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(The Age (Melbourne))   Hiker fined for only having potatoes and bread for food on his trek   (theage.com.au) divider line 126
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2012-12-31 10:28:15 AM

siyuntz: Now that we're smack in the middle of climbers-getting-lost/stranded-on-Mt.-Hood season, I'll restate my position: People going on these dangerous treks or climbs who don't want to bother with a locator beacon should have to sign some sort of form to the effect that (A) they waive their right to be rescued, or (B) they agree to pay any and all costs associated with said rescue should they require it.


Or they can buy mountain rescue insurance or pay associated local fees that support the rescue org.  But if you solo, you could carry a beacon.  Your damn sleeping bag will probably cost more than the beacon and one year of service.
 
2012-12-31 10:28:25 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-31 10:28:28 AM
I leave a trail of naan crumbs. What?
 
2012-12-31 10:28:30 AM
I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.
 
2012-12-31 10:29:24 AM

hlehmann: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

No, it sounds like he got injured and had to be rescued, which has nothing to do with how much food he's carrying. You can argue that he shouldn't have been hiking alone, but even if he had one or two other people with him they would have been very hard pressed to get him out of there without outside assistance.

What do you mean "no"? I quoted from the article the exact reason he was fined. I even said he wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes.

 
2012-12-31 10:31:09 AM

Sybarite: Great, now I want naan.


That's it! I'm getting curry for lunch!
 
2012-12-31 10:33:32 AM

log_jammin: I don't understand. He had an ankle injury and would still have had an ankle injury no matter how much food he hadwent from the top to the bottom of the food chain in two days flat, so I don't see the point in finding him.

FTFY
 
2012-12-31 10:33:39 AM
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The Sensational Naan Burger
 
2012-12-31 10:34:05 AM
Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.
 
2012-12-31 10:35:42 AM

UberDave: hlehmann: Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons. Too many of the calls from those things are from hikers were tired and just didn't want to walk all the way back. They instill false confidence which only leads to more wilderness accidents, not fewer.

The people I've talked to think they are a good idea.  Yes, there are individuals who decide to try longer routes with the idea if they get tired they will simple "press the button".  This happens all the time.  But I don't think people are going "humm...I think I will try this craggy class 5 traverse with zero protection and no bail equipment and if I get in trouble, I'll just use my beacon!".

These beacons are really good for letting family members know you are ok.  They are peace of mind and shouldn't be substituted for a detailed itinerary left with several people.  And they do save people in legitimate rescue situations.


The new SPOT beacons do have a provision for communicating with family or friends without signaling distress, but from what I've seen that's just an extra service for which you pay a subscription fee. Most beacons are an all-or-nothing deal, either the rescue services hear nothing, or they hear "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!!".
 
2012-12-31 10:35:58 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.


You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.
 
2012-12-31 10:38:23 AM
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 10:39:20 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: There are so many options for shelf-stable pre-packaged foods in the supermarket, there's no excuse. Pouches of tuna, apple sauce pouches, etc.  Just buy those Coglan's plastic tubes and fill with peanut butter.

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you have to have your Boy Scout Wizard badge to fill such a tube. fark that, i'd stay at an economical motor lodge and enjoy a discount using AAA membership card. air conditioning, porn and free use of gymnasium.
 
2012-12-31 10:40:40 AM

Asa Phelps: Good.

It's a shame they had to use rescue resources to do it, too.


He had an ankle injury. What was he supposed to do? Rub some steak on it?
 
2012-12-31 10:41:08 AM
FTA: The man has been given a $500 infringement notice for engaging "in activity that risks the safety of self/others".

With all the poisonous, venomous and deadly critters in Australia, isn't simply taking a walk an "activity that risks the safety of self"?
 
2012-12-31 10:41:16 AM

stpauler: Little potatoes...with feathers
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Wow, well-played, sir!
 
2012-12-31 10:43:34 AM
If this was the US they would have tased him too.
 
2012-12-31 10:44:24 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.


Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.
 
2012-12-31 10:44:25 AM
How would having a beacon and filing a plan have prevented his ankle injury?

Nanny-state control-boner is all this is.

Have you filed your poop request in triplicate? You can't poop without a permit.
 
2012-12-31 10:46:59 AM

KarmicDisaster: If this was the US they would have tased him too.


And bludgeoned him about the head and shoulders to teach him a lesson
 
2012-12-31 10:47:37 AM

markie_farkie: [25.media.tumblr.com image 240x133]


One does not simply trek to Mordor, with only lembas and potatoes for sustenance!
 
2012-12-31 10:50:47 AM

HotWingAgenda: A kilo of potatoes and naan bread?  That's enough for like 2 meals, and he told people he was going on a three day hike.  That was reckless.


Well, he was gonna kill lizards, too.
 
2012-12-31 10:52:50 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.


So, what you're upset about is the name of the fine? You'd be happier if they called it a fine for "doing something so monumentally stupid that two helicopters had to be dispatched to save your sorry ass"?
 
2012-12-31 10:53:42 AM

moothemagiccow: vudukungfu: ZAZ: In New Hampshire if you don't pay these hiking fines they'll revoke your driver's license.


So when they tell you you aren't allowed to drive anymore, they will fine you for walking?
Hell of a racket they got there.

If you try to sit, they'll tax your seat


The one you have right over there?
 
2012-12-31 10:54:11 AM
To be fair, he had been given a list of the items he needed to bring, but he decided that he was having naan of that.
 
2012-12-31 10:55:24 AM
FTFA: 'The man has been given a $500 infringement notice for engaging "in activity that risks the safety of self/others".'

Or as we call it here in the States: 'Saturday night'.
 
2012-12-31 10:56:46 AM
"Getting the basics right with trekking is so easy - all people have to do is . . . carry a personal locator beacon,"

They misspelled bacon.
 
2012-12-31 10:56:48 AM

stpauler: Little potatoes...with feathers
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i27.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 10:57:25 AM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 500x360]


Man shall not live by bread alone.
Elves and naan are another matter.
 
2012-12-31 10:58:05 AM

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.


And Vatican City has a population of seven popes per square mile. Extrapolating is fun!

The law is obviously intended to be used for situations like this one, where stupid people try to cross 90 km of green crap with the trees and the scrub and the not water with a kilo of bread and some frigging potatoes, seriously risking death and necessitating other people putting themselves in peril to go get him. It's not for people who cross the road, come on.
 
2012-12-31 10:58:25 AM

hlehmann: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

No, it sounds like he got injured and had to be rescued, which has nothing to do with how much food he's carrying. You can argue that he shouldn't have been hiking alone, but even if he had one or two other people with him they would have been very hard pressed to get him out of there without outside assistance.

There's also this:
"Getting the basics right with trekking is so easy - all people have to do is notify the police or other responsible person of their trip intention and carry a personal locator beacon," he said. "Making use of available technology, together with some commonsense trip preparation, could mean the difference between life or death."

Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons. Too many of the calls from those things are from hikers were tired and just didn't want to walk all the way back. They instill false confidence which only leads to more wilderness accidents, not fewer.


So, they are the condoms of the wilderness?
 
2012-12-31 10:58:59 AM

99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.


This.  If you want to impress a  chick, you can always make shiat up.
 
2012-12-31 11:02:22 AM
Drongo.
 
2012-12-31 11:04:07 AM
hlehmann:
The new SPOT beacons do have a provision for communicating with family or friends without signaling distress, but from what I've seen that's just an extra service for which you pay a subscription fee. Most beacons are an all-or-nothing deal, either the rescue services hear nothing, or they hear "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!!".

The tracking feature is best.  There's no need for the "texting" option.  The tracking feature is an extra $50.

I've always thought there should be some kind of "cancel" button or at least some quick way to distinguish the severity of the emergency.  I know one of these days they will have two way comm. with the rescue service and that will help -
 
2012-12-31 11:12:13 AM
ready-up.net

Knows a few things about hiking through God-knows-where with potatoes.
 
2012-12-31 11:13:03 AM
What kind of stove was he carrying?
 
2012-12-31 11:15:31 AM
 
2012-12-31 11:20:06 AM

Parthenogenetic: markie_farkie: [25.media.tumblr.com image 240x133]

One does not simply trek to Mordor, with only lembas and potatoes for sustenance!


Certainly true, what with Mordor being in New Zealand.
 
2012-12-31 11:20:49 AM

99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.


Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...
 
2012-12-31 11:32:24 AM
So you get fined for making the tax funded Rescue Services get up off their fat asses and do their job?

Why bother to have them? Why bother to fund them? Leave it to private rescue groups that are paid by the job.
 
2012-12-31 11:38:50 AM

CheekyMonkey: 99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.

Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...


They destined to die off due to lack of mates.
 
2012-12-31 11:40:28 AM

hubiestubert: kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.

Actually, that's sort of the job of these rescue folks. Perhaps it isn't bootstrappy enough for you though...


I agree, but the charge doesn't fit. If he intentionally made their job of rescuing dangerous I'd agree, but he should be charged for being unprepared.

Rescuers doing their job is NOT putting them at risk when it is just a simple search. Unless everyone ever rescued gets charged, its just the state stretching a law rather than just admitting they don't have a law to charge him with.

Pass a law against hiking unprepared, don't stretch a law to cover unrelated cases.

It's not bootstrappy, it is good governance.
 
2012-12-31 11:45:18 AM

CheekyMonkey: 99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.

Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...


It isn't really a species if it never passes on it's genes. A drone of some sort, at best. Specialized for passing all revenue generated directly to junk food and japanese porn manufacturers.
 
2012-12-31 11:45:56 AM
About as outdoorsie as I get is a parking lot without stripes or an occasional John Denver Album.
 
2012-12-31 11:47:20 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.

So, what you're upset about is the name of the fine? You'd be happier if they called it a fine for "doing something so monumentally stupid that two helicopters had to be dispatched to save your sorry ass"?


Not the name of the fine. It is poor practice to use a loose interpretation of laws (as opposed to rights). You should always be able to know if a law applies to your actions with minimal ambiguity.

Using laws like this, it is hard to know that you aren't risking penalties. A law which states minimum volumes of water and rations (or for major treks, filing a trip plan) would be discrete and leave little ambiguity.
 
2012-12-31 11:51:41 AM
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2012-12-31 11:54:10 AM

kim jong-un: Using laws like this, it is hard to know that you aren't risking penalties. A law which states minimum volumes of water and rations (or for major treks, filing a trip plan) would be discrete and leave little ambiguity.


That's hard to tell from the short title of the offence. Can an Aussie farker help us with the full text of the actual statute?
 
2012-12-31 12:01:02 PM
I'm going walkabout. With eight tons of potatoes (and bacon bits.)
 
2012-12-31 12:02:15 PM

Evil Mackerel: CheekyMonkey: 99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.

Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...

They are destined to die off due to lack of mates.


FTFM
 
2012-12-31 12:12:00 PM
But did he have enough clean underwear?
 
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