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2012-12-31 12:39:25 AM
aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?
 
2012-12-31 12:48:13 AM
Done in one.
 
2012-12-31 12:51:42 AM
Combine that with a form of fusion and we'll have all the power we'll ever need.
 
2012-12-31 12:52:18 AM
What a Hot Body may look like:

i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-31 12:55:36 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
As usual the Brits are way ahead of the Frenchies.
 
2012-12-31 12:56:25 AM
You'd likely need to light yourself on fire to output 25,000 BTU....though 2500 is reasonably possible for periods of very heavy output...

/the more you know
//Sunday night buzzkill...
 
2012-12-31 12:58:58 AM

Sasquach: You'd likely need to light yourself on fire to output 25,000 BTU....though 2500 is reasonably possible for periods of very heavy output...

/the more you know
//Sunday night buzzkill...



How much is that in French thermal units?
 
2012-12-31 12:59:26 AM
Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?
 
2012-12-31 01:03:10 AM

duffblue: Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?


No, because hippies and communists.
 
2012-12-31 01:05:10 AM

duffblue: Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?


How do you mean? Geothermal?
 
2012-12-31 01:05:11 AM
I sense someone somewhere in a colorful costume is plotting a device to reverse the flow of heat. Perhaps The Riddler?
 
2012-12-31 01:12:48 AM
Wow. Neanderthals "used" this method to warm their caves.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:14 AM
Everyday I'm Shuffling.
 
2012-12-31 01:17:59 AM

Sasquach: You'd likely need to light yourself on fire to output 25,000 BTU....though 2500 is reasonably possible for periods of very heavy output...


Not at all, it'll just take you 50 - 100 hours. (The correct unit is BTU/hr, and yes it matters when you're playing in the realm of massive radiant systems where both BTU storage and BTU/hr delivery rate are important.)

/2 weeks off work, surprised to see a Fark thread where I can start dusting off the basics
 
2012-12-31 01:19:39 AM
Great!
 
2012-12-31 01:19:41 AM
As long as they don't try siphoning our precious bodily fluids.....
 
2012-12-31 01:19:50 AM
What about the smell
 
2012-12-31 01:22:38 AM

Salmon: What about the smell


You'll get over it
 
2012-12-31 01:22:44 AM
As a sidenote, no way in hell that you can use just low quality waste heat at 70F alone to heat a building via a radiant system. I can heat a building radiantly in any climate with 75F water, but there is at least a 5F approach on the coil recovering that heat. So, you need a waste heat stream around 80F minimum. And that's only if you have a hard core sustainable ME like me.

What is usually done is the warm air stream is used in conjunction with a heat pump to concentrate the heat and boost it up to what the building needs. Neat, yes, but that requires power and more complexity.

The real hard core exciting tech isn't the heat recovery, it is the building design that keeps enough heat in to make very low rate and quality heat sources viable. In particular, the triple element low-e windows and various insulating frames are farking awesome.
 
2012-12-31 01:30:21 AM

Raw_fishFood: duffblue: Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?

No, because hippies and communists.


What does that reply even mean? Iceland has as fairly conservative people and government. It's is also one of the most religious nations in the first world next to the U.S. Hippies from Iceland are known to move to neighboring Denmark to get out of the admittedly rough and demanding life of fishing in sub-zero weather for a living, with the longest work week in Europe at around 50 hours per week.
 
2012-12-31 01:36:47 AM
I hope that they do not siphon off the stench, too Because what would just stink.
 
2012-12-31 01:37:24 AM
* that
 
2012-12-31 01:37:59 AM
They could keep all of Washington warm if they just harnessed all the hot air from the House of Representatives and the Senate.
 
2012-12-31 01:39:12 AM

duffblue: Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?


It is being used in some parts of America.
 
2012-12-31 01:50:49 AM
media.tumblr.com

I swear, it's a french perpetual motion machine
 
2012-12-31 01:51:15 AM

duffblue: Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?


You mean like half of downtown Boise uses? One of the most conservative cities in the country and we're using geothermal to heavily that they can't use any more. You bet your ass we'll rape Mother Earth and use her warm, juicy insides to keep us warm and do it on the cheap.
 
2012-12-31 02:38:24 AM
While it isn't quite up to passive house standards, my 1,000 sq.ft. house only requires some 6,000 BTU of heat to maintain a comfortable 73 degrees, down to about 7 degrees below freezing outside.

It's amazing what R-60 worth of insulation in the ceiling and R-40 in the floors, along with detailed air sealing can do for your utility costs. Toss in a mini-split heat pump, heat pump water heater, energy recovery ventilator and 3.8KW of solar panels, and you have yourself a self sufficient home, that is largely heated by the television and the body heat of the occupants.

/I love my house.
 
2012-12-31 02:48:25 AM

Smeggy Smurf: You bet your ass we'll rape Mother Earth and use her warm, juicy insides to keep us warm and do it on the cheap.


It's better than using solar energy and sucking all the light out of the sun.
 
2012-12-31 02:49:41 AM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: What a Hot Body may look like:

[i291.photobucket.com image 752x1111]


It works! My temperature just went up.
 
2012-12-31 02:50:55 AM

fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?


If you've got "a form of fusion" YOU DON'T NEED TO HARVEST FARKING BODIES, YA CYBERNETIC JACKWAGONS!
 
2012-12-31 03:05:09 AM
Came for energy vs. power distinction, ...
2500 btu = 2637639.6 joule BTW.
 
2012-12-31 03:06:24 AM

IWood: fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?

If you've got "a form of fusion" YOU DON'T NEED TO HARVEST FARKING BODIES, YA CYBERNETIC JACKWAGONS!


i always held that they harvested energy from people as a form of punishment and to keep people from doing things like trying to kill the machines.

/my idea makes more sense than matrix 2 and 3
 
2012-12-31 03:21:28 AM

fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?


Good question. Research shows the answer is embout cuivré, literally "copper tip."

/I know you were being rhetorical, but I was genuinely curious
 
2012-12-31 03:27:43 AM

CthulhuCalling: IWood: fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?

If you've got "a form of fusion" YOU DON'T NEED TO HARVEST FARKING BODIES, YA CYBERNETIC JACKWAGONS!

i always held that they harvested energy from people as a form of punishment and to keep people from doing things like trying to kill the machines.

/my idea makes more sense than matrix 2 and 3


And I've always held that the whole farking movie is a metaphor.
 
2012-12-31 03:39:32 AM
It's hard to get excited over such a very old idea, but Diane Ackerman manages to do so. Next thing you know she'll be puzzling over how architects deal with excess body heat on warmer days and she'll have a whole new topic for another article.
 
2012-12-31 03:53:53 AM
Next, they'll be using rock musicians as just an "industry of ...cool" in the summers.
 
2012-12-31 04:40:09 AM
They used OUR body heat to heat PUBLIC HOUSING units?!! Over my dead body! Commies.
 
2012-12-31 04:57:42 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Raw_fishFood: duffblue: Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?

No, because hippies and communists.

What does that reply even mean? Iceland has as fairly conservative people and government. It's is also one of the most religious nations in the first world next to the U.S. Hippies from Iceland are known to move to neighboring Denmark to get out of the admittedly rough and demanding life of fishing in sub-zero weather for a living, with the longest work week in Europe at around 50 hours per week.


"A Gallup poll conducted in 2011 found that 60% of Icelanders considered religion to be unimportant in their daily lives, one of the highest rates of irreligion in the world.[2]"
 
2012-12-31 05:11:59 AM
Behold, the power of cheese!

/It's farking cold in IL. today
 
2012-12-31 05:13:55 AM

LewDux: Gallup poll conducted in 2011 found that 60% of Icelanders considered religion to be unimportant in their daily lives, one of the highest rates of irreligion in the world.[2]"


Heh, from your own link it shows 76% of people who belong to the Church of Iceland, and another 11% christian. That's 88% right there, not counting other religions. Non-religious and "unimportant in their daily lives" is apparently two different things. Even in the U.S. the number of people who check "none" on a religion survey is 20%.  More than iceland.
 
2012-12-31 05:39:06 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: LewDux: Gallup poll conducted in 2011 found that 60% of Icelanders considered religion to be unimportant in their daily lives, one of the highest rates of irreligion in the world.[2]"

Heh, from your own link it shows 76% of people who belong to the Church of Iceland, and another 11% christian. That's 88% right there, not counting other religions. Non-religious and "unimportant in their daily lives" is apparently two different things. Even in the U.S. the number of people who check "none" on a religion survey is 20%.  More than iceland.


"However, these statistics are by some considered misleading since most people are automatically registered as members of the Church of Iceland"

and from talk page "I second that I am an atheist but it's just too complicated and problematic to try to get signed out of the church (I live in Iceland)."
 
2012-12-31 06:01:24 AM

LewDux: "However, these statistics are by some considered misleading since most people are automatically registered as members of the Church of Iceland"


Ah, now that I didn't know. Automatically by who? The government?

Still by European standards it is considered a religious nation, the most religious. The U.S. has more non-religious. However, from a U.S. perspective, we have to keep in mind we are talking about a nation with about the population of St. Louis Missouri too.
 
2012-12-31 06:04:55 AM

LewDux: Church of Iceland"

randabrauð

or death?

/sorry, had to.
 
2012-12-31 06:26:27 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: LewDux: "However, these statistics are by some considered misleading since most people are automatically registered as members of the Church of Iceland"

Ah, now that I didn't know. Automatically by who? The government?

Still by European standards it is considered a religious nation, the most religious. The U.S. has more non-religious. However, from a U.S. perspective, we have to keep in mind we are talking about a nation with about the population of St. Louis Missouri too.


The most religious nations in Europe were Italy and Poland - overwhelmingly Catholic countries - with about 87 percent of their citizens claiming to be religious.

..

Meanwhile, Germany, Austria and Switzerland had an average 70 percent religious population and about 20 percent highly religious population.
Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-reveals-most-religious-nations -in-the-world-30562/#Pqblq8MxQY2eKIf1.99
Whar is Iceland? Whar?
 
2012-12-31 06:36:48 AM

Pribar: As long as they don't try siphoning our precious bodily fluids.....


It depends how ;-)
 
2012-12-31 06:46:19 AM

LewDux: The most religious nations in Europe were Italy and Poland - overwhelmingly Catholic countries - with about 87 percent of their citizens claiming to be religious.


Okay, wiki.org is listing even higher percentages for Iceland. But that's cool. It's no biggie.

LewDux: Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/study-reveals-most-religious-nations -in-the-world-30562/#Pqblq8MxQY2eKIf1.99


I'm probably more inclined to go with a wiki.org source than a commercial website called christianpost, but the link didn't copy-pasta correctly for me anyway.
 
2012-12-31 06:59:48 AM

Amos Quito: Sasquach: You'd likely need to light yourself on fire to output 25,000 BTU....though 2500 is reasonably possible for periods of very heavy output...

/the more you know
//Sunday night buzzkill...


How much is that in French thermal units?


Royale with cheese?
 
2012-12-31 07:30:27 AM

Pribar: As long as they don't try siphoning our precious bodily fluids.....


Came for the Strangelove, leavin' satisfied...
 
2012-12-31 07:30:47 AM
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-12-31 07:33:18 AM

Pribar: As long as they don't try siphoning our precious bodily fluids.....


well... that kind of depends on what they are siphoning  :)
 
2012-12-31 07:46:32 AM

jtown: Thanks for the Meme-ries: What a Hot Body may look like:

[i291.photobucket.com image 752x1111]

It works! My temperature just went up.


I'm sure something else went up as well.
 
2012-12-31 08:14:46 AM

MrSteve007: While it isn't quite up to passive house standards, my 1,000 sq.ft. house only requires some 6,000 BTU of heat to maintain a comfortable 73 degrees, down to about 7 degrees below freezing outside.

It's amazing what R-60 worth of insulation in the ceiling and R-40 in the floors, along with detailed air sealing can do for your utility costs. Toss in a mini-split heat pump, heat pump water heater, energy recovery ventilator and 3.8KW of solar panels, and you have yourself a self sufficient home, that is largely heated by the television and the body heat of the occupants.

/I love my house.


My God. Home-facilities management porn.
 
2012-12-31 08:20:09 AM
Mall of America is built like this, it is very much dependent on the body heat of it's visitors for over 20 years now.
 
2012-12-31 08:29:13 AM
I'd love for some Swedish body heat to keep me warm.

farm4.static.flickr.com /hot and hot
 
2012-12-31 09:01:53 AM
This will do nothing but hasten the eventual heat death of the universe. Entropy, it's a thing.
 
2012-12-31 09:24:28 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: LewDux: "However, these statistics are by some considered misleading since most people are automatically registered as members of the Church of Iceland"

Ah, now that I didn't know. Automatically by who? The government?


Basically, yes. Those stats are for who is on the church's administrative rolls, not what the people claim they are. I'd imagine it's as hard to get off those lists as it is to get off a church or charity's mailing list here.

It looks like the more usual polls of the people which I can find are listing 23% athiest/agnostic and that stat is usually far lower than simply 'not religious' or 'none'.

In any country it seems that looking at beliefs vs. church membership vs. claimed religion are quite different questions, with the results further apart than you'd initially suspect - really apples & oranges. I guess some methods of measurement, some leading questions, and some due to social pressure... even here many people will claim they are Christian if you ask their religion, and few will claim to be atheist or agnostic but a larger number will also say there is no God if you ask their beliefs. It's surprising how mutable those polls are based on very particular details.
 
2012-12-31 09:32:40 AM
You can make spiffy stuff when you don't spend most of your R & D money on weapons, and allow the largest companies and banks to pay little or no taxes.
 
2012-12-31 09:44:44 AM
Amateurs.

In New York City, the body heat from our rats keeps the stations at a balmy 82 degrees.
 
2012-12-31 10:03:01 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Amateurs.

In New York City, the body heat from our rats keeps the stations at a balmy 82 degrees.


Sure but the cold hearted broads keeps the real temperature somewhere around -20F
 
2012-12-31 11:07:48 AM
Great idea but they should be required to compensate the energy producers.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:46 AM
This reminds me of a guy on sharktank that pitched his reusing of clothes dryer air for heating the house. Yeah it works if you want really humid air.
There's no such thing as a free lunch, if they are siphoning off heat in the winter from one room it means those people in the first room have to produce more heat to stay warm. Now if it is excess heat like in the summer that might be different.
In the gas turbine community (which frowns upon your shenanigans) this is called cogeneration and has been in use for decades.
 
2012-12-31 11:21:52 AM

fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?


Boobies

/satisfied
 
2012-12-31 11:31:41 AM

lelio: This reminds me of a guy on sharktank that pitched his reusing of clothes dryer air for heating the house. Yeah it works if you want really humid air.


You could use a heat exchanger. Essentially two separate ducts connected by a common heatsink. Blow the humid, hot air out through one, and pull air in through the other. Similar to the waste-heat recovery vents they make, except you could just use interior air on the intake side.
 
2012-12-31 11:38:13 AM
When I was young and poor, I regularly had potluck parties at the house. The place would fill up and get warmer. I could turn the heat off after the third or fourth person showed up. Bonus is that I'd have all this wine and beer left over.

I used to have an exercise bike. A relative lived with me who was a marathoner. He'd regularly use the bike and I'd watch the temperature of the room he was in tick up by two degrees. He eventually killed the bike, but at least it did not serve its tenure as a coat rack.
 
2012-12-31 11:41:11 AM

Smeggy Smurf: duffblue: Would Iceland's way of heating their buildings work over in the States?

You mean like half of downtown Boise uses? One of the most conservative cities in the country and we're using geothermal to heavily that they can't use any more. You bet your ass we'll rape Mother Earth and use her warm, juicy insides to keep us warm and do it on the cheap.


farm4.static.flickr.com
Made me think of this...
 
2012-12-31 03:23:51 PM

Amos Quito: Sasquach: You'd likely need to light yourself on fire to output 25,000 BTU....though 2500 is reasonably possible for periods of very heavy output...

/the more you know
//Sunday night buzzkill...


How much is that in French thermal units?


When you read it, joule shiat bricks.
 
2012-12-31 05:43:18 PM

CthulhuCalling: IWood: fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?

If you've got "a form of fusion" YOU DON'T NEED TO HARVEST FARKING BODIES, YA CYBERNETIC JACKWAGONS!

i always held that they harvested energy from people as a form of punishment and to keep people from doing things like trying to kill the machines.

/my idea makes more sense than matrix 2 and 3


If it was energy they wanted they could have used potatoes. The original script had them using human brains for extra processing power, iirc. But they changed it because some suit thought that concept was too confusing.
 
2012-12-31 08:04:55 PM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: What a Hot Body may look like:

[i291.photobucket.com image 752x1111]


I....speechless
 
2012-12-31 10:41:26 PM

CthulhuCalling: IWood: fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?

If you've got "a form of fusion" YOU DON'T NEED TO HARVEST FARKING BODIES, YA CYBERNETIC JACKWAGONS!

i always held that they harvested energy from people as a form of punishment and to keep people from doing things like trying to kill the machines.

/my idea makes more sense than matrix 2 and 3


I always held that Morpheus didn't know what he was talking about, that it was the humans' brains that the machines were using to form a giant supercomputer. The Matrix itself may be organic and not mechanical, it may be the sum total of all those brains.
 
2013-01-01 04:21:38 PM

fusillade762: [aihndigitalimagingiisummer2010.wikispaces.com image 562x239]

How do you say "Coppertop" in French?


haut de cuivre
 
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