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(Philly.com)   The first rule of rigging the Miss USA pageant is no one talks about rigging the Miss USA pageant   (philly.com) divider line 37
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2012-12-30 06:13:35 PM  
The Donald must be appeased.
 
2012-12-30 06:15:52 PM  
Well, of course no one talks about Miss USA being rigged.  No one likes to state the obvious.
 
2012-12-30 06:20:42 PM  
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-30 06:58:15 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Well, of course no one talks about Miss USA being rigged.  No one likes to state the obvious.


It's like complaining about how the WWE isn't real.

/Yes, I know it's still real to some of you.
 
2012-12-30 08:29:53 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: The Donald must be appeased.


This ruling should put him at about $100 above complete bankruptcy.
 
2012-12-30 08:45:11 PM  
Friggin' in the riggin'...
 
2012-12-30 09:09:17 PM  
Like her face, hair and breast are real.
 
2012-12-30 09:13:29 PM  
Attention whore shocked that attention whoring hath consequences.  Whah.
 
2012-12-30 09:19:05 PM  

uncleacid: Like her face, hair and breast are real.


It's a risk I'm willing to take.
 
2012-12-30 09:47:31 PM  
Two questions:

1. Who, exactly, is still watching the MIss USA Pageant in the year 2012?

2. Is it legal to make them fight for my amusement and betting purposes?
 
2012-12-30 09:53:01 PM  
You know, I would totally care more about this thread if there were pics.

thesuiteworld.com
 
2012-12-30 09:57:05 PM  

gimmegimme: You know, I would totally care more about this thread if there were pics.

[thesuiteworld.com image 477x659]

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-30 10:20:14 PM  
FTFA: Monnin points to a Miss USA contract clause giving top pageant officials the power to pick the top five finalists and the winner, but a company official calls that a catch-all that's never been used.

Catch-all for what?
 
2012-12-30 10:49:12 PM  

Iceberg659: FTFA: Monnin points to a Miss USA contract clause giving top pageant officials the power to pick the top five finalists and the winner, but a company official calls that a catch-all that's never been used.

Catch-all for what?


In case the normal methodologies cannot be performed, that rule provides a last resort to ensure that finalists and a winner can be selected. It's never been used.

What we see here is a lesson in reading comprehension on the part of Monnin, a lesson that just cost her five million bucks. She saw that in the contract, misconstrued it as "hey, they're just pickin' em - it's fixed!", and then ran her friggin' mouth off in the media, screwing the pageant's reputation to the tune of $5M+. The arbitrator realized her mistake, realized she was an idiot, and made her liable for the $5M she cost the pageant organization.

I see nothing untoward or unfair here. The takeaway, of course, is "be damned sure of your facts before you call someone a liar and a cheat in front of the whole world."
 
2012-12-30 10:55:05 PM  

FormlessOne: Iceberg659: FTFA: Monnin points to a Miss USA contract clause giving top pageant officials the power to pick the top five finalists and the winner, but a company official calls that a catch-all that's never been used.

Catch-all for what?

In case the normal methodologies cannot be performed, that rule provides a last resort to ensure that finalists and a winner can be selected. It's never been used.

What we see here is a lesson in reading comprehension on the part of Monnin, a lesson that just cost her five million bucks. She saw that in the contract, misconstrued it as "hey, they're just pickin' em - it's fixed!", and then ran her friggin' mouth off in the media, screwing the pageant's reputation to the tune of $5M+. The arbitrator realized her mistake, realized she was an idiot, and made her liable for the $5M she cost the pageant organization.

I see nothing untoward or unfair here. The takeaway, of course, is "be damned sure of your facts before you call someone a liar and a cheat in front of the whole world."


Like saying someone wasn't born in this country when he has a birth certificate to prove it?
 
2012-12-30 10:58:18 PM  
FUN FACT: Monnin did not make it out of preliminaries in the pageant; a round that advanced the top 16.
 
2012-12-31 12:38:54 AM  

Kuroshin: Friggin' in the riggin'...


Cuz theres fark all else to do...
 
2012-12-31 12:50:59 AM  

FormlessOne: I see nothing untoward or unfair here. The takeaway, of course, is "be damned sure of your facts before you call someone a liar and a cheat in front of the whole world."


I tend to agree. However, is there not some exception made if the someone is a public figure, and you're contesting some aspect of his/her public presentation?

The pageant organization, I understand, is not a "public figure" - it only presents figures to the public. (Pun intended, I guess.)
 
2012-12-31 01:23:21 AM  
Sheena Moanin'?

I can't be the only dufus who got a kick.
 
2012-12-31 01:37:26 AM  

DeaH: FormlessOne: Iceberg659: FTFA: Monnin points to a Miss USA contract clause giving top pageant officials the power to pick the top five finalists and the winner, but a company official calls that a catch-all that's never been used.

Catch-all for what?

In case the normal methodologies cannot be performed, that rule provides a last resort to ensure that finalists and a winner can be selected. It's never been used.

What we see here is a lesson in reading comprehension on the part of Monnin, a lesson that just cost her five million bucks. She saw that in the contract, misconstrued it as "hey, they're just pickin' em - it's fixed!", and then ran her friggin' mouth off in the media, screwing the pageant's reputation to the tune of $5M+. The arbitrator realized her mistake, realized she was an idiot, and made her liable for the $5M she cost the pageant organization.

I see nothing untoward or unfair here. The takeaway, of course, is "be damned sure of your facts before you call someone a liar and a cheat in front of the whole world."

Like saying someone wasn't born in this country when he has a birth certificate to prove it?


www.allfordmustangs.com

/dish it out but can't take it
//Trump's a f'ing creep
 
2012-12-31 01:38:39 AM  

FormlessOne: Iceberg659: FTFA: Monnin points to a Miss USA contract clause giving top pageant officials the power to pick the top five finalists and the winner, but a company official calls that a catch-all that's never been used.

Catch-all for what?

In case the normal methodologies cannot be performed, that rule provides a last resort to ensure that finalists and a winner can be selected. It's never been used.

What we see here is a lesson in reading comprehension on the part of Monnin, a lesson that just cost her five million bucks. She saw that in the contract, misconstrued it as "hey, they're just pickin' em - it's fixed!", and then ran her friggin' mouth off in the media, screwing the pageant's reputation to the tune of $5M+. The arbitrator realized her mistake, realized she was an idiot, and made her liable for the $5M she cost the pageant organization.

I see nothing untoward or unfair here. The takeaway, of course, is "be damned sure of your facts before you call someone a liar and a cheat in front of the whole world."


IIRC, that's not the way it went down. I believe she actually saw a list of names before some of the the judging rounds had even finished, then was surprised when every woman on the list advanced. Now that Trump has won the suit, she's trying to find something she can use to justify an appeal. Unfortunately, this doesn't like it'll be good enough.

Can a judgement like this be discharged in a bankruptcy? Because even if she turned over every cent she earns for the rest of her life, she probably would never be able to repay it.
 
2012-12-31 04:03:42 AM  
And so begins the Donald Trump death watch.
 
2012-12-31 04:55:35 AM  
What's the difference in picking a winner before the televised event or during? They already know the contestants and have seen them before.

/$5M ????
//Arbitration blows
 
2012-12-31 06:51:15 AM  
cache.daylife.com
 
2012-12-31 07:20:24 AM  
Calling it:

The sponsor that dropped the $5M has Trump connections. After a certain amount of time, the sponsor will "responsor", but it's going to cost Miss Nosy Datass.

Again, The Donald Must Be Appeased.

/he probably also has a backup plan for meddling kids and their goofy dogs
 
2012-12-31 07:38:36 AM  

uncleacid: Like her face, hair and breast are real.


So, the other one is?
 
2012-12-31 07:43:49 AM  

Gosling: FUN FACT: Monnin did not make it out of preliminaries in the pageant; a round that advanced the top 16.


But she got publicity from it, crazy or not. If you examine the picture the sash reads, "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
 
2012-12-31 08:04:55 AM  

Gosling: FUN FACT: Monnin did not make it out of preliminaries in the pageant; a round that advanced the top 16.


So you're saying she wouldn't have had a problem if her name had been on the list other contestants attest exist? Eh. Such is life. And these have always been rigged, since the dawn of time. Nothing new here.

I always figured these beauty pageants weren't for regular people. Once you get up to a certain level, it's just a way to subcategorize women into breeding/mistress material for the ultra wealthy and connected.
 
2012-12-31 08:09:27 AM  

Atomic Spunk: FormlessOne: Iceberg659: FTFA: Monnin points to a Miss USA contract clause giving top pageant officials the power to pick the top five finalists and the winner, but a company official calls that a catch-all that's never been used.

Catch-all for what?

In case the normal methodologies cannot be performed, that rule provides a last resort to ensure that finalists and a winner can be selected. It's never been used.

What we see here is a lesson in reading comprehension on the part of Monnin, a lesson that just cost her five million bucks. She saw that in the contract, misconstrued it as "hey, they're just pickin' em - it's fixed!", and then ran her friggin' mouth off in the media, screwing the pageant's reputation to the tune of $5M+. The arbitrator realized her mistake, realized she was an idiot, and made her liable for the $5M she cost the pageant organization.

I see nothing untoward or unfair here. The takeaway, of course, is "be damned sure of your facts before you call someone a liar and a cheat in front of the whole world."

IIRC, that's not the way it went down. I believe she actually saw a list of names before some of the the judging rounds had even finished, then was surprised when every woman on the list advanced. Now that Trump has won the suit, she's trying to find something she can use to justify an appeal. Unfortunately, this doesn't like it'll be good enough.

Can a judgement like this be discharged in a bankruptcy? Because even if she turned over every cent she earns for the rest of her life, she probably would never be able to repay it.


Miss Florida saw the list of names and shared it with other contestants. She later claimed it was a joke. A different contestant came forward anonymously to also confirm Sheena Monnin's story. It's gotta to suck to be right (or at least think you're right) and get screwed by arbitration like this.

Seeing the list of the top five just before the top five are announced isn't a big deal, because obviously someone needs to know to announce it. But seeing the list of the top five before the top sixteen are announced is a huge deal, because it's mathematically improbable and/or indicates that the celebrity judging doesn't really count. But they've got pretty good lawyers, and the contracts are structured such that the penalties for speaking out in a way they don't want are obviously huge. That said, a choreographer spoke out a few years ago about how some girls were hand picked and it made the news. I'm not sure exactly why Trump went after Sheena but not that choreographer.
 
2012-12-31 08:21:02 AM  
LOL @ Mandatory arbitration clauses. LOL @ Agreeing to any arbitrator put forth by The Donald's attorney.
 
2012-12-31 08:29:25 AM  
Here is what I don't understand about the American legal system:

Rush Limbaugh can call a private citizen a slut on national radio, a charge that is unprovable unless he knew the amount of sex she was having was beyond say, the 4th standard deviation on the promiscuity bell curve, and not get into any legal trouble.

On the other hand, this woman makes a reasonable assertion based on her observations and she gets her ass handed to her in a court of law.
 
2012-12-31 08:46:45 AM  
Paging Gloria Allred...Gloria Allred to the white courtesy phone.

/You know it's coming
 
2012-12-31 09:38:38 AM  

Muta: Here is what I don't understand about the American legal system:

Rush Limbaugh can call a private citizen a slut on national radio, a charge that is unprovable unless he knew the amount of sex she was having was beyond say, the 4th standard deviation on the promiscuity bell curve, and not get into any legal trouble.

On the other hand, this woman makes a reasonable assertion based on her observations and she gets her ass handed to her in a court of law.


Two factors.

1-When she signed up for the contest she signed up for binding arbitration (which should be illegal imho), this screws whoever isn't the bigger party who arranegs the arbitration.

2-who ever has better laywers in cases liek this is likely going to win.
 
2012-12-31 10:19:16 AM  
Third factor: They ain't gonna be able to ever squeeze $5M out of that tube.
 
2012-12-31 05:26:14 PM  
I always have to laugh at these folks. They put on a "flesh parade" of hotties, having them prance around in bikinis, showing off their goodies, but if one of them has posed topless, they are suddenly OUTRAGED, and boot her out of the contest. So, i guess it's ok to peddle flesh for their own ends, but if she has done it before, on her own, now she's MORALLY TAINTED and not worthy of the title.

/whatever.
 
2012-12-31 05:40:52 PM  
Prime example of why forced arbitration should be avoided.  And if it can't be avoided, play ball because they will screw you.
 
2013-01-02 07:07:42 AM  
Muta: "Here is what I don't understand about the American legal system:"

There is no "legal system" like there is a "healthcare system" in Canada, let's say. There is a judicial market, in which you buy all the legality you want if you have the money.
 
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