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(Digital Spy)   Despite a frightening lack of Pierce Brosnan, Skyfall becomes the first James Bond film to hit $1 billion   (digitalspy.com) divider line 114
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2012-12-30 05:52:18 PM
Trolltastic headline if I ever saw one. Craig is at least twice the Bond that Brosnan ever was, even with the misstep that was Quantum Solace. Get over it, subby.
 
2012-12-30 06:01:53 PM

Apos: Trolltastic headline


*ding ding ding ding*

Exactly. I wouldn't mind the trolltastic headlines if they were funny or creative.

This? Strictly bush league stuff. We're better than this.


That said, Skyfall is awesome, as is Daniel Craig as Bond. Whatever problems exist with Quantum of Solace (of which there are plenty), you *can't* fault Craig. He brings it each and every time.

Definitely better than Brosnan's Bond from my humblest of humble points of view.
 
2012-12-30 06:03:21 PM

Apos: Trolltastic headline if I ever saw one. Craig is at least twice the Bond that Brosnan ever was, even with the misstep that was Quantum Solace. Get over it, subby.


That's mathematically provable, even: Craig has had two good bond movies so far. Brosnan only had one.

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Dr No - 98
From Russia with Love - 97
Goldfinger - 96
Thunderball - 91
You Only Live Twice - 70

On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 81

Diamonds Are Forever - 67

Live and Let Die - 63
The Man with the Golden Gun - 52
The Spy Who Loved Me - 78
Moonraker - 64
For Your Eyes Only - 74
Octopussy - 47
A View to a Kill - 39

Living Daylights - 73
License to Kill - 71

Goldeneye - 80
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The World Is Not Enough - 51
Die Another Day - 59

Casino Royale - 94
Quantum of Solace - 63
Skyfall - 92
 
2012-12-30 06:04:39 PM

fusillade762: That's mathematically provable, even: Craig has had two good bond movies so far. Brosnan only had one.


SCIENCE!
 
2012-12-30 06:14:24 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: Trolltastic headline

*ding ding ding ding*

Exactly. I wouldn't mind the trolltastic headlines if they were funny or creative.

This? Strictly bush league stuff. We're better than this.


That said, Skyfall is awesome, as is Daniel Craig as Bond. Whatever problems exist with Quantum of Solace (of which there are plenty), you *can't* fault Craig. He brings it each and every time.

Definitely better than Brosnan's Bond from my humblest of humble points of view.


Amen to all that, amigo.
 
2012-12-30 06:16:18 PM

fusillade762: Apos: Trolltastic headline if I ever saw one. Craig is at least twice the Bond that Brosnan ever was, even with the misstep that was Quantum Solace. Get over it, subby.

That's mathematically provable, even: Craig has had two good bond movies so far. Brosnan only had one.

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Dr No - 98
From Russia with Love - 97
Goldfinger - 96
Thunderball - 91
You Only Live Twice - 70

On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 81

Diamonds Are Forever - 67

Live and Let Die - 63
The Man with the Golden Gun - 52
The Spy Who Loved Me - 78
Moonraker - 64
For Your Eyes Only - 74
Octopussy - 47
A View to a Kill - 39

Living Daylights - 73
License to Kill - 71

Goldeneye - 80
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The World Is Not Enough - 51
Die Another Day - 59

Casino Royale - 94
Quantum of Solace - 63
Skyfall - 92



Precisely.
 
2012-12-30 06:18:02 PM
Skyfall was great while you were watching it. Once it's over and you start thinking about it, it doesn't hold up. And then you get mad that you were tricked into thinking that it was good.

it was enjoyable to watch.

it wasn't a good movie and it definitely wasn't a good James Bond movie.

and for everyone who biatched that Michael Caine's foreshadowing in TDKR giving away the ending, the opening title sequence of Skyfall, which was visually awesome, gives away the whole movie. and Adele's song was painfully droning. It wasn't 'mesmerizing' or 'haunting', it was painful.

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2012-12-30 06:30:36 PM
I like both Brosnan and Craig as James Bond. But apparently that isn't allowed, we're only supposed to like a single version of a character.
 
2012-12-30 06:31:44 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Definitely better than Brosnan's Bond from my humblest of humble points of view.


You wound me Sir. You and I usually see eye to eye on pop culture bullshiat. But Brosnan was the best Bond, even if he didn't have the best movies. Craig is a humorless Jason Bourne clone. Brosnan knew how to look like he had fun chugging vodka, dogging girls and shooting the bad guys. Craig's Bond  might be closer to the books but he's boring.

Having said that, Skyfall was a great Bond film. But it would have been better with Brosnan. And the old Q. Sick of movie computer hackers.
 
2012-12-30 06:35:45 PM
I thought Brosnan was a better Bond, but cursed with inferior scripts.
 
2012-12-30 06:41:02 PM

MayoSlather: I thought Brosnan was a better Bond, but cursed with inferior scripts.


Well GoldenEye was maybe my favorite but Die Another Day was terrible. I still don't know WTF that movie was even about. Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough were okay. The World is Not Enough had the best opening song, IMO. Shirley Manson, ftw.

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2012-12-30 07:00:09 PM
Did you just say . . .

finalbossfight.co.uk
 
2012-12-30 07:25:26 PM
why dont people like quantum? i preferred it to skyfall

spoilers:

1. i dont care about bonds childhood. boo hoo, youre an orphan. it doesnt make you any more interesting a character
2. i dont need to see bond go on a bender cause boo hoo mi6 abandoned me
3. i dont need to see bond play castle defense. youre a super spy. youre supposed to infiltrate secret lairs, not turtle up in an abandoned home. it was better done in la confidential anyways
4. i dont need to see bond cry

wtf happened to quantum anyways? the way the first 2 films set up this nefarious global organization was great

sad to see judi dench go, but they found a good replacement in ralph fiennes.
 
2012-12-30 07:25:55 PM

Mugato: You wound me Sir. You and I usually see eye to eye on pop culture bullshiat. But Brosnan was the best Bond, even if he didn't have the best movies. Craig is a humorless Jason Bourne clone. Brosnan knew how to look like he had fun chugging vodka, dogging girls and shooting the bad guys. Craig's Bond might be closer to the books but he's boring.


Heh, that we do, actually... and nothin' personal, anyways.

It's like how Mike Nelson calls Any Which Way You Can the funnier Clyde the Orangutan movie but Every Which Way But Loose the better-made Clyde the Orangutan movie.

Brosnan's Bond is a bit more fun in my book - at the risk of being a Pungeon Master - and so that fun follows with his films (except Die Another Day, which we've already dissed to death).

Craig's Bond is more compelling to me, and I think it gives his films a more interesting edge (Quantum being an anomaly, but this has already been discussed to death) even though they may not be the thrill-park fun ride spectacles in the same vein as the Brosnan Bond movies.

If that makes sense.

Also, if it means anything, before Skyfall, I had Brosnan's Bond above Craig's Bond in the rankings, as per a previous thread. Skyfall was a game-changer for me, I guess.


Mugato: Having said that, Skyfall was a great Bond film. But it would have been better with Brosnan. And the old Q. Sick of movie computer hackers.


I want to be in the alternate universe where Brosnan and old Q are in Skyfall.

I also want to peer into the alternate universe in which Timothy Dalton stayed on for a third movie.


Mugato: The World is Not Enough had the best opening song, IMO. Shirley Manson, ftw.


No argument there. THAT song was boss.

It not only sounded great, but it also had the distinction of coming directly from the villain's point of view. I loved that.


MayoSlather: I thought Brosnan was a better Bond, but cursed with inferior scripts.


I loved what Craig did in Skyfall a whole helluva lot, but I'll second that inferior scripts thing.

They really saddled Brosnan's Bond with some silly stuff at times.

(I know, I know, Roger Moore in a clown suit, I know.)
 
2012-12-30 07:31:10 PM

calbert: Adele's song was painfully droning. It wasn't 'mesmerizing' or 'haunting', it was painful.


Well, in Adele's defense, she really does farking suck.
 
2012-12-30 07:31:24 PM
Big fan of the new dimensions that Daniel Craig brings to Bond, really liked the first two but Skyfall was pretty weak. He got M killed. It was totally his fault but with no apparent consequences.
 
2012-12-30 07:32:10 PM

Richard Roma: calbert: Adele's song was painfully droning. It wasn't 'mesmerizing' or 'haunting', it was painful.

Well, in Adele's defense, she really does farking suck.


i hear its because shes hungry
 
2012-12-30 07:33:13 PM

Mugato: The World is Not Enough had the best opening song, IMO. Shirley Manson, ftw.


You'll get no argument from me on that point.
 
2012-12-30 07:37:43 PM
fark BROSNAN!
 
2012-12-30 07:38:49 PM

thisiszombocom: why dont people like quantum? i preferred it to skyfall


I didn't like QoS because of the shakycam business, methamphetamine-fueled editing, a rather blase group of villains (but I *did* like the idea of Quantum being a SPECTRE-like group of bad guys), a sorta boring Bond girl by way of Olga Kurylenko, pacing issues, a script that seemed rushed (no doubt due in part to the writers' strike), and an overall atmosphere and tone that seemed to draw much of the fun away.

And the theme song was horrible. The only lyrics I can vaguely remember are "another ringer with the quick slick trigger finger" and "another way to die." Not a huge factor in the big picture, but... blah.

That's not to say that the film doesn't have its merits. What it gets right, it gets right with a fierceness. The opera scene was great, I'll give it points for that. I also liked that they included the characters of Matthias and Felix Leitner again.

It would be interesting to see the Quantum organization again. After all, Mr. White *is* still floating around out there.
 
2012-12-30 07:39:21 PM
yeah, yeah, yeah... but why did Bond shoot Lincoln?

www.tagoartwork.com

Boom... Head Shot!
 
2012-12-30 07:43:54 PM

Gig103: I like both Brosnan and Craig as James Bond. But apparently that isn't allowed, we're only supposed to like a single version of a character.


To me they are like the Doctor. And I've been seeing them new since _Diamonds Are Forever._ Each Bond is Bond, in his own way. Some of the stories are better than others. Dalton kind of got ripped off.

I think the Craig ones are so good for now, and that's part of what's groovy about them. They each fit their era, and he's right for this one.
 
2012-12-30 07:44:43 PM

lilistonic: Dalton kind of got ripped off.


That's ALL I'm saying. Thank you.
 
2012-12-30 07:48:40 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I want to be in the alternate universe where Brosnan and old Q are in Skyfall.


Q needs to be old and the only person Bond respects and maybe even fears. Bond might trash the equipment but he's not happy about the repercussions of it. The new Q is just the same kid we see in every movie or tv show about computer hackers.

I will miss Judi Dench as M. Robbie Coltrane and Mitchell will be missed as well.
 
2012-12-30 07:53:18 PM

Mugato: I will miss Judi Dench as M. Robbie Coltrane and Mitchell will be missed as well.


THAT'S what I hated about The World is Not Enough. I mean, it might have been necessary story-wise, but I hated hated hated HATED that they killed Valentin. That dude rocked.

Mitchell should have tried to save Die Another Day. He couldn't have been worse than Michael Madsen.


Mugato: Q needs to be old and the only person Bond respects and maybe even fears. Bond might trash the equipment but he's not happy about the repercussions of it. The new Q is just the same kid we see in every movie or tv show about computer hackers.


They could give him the makeup from those creepy Duracell commercials to make him look older.

Bond having to answer to the Six Flags Guy... now THERE'S a mental image for ya!
 
2012-12-30 07:59:25 PM
Pointless stat. Music is ranked on units sold, as well as books, cars, ad nauseum. And you can stick your 'adjusted for inflation' bullshiat where it belongs. In your ass.

How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.
 
2012-12-30 08:03:15 PM

John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.


That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.
 
2012-12-30 08:03:43 PM
There were definitely some gaping plot holes in Skyfall, like in the beginning when Bond gets shot and goes over the waterfall, then some giant cartoon lady picks him up with her fingers. They never mention the giant cartoon lady again. What's up with that?
 
2012-12-30 08:04:50 PM

CarnySaur: There were definitely some gaping plot holes in Skyfall, like in the beginning when Bond gets shot and goes over the waterfall, then some giant cartoon lady picks him up with her fingers. They never mention the giant cartoon lady again. What's up with that?


She went back to her home planet. They needed her.
 
2012-12-30 08:06:49 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.


There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).
 
2012-12-30 08:07:58 PM

Mugato: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I want to be in the alternate universe where Brosnan and old Q are in Skyfall.

Q needs to be old and the only person Bond respects and maybe even fears. Bond might trash the equipment but he's not happy about the repercussions of it. The new Q is just the same kid we see in every movie or tv show about computer hackers.

I will miss Judi Dench as M. Robbie Coltrane and Mitchell will be missed as well.


Uh....hasn't Robbie Coltrane been MIA in the last 4 movies? Last time out was  TWINE, IIRC. I guess my question is are you just now starting to miss him?
 
2012-12-30 08:08:36 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Mitchell should have tried to save Die Another Day. He couldn't have been worse than Michael Madsen.


"A Korean turning himself to a white guy for no apparent reason? shiat, this is beyond my pay grade. Get me another PBR. And where's that Dynasty chick?"
 
2012-12-30 08:12:35 PM

John Buck 41: Uh....hasn't Robbie Coltrane been MIA in the last 4 movies? Last time out was  TWINE, IIRC. I guess my question is are you just now starting to miss him?


Yes, he was killed by...I can't spell her name, the girl who isn't Denise Richards in The World is Not Enough. I was just enumerating the people I wish were still in the Bond franchise.
 
2012-12-30 08:12:48 PM

Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).


As the saying goes, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything.
//crickets
///the other 3? Sure.
 
2012-12-30 08:13:42 PM

Mugato: John Buck 41: Uh....hasn't Robbie Coltrane been MIA in the last 4 movies? Last time out was  TWINE, IIRC. I guess my question is are you just now starting to miss him?

Yes, he was killed by...I can't spell her name, the girl who isn't Denise Richards in The World is Not Enough. I was just enumerating the people I wish were still in the Bond franchise.


Ah, ok. Gotcha.

Sophie Marceau, btw.
 
2012-12-30 08:15:55 PM

Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).


Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.
 
2012-12-30 08:25:31 PM
Wife and I saw Skyfall we both really enjoyed it. I'm sure with her, it was mostly due to Craig. I can forgive her that. It was our anniversary and she didn't try to drag me to that sparkly vampire bs
 
2012-12-30 08:26:52 PM

John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.


Saw that in the theater at like 3 years old. She was in the title sequence and I knew I liked her for some reason.

www.bondcollectibles.de
 
2012-12-30 08:27:58 PM

Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).


Just my opinion, but I like Thunderball the most. The bad girl is hot, and the good girl is so smokin' hot I can't even remember how to finish this sentence. I loved the charismatic bad guy and the cat-and-mouse interplay between him and Bond. It has it's bad moments, like Bond not suffering any ill effects from explosives going off when he was under water, and I think the underwater battle at the end suffers. Hell, it was so good, they had to remake it into Never Say Never Again, for no particular reason. Man, did I spank it to Barbara Carrerra.
 
2012-12-30 08:33:05 PM
I thought the last third of Skyfall wasn't good. Just didn't like the location of the final fight.
 
2012-12-30 08:34:24 PM

John Buck 41: Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).

As the saying goes, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything.
//crickets
///the other 3? Sure.


I am one of the silent minority that likes this one. Is it the best? Not by a long shot. But it has Diana Rigg, and a decent spy story. But, I'll confess, I like it for a really stupid reason: I like that they showed Bond having to study up on Genealogy. He wasn't just a gorilla in a tux, he had his job because he could learn quick and think on his feet. Well, mostly, anyways. You're not getting that shiat past Telly Savalas as Blofeld.
 
2012-12-30 08:35:07 PM
Read the Bond books, Dalton and Craig are Bond as Bond is meant to be.

Watch Cannon Ball run, Moore came off as the pussy pacifist as he is in real life.

Bond is rough and tumble country come to town.
 
2012-12-30 08:37:17 PM

John Buck 41: Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).

Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.


Really? It's the most compelling of the Moore-era flicks IMHO, especially as he wasn't as much of a lecherous clown as he was in the others. He was serious and it was a thrill to see him to step up to the plate. The Spy Who Loved Me is a fairly close second, though.


As for OHMSS, I know how despised it is around these parts-and that's fine. I, however, will defend Lazenby's performance until my dying breath. He had the daunting task of following after Connery and, with the help of a stellar script, managed to pull it off. Woefully under appreciated.
 
2012-12-30 08:37:24 PM

lilistonic: Gig103: I like both Brosnan and Craig as James Bond. But apparently that isn't allowed, we're only supposed to like a single version of a character.

To me they are like the Doctor.


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2012-12-30 08:43:30 PM

Apos: There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).


Those are all good ones.

I particularly like how time has vindicated OHMSS.


Mugato: "A Korean turning himself to a white guy for no apparent reason? shiat, this is beyond my pay grade. Get me another PBR. And where's that Dynasty chick?"


See?

The whole shebang would be PERFECT for Joe Don Baker!

"Invisible cars? Oh, hell, Jimbo, I only wish that I wasn't able to see mine!"


John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.


Carole Bouquet, who plays Bond girl Melina in FYEO, might be one of the absolute best Bond girls of the series.

She rocked that crossbow.


Apos: As for OHMSS, I know how despised it is around these parts-and that's fine. I, however, will defend Lazenby's performance until my dying breath. He had the daunting task of following after Connery and, with the help of a stellar script, managed to pull it off. Woefully under appreciated.


Not to take anything away from the guy, but I don't know if Connery could've successfully handled the emotionally driven elements of OHMSS, particularly THAT ending.


born_yesterday: I am one of the silent minority that likes this one. Is it the best? Not by a long shot. But it has Diana Rigg, and a decent spy story. But, I'll confess, I like it for a really stupid reason: I like that they showed Bond having to study up on Genealogy. He wasn't just a gorilla in a tux, he had his job because he could learn quick and think on his feet. Well, mostly, anyways. You're not getting that shiat past Telly Savalas as Blofeld.


There's a lot of reasons why OHMSS is very good.

It's like... look, Lazenby had a shiatty agent who told him that the James Bond series would be culturally irrelevant. That's why he did one movie instead of agreeing to a seven-Bond-picture deal. It had nothing to do with the box office take (which was solid) or his acting skills (which were capable).
 
2012-12-30 08:44:10 PM

Mugato: John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Saw that in the theater at like 3 years old. She was in the title sequence and I knew I liked her for some reason.

[www.bondcollectibles.de image 200x259]


What's not to like? Rawwwrrrrrrrrrr,
 
2012-12-30 08:47:38 PM

Apos: John Buck 41: Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).

Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Really? It's the most compelling of the Moore-era flicks IMHO, especially as he wasn't as much of a lecherous clown as he was in the others. He was serious and it was a thrill to see him to step up to the plate.


To be clear, I love it and have seen it many times. I was just tired and it was late. I'll probably finish it tonite.
 
2012-12-30 08:48:27 PM

John Buck 41: Mugato: John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Saw that in the theater at like 3 years old. She was in the title sequence and I knew I liked her for some reason.

[www.bondcollectibles.de image 200x259]

What's not to like? Rawwwrrrrrrrrrr,


Well all I meant was that at three, I didn't really know why I liked her. I do now.

/wish Shirley Manson would have been in the opening of TWINE
 
2012-12-30 08:48:28 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).

Those are all good ones.

I particularly like how time has vindicated OHMSS.


Mugato: "A Korean turning himself to a white guy for no apparent reason? shiat, this is beyond my pay grade. Get me another PBR. And where's that Dynasty chick?"

See?

The whole shebang would be PERFECT for Joe Don Baker!

"Invisible cars? Oh, hell, Jimbo, I only wish that I wasn't able to see mine!"


John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Carole Bouquet, who plays Bond girl Melina in FYEO, might be one of the absolute best Bond girls of the series.

She rocked that crossbow.


Apos: As for OHMSS, I know how despised it is around these parts-and that's fine. I, however, will defend Lazenby's performance until my dying breath. He had the daunting task of following after Connery and, with the help of a stellar script, managed to pull it off. Woefully under appreciated.

Not to take anything away from the guy, but I don't know if Connery could've successfully handled the emotionally driven elements of OHMSS, particularly THAT ending.


born_yesterday: I am one of the silent minority that likes this one. Is it the best? Not by a long shot. But it has Diana Rigg, and a decent spy story. But, I'll confess, I like it for a really stupid reason: I like that they showed Bond having to study up on Genealogy. He wasn't just a gorilla in a tux, he had his job because he could learn quick and think on his feet. Well, mostly, anyways. You're not getting that shiat past Telly Savalas as Blofeld.

There's a lot of reasons why OHMSS is very good.

It's like... look, Lazenby had a shiatty agent who told him that the James Bond series would be culturally irrelevant. That's why he did one movie instead of agreeing to a seven-Bond-picture deal. It had no ...


I can agree with all those but Craig to Bond is amazing, like Swayze to Roadhouse.  I was a Moore fan until I read the books, and realized that Bond was a cold hearted bad ass.
 
2012-12-30 08:58:42 PM

theflatline: I was a Moore fan until I read the books, and realized that Bond was a cold hearted bad ass.


Brosnan's Bond killed people in cold blood including his best friend and women. But he also had a sense of humor about it.
 
2012-12-30 09:20:47 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: Trolltastic headline

*ding ding ding ding*

Exactly. I wouldn't mind the trolltastic headlines if they were funny or creative.

This? Strictly bush league stuff. We're better than this.


That said, Skyfall is awesome, as is Daniel Craig as Bond. Whatever problems exist with Quantum of Solace (of which there are plenty), you *can't* fault Craig. He brings it each and every time.

Definitely better than Brosnan's Bond from my humblest of humble points of view.



Agreed ten-fold.

Craig kills Bond movies like....eh, I won't go there.
 
2012-12-30 09:20:50 PM
Skyfall was badass.

Craig was the victim of one poorly written movie (QoS), Brosnan was victim to a poorly written theme/tone across many movies (though GoldenEye was badass)

Strip them of the movie story-lines and everything else and just looking at the actors themselves, they were/are both really good Bonds.
 
2012-12-30 09:22:39 PM

theflatline: I can agree with all those but Craig to Bond is amazing, like Swayze to Roadhouse. I was a Moore fan until I read the books, and realized that Bond was a cold hearted bad ass.


Moore wasn't my favorite, but I enjoyed what he did. His films were enjoyable, even when they were very silly.

Octopussy has perfect amounts of silliness and excitement.


Mugato: Brosnan's Bond killed people in cold blood including his best friend and women. But he also had a sense of humor about it.


The next Bond reboot/flashback/origin film should cover how it is that Bond got his sense of humor.

I always wondered about that.
 
2012-12-30 09:23:27 PM
Not a big fan of Skyfall, and I say that as someone who actually liked Quantum of Solace.

It was the plotholes that did it for me; it still makes absolutely no sense as to why Bond would actually take M with him to Skyfall, instead of say, leaving her somewhere else, anywhere else really, while still setting up the trap.

Then there were the small things, like Bond acting perfectly fine after falling into a frozen lake, not taking out the bullet fragments until after the fitness tests, the cheesiness of the villain, etc.

It could have been a lot better in my opinion.
 
2012-12-30 09:24:07 PM

MurphyMurphy: Skyfall was badass.

Craig was the victim of one poorly written movie (QoS), Brosnan was victim to a poorly written theme/tone across many movies (though GoldenEye was badass)

Strip them of the movie story-lines and everything else and just looking at the actors themselves, they were/are both really good Bonds.


I'll comment that, again, both Bond girls in Golden Eye were awesome. I especially liked the dynamic between Brosnan and Izabella Scorupco. I usually like the tougher Bond girls more.

"I'm fine, thank you for asking."

"Kill him; he means nothing to me."
 
2012-12-30 09:24:40 PM

MurphyMurphy: Strip them of the movie story-lines and everything else and just looking at the actors themselves, they were/are both really good Bonds.


*nods accordingly*

Definitely, that.

If Brosnan had Dalton-era material, THAT would've been boss.


fatalvenom: Agreed ten-fold.

Craig kills Bond movies


Now that they've turned Craig's Bond INTO Classic Bond at the end of Skyfall, I can't wait to see where they go next.

But please, just let him try the coat rack hat toss ONCE.
 
2012-12-30 09:25:57 PM

born_yesterday: I'll comment that, again, both Bond girls in Golden Eye were awesome. I especially liked the dynamic between Brosnan and Izabella Scorupco. I usually like the tougher Bond girls more.

"I'm fine, thank you for asking."

"Kill him; he means nothing to me."


What was particularly interesting was that they didn't really glam her up until towards the end of the movie.

You know, as opposed to Denise Richards in The World is Not Enough, who was ALL OUT THERE from the get-go.
 
2012-12-30 09:30:47 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: MurphyMurphy: Strip them of the movie story-lines and everything else and just looking at the actors themselves, they were/are both really good Bonds.

*nods accordingly*

Definitely, that.

If Brosnan had Dalton-era material, THAT would've been boss.


fatalvenom: Agreed ten-fold.

Craig kills Bond movies

Now that they've turned Craig's Bond INTO Classic Bond at the end of Skyfall, I can't wait to see where they go next.

But please, just let him try the coat rack hat toss ONCE.



I just want to see him actually bed Moneypenny...release it under Vivid if they had to.

I've already seen Vesper's tits in that low budget french movie anyhow.
 
2012-12-30 09:43:18 PM
I had to wait a few weeks to see Skyfall, and went in, eager to see the 10 everyone had been raving about. Imagine my surprise when, around the end of the second Act, the film turned in to a Home Alone movie. What the hell were they thinking. It was a 7.5 at best. Still decent, but nothing to write home about. Craig stands and watches Dench and Badrem act circles around him, and they leave him with a 12 year old as Q.
 
2012-12-30 09:45:00 PM

fatalvenom: I just want to see him actually bed Moneypenny...release it under Vivid if they had to.

I've already seen Vesper's tits in that low budget french movie anyhow.



Well, that escalated quickly!
 
2012-12-30 09:51:42 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Whatever problems exist with Quantum of Solace (of which there are plenty), you *can't* fault Craig.


Actually you kind of can, since he helped write that one.
 
2012-12-30 09:52:02 PM
Quantum of Solace is the best Craig film. I don't understand the hate. There is one scene at the beginning where Bond kills the double agent that is a bit too choppy with fast cuts but that is a minor flaw. The plot, pacing and portrayal of Bond are spot on. He is hardened after being duped by Vesper and is mostly cold towards his work, although he does illicit some compassion when Fields gets killed.

The casting of Greene was probably a bit off due to the physical similarity between him and Le Chiffre but again very minor.


Casino Royale is let down by a poor ending, the whole last action sequence in Venice is so contrived it was like Pirates of the Caribbean. The poker is quite unrealistic as well and we miss the important poker action where Bond becomes chip leader and has 59% of the chips going into the final hand.


Skyfall is just riddled with plot holes and things that lead nowhere. The whole bit with the Chinese sex slave in the casino/boat is very creepy and has no pay off. She gets killed but I don't think there was any attachment. The whole after Bardem got captured felt like 24, and that is not a compliment.
 
2012-12-30 09:53:05 PM

fusillade762: lilistonic: Gig103: I like both Brosnan and Craig as James Bond. But apparently that isn't allowed, we're only supposed to like a single version of a character.

To me they are like the Doctor.

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Exactly so.

He just gets to have a lot more sex with his companions than the Doctor does.
 
2012-12-30 09:56:43 PM

thisiszombocom: 1. i dont care about bonds childhood. boo hoo, youre an orphan. it doesnt make you any more interesting a character
2. i dont need to see bond go on a bender cause boo hoo mi6 abandoned me
3. i dont need to see bond play castle defense. youre a super spy. youre supposed to infiltrate secret lairs, not turtle up in an abandoned home. it was better done in la confidential anyways
4. i dont need to see bond cry


I'd have to agree with that. Also since when did we plug the super hacker's laptop directly into the Mi6 network? I can't even get my personal Android on the corporate wirless, but we just go ahead and plug that farker right in?

Also Shanghai is a complete farking letdown. It's an amazing city with an amazing skyline on the river. The classic Bund on one side, the modern sky scrapers on the other. All we really see is one fight in a glass room with neon lights. I was expecting more out of the location than that.

Craig is good, but the writing for this one was mediocre. They were too caught up in sending off Dench in grand style and let it take over too much of the movie.

/also the lack of gadgets, I thought Casino had the perfect balance of gadgets but this one was just dull
//I guess Mi6 agents never get to were gloves if they want to fire their gun
 
2012-12-30 09:56:46 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: lilistonic: Dalton kind of got ripped off.

That's ALL I'm saying. Thank you.


This.  The Living Daylights wasn't the best Bond film, but it wasn't terrible.  License to Kill, on the other hand, was Miami Vice with a British accent. My personal favorite, and don't get me wrong, I like Connery and Craig, would be  For Your Eyes Only, because it was the original down to Earth Bond film.

As for  Skyfall, I enjoyed it. Watching a Bond film requires suspension of disbelief. Despite what the film said, there is no way that James Bond was born and raised in Scotland. Of Scottish descent, sure. Highland Scottish? No. My other complaint is... well, it'd be too big of a spoiler to specify.
 
2012-12-30 10:02:33 PM

Paris1127: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: lilistonic: Dalton kind of got ripped off.

That's ALL I'm saying. Thank you.

This.  The Living Daylights wasn't the best Bond film, but it wasn't terrible.  License to Kill, on the other hand, was Miami Vice with a British accent. My personal favorite, and don't get me wrong, I like Connery and Craig, would be  For Your Eyes Only, because it was the original down to Earth Bond film.

As for  Skyfall, I enjoyed it. Watching a Bond film requires suspension of disbelief. Despite what the film said, there is no way that James Bond was born and raised in Scotland. Of Scottish descent, sure. Highland Scottish? No. My other complaint is... well, it'd be too big of a spoiler to specify.


I couldn't stand The Living Daylights. Well, that's a bit much, but I didn't find it compelling. Probably due to the weak female lead. License to Kill had one of the best and most underrated villains, albeit an 80's stereotype.

"Launder it."
 
2012-12-30 10:07:12 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener:
This? Strictly bush league stuff. We're better than this.


Laughable man!

a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2012-12-30 10:09:51 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: lilistonic: Dalton kind of got ripped off.

That's ALL I'm saying. Thank you.


Yep. I loved Dalton. I loved Brosnan, too. Of course I loved Connery and I loved Lazenby as well and I think Craig is beyond outstanding. I just can't get past Moore in a goddamned CLOWN OUTFIT.

/just love Bond
//but not Clown Bond
 
2012-12-30 10:11:13 PM

MrEricSir: Actually you kind of can, since he helped write that one.


Heh!

Well, PERFORMANCE-wise, I meant!


Paris1127: This. The Living Daylights wasn't the best Bond film, but it wasn't terrible. License to Kill, on the other hand, was Miami Vice with a British accent. My personal favorite, and don't get me wrong, I like Connery and Craig, would be For Your Eyes Only, because it was the original down to Earth Bond film.


I rather liked The Living Daylights, and not just for the a-ha theme song. The henchman Necros was friggin' awesome, and you know that I can't talk smack on anything with Joe Don Baker.

License to Kill was some brutal stuff, particularly for a Bond film, but it worked. Robert Davi creeped you the hell OUT.

Interesting choice for your favorite Bond film! Me, I'd PROBABLY have to go with From Russia with Love. Lots to love about that.


Paris1127: As for Skyfall, I enjoyed it. Watching a Bond film requires suspension of disbelief. Despite what the film said, there is no way that James Bond was born and raised in Scotland. Of Scottish descent, sure. Highland Scottish? No. My other complaint is... well, it'd be too big of a spoiler to specify.


Pretty much, but... that's why I love pretty much the whole series!


born_yesterday: I couldn't stand The Living Daylights. Well, that's a bit much, but I didn't find it compelling. Probably due to the weak female lead. License to Kill had one of the best and most underrated villains, albeit an 80's stereotype.

"Launder it."


Yeah, a lot of people didn't like Maryam d'Abo in The Living Daylights. I could easily see why, but she didn't really bug me too much.

License to Kill, though... oy. When Felix Leitner got fed to the shark, you KNEW Sanchez meant business.
 
2012-12-30 10:12:19 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Laughable man!

a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com


HAHAHAHAHA


Sgt Oddball: Yep. I loved Dalton. I loved Brosnan, too. Of course I loved Connery and I loved Lazenby as well and I think Craig is beyond outstanding. I just can't get past Moore in a goddamned CLOWN OUTFIT.

/just love Bond
//but not Clown Bond


I dug just about the entirety of Octopussy, but... Bond in a clown outfit?

Just... *sigh*
 
2012-12-30 10:24:06 PM

Paris1127: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: lilistonic: Dalton kind of got ripped off.

That's ALL I'm saying. Thank you.

This.  The Living Daylights wasn't the best Bond film, but it wasn't terrible.  License to Kill, on the other hand, was Miami Vice with a British accent. My personal favorite, and don't get me wrong, I like Connery and Craig, would be  For Your Eyes Only, because it was the original down to Earth Bond film.

As for  Skyfall, I enjoyed it. Watching a Bond film requires suspension of disbelief. Despite what the film said, there is no way that James Bond was born and raised in Scotland. Of Scottish descent, sure. Highland Scottish? No. My other complaint is... well, it'd be too big of a spoiler to specify.


Oh. c'mon. It's been out for 7 weeks. Don't be a spoiler-tease.
 
2012-12-30 10:25:00 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Interesting choice for your favorite Bond film! Me, I'd PROBABLY have to go with From Russia with Love. Lots to love about that.


As far as that movie, I really liked the relationship between bond and Ali Kerim Bey. Bond was a pawn in a foreign spy network, and he knew it, and it was played well. I also liked the way Spectre played the East versus West angle.

"Let his death be a particularly unpleasant and humiliating one."
 
2012-12-30 10:27:06 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Interesting choice for your favorite Bond film! Me, I'd PROBABLY have to go with From Russia with Love. Lots to love about that.


It's my favorite non-Connery, non-Craig. It's up there with Goldeneye and The Spy Who Loved Me. The rest of the films are either "meh" or Moonraker.

John Buck 41: Oh. c'mon. It's been out for 7 weeks. Don't be a spoiler-tease.


Fine: Dumbledore dies.
 
2012-12-30 10:28:42 PM
Bear with me here, but I didn't like it. I didn't like it because I felt it was too short. Maybe I've been spoiled by good cable television, but if it was a 13hour season instead of a 2+hour movie I feel it could have dealt more in the world it was trying to create and use Javier Bardem's character a bit better. Casino Royale was a good, separate yarn, but Skyfallhad me wanting more and in its relatively short timeframe I felt it was clipped and edited.
 
2012-12-30 10:52:25 PM

born_yesterday: fatalvenom: I just want to see him actually bed Moneypenny...release it under Vivid if they had to.

I've already seen Vesper's tits in that low budget french movie anyhow.


Well, that escalated quickly!



Am I wrong?
 
2012-12-30 11:01:00 PM
Um, I think everyone attacking Subby needs to recalibrate their sarcasm detectors.
 
2012-12-30 11:05:15 PM

B.L.Z. Bub: Um, I think everyone attacking Subby needs to recalibrate their sarcasm detectors.


If I submitted this, I would have been semi-serious.  Craig is terrible.  I'll won't watch a new Bond until they get rid of him.
 
2012-12-30 11:06:23 PM

Hebalo: I had to wait a few weeks to see Skyfall, and went in, eager to see the 10 everyone had been raving about. Imagine my surprise when, around the end of the second Act, the film turned in to a Home Alone movie. What the hell were they thinking. It was a 7.5 at best. Still decent, but nothing to write home about. Craig stands and watches Dench and Badrem act circles around him, and they leave him with a 12 year old as Q.


I'm with you on that, although my initial thought as I watched it unfold was "What the hell is this, an episode of the A-Team?"

I think Craig holds his own in the acting department, though.
 
2012-12-30 11:07:33 PM

Drexl's Eye: Hebalo: I had to wait a few weeks to see Skyfall, and went in, eager to see the 10 everyone had been raving about. Imagine my surprise when, around the end of the second Act, the film turned in to a Home Alone movie. What the hell were they thinking. It was a 7.5 at best. Still decent, but nothing to write home about. Craig stands and watches Dench and Badrem act circles around him, and they leave him with a 12 year old as Q.

I'm with you on that, although my initial thought as I watched it unfold was "What the hell is this, an episode of the A-Team?"

I think Craig holds his own in the acting department, though.


If this was a Transporter movie, sure.  He's not Bond.
 
2012-12-30 11:09:22 PM
Craig even sucked in the Heineken commercial.
 
2012-12-30 11:09:27 PM
They wasted Bardem and the first two thirds of the film were good, but the last bit didn't mesh that well. I can see most people here felt them same way. Craig is a good Bond, hell I think they all were, but the problem is the story was a bit lame, same thing with QoS. Casino Royale was enjoyable but the last part of the film, in Venice I believe, felt tacked on.
 
2012-12-30 11:16:49 PM
I never had to pay $16 to see Brosnan's Bond.
 
2012-12-30 11:29:05 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: That said, Skyfall is awesome, as is Daniel Craig as Bond.


Agreed. Brosnan had his moments. But his later adventures as Bond were pure A grade poopie.
 
2012-12-31 12:10:33 AM
I always approach Bond movies in one way: do I enjoy the villain? To me, if I can't seriously enjoy the villain then the entire movie is going to suck because, well, Bond himself is just a carrier to bring the villain into the story for me. Bond sleep with girls, obeys M, blows shiat up, and drinks shiatty drinks. Yes, I think Craig is a great actor, but that doesn't save Bond as being a dull character to me.

Javier Bardem is an amazing villain. He is a terrifyingly creepy headcase that was honestly very fun to watch. It was great to see his mental instabilities just spinning everywhere and taking everyone with him (seriously, where the fark do they get all those minions!?).

I liked Skyfall. I enjoy QoS simply because I like staring at the screen and wondering wtf is going on while everything spins out of control, and I kind of liked Casino Royale just for the classic Bond feel it had going, but I think Skyfall really let Craig come into his own as Bond. He's a good actor, and this cements him as a Bond in my book.

And yes, I also enjoy a young Q. He's more than a little cliche, but sometimes it's nice to get a little fresh blood into it all. Fines will be amazing as M (he's very rarely not amazing), and Moneypenny is just fun. Overall, as long as there's not another writer's strike anytime in the future, I am really, really looking forward to the next Bond movie. Now if only Christopher Lee wasn't so old, it would be fun to have him back just trying to make the world burn.

/actually, the guy who played Moriarty on Sherlock might be a fun villain
//but playing too close to Moriarty would be a problem
/I largely just want to see Craig's Bond deal with him chewing the scenery without a care in the world
 
2012-12-31 01:41:02 AM

GAT_00: B.L.Z. Bub: Um, I think everyone attacking Subby needs to recalibrate their sarcasm detectors.

If I submitted this, I would have been semi-serious.  Craig is terrible.  I'll won't watch a new Bond until they get rid of him.


Craig is perfect and the closest to the Bond of the actual books. Your taste is questionable.
 
2012-12-31 01:44:19 AM

calbert: Skyfall was great while you were watching it. Once it's over and you start thinking about it, it doesn't hold up. And then you get mad that you were tricked into thinking that it was good.

it was enjoyable to watch.

it wasn't a good movie and it definitely wasn't a good James Bond movie.


Um... that's what all James Bond movies are like, man. Except I'm not sure why you'd be angry or assume the movies would be good in the story composition sense in the first place. None of the good ones has had a storyline that makes a single goddamned whit of sense when you think about it, because for the most part the actual, realistic motives of large-scale criminals are boring and contaminating all the gold in fort Knox is much more entertaining to watch than some sane but lame bullshiat like obtaining majority control of an area's water rights without even actually doing anything technically illegal.
 
2012-12-31 03:15:16 AM

Jim_Callahan: calbert: Skyfall was great while you were watching it. Once it's over and you start thinking about it, it doesn't hold up. And then you get mad that you were tricked into thinking that it was good.

it was enjoyable to watch.

it wasn't a good movie and it definitely wasn't a good James Bond movie.

Um... that's what all James Bond movies are like, man. Except I'm not sure why you'd be angry or assume the movies would be good in the story composition sense in the first place. None of the good ones has had a storyline that makes a single goddamned whit of sense when you think about it, because for the most part the actual, realistic motives of large-scale criminals are boring and contaminating all the gold in fort Knox is much more entertaining to watch than some sane but lame bullshiat like obtaining majority control of an area's water rights without even actually doing anything technically illegal.


Anybody that goes to a James Bond movie expecting it to have some deep meaning or serious plot is going to be sadly disappointed. If it is full of action, has some neat gadgets and stunts, a good looking scantily clad Bond Girl, some quips, a car/boat/airplane/submarine/spaceship/whatever chase and good triumphs over evil then the movie has fulfilled expectations. Going to a Bond movie is an innocent pleasure that harms no one. Don't feel angry or guilty.
 
2012-12-31 04:23:07 AM
*fade in scene*

[Opens on a hand on a glass tumbler with ice and liquid. Rack focus* to female sex object beyond the glass (*Rack focus: A Hollywood term for "Focus on her rack")]

[Reverse POV to Bond's face]

Bond: [Raises glass to mouth, drinks] Bond. James Bond. Nice to meet you, Mrs. Name-Is-A-Double-Entendre.

Sex Object: [Strips off clothing] I must have sex with you now.

Faceless Redshirt: I kill you now!

[Bond pulls out one of the Chekov's Guns given to him by Q and kills Faceless Redshirt]

Sex object: Oh, James!


OK, send me a check for my $1.75 million and residuals, thanks!
 
2012-12-31 06:02:48 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: theflatline: I can agree with all those but Craig to Bond is amazing, like Swayze to Roadhouse. I was a Moore fan until I read the books, and realized that Bond was a cold hearted bad ass.

Moore wasn't my favorite, but I enjoyed what he did. His films were enjoyable, even when they were very silly.

Octopussy has perfect amounts of silliness and excitement.


Octopussy had a few real solid points it failed to capitalize on. The opening scene in Cuba. The Beverly Hills Cop villain guy, Steven Berkoff, was wasted -- his cold, ambitious Soviet general with a plan to destabilize NATO via a smuggled nuke to an American airbase was pretty good for a Cold War era Bond story. (Bond doesn't kill either top bad guy, which is kind of weird). The Indian thugs with the razor yo-yo, the knife-throwing Soviet twins and the turban-wearing heavy were decent quality. Bond's train escapades and racing the clock through East and West Germany is underrated.

So far, it's above Moonraker and Live & Let Die. Even a middle age Bond woman in Maud Adams can work. But then we get ...

- Bond checking his watch -- and forgetting he's in a gorilla suit
- Bond's Indian helper showing off his tennis skills in a car chase
- a weak Bond villain in Louis Jordan who is so bad at being a bad guy he kills himself
- Bond doing Tarzan screams and telling a tiger to sit during a kind of ridiculous search for 007 scene, with Jordan dressing up like its an 1883 safari
- a harem of white women commandos in India who are nearly defeated if it weren't for Q crashing his balloon
- Maud Adams firing a gun while surrounded by American base personnel probably wired to kill anything at that point, which miraculously allows Bond to be released from his NATO captors in seconds and disarm the bomb instead of having his clownsuit wearing-ass dragged to the stockade
- and of course, Bond in clown suit

Personally, I prefer Connery and Dalton's Bond flicks. Brosnan did well in GoldenEye and Tomorrow Never Dies, but the rest was dreck that made the worst of Moore's outings forgivable.

Despite the cruminess of QoS, Craig is good (I haven't seen Skyfall yet). And happy to see my personal fave FYEO is getting love in the thread.
 
2012-12-31 07:21:14 AM

calbert: Skyfall was great while you were watching it. Once it's over and you start thinking about it, it doesn't hold up. And then you get mad that you were tricked into thinking that it was good.

it was enjoyable to watch.

it wasn't a good movie and it definitely wasn't a good James Bond movie.

and for everyone who biatched that Michael Caine's foreshadowing in TDKR giving away the ending, the opening title sequence of Skyfall, which was visually awesome, gives away the whole movie. and Adele's song was painfully droning. It wasn't 'mesmerizing' or 'haunting', it was painful.

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This
 
2012-12-31 07:26:51 AM
I'd like to see all of the Bonds in the same movie while they are all still alive, but not sure how they would be able to write them all into a script. Also, I'm not seeing much love for the first and best Bond...Connery.
 
2012-12-31 07:27:09 AM
Skyfall felt like X-Men 3
 
2012-12-31 08:27:25 AM

Practical_Draconian: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: theflatline: I can agree with all those but Craig to Bond is amazing, like Swayze to Roadhouse. I was a Moore fan until I read the books, and realized that Bond was a cold hearted bad ass.

Moore wasn't my favorite, but I enjoyed what he did. His films were enjoyable, even when they were very silly.

Octopussy has perfect amounts of silliness and excitement.

Octopussy had a few real solid points it failed to capitalize on. The opening scene in Cuba. The Beverly Hills Cop villain guy, Steven Berkoff, was wasted -- his cold, ambitious Soviet general with a plan to destabilize NATO via a smuggled nuke to an American airbase was pretty good for a Cold War era Bond story. (Bond doesn't kill either top bad guy, which is kind of weird). The Indian thugs with the razor yo-yo, the knife-throwing Soviet twins and the turban-wearing heavy were decent quality. Bond's train escapades and racing the clock through East and West Germany is underrated.

So far, it's above Moonraker and Live & Let Die. Even a middle age Bond woman in Maud Adams can work. But then we get ...

- Bond checking his watch -- and forgetting he's in a gorilla suit
- Bond's Indian helper showing off his tennis skills in a car chase
- a weak Bond villain in Louis Jordan who is so bad at being a bad guy he kills himself
- Bond doing Tarzan screams and telling a tiger to sit during a kind of ridiculous search for 007 scene, with Jordan dressing up like its an 1883 safari
- a harem of white women commandos in India who are nearly defeated if it weren't for Q crashing his balloon
- Maud Adams firing a gun while surrounded by American base personnel probably wired to kill anything at that point, which miraculously allows Bond to be released from his NATO captors in seconds and disarm the bomb instead of having his clownsuit wearing-ass dragged to the stockade
- and of course, Bond in clown suit


Despite the overt silliness, OCTOPUSSY is a cut above drek like MOONRAKER and VIEW TO A KILL
because of the screenplay by George MacDonald Frasier.  I've always liked his style of dialog and his
grasp of period history, and he knows how to make absurd situations seem completely logical.
 
2012-12-31 10:21:29 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Despite the overt silliness, OCTOPUSSY is a cut above drek like MOONRAKER and VIEW TO A KILL
because of the screenplay by George MacDonald Frasier.  I've always liked his style of dialog and his
grasp of period history, and he knows how to make absurd situations seem completely logical.


THIS

Octopussy is perfectly watchable. It's only one of three Roger Moore films I like - that, For Your Eyes Only and The Spy Who Loved Me.

People bang on about Bond dressed as a clown, but come on, that's worse than Sherrif JW Pepper?
 
2012-12-31 10:23:40 AM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: Trolltastic headline

*ding ding ding ding*

Exactly. I wouldn't mind the trolltastic headlines if they were funny or creative.

This? Strictly bush league stuff. We're better than this.


That said, Skyfall is awesome, as is Daniel Craig as Bond. Whatever problems exist with Quantum of Solace (of which there are plenty), you *can't* fault Craig. He brings it each and every time.

Definitely better than Brosnan's Bond from my humblest of humble points of view.


I wouldn't rate Skyfall above Goldeneye but I left the theater feeling thoroughly entertained and I felt that the movie was a very kickass experience. I've read reviews here to make me think there must be another movie named Skyfall that a bunch of Farkers must be seeing instead; glad I'm not the only one who liked it.
 
2012-12-31 10:44:44 AM
The new Bond movies need more evil villains with secret underground lairs. YOLT has an army of ninjas! How can you top that? Except maybe the catfight in FRWL.

I still need to see Skyfall.
 
2012-12-31 10:44:51 AM

Practical_Draconian:
- Bond's Indian helper showing off his tennis skills in a car chase


I thought that was hilarious! What else would one of the most famous tennis players in the world (which Vijay Amritraj was at the time) use?
 
2012-12-31 10:52:49 AM

calbert: Skyfall was great while you were watching it. Once it's over and you start thinking about it, it doesn't hold up. And then you get mad that you were tricked into thinking that it was good.

it was enjoyable to watch.

it wasn't a good movie and it definitely wasn't a good James Bond movie.

and for everyone who biatched that Michael Caine's foreshadowing in TDKR giving away the ending, the opening title sequence of Skyfall, which was visually awesome, gives away the whole movie. and Adele's song was painfully droning. It wasn't 'mesmerizing' or 'haunting', it was painful.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x281]


You've really picked up on something there haven't you. That's definitely a glaring flaw in the writing, it's certainly not a theme throughout the series.

*sarcasm detector sputters in the corner*
 
2012-12-31 11:03:28 AM
Remington Steele was the worst thing to ever happen to the Bond franchise.
 
2012-12-31 01:42:57 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener:
Carole Bouquet, who plays Bond girl Melina in FYEO, might be one of the absolute best Bond girls of the series.

She rocked that crossbow.


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What? There was a crossbow in it?
 
2012-12-31 02:37:58 PM
I liked Quantum of Solace. I can't say that I hate Skyfall, but, I found it draggy and predictable. I found the reasoning for the Skyfall name stupid and lame, the villain laughable and overacted by Javier, and overall it played like a made for t.v. episode of The Avengers (60's television show with Patrick Mcnee). Overall, it's meh. Save your cash if you haven't seen it. The hype is mightier than the story.
 
2012-12-31 02:52:09 PM
I liked Skyfall, but thought Casino Royale was better. I also enjoyed Quantum of Solace, but what's the deal with Quantum and Mr. White? Do they just get away?
 
2012-12-31 02:57:01 PM

indarwinsshadow: I liked Quantum of Solace. I can't say that I hate Skyfall, but, I found it draggy and predictable. I found the reasoning for the Skyfall name stupid and lame, the villain laughable and overacted by Javier, and overall it played like a made for t.v. episode of The Avengers (60's television show with Patrick Mcnee). Overall, it's meh. Save your cash if you haven't seen it. The hype is mightier than the story.


you see this? this guy gets it.

Bardem didn't play the character as threatening, maniacal, creepy, or psychotic. I don't know what Bardem was trying to do, but all he ended up doing was channeling Stuart Smalley.

this was supposed to be a Bond antagonist?

his scenes were laughable. his plan was idiotic. and it wasn't idiotic because he was crazy, it was idiotic because the screenwriters failed.

a good villain from a recent film was Guy Pearce in Lawless. he sold the creepy, driven, unhinged antagonist, without chewing up the scenery or reaching beyond his role.
 
2012-12-31 03:16:49 PM

chewielouie: I liked Skyfall, but thought Casino Royale was better. I also enjoyed Quantum of Solace, but what's the deal with Quantum and Mr. White? Do they just get away?


They never resolve what happened to the entirety of Quantum, which is just as well, since we'll probably never see SPECTRE in any future films.

As for Mr. White, he's still out there.
 
2012-12-31 06:19:03 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: chewielouie: I liked Skyfall, but thought Casino Royale was better. I also enjoyed Quantum of Solace, but what's the deal with Quantum and Mr. White? Do they just get away?

They never resolve what happened to the entirety of Quantum, which is just as well, since we'll probably never see SPECTRE in any future films.

As for Mr. White, he's still out there.


Indeed he is. And as the most intriguing Bond adversary from the Casino Royale/Quantum Solace missions, it would be a shame if the producers opt to do away with him entirely.


On a side note, all the OHMSS talk-specifically, your mention of that conclusion-led to my re-watching it. This will rile up the anti-OHMSS brigade but fark it, I don't care:

www.top10films.co.uk
fandomania.com
iansadler.files.wordpress.com

/Damn, I love this flick.
 
2012-12-31 07:17:11 PM

Apos: Indeed he is. And as the most intriguing Bond adversary from the Casino Royale/Quantum Solace missions, it would be a shame if the producers opt to do away with him entirely.


Oh, definitely.

He had THE best line in Quantum of Solace: "Well, Tosca isn't for everyone."


Apos: On a side note, all the OHMSS talk-specifically, your mention of that conclusion-led to my re-watching it. This will rile up the anti-OHMSS brigade but fark it, I don't care:


Apos: /Damn, I love this flick.


Hey, funk the haters, man. Funk 'em. All day, erry day.

I should get around to rewatching OHMSS, too.

I still maintain that that was the best ending to a Bond movie yet (I don't mean that against Tracy, not at all). It was just so disturbing and powerful. The franchise has yet to duplicate an ending like that.
 
2012-12-31 07:47:16 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: Indeed he is. And as the most intriguing Bond adversary from the Casino Royale/Quantum Solace missions, it would be a shame if the producers opt to do away with him entirely.

Oh, definitely.

He had THE best line in Quantum of Solace: "Well, Tosca isn't for everyone."

Yes, he did.


Apos: On a side note, all the OHMSS talk-specifically, your mention of that conclusion-led to my re-watching it. This will rile up the anti-OHMSS brigade but fark it, I don't care:

Apos: /Damn, I love this flick.

Hey, funk the haters, man. Funk 'em. All day, erry day.

My sentiments exactly.

I should get around to rewatching OHMSS, too.

I still maintain that that was the best ending to a Bond movie yet (I don't mean that against Tracy, not at all). It was just so disturbing and powerful. The franchise has yet to duplicate an ending like that.


THIS100.
 
2012-12-31 08:00:27 PM
Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Carole Bouquet, who plays Bond girl Melina in FYEO, might be one of the absolute best Bond girls of the series.

She rocked that crossbow.


Its between her, Jane Seymour, and the red head from diamonds are forever for the 3 hottest in my opinion.
 
2012-12-31 11:24:55 PM

Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: chewielouie: I liked Skyfall, but thought Casino Royale was better. I also enjoyed Quantum of Solace, but what's the deal with Quantum and Mr. White? Do they just get away?

They never resolve what happened to the entirety of Quantum, which is just as well, since we'll probably never see SPECTRE in any future films.

As for Mr. White, he's still out there.

Indeed he is. And as the most intriguing Bond adversary from the Casino Royale/Quantum Solace missions, it would be a shame if the producers opt to do away with him entirely.


On a side note, all the OHMSS talk-specifically, your mention of that conclusion-led to my re-watching it. This will rile up the anti-OHMSS brigade but fark it, I don't care:

[www.top10films.co.uk image 550x349]
[fandomania.com image 305x253]
[iansadler.files.wordpress.com image 506x316]

/Damn, I love this flick.


I just can't into OHMSS. Lazenby is horrible. He may be a good actor; I don't know, but he's not Bond.. Plus sloppy plot/editing/direction...it's all a mess.
 
2012-12-31 11:35:29 PM

Oldiron_79: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Carole Bouquet, who plays Bond girl Melina in FYEO, might be one of the absolute best Bond girls of the series.

She rocked that crossbow.

Its between her, Jane Seymour, and the red head from diamonds are forever for the 3 hottest in my opinion.


Jill St. John. Thought she was dead.

The Bond girl list is definitely lacking redheads btw.

Things I'd like to see: a Bond movie Middle East crisis flick with him partnering/going against the Mossad, and have the Bond girl be a redhead Mossad agent. Extra points if she can be kick-ass AND fiery in attitude.
 
2013-01-01 10:47:36 AM

Mugato: MayoSlather: I thought Brosnan was a better Bond, but cursed with inferior scripts.

Well GoldenEye was maybe my favorite but Die Another Day was terrible. I still don't know WTF that movie was even about. Tomorrow Never Dies and The World is Not Enough were okay. The World is Not Enough had the best opening song, IMO. Shirley Manson, ftw.


Best bond theme ever. Also want to echo that sky fall makes much less sense than usual for convoluted villain schemes. A guy spends eight years getting revenge, culminating with him walking into a room and shooting at people clumsily? Keeping in mind this scheme involved total control of the subways and predicated on mi-6 relocating to a bomb shelter and hey wait how did the villain overcome the two guards to his lecter cell unarmed?
 
2013-01-01 10:52:24 AM

Someothermonkey: Not a big fan of Skyfall, and I say that as someone who actually liked Quantum of Solace.

It was the plotholes that did it for me; it still makes absolutely no sense as to why Bond would actually take M with him to Skyfall, instead of say, leaving her somewhere else, anywhere else really, while still setting up the trap.

Then there were the small things, like Bond acting perfectly fine after falling into a frozen lake, not taking out the bullet fragments until after the fitness tests, the cheesiness of the villain, etc.

It could have been a lot better in my opinion.


And whatever happened to the macguffin? Did they recover the hard drive data with all the spy names or not? Were copies made? Who knows but at least Bond saved M from death at the hands of a weirdo.
 
2013-01-02 07:56:02 AM

born_yesterday: Man, did I spank it to Barbara Carrerra.


So many dead kittens. The horror.... the horror....
 
2013-01-02 12:46:37 PM

CarnySaur: There were definitely some gaping plot holes in Skyfall, like in the beginning when Bond gets shot and goes over the waterfall, then some giant cartoon lady picks him up with her fingers. They never mention the giant cartoon lady again. What's up with that?


I am embarrassed to state that my date was convinced that Bond was rescued from the water by the chick that we see him shacking up with on the island.
She doesn't "get" Bond opening sequences, apparently.
 
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