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2012-12-31 01:11:03 AM  
Honestly, that sounds like something I'd do... I'm allergic to everything, so when I go on trips I bring some really odd, bland food until I'm back in civilization.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:02 AM  
Artist's rendering of the hiker.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:37 AM  
Goddamnit.

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2012-12-31 01:37:30 AM  
Good.

It's a shame they had to use rescue resources to do it, too.
 
2012-12-31 01:38:12 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-31 02:17:58 AM  
A kilo of potatoes and naan bread?  That's enough for like 2 meals, and he told people he was going on a three day hike.  That was reckless.
 
2012-12-31 02:50:53 AM  
I don't understand. He had an ankle injury and would still have had an ankle injury no matter how much food he had, so I don't see the point in fining him.
 
2012-12-31 02:51:36 AM  

HotWingAgenda: A kilo of potatoes and naan bread?  That's enough for like 2 meals, and he told people he was going on a three day hike.  That was reckless.


I can't tell if they meant that's what he started out with, or what he had left.
 
2012-12-31 04:32:16 AM  
Presumably he also had water, but they didn't mention it.  According to one site, a kilo of potatoes would be only 800 calories and a kilo of naan about 2500 calories-  so even if he had a kilo of each, he wouldn't have had enough to supply energy for intense hiking for three days.

// Old mother Hubbard's dog had to make do with naan.

// Even if he had had a locator beacon, the nanny boys would have given him a lecture.
 
2012-12-31 08:53:34 AM  
Great, now I want naan.
 
2012-12-31 09:21:40 AM  
Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-31 09:23:25 AM  
In New Hampshire if you don't pay these hiking fines they'll revoke your driver's license.

He should have skipped the potatoes and packed more naan.
 
2012-12-31 09:55:00 AM  
what a dumb ass.
 
2012-12-31 09:55:42 AM  
Les Stroud never took that much food!
 
2012-12-31 09:55:52 AM  
He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).
 
2012-12-31 09:57:23 AM  

shanrick: Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.


Carl weathers approves of this stew talk
 
2012-12-31 09:57:55 AM  
There are so many options for shelf-stable pre-packaged foods in the supermarket, there's no excuse. Pouches of tuna, apple sauce pouches, etc.  Just buy those Coglan's plastic tubes and fill with peanut butter.

www.rei.com
 
2012-12-31 09:57:58 AM  
www.islandbreath.org

Disapproves, needs more rice.
 
2012-12-31 09:59:41 AM  
Wait...The Australians are now fining people for stupidity? The US should immediately apply this concept (especially to the Congress) and the debt could be paid down in no time.
 
2012-12-31 10:01:15 AM  

ZAZ: In New Hampshire if you don't pay these hiking fines they'll revoke your driver's license.



So when they tell you you aren't allowed to drive anymore, they will fine you for walking?
Hell of a racket they got there.
 
2012-12-31 10:02:03 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).


That's how I read it, too. The food was just icing on the cake. Or potatoes on the naan. Or whatever.
 
2012-12-31 10:03:12 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).


I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.
 
2012-12-31 10:03:22 AM  
Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew
 
2012-12-31 10:04:52 AM  

Sybarite: Great, now I want naan.


A kilo of naan.
 
2012-12-31 10:05:45 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Les Stroud never took that much food!


Only if it's raw seal meat.
 
2012-12-31 10:05:53 AM  

kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.


Thank you.
 
2012-12-31 10:05:54 AM  

vudukungfu: ZAZ: In New Hampshire if you don't pay these hiking fines they'll revoke your driver's license.


So when they tell you you aren't allowed to drive anymore, they will fine you for walking?
Hell of a racket they got there.


If you try to sit, they'll tax your seat
 
2012-12-31 10:08:15 AM  

pnome: [www.islandbreath.org image 520x419]

Disapproves, needs more rice.


I knew his days were numbered when the bear wouldnt even eat him
 
zez
2012-12-31 10:08:24 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: There are so many options for shelf-stable pre-packaged foods in the supermarket, there's no excuse. Pouches of tuna, apple sauce pouches, etc.  Just buy those Coglan's plastic tubes and fill with peanut butter.

[www.rei.com image 440x440]


Oh yeah, I used to do that with the plastic tubes 30 years ago.
 
2012-12-31 10:09:08 AM  

notmtwain: Presumably he also had water, but they didn't mention it.  According to one site, a kilo of potatoes would be only 800 calories and a kilo of naan about 2500 calories-  so even if he had a kilo of each, he wouldn't have had enough to supply energy for intense hiking for three days.


It depends on what form the potatoes are in.  My go-to back country dinners are Knorr rice mixes and Idahoan potatoes.  Both only require water.  One 4oz package of Idahoan potatoes contains around 450 calories (the one usually purchase has more than that but I can't remember off the top of my head).  Knorr rice sides usually have almost 800 calories per package (I split these into two meals).

Of course, I don't *just* eat potatoes.  I add Oscar Mayer real bacon pieces (one package = ~280 calories) to give a 100+ calorie boost.  And if it is cold and/or I'm doing a lot of work, I have a tortilla or spoons of almond butter or an energy bar or something.

It sounds like they were simply busting him for *something* as he didn't detail his plans better or at least carry an emergency beacon.  Back before emergency beacons were affordable, I *always* let the local ranger station know my itinerary and route (and still do usually).
 
2012-12-31 10:09:46 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).


No, it sounds like he got injured and had to be rescued, which has nothing to do with how much food he's carrying. You can argue that he shouldn't have been hiking alone, but even if he had one or two other people with him they would have been very hard pressed to get him out of there without outside assistance.

There's also this:
"Getting the basics right with trekking is so easy - all people have to do is notify the police or other responsible person of their trip intention and carry a personal locator beacon," he said. "Making use of available technology, together with some commonsense trip preparation, could mean the difference between life or death."

Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons. Too many of the calls from those things are from hikers were tired and just didn't want to walk all the way back. They instill false confidence which only leads to more wilderness accidents, not fewer.
 
2012-12-31 10:10:05 AM  

Sybarite: Great, now I want naan.


robertod.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-31 10:10:30 AM  

kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.


Citation needed.
 
2012-12-31 10:11:34 AM  
the dingo stole my rations
 
2012-12-31 10:13:47 AM  
Good.  If you think you're Bear Grylls and you can get out there and survive by eating leaves and berries and drinking your own pee, and the park ranger service has to expend a lot of manhours saving your dumb ass, you should have to pay for it.
 
2012-12-31 10:14:12 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: There are so many options for shelf-stable pre-packaged foods in the supermarket, there's no excuse. Pouches of tuna, apple sauce pouches, etc.  Just buy those Coglan's plastic tubes and fill with peanut butter.


Every now and then, I would use those to store liquid butter (need flavor at altitude :) ) but after having one leak on me, I haven't used them.  I store my almond butter in those 8oz plastic "jars" you can find in the canning section at the grocery store.  They're a little bulky but they stand up good to abuse.
 
2012-12-31 10:14:31 AM  
A kilo? So like, 2 potatoes?
 
2012-12-31 10:14:58 AM  

StrikitRich: Wait...The Australians are now fining people for stupidity? The US should immediately apply this concept (especially to the Congress) and the debt could be paid down in no time.


Having worked within our National Park services, yeah, it would be nice. The Rangers wind up hauling out a LOT of folks doing not just stupid, but entirely asinine things all the time.
 
2012-12-31 10:14:59 AM  

kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.


Actually they do. It's their job. If a firefighter was injured trying to save your house, would you say, "He didn't have to show up."

Medical and Emergency Personnel are paid to save you, even from your own stupidity.
 
2012-12-31 10:15:32 AM  
Little potatoes...with feathers
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2012-12-31 10:15:35 AM  

kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.


Well, they do, actually. (OK, maybe if they're volunteers they could just decide to pass), but our society has deemed it worth it to have trained rescuers, fire fighters, etc., to deal with situations like this, and our society has chosen that they don't just get to say "Wow, he sure was a dumb ass, we're just not going to rescue him now."
 
2012-12-31 10:16:32 AM  
Well, you can live on it, but it taste like shiat.
 
2012-12-31 10:17:19 AM  

UberDave: It sounds like they were simply busting him for *something* as he didn't detail his plans better or at least carry an emergency beacon.  Back before emergency beacons were affordable, I *always* let the local ranger station know my itinerary and route (and still do usually).


Yeah, I can't bring myself to go on even a day trek without talking to a ranger first, unless I'm in a very high-traffic tourist area with plenty of other people visible. Rangers know about all the places the path may have washed out, what animals are in the area, and anything else I may wish I knew once I'm hours away from the trailhead.
 
2012-12-31 10:21:23 AM  

kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.


Actually, that's sort of the job of these rescue folks. Perhaps it isn't bootstrappy enough for you though...
 
2012-12-31 10:21:55 AM  
Sounds Irish to me and if you're going to eat Irish, I strongly recommend this...

mully1.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-31 10:23:40 AM  
Now that we're smack in the middle of climbers-getting-lost/stranded-on-Mt.-Hood season, I'll restate my position: People going on these dangerous treks or climbs who don't want to bother with a locator beacon should have to sign some sort of form to the effect that (A) they waive their right to be rescued, or (B) they agree to pay any and all costs associated with said rescue should they require it.
 
2012-12-31 10:23:50 AM  

hlehmann: Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons. Too many of the calls from those things are from hikers were tired and just didn't want to walk all the way back. They instill false confidence which only leads to more wilderness accidents, not fewer.


The people I've talked to think they are a good idea.  Yes, there are individuals who decide to try longer routes with the idea if they get tired they will simple "press the button".  This happens all the time.  But I don't think people are going "humm...I think I will try this craggy class 5 traverse with zero protection and no bail equipment and if I get in trouble, I'll just use my beacon!".

These beacons are really good for letting family members know you are ok.  They are peace of mind and shouldn't be substituted for a detailed itinerary left with several people.  And they do save people in legitimate rescue situations.
 
2012-12-31 10:24:13 AM  
www-tc.pbs.org
Would have given them fits.
 
2012-12-31 10:27:21 AM  

wingedkat: UberDave: It sounds like they were simply busting him for *something* as he didn't detail his plans better or at least carry an emergency beacon.  Back before emergency beacons were affordable, I *always* let the local ranger station know my itinerary and route (and still do usually).

Yeah, I can't bring myself to go on even a day trek without talking to a ranger first, unless I'm in a very high-traffic tourist area with plenty of other people visible. Rangers know about all the places the path may have washed out, what animals are in the area, and anything else I may wish I knew once I'm hours away from the trailhead.


But that's not hiking. It's just going for a walk. Real hikes don't use trails.
 
2012-12-31 10:28:15 AM  

siyuntz: Now that we're smack in the middle of climbers-getting-lost/stranded-on-Mt.-Hood season, I'll restate my position: People going on these dangerous treks or climbs who don't want to bother with a locator beacon should have to sign some sort of form to the effect that (A) they waive their right to be rescued, or (B) they agree to pay any and all costs associated with said rescue should they require it.


Or they can buy mountain rescue insurance or pay associated local fees that support the rescue org.  But if you solo, you could carry a beacon.  Your damn sleeping bag will probably cost more than the beacon and one year of service.
 
2012-12-31 10:28:25 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-31 10:28:28 AM  
I leave a trail of naan crumbs. What?
 
2012-12-31 10:28:30 AM  
I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.
 
2012-12-31 10:29:24 AM  

hlehmann: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

No, it sounds like he got injured and had to be rescued, which has nothing to do with how much food he's carrying. You can argue that he shouldn't have been hiking alone, but even if he had one or two other people with him they would have been very hard pressed to get him out of there without outside assistance.

What do you mean "no"? I quoted from the article the exact reason he was fined. I even said he wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes.

 
2012-12-31 10:31:09 AM  

Sybarite: Great, now I want naan.


That's it! I'm getting curry for lunch!
 
2012-12-31 10:33:32 AM  

log_jammin: I don't understand. He had an ankle injury and would still have had an ankle injury no matter how much food he hadwent from the top to the bottom of the food chain in two days flat, so I don't see the point in finding him.

FTFY
 
2012-12-31 10:33:39 AM  
stonefire.com

The Sensational Naan Burger
 
2012-12-31 10:34:05 AM  
Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.
 
2012-12-31 10:35:42 AM  

UberDave: hlehmann: Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons. Too many of the calls from those things are from hikers were tired and just didn't want to walk all the way back. They instill false confidence which only leads to more wilderness accidents, not fewer.

The people I've talked to think they are a good idea.  Yes, there are individuals who decide to try longer routes with the idea if they get tired they will simple "press the button".  This happens all the time.  But I don't think people are going "humm...I think I will try this craggy class 5 traverse with zero protection and no bail equipment and if I get in trouble, I'll just use my beacon!".

These beacons are really good for letting family members know you are ok.  They are peace of mind and shouldn't be substituted for a detailed itinerary left with several people.  And they do save people in legitimate rescue situations.


The new SPOT beacons do have a provision for communicating with family or friends without signaling distress, but from what I've seen that's just an extra service for which you pay a subscription fee. Most beacons are an all-or-nothing deal, either the rescue services hear nothing, or they hear "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!!".
 
2012-12-31 10:35:58 AM  

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.


You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.
 
2012-12-31 10:38:23 AM  
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 10:39:20 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: There are so many options for shelf-stable pre-packaged foods in the supermarket, there's no excuse. Pouches of tuna, apple sauce pouches, etc.  Just buy those Coglan's plastic tubes and fill with peanut butter.

[www.rei.com image 440x440]


you have to have your Boy Scout Wizard badge to fill such a tube. fark that, i'd stay at an economical motor lodge and enjoy a discount using AAA membership card. air conditioning, porn and free use of gymnasium.
 
2012-12-31 10:40:40 AM  

Asa Phelps: Good.

It's a shame they had to use rescue resources to do it, too.


He had an ankle injury. What was he supposed to do? Rub some steak on it?
 
2012-12-31 10:41:08 AM  
FTA: The man has been given a $500 infringement notice for engaging "in activity that risks the safety of self/others".

With all the poisonous, venomous and deadly critters in Australia, isn't simply taking a walk an "activity that risks the safety of self"?
 
2012-12-31 10:41:16 AM  

stpauler: Little potatoes...with feathers
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Wow, well-played, sir!
 
2012-12-31 10:43:34 AM  
If this was the US they would have tased him too.
 
2012-12-31 10:44:24 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.


Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.
 
2012-12-31 10:44:25 AM  
How would having a beacon and filing a plan have prevented his ankle injury?

Nanny-state control-boner is all this is.

Have you filed your poop request in triplicate? You can't poop without a permit.
 
2012-12-31 10:46:59 AM  

KarmicDisaster: If this was the US they would have tased him too.


And bludgeoned him about the head and shoulders to teach him a lesson
 
2012-12-31 10:47:37 AM  

markie_farkie: [25.media.tumblr.com image 240x133]


One does not simply trek to Mordor, with only lembas and potatoes for sustenance!
 
2012-12-31 10:50:47 AM  

HotWingAgenda: A kilo of potatoes and naan bread?  That's enough for like 2 meals, and he told people he was going on a three day hike.  That was reckless.


Well, he was gonna kill lizards, too.
 
2012-12-31 10:52:50 AM  

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.


So, what you're upset about is the name of the fine? You'd be happier if they called it a fine for "doing something so monumentally stupid that two helicopters had to be dispatched to save your sorry ass"?
 
2012-12-31 10:53:42 AM  

moothemagiccow: vudukungfu: ZAZ: In New Hampshire if you don't pay these hiking fines they'll revoke your driver's license.


So when they tell you you aren't allowed to drive anymore, they will fine you for walking?
Hell of a racket they got there.

If you try to sit, they'll tax your seat


The one you have right over there?
 
2012-12-31 10:54:11 AM  
To be fair, he had been given a list of the items he needed to bring, but he decided that he was having naan of that.
 
2012-12-31 10:55:24 AM  
FTFA: 'The man has been given a $500 infringement notice for engaging "in activity that risks the safety of self/others".'

Or as we call it here in the States: 'Saturday night'.
 
2012-12-31 10:56:46 AM  
"Getting the basics right with trekking is so easy - all people have to do is . . . carry a personal locator beacon,"

They misspelled bacon.
 
2012-12-31 10:56:48 AM  

stpauler: Little potatoes...with feathers
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i27.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 10:57:25 AM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: [i291.photobucket.com image 500x360]


Man shall not live by bread alone.
Elves and naan are another matter.
 
2012-12-31 10:58:05 AM  

The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.


And Vatican City has a population of seven popes per square mile. Extrapolating is fun!

The law is obviously intended to be used for situations like this one, where stupid people try to cross 90 km of green crap with the trees and the scrub and the not water with a kilo of bread and some frigging potatoes, seriously risking death and necessitating other people putting themselves in peril to go get him. It's not for people who cross the road, come on.
 
2012-12-31 10:58:25 AM  

hlehmann: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

No, it sounds like he got injured and had to be rescued, which has nothing to do with how much food he's carrying. You can argue that he shouldn't have been hiking alone, but even if he had one or two other people with him they would have been very hard pressed to get him out of there without outside assistance.

There's also this:
"Getting the basics right with trekking is so easy - all people have to do is notify the police or other responsible person of their trip intention and carry a personal locator beacon," he said. "Making use of available technology, together with some commonsense trip preparation, could mean the difference between life or death."

Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons. Too many of the calls from those things are from hikers were tired and just didn't want to walk all the way back. They instill false confidence which only leads to more wilderness accidents, not fewer.


So, they are the condoms of the wilderness?
 
2012-12-31 10:58:59 AM  

99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.


This.  If you want to impress a  chick, you can always make shiat up.
 
2012-12-31 11:02:22 AM  
Drongo.
 
2012-12-31 11:04:07 AM  
hlehmann:
The new SPOT beacons do have a provision for communicating with family or friends without signaling distress, but from what I've seen that's just an extra service for which you pay a subscription fee. Most beacons are an all-or-nothing deal, either the rescue services hear nothing, or they hear "Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!!".

The tracking feature is best.  There's no need for the "texting" option.  The tracking feature is an extra $50.

I've always thought there should be some kind of "cancel" button or at least some quick way to distinguish the severity of the emergency.  I know one of these days they will have two way comm. with the rescue service and that will help -
 
2012-12-31 11:12:13 AM  
ready-up.net

Knows a few things about hiking through God-knows-where with potatoes.
 
2012-12-31 11:13:03 AM  
What kind of stove was he carrying?
 
2012-12-31 11:15:31 AM  
 
2012-12-31 11:20:06 AM  

Parthenogenetic: markie_farkie: [25.media.tumblr.com image 240x133]

One does not simply trek to Mordor, with only lembas and potatoes for sustenance!


Certainly true, what with Mordor being in New Zealand.
 
2012-12-31 11:20:49 AM  

99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.


Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...
 
2012-12-31 11:32:24 AM  
So you get fined for making the tax funded Rescue Services get up off their fat asses and do their job?

Why bother to have them? Why bother to fund them? Leave it to private rescue groups that are paid by the job.
 
2012-12-31 11:38:50 AM  

CheekyMonkey: 99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.

Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...


They destined to die off due to lack of mates.
 
2012-12-31 11:40:28 AM  

hubiestubert: kim jong-un: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: He wasn't fined for hiking with only potatoes and bread. He was fined for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others". The fact that they had to send out Search/Rescue is clearly proof of that. Based on the article, it sounds like he did everything wrong (including not bringing enough provisions).

I agree he was unprepared, but that charge is really stretching it. He didn't put anyone at risk. They don't have to save him.

Actually, that's sort of the job of these rescue folks. Perhaps it isn't bootstrappy enough for you though...


I agree, but the charge doesn't fit. If he intentionally made their job of rescuing dangerous I'd agree, but he should be charged for being unprepared.

Rescuers doing their job is NOT putting them at risk when it is just a simple search. Unless everyone ever rescued gets charged, its just the state stretching a law rather than just admitting they don't have a law to charge him with.

Pass a law against hiking unprepared, don't stretch a law to cover unrelated cases.

It's not bootstrappy, it is good governance.
 
2012-12-31 11:45:18 AM  

CheekyMonkey: 99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.

Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...


It isn't really a species if it never passes on it's genes. A drone of some sort, at best. Specialized for passing all revenue generated directly to junk food and japanese porn manufacturers.
 
2012-12-31 11:45:56 AM  
About as outdoorsie as I get is a parking lot without stripes or an occasional John Denver Album.
 
2012-12-31 11:47:20 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how nannyish its nanny government can be.

You're right. They should have left him out there to die instead of sending rescue crews.

Congratulations on your massive logic fail. The nanny-government fine has nothing to do with that. They fined him for "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", farking HIKING. I could understand them charging him for the rescue, but not "engaging in activity that risks the safety of self/others", everything you do is a risk to yourself and others. Driving a farking car is a risk to yourself and others.

So, what you're upset about is the name of the fine? You'd be happier if they called it a fine for "doing something so monumentally stupid that two helicopters had to be dispatched to save your sorry ass"?


Not the name of the fine. It is poor practice to use a loose interpretation of laws (as opposed to rights). You should always be able to know if a law applies to your actions with minimal ambiguity.

Using laws like this, it is hard to know that you aren't risking penalties. A law which states minimum volumes of water and rations (or for major treks, filing a trip plan) would be discrete and leave little ambiguity.
 
2012-12-31 11:51:41 AM  
www.sadanduseless.com

/oh ho ho ho
//is hot
 
2012-12-31 11:54:10 AM  

kim jong-un: Using laws like this, it is hard to know that you aren't risking penalties. A law which states minimum volumes of water and rations (or for major treks, filing a trip plan) would be discrete and leave little ambiguity.


That's hard to tell from the short title of the offence. Can an Aussie farker help us with the full text of the actual statute?
 
2012-12-31 12:01:02 PM  
I'm going walkabout. With eight tons of potatoes (and bacon bits.)
 
2012-12-31 12:02:15 PM  

Evil Mackerel: CheekyMonkey: 99.998er: I don't get any of this. Why hike treacherous terrain at all? Humans have evolved millions of years to have the comfort of a nice dwelling, available food, electricity, paid-for stripper, beer, and a football game on TV.

Evolution in action, everybody. I give you Homo Momsbasementdwellerus...

They are destined to die off due to lack of mates.


FTFM
 
2012-12-31 12:12:00 PM  
But did he have enough clean underwear?
 
2012-12-31 12:23:37 PM  

offmymeds: [www.sadanduseless.com image 660x495]

/oh ho ho ho
//is hot


What did one potato say to the other? Nothing! No family has 2 potatoes!
 
2012-12-31 12:40:12 PM  

hlehmann: Ask anyone that works in mountain rescue organization what they think of those rescue beacons.


Regardless of how people misuse them, they do work, right? Certainly we could do something to disincentive misuse, but even without that the beacons still do help rescue people with genuine need -- and save rescuers time and effort and risk in locating such people -- don't they?
 
2012-12-31 12:40:32 PM  
misread as: Hitler fined for only having potatoes and bread for food on his trek

What's the big deal? He's a vegetarian.
 
2012-12-31 12:48:06 PM  

notmtwain: Presumably he also had water, but they didn't mention it.  According to one site, a kilo of potatoes would be only 800 calories and a kilo of naan about 2500 calories-  so even if he had a kilo of each, he wouldn't have had enough to supply energy for intense hiking for three days.

// Old mother Hubbard's dog had to make do with naan.

// Even if he had had a locator beacon, the nanny boys would have given him a lecture.


Well, it sounded like that's what he had LEFT after three days, which isn't so bad. Also bear in mind that body fat is worth something like 1800-2000 calories per kilo. Eating "light" for a few days (for the amount of effort being expended) isn't necessarily a bad thing all by itself.

/Not that this means he wasn't reckless anyway...
//What, this far and still no "Naan-y state" puns?
 
2012-12-31 12:51:42 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www-tc.pbs.org image 600x250]
Would have given them fits.


Yeah, probably. For those who don't know, John Muir did all kinds of crazy stuff with little food. Climbed Mt. Ritter (with a 10 miles trek there and back) with just a crust of bread stuck in his belt. Hiked up Illilouette Canyon in the winter with nothing but his greatcoat, a pound of flour, a pound of bacon and a skillet. He was well known for enduring deprivation.
 
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2012-12-31 12:53:54 PM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

naan naan naan naan naan
 
2012-12-31 01:15:29 PM  

wax_on: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: [www-tc.pbs.org image 600x250]
Would have given them fits.

Yeah, probably. For those who don't know, John Muir did all kinds of crazy stuff with little food. Climbed Mt. Ritter (with a 10 miles trek there and back) with just a crust of bread stuck in his belt. Hiked up Illilouette Canyon in the winter with nothing but his greatcoat, a pound of flour, a pound of bacon and a skillet. He was well known for enduring deprivation.


Now I have to batter up some bacon for the deep fryer. Thanks for killing me.
 
2012-12-31 01:37:08 PM  
The Only Sane Man In Florida: Australia yet again shows how naannyish its naanny government can be.

Fixed.
 
2012-12-31 02:01:42 PM  
I propose fining anyone who doesn't have ample rations next to themselves when they sit in a slatted chair.
 
2012-12-31 02:37:13 PM  
Should have brought 2 kilos of beef jerky.

They were just charging him for the rescue. If he had been fully geared it would have been harder to make a fine stick.

Sometimes the rescuers hate the rescued for being stupid and unprepared. I once heard a skiing rescuer go off on a rant against stupid people who ski wearing all cotton clothes.
 
2012-12-31 02:48:08 PM  
Trumpy, you can do magic things!
 
2012-12-31 02:48:32 PM  
Rare good ballast for an empty stomach.
 
2012-12-31 03:11:59 PM  
Excellent. I'd like to see this become standard policy. Although I think the fine should be high enough to cover the search and rescue expense.
 
2012-12-31 03:14:13 PM  

LOTN: japanese porn manufacturers.


It's a trap
 
2012-12-31 03:20:02 PM  

WeenerGord: Should have brought 2 kilos of beef jerky.

They were just charging him for the rescue. If he had been fully geared it would have been harder to make a fine stick.

Sometimes the rescuers hate the rescued for being stupid and unprepared. I once heard a skiing rescuer go off on a rant against stupid people who ski wearing all cotton clothes.


They actually SELL ski clothes made of cotton?
 
2012-12-31 03:24:16 PM  

Nogale: WeenerGord: Should have brought 2 kilos of beef jerky.

They were just charging him for the rescue. If he had been fully geared it would have been harder to make a fine stick.

Sometimes the rescuers hate the rescued for being stupid and unprepared. I once heard a skiing rescuer go off on a rant against stupid people who ski wearing all cotton clothes.

They actually SELL ski clothes made of cotton?


Who said they were ski clothes?
 
2012-12-31 03:26:28 PM  
I live near where this guy was rescued. We heard the helicopter. Every bloody weekend we hear a helicopter out searching and rescuing stupid tourists and out of towners. I'm glad he was fined.

Bread and potatoes, hardly any water, no GPS locator, he was totally unprepared for even 1 day in the bush!
 
2012-12-31 04:07:35 PM  
I used to go for several-day hikes with a gallon of water. And mescaline. Lots and lots of mescaline.


The glowing dogs always led me back home.
 
2012-12-31 05:26:46 PM  

mark12A: So you get fined for making the tax funded Rescue Services get up off their fat asses and do their job?

Why bother to have them? Why bother to fund them? Leave it to private rescue groups that are paid by the job.


If it's the SES, and it probably would be, then they're volunteers.
 
2012-12-31 05:29:03 PM  
Nanny state for holding people accountable for their dumb-ass actions comments coming from inhabitants of a fascist police state.

Re. article - I'm ok with this.
 
2012-12-31 08:06:59 PM  

ktybear: I live near where this guy was rescued. We heard the helicopter. Every bloody weekend we hear a helicopter out searching and rescuing stupid tourists and out of towners. I'm glad he was fined.

Bread and potatoes, hardly any water, no GPS locator, he was totally unprepared for even 1 day in the bush!


Yeah as a Kiwi I sympathise. Both tourists and locals trying to head out for a day on a mountain trail in shorts, t-shirts, jandals, and maybe a bottle of water. No wet weather gear, no provisions, no beacon, nothing. Idiots.

Always research the local conditions, always take provisions and wet weather gear even for a trek of only a couple of hours. Two hours from the closest phone is a really long way when you're lost and/or it's suddenly pouring with rain and near freezing. And take a beacon, or they will probably only find what remains of you after the animals are done.
 
2012-12-31 08:17:56 PM  
Pfft I go on treks with just 12 grandfather clocks and a hat
 
2012-12-31 08:25:47 PM  
If he had just watched TV none of this would have happened.

///then again, were the rescuers unprepared? Because if they weren't, how were they put at risk?
 
2012-12-31 10:54:08 PM  

siyuntz: Now that we're smack in the middle of climbers-getting-lost/stranded-on-Mt.-Hood season, I'll restate my position: People going on these dangerous treks or climbs who don't want to bother with a locator beacon should have to sign some sort of form to the effect that (A) they waive their right to be rescued, or (B) they agree to pay any and all costs associated with said rescue should they require it.


That's just farking stupid. I've seen situations where PLB's give a false sense of security so people do stupid shiat because they have them. Would it be nice? Sure. Should it be mandatory? No. Because as long as it's not above 20k feet, we don't farking leave people behind. Period.

Death zone.

DRINK!

/tanked
 
2013-01-01 12:41:22 PM  
"Getting the basics right with trekking is so easy - all people have to do is notify the police or other responsible person of their trip intention and carry a personal locator beacon,"


i would probably carry some lobster bacon too
 
2013-01-01 01:30:11 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I used to go for several-day hikes with a gallon of water. And mescaline. Lots and lots of mescaline.


The glowing dogs always led me back home.


NEVER FOLLOW THE COYOTE! My roommate was warned, but the he followed the coyote. The other animals looked at him and said, "Hey man are you ok?" They coyote said, "Follow me, I know what you need." Eventually the coyote disappeared and my roommate saw a diner in the distance. Later, he went back to the 'res' and found that he had been dropping his gear all over the place for a mile in the desert.

/It was peyote though.
 
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