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(Reuters)   The pro-marijuana campaign got so high in 2012 with victories in Washington state and Colorado, it's now looking to widen its scope for 2013   (reuters.com) divider line 104
    More: Spiffy, Colorado, Drug Policy Alliance, Marijuana Policy Project, marijuana campaign, marijuana dispensary, law reform, Board of Equalization, Ethan Nadelmann  
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2012-12-31 11:10:57 AM
If the tax revenue from legal marijuana is good enough, the other states won't be able to help themselves from taking a look at it.
 
2012-12-31 11:35:50 AM

basemetal: If the tax revenue from legal marijuana is good enough, the other states won't be able to help themselves from taking a look at it.


Pretty much this.
 
2012-12-31 11:46:09 AM
You'd think we'd have learned by now that prohibition is a good idea and that it always works.
 
2012-12-31 12:11:25 PM
Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint! None of you will ever know the anguish of having to find a place to put his cremains in a tasteful display! (Which apparently cannot be posted anymore under threat of banhammer. Pity.)

You potheads should watch the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS and take a DARE program. It'll really open your eyes!

/snicker.
 
2012-12-31 12:17:21 PM

basemetal: If the tax revenue from legal marijuana is good enough, the other states won't be able to help themselves from taking a look at it.


Decriminalization's going to be a lot easier than that. Retail sale of Marijuana will require the FDA's blessing for the sale of a previously prescribed substance OTC as a Dietary Supplement-style product.
 
2012-12-31 12:57:09 PM
Far out, man.
 
2012-12-31 12:57:57 PM

BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint! None of you will ever know the anguish of having to find a place to put his cremains in a tasteful display! (Which apparently cannot be posted anymore under threat of banhammer. Pity.)

You potheads should watch the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS and take a DARE program. It'll really open your eyes!

/snicker.


It was very weird here in Washington State: A similar measure to the one that passed this year was soundly defeated in 2010(?) with heavy law enforcement advertising.

This time there was virtually no resistance. There was one guy making the rounds and fighting the good fight on the local talk shows, and I did not see one ad opposing 502.
 
2012-12-31 12:58:18 PM

BronyMedic: the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS


I like to get blazed and watch the musical version.
 
2012-12-31 12:58:34 PM

BronyMedic: None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint!


I support your assertion because you are absolutely right: NOBODY will EVER know that pain. hehe.

/good one.
 
2012-12-31 01:01:18 PM

MFAWG: I did not see one ad opposing 502.


You didn't go to Hempfest this last year then.  The SO and I made sure to visit the pro- and con-booths for 502 this year, and found that when we visited the pro-booth or made it look like we were pro-, we got harassed by the con-people.  As in, giant guy standing two inches away from me yelling that wanting to legalize pot is "wrong" and basically admitting that he likes to drive around stoned.  The nice person at the pro-booth offered to give the creepy guy the rundown on the science behind the whole DUI part of it, but Mr. Con simply wouldn't have any.

/tl;dr people fighting against it couldn't even articulate why it was bad
 
2012-12-31 01:01:30 PM
It's always amazed me that a constitutional amendment was required to ban booze, yet isn't required to ban marijuana.
 
2012-12-31 01:02:21 PM
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The Feds will put a stop to these shenanigans.
 
2012-12-31 01:04:44 PM

BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint! None of you will ever know the anguish of having to find a place to put his cremains in a tasteful display! (Which apparently cannot be posted anymore under threat of banhammer. Pity.)

You potheads should watch the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS and take a DARE program. It'll really open your eyes!

/snicker.


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My state, MD, didn't get medical MJ until we finally voted in a Republican gov., and the current Dem gov is doing everything he can to stoSp medical MJ. Same goes for CA. So yah, its all about those evil Republicans.

/Derp
//Derp
///Derp
 
2012-12-31 01:05:39 PM
One of those is the California Police Chiefs Association.
"I have yet to hear a legalization proponent talk about how society will be enhanced, how the real social problems facing our country will be improved by legalizing yet another substance that compromises people's five senses," said John Lovell, government relations manager for the group.


And how exactly has the War on Drugstm"enhanced" society? Ohh that's right, it hasn't.

Shut up John
 
2012-12-31 01:08:10 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: You'd think we'd have learned by now that prohibition is a good idea and that it always works.


I and I agree.
 
2012-12-31 01:08:28 PM

david_gaithersburg: BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint! None of you will ever know the anguish of having to find a place to put his cremains in a tasteful display! (Which apparently cannot be posted anymore under threat of banhammer. Pity.)

You potheads should watch the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS and take a DARE program. It'll really open your eyes!

/snicker.

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My state, MD, didn't get medical MJ until we finally voted in a Republican gov., and the current Dem gov is doing everything he can to stoSp medical MJ. Same goes for CA. So yah, its all about those evil Republicans.

/Derp
//Derp
///Derp


It's whoever is most in the pocket of the private prison industry and/or police unions, affiliation doesn't matter.
 
2012-12-31 01:08:37 PM

BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.


The irony is that even if PA legalized marijuana, joints would still be illegal damn near anywhere due to the smoking ban enacted by the democrats.
 
2012-12-31 01:09:10 PM
I hope that, for a while, other states DON'T decriminalize pot because I'd like fewer competitors for WA in this fledgling new industry. It'd be awesome if pot taxes and increased business activity revitalizes the economy and rescues this state from its fiscal problems...before there are too many other fingers in the pot pie.

//Monopolies ain't so bad!
 
2012-12-31 01:12:16 PM

basemetal: If the tax revenue from legal marijuana is good enough, the other states won't be able to help themselves from taking a look at it.


And if enough states cant help themselves from taking a look at it, I'm hopeful that the fed will then have to take a look at its own classification of pot...

/hopeful, not naive. I know they probably won't.
//time will tell...
 
2012-12-31 01:12:41 PM

david_gaithersburg: BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint! None of you will ever know the anguish of having to find a place to put his cremains in a tasteful display! (Which apparently cannot be posted anymore under threat of banhammer. Pity.)

You potheads should watch the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS and take a DARE program. It'll really open your eyes!

/snicker.

.
My state, MD, didn't get medical MJ until we finally voted in a Republican gov., and the current Dem gov is doing everything he can to stoSp medical MJ. Same goes for CA. So yah, its all about those evil Republicans.

/Derp
//Derp
///Derp


Because governors of both parties never go against what their parties want on a national level for what they perceive to be personal gains at the local level.

At least as a national party the Democrats have been pretty mum on the issue and aren't regurgitating 50 yeas of disproven propaganda regarding marijuana.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:21 PM

BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint! None of you will ever know the anguish of having to find a place to put his cremains in a tasteful display! (Which apparently cannot be posted anymore under threat of banhammer. Pity.)

You potheads should watch the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS and take a DARE program. It'll really open your eyes!

/snicker.


Not to mention the dirty marijuana needles littering the playground.
 
2012-12-31 01:14:09 PM

This text is now purple: BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

The irony is that even if PA legalized marijuana, joints would still be illegal damn near anywhere due to the smoking ban enacted by the democrats.


Betty Crocker provides other options.
 
2012-12-31 01:14:25 PM
Mind if I do a j?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 01:15:38 PM
I predict the big pharma companies will be HOWLING monkey mad over it all as they watch the sale of their products take a real hit (pun intended).
They will harp the living crap out of the "smoking anything is cancer ZOMG", to which many will "i'll risk that against the litany of 'side-effects' your craps lists".
It will be a good day indeed. I will start a grow business that meets and exceeds all applicable laws the minute the laws are printed and in effect.
 
2012-12-31 01:15:40 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: At least as a national party the Democrats have been pretty mum on the issue and aren't regurgitating 50 yeas of disproven propaganda regarding marijuana.


.

(Sarcasm alert) All of those people in CA that have had their businesses destroyed by the feds in the past three years will be happy to hear this news.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:00 PM

The Shatner Incident: Mind if I do a j?


Only if you promise to clean up the mess you'll make when you cook it up.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:27 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I like to get blazed and watch the musical version.


THERE IS A MUSICAL VERSION!?

TO GOOGLE!
 
2012-12-31 01:17:38 PM

david_gaithersburg: Crotchrocket Slim: At least as a national party the Democrats have been pretty mum on the issue and aren't regurgitating 50 yeas of disproven propaganda regarding marijuana.

.

(Sarcasm alert) All of those people in CA that have had their businesses destroyed by the feds in the past three years will be happy to hear this news.


Yeah, for real.

The main benefit that I can see if legalization occurred would be that people would stop talking about it like it's some great and new thing and just use it as they please.

I hardly ever hear anyone bragging about getting drunk last night but damn, everyone makes a point to say they smoke pot. Can't wait until it's just as commonplace.

/I smoke pot.
 
2012-12-31 01:18:29 PM
Tomato plant. Pot plant. Tomato plant. Pot plant...

/screw 'em. I don't need permission
 
2012-12-31 01:20:48 PM

This text is now purple: BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

The irony is that even if PA legalized marijuana, joints would still be illegal damn near anywhere due to the smoking ban enacted by the democrats.


vaporizer is the way to go anyway. no nasty crap in your lungs, no smell on your clothes, no burned fingers - you know, from what I've read. I wouldn't actually know.
 
2012-12-31 01:21:18 PM
Well, here in New Mexico our Republican Governor tried to eliminate what is considered to be a model Medical Cannabis program, She had a legislator bring up a bill and the committee rooms were so packed with Veterans and others that he quietly recalled the bill! I hope that prohibition ends very soon, as the War on Drugs (and some plants) remains a failure! (except to cartels, LEO's and for-profit prisons)
 
2012-12-31 01:22:55 PM

david_gaithersburg:  Doesn't understand the art of sarcasm.

Oh, bless your little heart. I guess those big, bad dumbocrats removed your humerus bone, didn't they?

gja: I predict the big pharma companies will be HOWLING monkey mad over it all as they watch the sale of their products take a real hit (pun intended).
They will harp the living crap out of the "smoking anything is cancer ZOMG", to which many will "i'll risk that against the litany of 'side-effects' your craps lists".
It will be a good day indeed. I will start a grow business that meets and exceeds all applicable laws the minute the laws are printed and in effect.


i306.photobucket.com

Big Pharma won't have anything to lose here. The potential money to be made on exploring new avenues of use for Cannabanoids, and new synthetics that are far more effective than "natural" cannabanoids contained in plants now that research can take place in the US without having to have a literal act of congress to do so (See the University of Mississippi's Pot Project) will far outweigh the potential loss.

In addition, I think you have a sorely misinformed opinion on just how broad the uses for Medicinal Marijuana are. In reality, legalized marijuana will replace a small number of medications for a select few conditions, and will be used as an adjunctive therapy on many others. It's not a magical pancea for things.

So the idea that "Big Pharma" is conspiring to keep pot illegal is a laughable farce.
 
2012-12-31 01:24:06 PM
I hope they come to New Jersey. I'll provide the munchies.
 
2012-12-31 01:24:28 PM

Rogue Surf: Well, here in New Mexico our Republican Governor tried to eliminate what is considered to be a model Medical Cannabis program, She had a legislator bring up a bill and the committee rooms were so packed with Veterans and others that he quietly recalled the bill! I hope that prohibition ends very soon, as the War on Drugs (and some plants) remains a failure! (except to cartels, LEO's and for-profit prisons)


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Its a shame that this Republican gov. can't run for president. Link
 
2012-12-31 01:26:09 PM

This text is now purple:

The irony is that even if PA legalized marijuana, joints would still be illegal damn near anywhere due to the smoking ban enacted by the democrats.


Funny, 'cause its a big fine for smoking a cig ($250), but not a j ($25)
 
2012-12-31 01:26:20 PM

david_gaithersburg: Crotchrocket Slim: At least as a national party the Democrats have been pretty mum on the issue and aren't regurgitating 50 yeas of disproven propaganda regarding marijuana.

.

(Sarcasm alert) All of those people in CA that have had their businesses destroyed by the feds in the past three years will be happy to hear this news.


... you're not talking about the actions of elected officials anymore, but of autonomous law enforcement agents, and in this political climate it's not like less strict director could be appointed to the DEA by the President. You're not even talking about what was being discussed when you hopped onto this tangent any more.

Face it you're nothing more than a BSABSVR poster with nothing to add to this conversation.
 
2012-12-31 01:27:18 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: You didn't go to Hempfest this last year then.


I knew a couple of folks who had booths at Hempfest who were pro-legalization, but were against the wording in the initiative.  They weren't very vocal about it, though.  In the end, they held their noses and voted for it since a defeat would have been seen as a win for prohibitionists.
 
2012-12-31 01:28:46 PM

This text is now purple: The irony is that even if PA legalized marijuana, joints would still be illegal damn near anywhere due to the smoking ban enacted by the democrats.


gja: They will harp the living crap out of the "smoking anything is cancer ZOMG", to which many will "i'll risk that against the litany of 'side-effects' your craps lists".



Sounds like y'all never heard of vaporizing.

/google mflb... I'd say "its the joint" but its actually the antithesis of it...
 
2012-12-31 01:28:51 PM

Dinjiin: The My Little Pony Killer: You didn't go to Hempfest this last year then.

I knew a couple of folks who had booths at Hempfest who were pro-legalization, but were against the wording in the initiative.  They weren't very vocal about it, though.  In the end, they held their noses and voted for it since a defeat would have been seen as a win for prohibitionists.


Aww man, we missed those booths then.   It would have been cool to get their perspective as well, instead of the black-and-white we walked away from the whole thing with.
 
2012-12-31 01:28:53 PM
I have a serious question for some of the people in the states where pot is legal. If the company you work for drug tests you and you come back positive, can they fire you since it's still illegal under federal law? I have never gotten an answer or is this something that will probably be fought in the courts in the future. And the companies that are in those states that have federal contracts? Can the feds hold money from them for not testing?
 
2012-12-31 01:29:30 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: david_gaithersburg: Crotchrocket Slim: At least as a national party the Democrats have been pretty mum on the issue and aren't regurgitating 50 yeas of disproven propaganda regarding marijuana.

.

(Sarcasm alert) All of those people in CA that have had their businesses destroyed by the feds in the past three years will be happy to hear this news.

... you're not talking about the actions of elected officials anymore, but of autonomous law enforcement agents, and in this political climate it's not like less strict director could be appointed to the DEA by the President. You're not even talking about what was being discussed when you hopped onto this tangent any more.

Face it you're nothing more than a BSABSVR poster with nothing to add to this conversation.


assets.nydailynews.com
 
2012-12-31 01:30:56 PM
I'm rather puzzled why legalization failed in Oregon this year, we've had medical marijuana for years.

But, as several people have pointed out, DEA loves to raid dispensaries and they will not stop until the law is changed at the Federal level. I figure it will take another 20 years before enough of the angry, old, white congress-critters die.
 
2012-12-31 01:31:13 PM

david_gaithersburg: Crotchrocket Slim: david_gaithersburg: Crotchrocket Slim: At least as a national party the Democrats have been pretty mum on the issue and aren't regurgitating 50 yeas of disproven propaganda regarding marijuana.

.

(Sarcasm alert) All of those people in CA that have had their businesses destroyed by the feds in the past three years will be happy to hear this news.

... you're not talking about the actions of elected officials anymore, but of autonomous law enforcement agents, and in this political climate it's not like less strict director could be appointed to the DEA by the President. You're not even talking about what was being discussed when you hopped onto this tangent any more.

Face it you're nothing more than a BSABSVR poster with nothing to add to this conversation.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x468]


I. even. addressed. him. Way to shill while in denial though.
 
2012-12-31 01:31:18 PM

david_gaithersburg: Crotchrocket Slim: david_gaithersburg: Crotchrocket Slim: At least as a national party the Democrats have been pretty mum on the issue and aren't regurgitating 50 yeas of disproven propaganda regarding marijuana.

.

(Sarcasm alert) All of those people in CA that have had their businesses destroyed by the feds in the past three years will be happy to hear this news.

... you're not talking about the actions of elected officials anymore, but of autonomous law enforcement agents, and in this political climate it's not like less strict director could be appointed to the DEA by the President. You're not even talking about what was being discussed when you hopped onto this tangent any more.

Face it you're nothing more than a BSABSVR poster with nothing to add to this conversation.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x468]


YEAH. YOU ALL ARE THE REAL RACISTS HERE!!!!
 
2012-12-31 01:31:24 PM

Too Pretty For Prison: vaporizer is the way to go anyway.


*HIGH FIVE*
I swear your post wasn't there when I looked.
 
2012-12-31 01:31:38 PM

Bigdogdaddy: I have a serious question for some of the people in the states where pot is legal. If the company you work for drug tests you and you come back positive, can they fire you since it's still illegal under federal law? I have never gotten an answer or is this something that will probably be fought in the courts in the future. And the companies that are in those states that have federal contracts? Can the feds hold money from them for not testing?


.
Yes. Case law has set the precedent that you can no longer be fired for smoking cigarettes since cigs are legal, MJ is still a federal crime.
 
2012-12-31 01:32:21 PM

david_gaithersburg: BronyMedic: Good. I hope they do broaden it. And I hope the moralist, God-fearing Republicans who are heroes for the United States of America, and a MODEL for the world at large, defeat the measures and keep this devil's drug illegal, LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

None of you will ever know the pain of getting a call at three in the morning and hearing a doctor say they can't find a pulse after your son smokes just ONE hit or a Marijuana joint! None of you will ever know the anguish of having to find a place to put his cremains in a tasteful display! (Which apparently cannot be posted anymore under threat of banhammer. Pity.)

You potheads should watch the totally factual documentary REEFER MADNESS and take a DARE program. It'll really open your eyes!

/snicker.

.
My state, MD, didn't get medical MJ until we finally voted in a Republican gov., and the current Dem gov is doing everything he can to stoSp medical MJ. Same goes for CA. So yah, its all about those evil Republicans.

/Derp
//Derp
///Derp


The same thing is happening here in NJ. They passed the law to allow medical marijuana, then the Governor stepped in to put a stop to any measure of actually making it work. Like stopping where it grows, or what facilities could distribute.

One of these days people are going to have to realize a few crucial points, and they are:

1. Having pot illegal is causing crime to get completely beyond control. Countless people are being killed in turf wars over it. It's just like the prohibition of alcohol. Why no one will acknowledge this is beyong reasoning. And how much money is this costing us?!

2. Pot is not dangerous. No one has ever died from it. Maybe a few coughing fits. But I can't recall the last time a bar fight broke out between stoners.

3. The plant itself is ridiculously beneficial and versitile. Everything from textiles to paper to fuel for deisel engines (look it up.) But because the government has villified the plant for it's recreational purposes, all other uses have fallen by the wayside. This, btw, is all to benefit the industries that would be effected by its broad use. The oil industry is especially guilty of this one.

4. There are countless people sitting in jail with murderers, rapists, and pedophiles for doing nothing more than getting caught with pot. That's just so stupid, there is no point in going on about it. People's lives are ruined, and for what?

If I haven't made my point with the first four items on this list, allow me to paraphrase... Decriminalizing the plant would be beneficial to all of society. People would drink alcohol less. People who could benefit from its medicinal properties would live better lives. We could start taking advantage of one of the most versitile plants known to mankind. And there would be less headless people showing up on roadsides in Mexico.

This from someone who has no interest in smoking the stuff nowadays. That goes back decades for me. But it makes me sick to see how that plant is still so vilified to this day.
 
2012-12-31 01:34:41 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: talking to a wall


Just ignore him like everyone else does.

I mean, I don't hide his comments because they make me giggle sometimes but I think pretty much all the regulars except BronyMedic have given up on trying to communicate with him entirely.
 
2012-12-31 01:34:46 PM

gja: They will harp the living crap out of the "smoking anything is cancer ZOMG"


Most medical marijuana clinics also sell products in the form of edibles.  A few even offer capsules.  And supposedly vaporizers can release the oils without reaching the ignition point of the plant fibers, preventing inhalation of most toxic chemicals released from smoking.
 
2012-12-31 01:34:48 PM

Bigdogdaddy: I have a serious question for some of the people in the states where pot is legal. If the company you work for drug tests you and you come back positive, can they fire you since it's still illegal under federal law? I have never gotten an answer or is this something that will probably be fought in the courts in the future. And the companies that are in those states that have federal contracts? Can the feds hold money from them for not testing?


CO here, and from what I know (which is admittedly very little and possibly wrong) I believe that you can be let go (or not hired) for tobacco use which is of course legal federally and at a state level so I believe you could still be fired for smoking weed.

If I'm wrong (or even if I'm right - this is FARK after all), someone will correct me I'm sure.

/happy to be with a family company that overlooked what I do in my personal time.
 
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