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(Washington Post)   Is lobbying Congress a family affair? Researchers note an odd coincidence where 48 of 56 relatives of lawmakers who lobby Congress only became lobbyists after their family member was elected   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 74
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2012-12-31 08:59:47 AM
there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access.
 
2012-12-31 09:03:32 AM

thomps: there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access.


It was probably the other 11,950 jealous lobbyists that put the Washington Post to it.
 
2012-12-31 09:18:23 AM
it's not only congress. it's the SCOTUS too.
 
2012-12-31 09:18:27 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: thomps: there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access.

It was probably the other 11,950 jealous lobbyists that put the Washington Post to it.


Not all of them, just the lobbyists who have relatives at the Washington Post.
 
2012-12-31 09:18:50 AM

Hobodeluxe: it's not only congress. it's the SCOTUS too.


Doh, you beat me to it
 
2012-12-31 09:18:53 AM
Knowing the right people opens doors. THERE'S a shocker!
 
2012-12-31 09:21:09 AM
Can we please get Scott Brown back in the Senate so maybe we can see his piece of ass daughters in some hot pant-suit action?

//no, not really
 
2012-12-31 09:22:05 AM

markfara: Knowing the right people opens doors. THERE'S a shocker!


And by "knowing", we mean the same thing King James did.
 
2012-12-31 09:23:14 AM

Zagloba: markfara: Knowing the right people opens doors. THERE'S a shocker!

And by "knowing", we mean the same thing King James did.


Snicker. . . true, that.
 
2012-12-31 09:23:53 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: thomps: there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access.

It was probably the other 11,950 jealous lobbyists that put the Washington Post to it.


Corruption is just how the system works, but nepotism just takes it too far.
 
2012-12-31 09:25:43 AM

thomps: there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access


You're defining the problem incorrectly. Could giving a family member a cushy job be a way of gaining access and influencing a lawmaker? Your homework is to do the math again but this time let us know the percentage of lawmakers who have family members hired into lobby groups.
 
2012-12-31 09:29:05 AM
Well, duh.

Your wife may become a ho after the wedding, but you wouldn't marry a whore, would you?
 
2012-12-31 09:31:18 AM
Gee, how about you make that shiat illegal?
 
2012-12-31 09:35:20 AM

thomps: there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access.


How many of the other 99.5% are either former politicians or are friends of politicians? It's sort of an open secret that lobbyists are people who are known to have the ear of current politicians, and this is just one aspect of that.
 
2012-12-31 09:38:14 AM
An Oligarchy in the US attempting to control access to the government?

PFFFT!

whatever....
 
2012-12-31 09:39:26 AM

EbolaNYC: Gee, how about you make that shiat illegal?


Why? Do you know what lobbying is? It's trying to convince someone.

Why should it be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way? Hell, do you honestly think that the family members don't do that anyway even if they're not paid for it?

/"Murray, why don't you ask that nice John Boehner to increase Medicare. Your father and I are hurting!"
 
2012-12-31 09:44:11 AM

Grungehamster: thomps: there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access.

How many of the other 99.5% are either former politicians or are friends of politicians? It's sort of an open secret that lobbyists are people who are known to have the ear of current politicians, and this is just one aspect of that.


right, my point was that it's silly to waste an entire article talking about such a small part of a big problem, but apparently the article is a part of a larger series investigating congressional money-grabbing.
 
2012-12-31 09:45:00 AM
Incest is best?
 
2012-12-31 09:46:30 AM

Rincewind53: Why should it be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way?


It shouldn't be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way. It should, however, be illegal for family members to be paid to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way.
 
2012-12-31 09:48:30 AM
Lobbyist aren't throwing money at politicians begging for access. Politicians (well their staff) call lobbyists daily begging for money or for them to throw a fundraiser. Lobbyists then look at their voting record and tell them to get bent or say "yea you've helped us out before"
 
2012-12-31 09:48:55 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Rincewind53: Why should it be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way?

It shouldn't be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way. It should, however, be illegal for family members to be paid to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way.


Why? I'd actually argue that it's the least convincing kind of lobbying, because unlike with non-family members, the Congressperson knows their family member quite well (presumably), and would know their biases. If two people, my brother and a stranger, approach me to convince me about something, and I know both of them are being paid to do so, it's going to be much easier to know the motivations behind what my brother is doing than the stranger.
 
2012-12-31 09:52:09 AM

Rincewind53: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Rincewind53: Why should it be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way?

It shouldn't be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way. It should, however, be illegal for family members to be paid to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way.

Why? I'd actually argue that it's the least convincing kind of lobbying, because unlike with non-family members, the Congressperson knows their family member quite well (presumably), and would know their biases. If two people, my brother and a stranger, approach me to convince me about something, and I know both of them are being paid to do so, it's going to be much easier to know the motivations behind what my brother is doing than the stranger.


What if it is your son doing the lobbying and the firm indicates he just might lose his job if you don't vote a certain way since his division will be cut, and oh gee his wife just had a baby they are sure going to need that health insurance.

Still ok with it?
 
2012-12-31 09:59:56 AM
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 10:00:53 AM
A lobbying firm can't just give a lawmaker $2 million a year because that would look a little too much like bribery. On the other hand, they can hire the lawmaker's son and give him $2 million a year to sit in an office with a hot secretary and healthy travel budget. Lawmaker dad knows who butters his son's bread and vote accordingly. This is where the corruption lays people.
 
2012-12-31 10:05:17 AM
Those folks are just pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
 
2012-12-31 10:05:57 AM
It's called spreading the wealth around.
American style.
Some for Bobby JR. Some for little Betty.


Now shut up and get back to work.
 
2012-12-31 10:09:27 AM
It's certainly a more efficient bribary system than forcing congresscritters to funnel your 'campaign contributions' through their campaign offices every two/six years.

It also reduces the risk that there will be a scandal involving your lobbyist getting caught blowing your congressman.
 
2012-12-31 10:14:32 AM

Muta: A lobbying firm can't just give a lawmaker $2 million a year because that would look a little too much like bribery.


latimesblogs.latimes.com
You can if that lawmaker's constituents are loyal/dumb enough.
 
2012-12-31 10:19:01 AM

Muta: A lobbying firm can't just give a lawmaker $2 million a year because that would look a little too much like bribery. On the other hand, they can hire the lawmaker's son and give him $2 million a year to sit in an office with a hot secretary and healthy travel budget. Lawmaker dad knows who butters his son's bread and vote accordingly. This is where the corruption lays people.


Since citizens united it isn't uncommon to get calls expecting 1 million dollar donations from some of the better known politicians.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 10:20:14 AM

thomps: there are over 12,000 lobbyists in washington and all of them are in the business of selling access, i'm not sure why it's worth writing an entire article about how 0.5% of them acquired that access.


Because it tells you something about how the industry works.
 
2012-12-31 10:22:14 AM

Rincewind53: EbolaNYC: Gee, how about you make that shiat illegal?

Why? Do you know what lobbying is? It's trying to convince someone.

Why should it be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way? Hell, do you honestly think that the family members don't do that anyway even if they're not paid for it?

/"Murray, why don't you ask that nice John Boehner to increase Medicare. Your father and I are hurting!"


Sure. Do YOU know what lobbying is?

Because when you pay a member of a family a large sum of money to peddle influence it's practically paying that money to your relative in office. Otherwise what would be the point? It's far too easy for money to be transferred at a later date. I live in Hudaon County NJ, this kind of thing goes on all the time with certain Italian families in Hoboken. Since money isn't paid directly to them it's not illegal, but that money goes to buy oceanfront real estate that they use at their pleasure. Ownership without being on the deed.
 
2012-12-31 10:22:41 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Soon
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 10:22:53 AM

Muta: A lobbying firm can't just give a lawmaker $2 million a year because that would look a little too much like bribery. On the other hand, they can hire the lawmaker's son and give him $2 million a year to sit in an office with a hot secretary and healthy travel budget. Lawmaker dad knows who butters his son's bread and vote accordingly. This is where the corruption lays people.


The corruption only lays you if you have connections, otherwise you just get screwed.
 
2012-12-31 10:24:28 AM

vpb: Muta: A lobbying firm can't just give a lawmaker $2 million a year because that would look a little too much like bribery. On the other hand, they can hire the lawmaker's son and give him $2 million a year to sit in an office with a hot secretary and healthy travel budget. Lawmaker dad knows who butters his son's bread and vote accordingly. This is where the corruption lays people.

The corruption only lays you if you have connections, otherwise you just get screwed.


With neither lube nor kiss nor dinner and drinks, I might add..........
 
2012-12-31 10:26:59 AM

Hobodeluxe: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x490]

Soon


Nope. Widespread corruption really is not enough. People have to be in actual danger of starvation or injury or some other direct and vivid harm, which we aren't.
 
2012-12-31 10:28:13 AM
EbolaNYC: Since money isn't paid directly to them it's not illegal, but that money goes to buy oceanfront real estate that they use at their pleasure. Ownership without being on the deed.

Do you know this or are you talking out of your ass? Because that would go against the letter (not just the spirit) of Congressional ethics rules, and would make a juicy scoop for one of the few actual journalists left at the Times or the Post... or failing that, for Marcy Wheeler.
 
2012-12-31 10:35:40 AM

Hobodeluxe: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 640x490]

Soon


Difficulty: They want to keep government out of their Medicare.
 
2012-12-31 10:42:37 AM

Zagloba: EbolaNYC: Since money isn't paid directly to them it's not illegal, but that money goes to buy oceanfront real estate that they use at their pleasure. Ownership without being on the deed.

Do you know this or are you talking out of your ass? Because that would go against the letter (not just the spirit) of Congressional ethics rules, and would make a juicy scoop for one of the few actual journalists left at the Times or the Post... or failing that, for Marcy Wheeler.


This stuff isn't a scoop anymore. It's just the way Washington grifts.

Hell - there's a SCOTUS judge whose wife was getting paid ~$150k by a lobbying group for 'research' and has since set up her own lobbying group that has pulled in hundreds of thousands of dollars.
 
2012-12-31 10:45:14 AM
pppppppppfffffffftttttttttt, amateurs,

This is how you do it:
Solar Trust of America, Bright Source, Solyndra, LSP Energy, Energy Conversion Devices, Abound Solar, SunPower, Beacon Power, Ecotality, A123 Solar, UniSolar, Azure Dynamics, Evergreen Solar,
Ener1, Geothermal Power, Embraer of Brazil, Siga Technology Inc, Granite Reliable Wind Generation,
Tonopah Solar Company - Crescent Dunes, CH2M Hill, Spectra Watt, Mountain Plaza
 
2012-12-31 10:45:25 AM

Zagloba: EbolaNYC: Since money isn't paid directly to them it's not illegal, but that money goes to buy oceanfront real estate that they use at their pleasure. Ownership without being on the deed.

Do you know this or are you talking out of your ass? Because that would go against the letter (not just the spirit) of Congressional ethics rules, and would make a juicy scoop for one of the few actual journalists left at the Times or the Post... or failing that, for Marcy Wheeler.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDsQtwIwAw&url=htt p%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRqC5ZBG4MyM&ei=WrLhUP2ZBKTU0gH 404DADg&usg=AFQjCNHsXDaDCAmma2mQdA5PRu58iFUIyQ

You tell me. Do a little digging about this guy, his family and the number of shady situations that that have been involved in. Funny how his Dad was nabbed by the feds and Mom had all kind of exclusive real estate deals, and these clowns are amatures compared to Congress.
 
2012-12-31 10:46:22 AM

Carth: What if it is your son doing the lobbying and the firm indicates he just might lose his job if you don't vote a certain way since his division will be cut, and oh gee his wife just had a baby they are sure going to need that health insurance.

Still ok with it?


It sure would be awful if little Billy were to lose his lucrative lobbying job, especially in an economy as uncertain as this one.
 
2012-12-31 10:48:12 AM
Yet I can't win free tickets or enter a drawing for cash prizes if either me or a member of my family are employees of the organization offering the prize or cash.

/not even a hot cocoa sampler
 
2012-12-31 10:48:13 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: pppppppppfffffffftttttttttt, amateurs,

This is how you do it:
Solar Trust of America, Bright Source, Solyndra, LSP Energy, Energy Conversion Devices, Abound Solar, SunPower, Beacon Power, Ecotality, A123 Solar, UniSolar, Azure Dynamics, Evergreen Solar,
Ener1, Geothermal Power, Embraer of Brazil, Siga Technology Inc, Granite Reliable Wind Generation,
Tonopah Solar Company - Crescent Dunes, CH2M Hill, Spectra Watt, Mountain Plaza


And I'll bet the amount of money they get isn't 1/20 of what ExxonMobil gets alone.


But thanks for sharing the high points of your grandmother's daily FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW:FW: message of hate.
 
2012-12-31 10:53:37 AM
"Lobby, lobby, lobby, get your kickbacks here."
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-31 10:54:40 AM
We have come to not just accept corruption from our political leaders, we expect it. It seems that few care that politicians prioritize their contributors over their constituents, or the nation as a whole.

We only seem to be outraged when it's the other team doing it, and turn a blind eye when it's our guys.

Does this mean that our society is moribund, and that we should resign ourselves to either bloody revolution, or degeneration into a dictatorship, a la the Roman republic?
 
2012-12-31 10:55:22 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Carth: What if it is your son doing the lobbying and the firm indicates he just might lose his job if you don't vote a certain way since his division will be cut, and oh gee his wife just had a baby they are sure going to need that health insurance.

Still ok with it?

It sure would be awful if little Billy were to lose his lucrative lobbying job, especially in an economy as uncertain as this one.


That's a nice family owned lobbying business you've got there. Shame if something were to happen to it...
 
2012-12-31 11:07:25 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Carth: What if it is your son doing the lobbying and the firm indicates he just might lose his job if you don't vote a certain way since his division will be cut, and oh gee his wife just had a baby they are sure going to need that health insurance.

Still ok with it?

It sure would be awful if little Billy were to lose his lucrative lobbying job, especially in an economy as uncertain as this one.

That's a nice family owned lobbying business you've got there. Shame if something were to happen to it...


suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

"Why hello, there, Congressman. How lovely to see you on this fine day. What are we doing here? Why, we're just paying a visit to our good friend the Congressman, ain't we, Tommy? Can't a pair of lobbyists drop in to say hello to an old friend? We're sorry little Billy could come with us and all but you see there may be a few cutbacks at the main office. Hard times and all, ain't they, Tommy? I sure would hate to be out looking for work in this job market."
 
2012-12-31 11:11:34 AM

Rincewind53: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Rincewind53: Why should it be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way?

It shouldn't be illegal for family members to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way. It should, however, be illegal for family members to be paid to try to convince other family members to vote a certain way.

Why? I'd actually argue that it's the least convincing kind of lobbying, because unlike with non-family members, the Congressperson knows their family member quite well (presumably), and would know their biases. If two people, my brother and a stranger, approach me to convince me about something, and I know both of them are being paid to do so, it's going to be much easier to know the motivations behind what my brother is doing than the stranger.



My friends, this is why our country sucks. You could blame it on the politicians. You could blame it on the lobbyists. You could blame it on gerrymandered districts. You could blame it on the influence of money in elections. You could blame the journalism and bias in the media. But at the end of the day, all of those things are simply attempting to sway the voters. No amount of money, gerrymandering, bias or lobbyists could ever counteract an informed conscientious voter base.

Yet here we are, incapable of agreeing that it's bad for private companies to pay off family members of politicians to ask for special favors/legislation. We can't even agree bribes are bad.
 
2012-12-31 11:12:03 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: This stuff isn't a scoop anymore. It's just the way Washington grifts.

Hell - there's a SCOTUS judge whose wife was getting paid ~$150k by a lobbying group for 'research' and has since set up her own lobbying group that has pulled in hundreds of thousands of dollars.


Sure, but that's not what the claim was. Ebola was saying that congresspeople get in-kind gifts, which are specifically prohibited by Congressional rules.

EbolaNYC: You tell me. Do a little digging about this guy, his family and the number of shady situations that that have been involved in. Funny how his Dad was nabbed by the feds and Mom had all kind of exclusive real estate deals, and these clowns are amatures compared to Congress.


Your link goes to an invalid URL, and in any case, you're sending me to an opaque Google link to a Youtube video? What are you, 14?

Look, I have you farkied as a potentially reasonable person, so I'm not trying to bust your balls here; but you're not making your case well in this thread.
 
2012-12-31 11:12:08 AM
American political system is the best that money can buy.

//can't be said enough
 
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