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(New York Daily News)   If you're a victim of Hurricane Sandy and you think you're going to get federal aid soon, think again. Subby's not asking for it, but the people living in his house, who lost their homes are getting a little antsy   (nydailynews.com) divider line 88
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2012-12-31 07:22:14 AM
We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.
 
2012-12-31 07:44:56 AM
So, party at Subby's house, then?
 
2012-12-31 07:53:30 AM
Just bash them over the head, wrap in plastic, sprinkle with quicklime and bury them under a new moon subby. You know how this works, c'mon.
 
2012-12-31 08:04:47 AM

gopher321: Just bash them over the head, wrap in plastic, sprinkle with quicklime and bury them under a new moon subby. You know how this works, c'mon.


That's funny because I have a sign in my back yard that says to all youts that visit my pool and diving board that says: You f'up, you go to the bay.
/Stated in bold letters
 
2012-12-31 08:45:54 AM

Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.


And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.
 
2012-12-31 10:59:09 AM

GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.


I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.
 
2012-12-31 11:19:06 AM

Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.


Yep. Cantor blocked all aid to Joplin after the tornado there too, and to the best of my knowledge that block was never removed.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:00 AM

Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.


And since they are in D territory it is hard to scare the GOP into helping them.
 
2012-12-31 11:24:06 AM

EvilEgg: Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.

And since they are in D territory it is hard to scare the GOP into helping them.


I also suppose they are hoping Obama gets the blame for that too? The American Right is a beast that should not be.
 
2012-12-31 11:25:04 AM
Remember , The Republicans don't want them to get any disaster aid.

That part of their plan to avoid the "Fiscal Cliff" that they actually voted for.
 
2012-12-31 11:26:26 AM

AlwaysRightBoy: That's funny because I have a sign in my back yard that says to all youts that visit my pool and diving board that says: You f'up, you go to the bay.
/Stated in bold letters


www.smithandhasslerblog.com
 
2012-12-31 11:27:58 AM

cretinbob: Remember , The Republicans don't want them to get any disaster aid.

That part of their plan to avoid the "Fiscal Cliff" that they actually voted for.


While I'm glad my wife will still get a paycheck and we will be able to pay our bills, that's freaking sick. God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.
 
2012-12-31 11:55:31 AM

Shadowknight: God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.


Another article I read suggested that Republican Congressmen want the states to pick up more of their own disaster related bills.  If they feel the pain, perhaps they will be a little more wise about how they allow building in areas prone to both coastal and inland flooding.  It is just another target of their "starve the beast" mentality.

I'm sympathetic to the people pummeled by Sandy, but I am also tired of seeing the feds shell out billions for people's stupid building mistakes.

i2.cdn.turner.com

This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?
 
2012-12-31 12:04:24 PM

Dinjiin: Shadowknight: God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.

Another article I read suggested that Republican Congressmen want the states to pick up more of their own disaster related bills.  If they feel the pain, perhaps they will be a little more wise about how they allow building in areas prone to both coastal and inland flooding.  It is just another target of their "starve the beast" mentality.

I'm sympathetic to the people pummeled by Sandy, but I am also tired of seeing the feds shell out billions for people's stupid building mistakes.

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?


It probably cost half a million more to do that.
 
2012-12-31 12:31:12 PM

Shadowknight: While I'm glad my wife will still get a paycheck and we will be able to pay our bills, that's freaking sick. God knows you could cut a jet or two and pay the military members, but that won't happen.


The Pentagon WANTS their budget cut. The House GOP says no. Go figure. Because the military contractors say no.
I have no problem with my tax dollars helping you and yours temporarily in times of crisis. That's the American spirit, we help each other out. I think people are getting it again after the years of greed and hypocrisy. Taxes aren't too high, wages are too low. I can barely afford to live not because too big a chunk is going to the government, but because too big a chunk is going into some CEOs pocket. Yes, profit is good, but when you fark people over so they can't buy your product, what the hell are you going to do next?
Anyway, no point in going on. I hope now that 12/21/2012 has come and gone people will slowly get their minds back and off the hoarding mentality.
Gotta have hope.
 
2012-12-31 12:31:49 PM

GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.


Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

www.texasgulfcoastonline.com
 
2012-12-31 12:39:31 PM

Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]


I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.
 
2012-12-31 01:06:59 PM

GAT_00: I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


Those were the starting prices I saw when I did a Google-fu for new builds.  Couldn't find exact costs for the retrofit job the homeowners in the Hurricane Ike photo had done.  And actually, looking at a post-disaster photo of their house, it looks as if they might be using 14' wood stilts and not steel or steel reinforced concrete. You can see the damage to the stilts holding their deck up, exposing the wood underneath. OTOH, they may be using wood just for the deck and steel for the house proper. Hard to tell.
 
2012-12-31 01:14:40 PM

Dinjiin: Try less than $100K.


Yes, but $100k when? 1986?
 
2012-12-31 01:19:27 PM
and I'd like to see the inside. iirc the inside is gutted. The outside is severely damaged. Yes it's very impressive, and as a Gulf Coaster myself I know with the proper building it can be done.
But having over built the barrier islands still causes hella problems.
 
2012-12-31 01:33:20 PM
Super Storm Sandy.
 
2012-12-31 01:33:54 PM
Get to the end of the line you guidos.
We have people up here in Vermont that are still waiting on their approved aid from Irene.
 
2012-12-31 01:37:53 PM
I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.
 
2012-12-31 01:38:32 PM
Typical liberal cities can't get their shiat together after a bit of water. That's what happens when you enable losers.
 
2012-12-31 01:38:50 PM

Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]


If he really wanted to make it hurricane-proof, it'd be rounded and less angular/flat; give the wind and water less to push against.
 
2012-12-31 01:39:05 PM

KiwDaWabbit: I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.


Sorry, that was with regards to the fiscal cliff.

Oh, well, every thread is about the fiscal cliff today, right?
 
2012-12-31 01:39:25 PM
Funny how whenever there's a disaster anywhere else in the world, we always seem to send tons of aid (even to Iran after their Earthquake, in which they told us "DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!" as their thank-you), yet anything equally disastrous that happens in the US, people are told to get bootstrappy and DIAF.

I call it the "Pizza Hut Doctrine", where Pizza Hut only allows the fun and interesting variations of pizza in foreign markets only, but all we get here in the US to chose from is "crap disc A" or "crap disc B". It's like they value people in other countries over it's own citizens here.
 
2012-12-31 01:41:55 PM

KiwDaWabbit: I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.


I currently make 30k a year. I'm having a hard time finding people who make 500k trading incomes with me so they can have my lower tax liability.
 
2012-12-31 01:42:28 PM
Mitt Romney warned us this would happen. These darn people want the government to give them everything.
 
2012-12-31 01:45:13 PM

SuperT: KiwDaWabbit: I can't wait for all of the people who make $30K a year (not that there's anything wrong with that, 'cause there's not) get outraged because their taxes for when they plan on making $450K a year or more are gonna get raised.

I currently make 30k a year. I'm having a hard time finding people who make 500k trading incomes with me so they can have my lower tax liability.


Yeah, not meant to be a slight on you...just those who constantly vote against their own interests
 
2012-12-31 01:45:37 PM

Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]


6" nails for shingles?
 
2012-12-31 01:45:41 PM
GAT_00:
This guy figured out how to build a hurricane resistant house.  Why couldn't his neighbors?

It probably cost half a million more to do that.


If that's what it costs to build a house that won't fall down, then it seems like that's either what you're going to need to spend or you really shouldn't build there. We had a lot of people here building in known flood zones who, after they refused to buy insurance and their houses ended up caked in literal liquid shiat, explained themselves by complaining that they couldn't have afforded the homes if they had gotten the insurance.

Well, I guess you couldn't afford the homes then, huh? This should not be FEMA's problem.

That said, I don't think most Sandy victims could really see this coming.
 
2012-12-31 01:45:54 PM

GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.



You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.
 
2012-12-31 01:46:08 PM

TV's Vinnie: Funny how whenever there's a disaster anywhere else in the world, we always seem to send tons of aid (even to Iran after their Earthquake, in which they told us "DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!" as their thank-you), yet anything equally disastrous that happens in the US, people are told to get bootstrappy and DIAF.

I call it the "Pizza Hut Doctrine", where Pizza Hut only allows the fun and interesting variations of pizza in foreign markets only, but all we get here in the US to chose from is "crap disc A" or "crap disc B". It's like they value people in other countries over it's own citizens here.




You sound fat.
 
2012-12-31 01:49:45 PM
dispersed disbursed

Srsly, language is dying.
 
2012-12-31 01:49:52 PM
What is wrong with people these days? Looking for handouts and for someone to do the work for them instead of getting off their lazy asses and creating a better tomorrow? You don't need money to survive, but rather instinct, creativity, and motiva... yeah, ok, so most people are completely useless and need these handouts. Fair enough.
 
2012-12-31 01:50:44 PM
If you own beach front property, then you can afford private insurance or build a stronger house.

In other countries, often no homes are built next to the water....for a reason.
 
2012-12-31 01:51:10 PM

EvilEgg: Shadowknight: GAT_00: Shadowknight: We'll duh, subby, there's important political grandstanding to do over the fiscal cliff first. Tell your house guests to get more bootstrappy.

And Republicans have publicly declared that victims of a disaster don't deserve any help.

I had not heard anything about this, but it scares me that I am unsurprised.

And since they are in D territory it is hard to scare the GOP into helping them.


Why should they?
Those people dont vote for them let the nubian save them summon the magic negro
 
2012-12-31 01:51:39 PM
Kill all Republicans.
 
2012-12-31 01:53:31 PM
Federal aid for disaster relief is such a joke it shouldn't exist at all. I filed a claim with most of my neighbors after two huge floods in '08. (We don't live in a naturally flood prone area).

Destroyed an accessory structure on my property, and completely filled my basement. After ~two years~ I was offered a voucher for mold inspection. One of my neighbors got a check around the same time for $512 to replace his basement carpet.

Both of us spent over $30K in repairs out of pocket.

//Both of us now have flood insurance, lesson learned.
 
2012-12-31 01:53:43 PM

TV's Vinnie: Funny how whenever there's a disaster anywhere else in the world, we always seem to send tons of aid (even to Iran after their Earthquake, in which they told us "DEATH TO THE GREAT SATAN!" as their thank-you), yet anything equally disastrous that happens in the US, people are told to get bootstrappy and DIAF.

I call it the "Pizza Hut Doctrine", where Pizza Hut only allows the fun and interesting variations of pizza in foreign markets only, but all we get here in the US to chose from is "crap disc A" or "crap disc B". It's like they value people in other countries over it's own citizens here.



i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-31 01:54:02 PM
I'd be reluctant to shovel money at New York knowing that even now the city is doing dumb shiat like  issuing requests for proposals for a new 130-unit building right on the farking Brooklyn waterfront. This is almost up there on the stupid chart with New Orleans rebuilding in the Lower Ninth.

Seriously, if developments like that with high six-figure apartments are getting one penny of federal subsidy via flood insurance or whatever's in that $60B bill, then fark the city and double-fark Bloomberg and Cuomo and Shelly Silver and the crooks on the city council (and triple-fark the developers) until they start taking preparedness seriously.
 
2012-12-31 02:00:45 PM
This guys a Douche, but at least he has an excuse...

becauseracecar.org

I wonder what excuse the Hurricane Sandy people have?
 
2012-12-31 02:03:46 PM

italie: GAT_00: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

I'm familiar with the house and how it was done, but I'm surprised it was that cheap.


You'd be surprised how far a couple of Simpson ties and proper bolting to your foundation will go. A few ~hundred~ dollars in extra hardware can go a tremendous way in minimizing or eliminating sustained wind damage.

The flood surge is the hard one to overcome.


Lake Catherine had nearly every house wiped out by Katrina. The only one to survive fully intact was built with concrete pillars reinforced with a thick slab under it. The water cut out huge sections of the highway but left this house alone. The only major loss was water damage due to a roof leak.

And I'm not softselling the damage to that area. It was a near total wipeout.
 
2012-12-31 02:08:26 PM
The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-31 02:08:52 PM

gopher321: Just bash them over the head, wrap in plastic, sprinkle with quicklime and bury them under a new moon subby. You know how this works, c'mon.


lye. use lye. lime can and will preserve. lye = yum yum eaten up.

buy a few bottles of drain cleaner at ever weekly food shopping trip and stock it up, don't draw attention to yourself.

/ nj in the house yo
 
2012-12-31 02:13:49 PM

abhorrent1: Dinjiin: GAT_00: It probably cost half a million more to do that.

Try less than $100K.  Most of the cost comes from the reinforced steel columns, deep bore concrete foundations, shatter resistant windows and labor to install the metal strapping.

[www.texasgulfcoastonline.com image 650x352]

6" nails for shingles?


Here in FL since 2002 wind mitigation building rules for new construction require 8 in nails spaced 6 in apart for the decking, hurricane clips (metal plates) if not straps for the truss to rafter connection. Under those requirements you may lose some shingles in a hurricane but your roof will stay attached.
 
2012-12-31 02:23:34 PM

Gulper Eel: the city is doing dumb shiat like issuing requests for proposals for a new 130-unit building right on the farking Brooklyn waterfront. This is almost up there on the stupid chart with New Orleans rebuilding in the Lower Ninth.


You can build large structures like that along the waterfront as long as you are somewhat smart about it.  The first two to three levels would need to be an open-faced parking garage built with steel reenforced concrete, with the living spaces above that.  The storm surge would just flow through the garage, minimizing stress on the structure and damage to habitable space.  You'd expect a minimal number of vehicles to be flooded since most people would be asked to evacuate, driving to higher ground.

In the link you provided, the project wants retail space on the ground floor.  That's where the grade-A stupid comes into play.   I can understand not wanting a retail desert near the waterfront, but that shiat will all be destroyed in a flood.
 
2012-12-31 02:24:00 PM

clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]


Actually the good news is he WON THE ELECTION!

Enjoy your misery.
 
2012-12-31 02:24:46 PM

clane: The good news is Obama got his photo opp just before the election.
[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]


Because he's totally the one that's preventing the aid from getting to NJ.

Totally.

Dipshiat.
 
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