice that most of the foundations are also gone in that photo.

Event that house is lucky. If that new channel right behind it had shifted 15 feet to the left, even that house would have been destroyed.


Which was exactly my point. As long as you can keep it secure to the ground, building a wind resistant structure isn't that expensive.
 
2012-12-31 03:54:30 PM  

clane: libranoelrose: clane: jmr61: clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
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Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.

clane
perfect, spoken like a true liberal, don't give a crap how much anyone suffers as long as you get your free phone

libranoelrose
Wow, you are really, really dumb.

I mean like how dumb can someone be.

You are now the new standard for dumb.

Dummy.

clane
Umm yea, good intellectual debate. Don't feel bad all Liberals just resort to calling people names or correcting a mizzpelled word. It's ok though, it's not your fault, Liberals can't debate any issues because they are always on the wrong side.


-1/10
 
2012-12-31 04:28:22 PM  
So they can spend it all on strip clubs and forties of OE?  Sorry, libs, but I don't want my tax dollars going to a bunch of boogie woogies that don't want to work and only want to get free FEMA dollars.  That's how all of these people are.  Boogie woogies!
 
2012-12-31 04:29:32 PM  
How can we blame bush for this?
 
2012-12-31 04:48:36 PM  
The kicker:

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2012-12-31 04:51:15 PM  
So if I don't carry insurance, the Govt. will give me free money? SWEET!
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Hey , Rodgers...SUCK IT!
 
2012-12-31 05:17:05 PM  

Elephantman: So if I don't carry insurance, the Govt. will give me free money? SWEET!
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Hey , Rodgers...SUCK IT!


That would be a smart move for any country. Make insurance part of societys responsibilities paid for by taxes.
As it is now everyone who owns a house or a car or a body really, really, really should be insured (and sometimes have to be by law) meaning it sort of already is a extra tax; but a tax paid to a private party that makes huge profits. If the state instead took over the responsibilities we'd need to pay more taxes, sure, but since we're not paying the insurance companies' overheads we'd pay less total.
 
2012-12-31 05:41:21 PM  

adm_crunch: If I'm ever in a position where I'm desperately waiting for a government handout, then I have failed.


So you mean that when you get sick and the health care industry bleeds you of all your assets, you'll be a failure? That's pretty dumb.
 
2012-12-31 05:44:34 PM  

wickedragon: That would be a smart move for any country. Make insurance part of societys responsibilities paid for by taxes.


They should do the same for insurance against old age, disability, unemployment, and health care expenses.
 
2012-12-31 05:52:51 PM  

freewill: GAT_00:
This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?

It probably cost half a million more to do that.

If that's what it costs to build a house that won't fall down, then it seems like that's either what you're going to need to spend or you really shouldn't build there. We had a lot of people here building in known flood zones who, after they refused to buy insurance and their houses ended up caked in literal liquid shiat, explained themselves by complaining that they couldn't have afforded the homes if they had gotten the insurance.

Well, I guess you couldn't afford the homes then, huh? This should not be FEMA's problem.

That said, I don't think most Sandy victims could really see this coming.


Both of these.

Yes, insurance in a flood zone is very high; yes, building an entirely flood-proof (hurricane-proof, earthquake-proof) house is expensive. Some people can't afford to go the whole way. If a person is in a lower income bracket, the home is their sole residence, they're carrying minimum homeowner's insurance--sure, I'll cut them some slack. Or if the storm is a 500-year event that probably nothing could have survived, sure.

These people who have vacation homes right on the beach and insist they can't possibly afford extra insurance, or who won't spring for any insurance at all because they're "just too poor" or whatever--nope, sorry. If you own a home, you should find a way to get some kind of insurance, and if you have to have a fancy second house right on the water then it's on you to be sure you're covered, not mine.
 
2012-12-31 05:53:21 PM  

mittromneysdog: wickedragon: That would be a smart move for any country. Make insurance part of societys responsibilities paid for by taxes.

They should do the same for insurance against old age, disability, unemployment, and health care expenses.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-31 06:32:38 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: abhorrent1: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

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6" nails for shingles?

Here in FL since 2002 wind mitigation building rules for new construction require 8 in nails spaced 6 in apart for the decking, hurricane clips (metal plates) if not straps for the truss to rafter connection. Under those requirements you may lose some shingles in a hurricane but your roof will stay attached.


My dad and I built a house in Panama City back in the late 70's using that technique. We had metal plates reinforcing all the trusses, and metal plates tying the trusses to the walls. Everything was tied to other structural units (roof to walls, walls to floor, etc) with metal straps. The shingles were attached the usual way, but IIRC my dad never had any damage to the house through the 80's and 90's from the various hurricanes that hit the area (he sold it in the 90's).
 
2012-12-31 07:01:38 PM  

libranoelrose: Kill all Republicans.


You're a disgusting ugly person.
 
2012-12-31 07:08:44 PM  
But if you're an Alaska fisherman, cheer up! They have allotted aid for you in the Hurricane Sandy relief bill.
 
2012-12-31 07:39:14 PM  
New Yorkers always sound so darn greedy asking for a billion here, a billion there...
 
2012-12-31 08:43:28 PM  
Yah I ramble a lot, but it's why I Fark. I'm really trying to help this time though and not just blab or be a pain.

Response is meant for subby, his houseguests and anyone else in the disaster zone.

May this information be used accordingly because it is one of the few, maybe the only time I have ever been useful in a practical way on Fark, and hopefully it will be the last, lol.

I really hope these people get their money sooner rather than later so they can at least partially repair the damage to their homes. I've been seeing a lot of damaged properties coming across my desk lately and as I deal with foreclosed/bank owned homes in the disaster area, the bank and HUD are only willing to do the barest minimum of what it takes to preserve them. Move a tree off of a roof? Sure, I'm allowed to approve that. Repair the caved in roof so that the structure doesn't suffer further damage therefore making it pretty much condemned/unsellable/collapse in upon itself? No way-I'd lose my job if I approved it even though it makes perfect sense in a sane world. Nope. Slap a tarp on it and call it good (structural inspection, nah, too much money!). If the banks are coming in with that approach on vacant properties, I shudder to think what the government is using as its evaluation metrics for inhabited homes that are currently non-inhabitable. Heaven only knows it can take an insurance company months and months to complete a perfectly valid claim and they dispute them all the time. If a person can board and wint and make the place secure, your odds go way up on moving back in but don't count on FEMA, I guess.

Unsolicited advice follows:

Vacant properties left alone and untouched, sadly, do not maintain nor preserve themselves but decay at an alarming rate from the humblest cottage to the biggest McMansion. The longer the government takes to get these folks their money to repair, the worse the ruin will be and there will be no redress for homeowners or renters with the government sitting on their hands over it. I would also say ask your guests if they know how to board/wint a property. HUD and FEMA specs are both available online. If the government isn't doing anything, at the minimum they need to board up their windows and wint. Reply in the thread if you want some help on this or reply to "Iadara at g mail dot com"-a winterization and boarding shouldn't cost much more than $150-$200 bucks for a large/generous home (2000+ sq ft) at the hardware store and a little bit of elbow grease-frozen pipes will destroy a property pretty much for good and I can explain to your guests how to do it if it hasn't been taken care of yet. Your friends will need someone with an air compressor, drill and a few other basic tools, and a helping hand or two for the boarding part. Or, if you don't want to talk to me, use Google, but if winting vacant properties, make sure to use pink, not green antifreeze do it when the ambiant temp in the house is over about 52 degress, and shut off the water. Inside of the house if there's a shut off and most homes have a manual shut off-if in doubt, tap the walls and if that doesn't work, find a plumber who will come out on a service call for max $150 bucks, it may save your home. Don't just trust the city to have turned it off at the street, there is still water in your system and needs to be blown out (min 35 PSI). wrapping your pipes in insulation will not help it. They will still burst. Turn all the breakers off, unplug everything. Wint, board and get out of Dodge and back to the sofa bed. Wait and be patient. Go by once a week to inspect. Report vandalism not only to the police but to your bank. Always. If you live in a flood prone area (possibly some of our subby's houseguests) call the electric company to keep power on to your sump pump and well at nominal cost.

Good luck!

final hints:

and I know I'll get in trouble for it one way or another but bear in mind I do not encourage nor endorse any criminal activity

If a home has been condemned as uninhabitable by the city/municipality/county/whatever, my company still sends our contractors in as it is bank owned; I would think this may extend to personal homeowners but I'm not sure. This widespread ordinance is meant to discourage squatting unless your home is *truly* unsafe. I would still argue that if your door is kicked in, it is in your best interest as well as the banks' to secure your own home. Exterior doorways are on average 36x84. Your doorway may vary. Measure twice, cut once. Do not use OSB, you will be re-condemned all over again with higher fines. Secure the back door or side door with a deadbolt and secure the front door with a padlock and hasp and check daily. your door may be kicked in. Talk to your neighbors, even if you were the "bad" homewoner on the block. Chances are, if you're on Fark, you're ok and your neighbors at least know you even if they don't talk to you.


//broken copper pipes are a fortune to replace. HWT not so much, but still. drain it anyway.
///pull all of your furniture and do not cover it with dropcloths (if you do, treat them with mothballs, rat posion, whatever will not stain and not harm your children/pets), all of it, back from the walls, treat all surfaces with a fungicide/bleach/Clorox solution whatever thrills you, treat it monthly. You may still have to repaint the entire danged thing in a few months with Kilz and new paint anyway so it hardly matters.
////key a back or side door based on what your attorney or realtor tells you. your stuff may not be moved unless you give the go-ahead. FHA loaners, get on the phone. Sorry, I don't have much about that except that it is a different set of rules.
 
2012-12-31 10:11:52 PM  
So how does this federal aid work? Is it just free money? Is it just for home owners? Is it like you actually had flood insurance when you actually didn't and couldn't? Is it for full amount of estimate repair work, a percentage? Anybody been through applying for this stuff?
 
2012-12-31 11:24:00 PM  

Mrbogey: libranoelrose: Kill all Republicans.

You're a disgusting ugly person.


I know that, but I don't think you've ever seen me.
 
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