Trolltastic headline if I ever saw one. Craig is at least twice the Bond that Brosnan ever was, even with the misstep that was Quantum Solace. Get over it, subby.

Apos: Trolltastic headline

*ding ding ding ding*

Exactly. I wouldn't mind the trolltastic headlines if they were funny or creative.

This? Strictly bush league stuff. We're better than this.


That said, Skyfall is awesome, as is Daniel Craig as Bond. Whatever problems exist with Quantum of Solace (of which there are plenty), you *can't* fault Craig. He brings it each and every time.

Definitely better than Brosnan's Bond from my humblest of humble points of view.

fusillade762: That's mathematically provable, even: Craig has had two good bond movies so far. Brosnan only had one.

SCIENCE!

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Apos: Trolltastic headline

*ding ding ding ding*

Exactly. I wouldn't mind the trolltastic headlines if they were funny or creative.

This? Strictly bush league stuff. We're better than this.


That said, Skyfall is awesome, as is Daniel Craig as Bond. Whatever problems exist with Quantum of Solace (of which there are plenty), you *can't* fault Craig. He brings it each and every time.

Definitely better than Brosnan's Bond from my humblest of humble points of view.

Amen to all that, amigo.

fusillade762: Apos: Trolltastic headline if I ever saw one. Craig is at least twice the Bond that Brosnan ever was, even with the misstep that was Quantum Solace. Get over it, subby.

That's mathematically provable, even: Craig has had two good bond movies so far. Brosnan only had one.

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Dr No - 98
From Russia with Love - 97
Goldfinger - 96
Thunderball - 91
You Only Live Twice - 70

On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 81

Diamonds Are Forever - 67

Live and Let Die - 63
The Man with the Golden Gun - 52
The Spy Who Loved Me - 78
Moonraker - 64
For Your Eyes Only - 74
Octopussy - 47
A View to a Kill - 39

Living Daylights - 73
License to Kill - 71

Goldeneye - 80
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The World Is Not Enough - 51
Die Another Day - 59

Casino Royale - 94
Quantum of Solace - 63
Skyfall - 92


Precisely.

Did you just say . . .

why dont people like quantum? i preferred it to skyfall

spoilers:

1. i dont care about bonds childhood. boo hoo, youre an orphan. it doesnt make you any more interesting a character
2. i dont need to see bond go on a bender cause boo hoo mi6 abandoned me
3. i dont need to see bond play castle defense. youre a super spy. youre supposed to infiltrate secret lairs, not turtle up in an abandoned home. it was better done in la confidential anyways
4. i dont need to see bond cry

wtf happened to quantum anyways? the way the first 2 films set up this nefarious global organization was great

sad to see judi dench go, but they found a good replacement in ralph fiennes.

Mugato: You wound me Sir. You and I usually see eye to eye on pop culture bullshiat. But Brosnan was the best Bond, even if he didn't have the best movies. Craig is a humorless Jason Bourne clone. Brosnan knew how to look like he had fun chugging vodka, dogging girls and shooting the bad guys. Craig's Bond might be closer to the books but he's boring.

Heh, that we do, actually... and nothin' personal, anyways.

It's like how Mike Nelson calls Any Which Way You Can the funnier Clyde the Orangutan movie but Every Which Way But Loose the better-made Clyde the Orangutan movie.

Brosnan's Bond is a bit more fun in my book - at the risk of being a Pungeon Master - and so that fun follows with his films (except Die Another Day, which we've already dissed to death).

Craig's Bond is more compelling to me, and I think it gives his films a more interesting edge (Quantum being an anomaly, but this has already been discussed to death) even though they may not be the thrill-park fun ride spectacles in the same vein as the Brosnan Bond movies.

If that makes sense.

Also, if it means anything, before Skyfall, I had Brosnan's Bond above Craig's Bond in the rankings, as per a previous thread. Skyfall was a game-changer for me, I guess.


Mugato: Having said that, Skyfall was a great Bond film. But it would have been better with Brosnan. And the old Q. Sick of movie computer hackers.

I want to be in the alternate universe where Brosnan and old Q are in Skyfall.

I also want to peer into the alternate universe in which Timothy Dalton stayed on for a third movie.


Mugato: The World is Not Enough had the best opening song, IMO. Shirley Manson, ftw.

No argument there. THAT song was boss.

It not only sounded great, but it also had the distinction of coming directly from the villain's point of view. I loved that.


MayoSlather: I thought Brosnan was a better Bond, but cursed with inferior scripts.

I loved what Craig did in Skyfall a whole helluva lot, but I'll second that inferior scripts thing.

They really saddled Brosnan's Bond with some silly stuff at times.

(I know, I know, Roger Moore in a clown suit, I know.)

calbert: Adele's song was painfully droning. It wasn't 'mesmerizing' or 'haunting', it was painful.

Well, in Adele's defense, she really does farking suck.

Big fan of the new dimensions that Daniel Craig brings to Bond, really liked the first two but Skyfall was pretty weak. He got M killed. It was totally his fault but with no apparent consequences.

Richard Roma: calbert: Adele's song was painfully droning. It wasn't 'mesmerizing' or 'haunting', it was painful.

Well, in Adele's defense, she really does farking suck.

i hear its because shes hungry

fark BROSNAN!

thisiszombocom: why dont people like quantum? i preferred it to skyfall

I didn't like QoS because of the shakycam business, methamphetamine-fueled editing, a rather blase group of villains (but I *did* like the idea of Quantum being a SPECTRE-like group of bad guys), a sorta boring Bond girl by way of Olga Kurylenko, pacing issues, a script that seemed rushed (no doubt due in part to the writers' strike), and an overall atmosphere and tone that seemed to draw much of the fun away.

And the theme song was horrible. The only lyrics I can vaguely remember are "another ringer with the quick slick trigger finger" and "another way to die." Not a huge factor in the big picture, but... blah.

That's not to say that the film doesn't have its merits. What it gets right, it gets right with a fierceness. The opera scene was great, I'll give it points for that. I also liked that they included the characters of Matthias and Felix Leitner again.

It would be interesting to see the Quantum organization again. After all, Mr. White *is* still floating around out there.

yeah, yeah, yeah... but why did Bond shoot Lincoln?



Boom... Head Shot!

Gig103: I like both Brosnan and Craig as James Bond. But apparently that isn't allowed, we're only supposed to like a single version of a character.

To me they are like the Doctor. And I've been seeing them new since _Diamonds Are Forever._ Each Bond is Bond, in his own way. Some of the stories are better than others. Dalton kind of got ripped off.

I think the Craig ones are so good for now, and that's part of what's groovy about them. They each fit their era, and he's right for this one.

lilistonic: Dalton kind of got ripped off.

That's ALL I'm saying. Thank you.

Mugato: I will miss Judi Dench as M. Robbie Coltrane and Mitchell will be missed as well.

THAT'S what I hated about The World is Not Enough. I mean, it might have been necessary story-wise, but I hated hated hated HATED that they killed Valentin. That dude rocked.

Mitchell should have tried to save Die Another Day. He couldn't have been worse than Michael Madsen.


Mugato: Q needs to be old and the only person Bond respects and maybe even fears. Bond might trash the equipment but he's not happy about the repercussions of it. The new Q is just the same kid we see in every movie or tv show about computer hackers.

They could give him the makeup from those creepy Duracell commercials to make him look older.

Bond having to answer to the Six Flags Guy... now THERE'S a mental image for ya!

John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There were definitely some gaping plot holes in Skyfall, like in the beginning when Bond gets shot and goes over the waterfall, then some giant cartoon lady picks him up with her fingers. They never mention the giant cartoon lady again. What's up with that?

CarnySaur: There were definitely some gaping plot holes in Skyfall, like in the beginning when Bond gets shot and goes over the waterfall, then some giant cartoon lady picks him up with her fingers. They never mention the giant cartoon lady again. What's up with that?

She went back to her home planet. They needed her.

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).

Wife and I saw Skyfall we both really enjoyed it. I'm sure with her, it was mostly due to Craig. I can forgive her that. It was our anniversary and she didn't try to drag me to that sparkly vampire bs

John Buck 41: Apos: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: John Buck 41: How. Many. Tickets. Were. Sold? Period. That's all I need to know or care about knowing.

That's where Thunderball kicked serious ass, I believe.

There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).

Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Really? It's the most compelling of the Moore-era flicks IMHO, especially as he wasn't as much of a lecherous clown as he was in the others. He was serious and it was a thrill to see him to step up to the plate. The Spy Who Loved Me is a fairly close second, though.


As for OHMSS, I know how despised it is around these parts-and that's fine. I, however, will defend Lazenby's performance until my dying breath. He had the daunting task of following after Connery and, with the help of a stellar script, managed to pull it off. Woefully under appreciated.

Apos: There are four Bond flicks I will NEVER tire of watching: On Her Majesty's Secret Service, For Your Eyes Only, Goldfinger and Thunderball (which, I understand, is Connery's favorite).

Those are all good ones.

I particularly like how time has vindicated OHMSS.


Mugato: "A Korean turning himself to a white guy for no apparent reason? shiat, this is beyond my pay grade. Get me another PBR. And where's that Dynasty chick?"

See?

The whole shebang would be PERFECT for Joe Don Baker!

"Invisible cars? Oh, hell, Jimbo, I only wish that I wasn't able to see mine!"


John Buck 41: Just so happens I threw FYEO in the dvd player last night. Didn't quite finish it, though.

Carole Bouquet, who plays Bond girl Melina in FYEO, might be one of the absolute best Bond girls of the series.

She rocked that crossbow.


Apos: As for OHMSS, I know how despised it is around these parts-and that's fine. I, however, will defend Lazenby's performance until my dying breath. He had the daunting task of following after Connery and, with the help of a stellar script, managed to pull it off. Woefully under appreciated.

Not to take anything away from the guy, but I don't know if Connery could've successfully handled the emotionally driven elements of OHMSS, particularly THAT ending.


born_yesterday: I am one of the silent minority that likes this one. Is it the best? Not by a long shot. But it has Diana Rigg, and a decent spy story. But, I'll confess, I like it for a really stupid reason: I like that they showed Bond having to study up on Genealogy. He wasn't just a gorilla in a tux, he had his job because he could learn quick and think on his feet. Well, mostly, anyways. You're not getting that shiat past Telly Savalas as Blofeld.

There's a lot of reasons why OHMSS is very good.

It's like... look, Lazenby had a shiatty agent who told him that the James Bond series would be culturally irrelevant. That's why he did one movie instead of agreeing to a seven-Bond-picture deal. It had nothing to do with the box office take (which was solid) or his acting skills (which were capable).