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2012-12-31 01:47:42 PM  

HotWingAgenda: And Batman and Superman are absolutely perfect - a cold, calculating mastermind with no social skills, and a stiff, emotionless Nietzschian superman, again with no social skills.


If Batman is drunk on sherry by 3 p.m. every day and Superman is farking the receptionist at the Hall of Justice and rubbing it in Batman's face, you're basically describing my parents.
 
2012-12-31 01:57:43 PM  

RosevilleDan: [deadwood.jpg]


If only there were a word to describe the kind of person who would cancel such a magnificent show right in the middle of its plot arc. It would have to strike at the very dignity and decency of the person it was directed against. It would need to be offensive, demeaning, and you'd have to be able to say it any number of ways, as any number of parts of speech. I'm thinking something three syllables long, ten letters. Maybe it would be a variant of a more traditional "four-letter word." You'd want it to be something you could say a hundred times an hour, and never have it lose its force.

/ooh, I've got it!
//"nincompoop"
 
2012-12-31 01:59:25 PM  

texdent: gglibertine: Josh 2.0

I think you mean Jake 2.0


Thanks for reminding me of that one. The nerdy girl on that show was freaking smoking hot. She was on BSG as well as one of Baltar's cult ladies. I actually thought it was cool when they tipped their hat to Six Million Dollar Man on the show.
 
2012-12-31 02:18:02 PM  
Wonderfalls
 
2012-12-31 02:22:22 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.


If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"
 
2012-12-31 02:51:37 PM  

Gone to Plaid: FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"


The account that everyone, on both sides, seems to agree on is that Joss asked for an early commit to another season, rather than leaving it until the last minute as they had done before, so staff could have some certainty rather than take other jobs. The network decided another show had promise and so cancelled Angel. The network later admitted it was a mistake and had they not asked them for a decision at that time it would have been renewed nearer the end of the season. No one mentioned a threat to walk, the show wasn't enough of a hit for anyone to even think that would work.
The ending of the show was written and filmed as a finale, they knew the show was cancelled.
 
2012-12-31 02:56:46 PM  
I still miss Due South.
 
2012-12-31 04:25:26 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Gone to Plaid: FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"

The account that everyone, on both sides, seems to agree on is that Joss asked for an early commit to another season, rather than leaving it until the last minute as they had done before, so staff could have some certainty rather than take other jobs. The network decided another show had promise and so cancelled Angel. The network later admitted it was a mistake and had they not asked them for a decision at that time it would have been renewed nearer the end of the season. No one mentioned a threat to walk, the show wasn't enough of a hit for anyone to even think that would work.
The ending of the show was written and filmed as a finale, they knew the show was cancelled.


Mmm... so, another in the list of "fark You" final episodes, then.
 
2012-12-31 04:46:37 PM  
It doesn't deserve to be in the Top 10 (or maybe even 25... or 50), but I thought Wanted on TNT was really finding its groove before they pulled the plug. Plus I'm a sucker for Lee Tergesen.
 
2012-12-31 05:25:47 PM  
iCarly

Damn shame.
 
2012-12-31 05:37:38 PM  

Vito Andolini: Wonderfalls


dead like me
wonderfalls
pushing up daisies
3 funs series which died because ...
 
2012-12-31 11:26:40 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: I still miss Due South.


Me too. Though I'll never forgive them for having Bennie choose Fake Ray over Real Ray in the end.
 
2012-12-31 11:30:49 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: I still miss Due South.


The first two seasons at least
 
2012-12-31 11:56:35 PM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-01 12:27:53 AM  
Strange Luck-D.B. Sweeny's best performance next to Fire in the Sky
 
2013-01-01 02:54:41 AM  

Hacker_X: Profit. These days it would have fit right in but in 1996 Fox was awfully squeamish about airing a show where the main character killed his dad and his stepmother was blackmailing him for sex.

On the British side of things I REALLY miss Hex.



How about some love for the Inbetweeners, you Wankers!
 
2013-01-01 10:55:47 AM  

Arachnophobe:
Get on that ASAP. Holy farkballs some of the things that happen. o.o Also, it doesn't end on a cliffhanger, which is a nice change of pace from the past couple.


I picked up side jobs the other day and haven't cracked it... I've been rereading some of my favorites after I got through Ghost Story a few weeks ago.


Galileo's Daughter: Due South


Thank you kindly.
 
2013-01-01 12:34:55 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Flint Ironstag: Gone to Plaid: FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"

The account that everyone, on both sides, seems to agree on is that Joss asked for an early commit to another season, rather than leaving it until the last minute as they had done before, so staff could have some certainty rather than take other jobs. The network decided another show had promise and so cancelled Angel. The network later admitted it was a mistake and had they not asked them for a decision at that time it would have been renewed nearer the end of the season. No one mentioned a threat to walk, the show wasn't enough of a hit for anyone to even think that would work.
The ending of the show was written and filmed as a finale, they knew the show was cancelled.

Mmm... so, another in the list of "fark You" final episodes, then.


Honestly, I don't see it like that. I loved the Angel ending. That show was always different from Buffy in that Buffy was about one girl's struggle and her pretty much ongoing desire to be done with it all. She fights not because she wants to, but because she has to, because she was "chosen". So her finale ends with her winning the war for Sunnydale and an army of slayers being born. She's no longer the only Chosen One. She finally gets to relax (unless she chooses to continue fighting).

Angel, on the other hand, was always about how the fight never ends, especially when it comes to Wolfram & Hart. They were explicit about this going back to the season two episode "Reprise." You can't beat evil because evil is borne out of humanity, so there will always be bad guys to fight. And that's how Angel ends. He beats one evil (Wolfram & Hart) only for another, far greater evil to surface. It was a perfectly fitting end given the overall themes of the show. I still don't particularly care for how they handled the Fred/Illyria thing, but the ending itself was a perfect fit for the show.
 
2013-01-01 02:30:39 PM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Livin


Not sure if somebody got this already, but it was Defying Gravity, and I was pissed when it got dropped. It seemed like the story was going to be very interesting but it never got a chance to play out
 
2013-01-01 08:19:59 PM  

iq_in_binary: ruetheday69: I really liked Dresden Files. Deserved more of a run. Along with a bunch of others mentioned so far, Brimstone, Firefly.
I have not seen any of the shows mentioned in the slideshow besides L&O.

Did you even read the books?


Since when is that mandatory?
 
2013-01-01 08:44:00 PM  
Jericho
Wonder Falls
Journeyman
Firefly and fark you all.
Sliders
Carnivale
Tru Calling
 
2013-01-02 04:25:34 AM  

unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.


X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.

If you want to count all the syndicated shows that didn't have a real home network there are tons that lasted at least three or four seasons. It is mostly stuff on Fox and NBC that gets the axe during or just after the first season. And it isn't just stuff about space, it is almost all sci-fi on those networks. There are certain execs running the show that essentially hate science fiction and kill every genre show that manages to make it on the air. If it is science fiction and on either NBC or Fox you can pretty much rule out the show making it to a third season. It has been that way since at least the early 90s. Quite frankly I'm still confused that X-Files survived nearly as long as it did.
 
2013-01-02 05:13:25 AM  

Hacker_X: unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.

X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.


One Star Trek series lasted for 7 seasons on network TV (If you can call UPN a network). TNG and DS9 were produced for first run syndication, and could be bought and aired by any channel that wanted 'em.

Granted, they usually wound up on Fox or UPN channels, but that's because the channels that made up both Fox, UPN, and WB were all former independent stations that joined with the new networks over time.
 
2013-01-02 08:22:49 AM  

Hacker_X: unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.

X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.

If you want to count all the syndicated shows that didn't have a real home network there are tons that lasted at least three or four seasons. It is mostly stuff on Fox and NBC that gets the axe during or just after the first season. And it isn't just stuff about space, it is almost all sci-fi on those networks. There are certain execs running the show that essentially hate science fiction and kill every genre show that manages to make it on the air. If it is science fiction and on either NBC or Fox you can pretty much rule out the show making it to a third season. It has been that way since at least the early 90s. Quite frankly I'm still confused that X-Files survived nearly as long as it did.


Other than the original star trek series, weren't the other two that were on Network TV on UPN. That barely qualified as a network. I will give you The X-Files though, and I think part of the reason it did last so long is because at least at the beginning it had the framework of a police procedural.
 
2013-01-02 08:29:04 AM  

unyon: mechgreg:
What firefly fans don't seem to understand is that even if the episodes were run in proper order and it had a promotional budget to rival lost, it still probably wouldn't have lasted a whole season. Shows about space do not do well on network TV.
And for all the talk about it being buried on the Friday night death slot is just crap. Friday night is the slot of lowered expectations. If they had put it on say thursday night, it would have gotten even lower ratings (since higher competition) and would have been cancelled sooner.

Cancelled space cowboy operas that didn't last a season don't ever get feature films made about them either, so there's a lot about Firefly that defies expectations.  Could it have survived if given the right conditions to find an audience?  It was given the worst possible treatment in terms of when and where it aired, episodic order, etc.  No show can survive that, whether it's network scifi or not. It's certainly found an audience now, so clearly its not a problem with the quality of the show.  I agree with you that it may not have survived to see another season had those things changed, but they sure as hell didn't help.  The fact that Fox brass didn't get the show at all didn't help either.


As far as the feature film goes, Serenity pretty much tanked at the box office, so I am not sure that is any indication of any kind of following the show had. As far as when the show aired, like I said they should have been happy to be on Friday nights, I mean if it was on any other night it would have had real competition and done even worse in the ratings.

With regards to the Fox brass, I would say they at least got the show enough to actually put it on TV. I mean do you think ABC or CBS would have actually approved a pilot for that show? I bet even now with Whedon's post avengers clout and his relationship with Disney it probably still wouldn't be a guarantee that he could get a show like that on ABC.
 
2013-01-02 09:12:09 AM  

Hacker_X: unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.

X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.

If you want to count all the syndicated shows that didn't have a real home network there are tons that lasted at least three or four seasons. It is mostly stuff on Fox and NBC that gets the axe during or just after the first season. And it isn't just stuff about space, it is almost all sci-fi on those networks. There are certain execs running the show that essentially hate science fiction and kill every genre show that manages to make it on the air. If it is science fiction and on either NBC or Fox you can pretty much rule out the show making it to a third season. It has been that way since at least the early 90s. Quite frankly I'm still confused that X-Files survived nearly as long as it did.


This myth that Fox hates genre television needs to die. The reason they get a reputation for killing science fiction is because is because they air science fiction. What other network would have aired Firefly, John Doe, Dollhouse, Terminator, Fringe, Terra Nova, and Alcatraz? The simple fact is that Fox has less primetime real estate than the other networks and they can't nurse shows along as easily. None of those shows were canceled over lower-rated shows. And if Fox hated science fiction show much, Fringe never would have gotten a fifth season.
 
2013-01-02 09:27:11 AM  

rugman11: And if Fox hated science fiction show much, Fringe never would have gotten a fifth season.


If Fox hated Sci-fi as much as people think Fringe wouldn't have gotten a first season. And Fringe is a perfect example of this. The show was created by JJ Abrams, the man who created Lost, Alias and was responsible for the Star Trek reboot. And even with the amount of clout, and the track record, he has Fringe still ended up on Fox instead of say ABC. That is pretty good evidence that the other networks don't give a shiat about sci-fi.
 
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