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(The Age (Melbourne))   Hiker fined for only having potatoes and bread for food on his trek   (theage.com.au) divider line 34
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2012-12-31 09:59:41 AM
5 votes:
Wait...The Australians are now fining people for stupidity? The US should immediately apply this concept (especially to the Congress) and the debt could be paid down in no time.
2012-12-31 10:41:08 AM
3 votes:
FTA: The man has been given a $500 infringement notice for engaging "in activity that risks the safety of self/others".

With all the poisonous, venomous and deadly critters in Australia, isn't simply taking a walk an "activity that risks the safety of self"?
2012-12-31 09:55:52 AM
3 votes:
He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 09:23:25 AM
3 votes:
In New Hampshire if you don't pay these hiking fines they'll revoke your driver's license.

He should have skipped the potatoes and packed more naan.
2012-12-31 10:52:50 AM
2 votes:

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.


So, what you're upset about is the name of the fine? You'd be happier if they called it a fine for "doing something so monumentally stupid that two helicopters had to be dispatched to save your sorry ass"?
2012-12-31 10:28:30 AM
2 votes:
I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.
2012-12-31 10:24:13 AM
2 votes:
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Would have given them fits.
2012-12-31 10:15:35 AM
2 votes:

kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.


Well, they do, actually. (OK, maybe if they're volunteers they could just decide to pass), but our society has deemed it worth it to have trained rescuers, fire fighters, etc., to deal with situations like this, and our society has chosen that they don't just get to say "Wow, he sure was a dumb ass, we're just not going to rescue him now."
2012-12-31 02:50:53 AM
2 votes:
I don't understand. He had an ankle injury and would still have had an ankle injury no matter how much food he had, so I don't see the point in fining him.
2012-12-31 11:12:13 AM
1 votes:
ready-up.net

Knows a few things about hiking through God-knows-where with potatoes.
2012-12-31 11:02:22 AM
1 votes:
Drongo.
2012-12-31 10:58:59 AM
1 votes:

99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.


This.  If you want to impress a  chick, you can always make shiat up.
2012-12-31 10:58:05 AM
1 votes:

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.


And Vatican City has a population of seven popes per square mile. Extrapolating is fun!

The law is obviously intended to be used for situations like this one, where stupid people try to cross 90 km of green crap with the trees and the scrub and the not water with a kilo of bread and some frigging potatoes, seriously risking death and necessitating other people putting themselves in peril to go get him. It's not for people who cross the road, come on.
2012-12-31 10:47:37 AM
1 votes:

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One does not simply trek to Mordor, with only lembas and potatoes for sustenance!
2012-12-31 10:44:24 AM
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.


Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.
2012-12-31 10:40:40 AM
1 votes:

Asa Phelps: Good.

It's a shame they had to use rescue resources to do it, too.


He had an ankle injury. What was he supposed to do? Rub some steak on it?
2012-12-31 10:38:23 AM
1 votes:
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2012-12-31 10:33:39 AM
1 votes:
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The Sensational Naan Burger
2012-12-31 10:28:25 AM
1 votes:
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2012-12-31 10:28:15 AM
1 votes:

siyuntz: Now that we're smack in the middle of climbers-getting-lost/stranded-on-Mt.-Hood season, I'll restate my position: People going on these dangerous treks or climbs who don't want to bother with a locator beacon should have to sign some sort of form to the effect that (A) they waive their right to be rescued, or (B) they agree to pay any and all costs associated with said rescue should they require it.


Or they can buy mountain rescue insurance or pay associated local fees that support the rescue org.  But if you solo, you could carry a beacon.  Your damn sleeping bag will probably cost more than the beacon and one year of service.
2012-12-31 10:23:40 AM
1 votes:
Now that we're smack in the middle of climbers-getting-lost/stranded-on-Mt.-Hood season, I'll restate my position: People going on these dangerous treks or climbs who don't want to bother with a locator beacon should have to sign some sort of form to the effect that (A) they waive their right to be rescued, or (B) they agree to pay any and all costs associated with said rescue should they require it.
2012-12-31 10:21:55 AM
1 votes:
Sounds Irish to me and if you're going to eat Irish, I strongly recommend this...

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2012-12-31 10:14:58 AM
1 votes:

StrikitRich: Wait...The Australians are now fining people for stupidity? The US should immediately apply this concept (especially to the Congress) and the debt could be paid down in no time.


Having worked within our National Park services, yeah, it would be nice. The Rangers wind up hauling out a LOT of folks doing not just stupid, but entirely asinine things all the time.
2012-12-31 10:13:47 AM
1 votes:
Good.  If you think you're Bear Grylls and you can get out there and survive by eating leaves and berries and drinking your own pee, and the park ranger service has to expend a lot of manhours saving your dumb ass, you should have to pay for it.
2012-12-31 10:09:46 AM
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).


No, it sounds like he got injured and had to be rescued, which has nothing to do with how much food he's carrying. You can argue that he shouldn't have been hiking alone, but even if he had one or two other people with him they would have been very hard pressed to get him out of there without outside assistance.

There's also this:
"Getting the basics right with trekking is so easy - all people have to do is notify the police or other responsible person of their trip intention and carry a personal locator beacon," he said. "Making use of available technology, together with some commonsense trip preparation, could mean the difference between life or death."

Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons. Too many of the calls from those things are from hikers were tired and just didn't want to walk all the way back. They instill false confidence which only leads to more wilderness accidents, not fewer.
2012-12-31 10:09:08 AM
1 votes:

notmtwain: Presumably he also had water, but they didn't mention it.  According to one site, a kilo of potatoes would be only 800 calories and a kilo of naan about 2500 calories-  so even if he had a kilo of each, he wouldn't have had enough to supply energy for intense hiking for three days.


It depends on what form the potatoes are in.  My go-to back country dinners are Knorr rice mixes and Idahoan potatoes.  Both only require water.  One 4oz package of Idahoan potatoes contains around 450 calories (the one usually purchase has more than that but I can't remember off the top of my head).  Knorr rice sides usually have almost 800 calories per package (I split these into two meals).

Of course, I don't *just* eat potatoes.  I add Oscar Mayer real bacon pieces (one package = ~280 calories) to give a 100+ calorie boost.  And if it is cold and/or I'm doing a lot of work, I have a tortilla or spoons of almond butter or an energy bar or something.

It sounds like they were simply busting him for *something* as he didn't detail his plans better or at least carry an emergency beacon.  Back before emergency beacons were affordable, I *always* let the local ranger station know my itinerary and route (and still do usually).
2012-12-31 10:03:22 AM
1 votes:
Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew
2012-12-31 10:03:12 AM
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).


I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.
2012-12-31 10:02:03 AM
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).


That's how I read it, too. The food was just icing on the cake. Or potatoes on the naan. Or whatever.
2012-12-31 09:57:55 AM
1 votes:
There are so many options for shelf-stable pre-packaged foods in the supermarket, there's no excuse. Pouches of tuna, apple sauce pouches, etc.  Just buy those Coglan's plastic tubes and fill with peanut butter.

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2012-12-31 09:55:42 AM
1 votes:
Les Stroud never took that much food!
2012-12-31 08:53:34 AM
1 votes:
Great, now I want naan.
2012-12-31 02:51:36 AM
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: A kilo of potatoes and naan bread?  That's enough for like 2 meals, and he told people he was going on a three day hike.  That was reckless.


I can't tell if they meant that's what he started out with, or what he had left.
2012-12-31 01:38:12 AM
1 votes:
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