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2012-12-30 10:19:34 PM  

namatad: FARKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Gina was in Leverage??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


YES, and she was one of the best things about it!


namatad: She was also in Jekyll ... quite good


Good to know, actually!


PopFreshenmeyer: America needs the wisdom of "Herman's Head" now, more than ever.


*nods proudly*

You need to listen to this person, Fark.
 
2012-12-30 10:23:16 PM  
Profit. These days it would have fit right in but in 1996 Fox was awfully squeamish about airing a show where the main character killed his dad and his stepmother was blackmailing him for sex.

On the British side of things I REALLY miss Hex.
 
2012-12-30 10:29:40 PM  

Smackledorfer: cmunic8r99: 210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?

It went without saying.

I don't walk around saying hitler was bad or your mom is loose. These are known things.


I'm told her rejuvenation worked well.

moothemagiccow: cmunic8r99: 210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?

go to reddit


Ain't gonna happen.
 
2012-12-30 10:47:43 PM  

namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??


Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.
 
2012-12-30 10:49:22 PM  

namatad:
I heard that they were going to do a DLM movie.
No, that thing they made wasnt DLM and whatever you do, DO NOT WATCH the movie they made.
TRUST ME
But if you dont want to trust me, I will sell you my copy for CHEAP.



Sadly, I was too over-excited about the whole idea of a DLM movie that I watched it shortly after it came out. That movie was the worst thing they could have possibly done for DLM. :/
 
2012-12-30 10:53:27 PM  

FuryOfFirestorm: CSI: Miami


Seriously? It was the worst of the three.
 
2012-12-30 11:00:16 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: namatad: She was also in Jekyll ... quite good

Good to know, actually!




Steven Moffat
This man is the glue.
He wrote Coupling (bbc version not the american abortion) and Jekyll, which both were amazing and had Gina Bellman.

But he also wrote most of the good/great dr who episodes and sherlock?

7 of the top 10 episodes
 
2012-12-30 11:05:31 PM  
i39.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-30 11:06:31 PM  

FormlessOne: namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??

Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.


man o man o man
the whole book blew me away
the wall
with the gate
where we learn why he is called The Gatekeeper
farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

people kept calling Harry, Starborn? ok WHAT does THAT MEAN????
the whole finale with Mab. The dialog was sublime at times.

"I was mortal once, you know," she said, very quietly.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I havent done this in a long time, but I think I might have to reread that book SOON.
 
2012-12-30 11:19:48 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Firefly? Life? The Job? Chappelle? Carnivàle?
 
2012-12-30 11:21:09 PM  
SportsNight didn't have a laugh track after season one. I think it was a network thing in the first place, and Sorkin won that battle, and lost the war. I liked 60 Sunset Strip, but I think it was too syrupy. It didn't help in the promo department starting at the same time as 30 Rock.

West Wing ended in time. Chuck lasted a tad too long. I miss The Unusuals.

Never got into Sifi stuff.
 
2012-12-30 11:22:54 PM  

Adam West for President: lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]

I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.


No, I watched it too. I liked that show.
 
2012-12-30 11:22:55 PM  

fusillade762: tillerman35: tillerman35: With luck and some help from Divine Providence, the show "Archer" will be on this list next year.
Arrow. I meant Arrow. (That's how bad it is- I can't even bring myself to name it in a post).

Good thing you caught that. We'd have had to lock you in a room with a rabid ocelot.


It's like Meowschwitz in there.
 
2012-12-30 11:53:36 PM  

titwrench: SuperSeriousMan: I'm still annoyed about Terriers. I really want to know which way the turned at the end of the final episode.

Stu Segal studios is next door to my office. They had a "yard sale" a few months ago and sold all of the stuff from Terriers. I liked that show but it's gone.


Sonofabiatch. I did not know of this. Was the Ford Courier there? Now I've got to hit up google.
 
2012-12-30 11:55:12 PM  
latimesblogs.latimes.com

And somewhere in Ocean Beach, these guys are wondering why they aren't on the list.

Hashtag Terriers
 
2012-12-31 12:01:26 AM  
And another thing.......so what if they sold off Terriers shiat. The wardrobe budget was about 20 bucks an episode. Donal Logue wore flannels & Michael Raymond James wore a purple hoodie. And Ocean Beach is still there.
 
2012-12-31 12:15:15 AM  

Trafficguy2000: Police Squad!


THANK YOU.
 
2012-12-31 01:11:15 AM  
FuryOfFirestorm:

Dammit, dammit, dammit! I forgot about Duckman and Sliders. Looks like my Top Ten list is going to be a Top Twenty at this rate.

I consider the cancellation of Sliders as a mercy killing. The last season had none of the original cast except Rembrandt, and it completely abandoned the awesome "what if?" premise that the show was built on.


While Sliders was, indeed, a mercy killing after Fox and Siffy ruined the premise of the show, the fact remains that it was still the #2 rated show on the network, oftentimes equal to or just a tenth of a point behind #1 show Farscape. Sliders didn't have to die, but stupid Siffy decided to kill it because they had to fund more original movies and shows that didn't last a season.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:34 AM  

namatad: FormlessOne: namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??

Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.

man o man o man
the whole book blew me away
the wall
with the gate
where we learn why he is called The Gatekeeper
farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

people kept calling Harry, Starborn? ok WHAT does THAT MEAN????
the whole finale with Mab. The dialog was sublime at times.

"I was mortal once, you know," she said, very quietly.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I havent done this in a long time, but I think I might have to reread that book SOON.


Cold days is the only book of his I haven't read yet. I've read and reread all his stuff, he's amazing...
 
2012-12-31 01:15:30 AM  

BalugaJoe: We need a tv show about an all gay law firm.


Fabulous LLC
 
2012-12-31 01:22:57 AM  
Alias Smith and Jones.
 
2012-12-31 01:27:52 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-31 01:36:42 AM  
Enterprise
Journeyman
Lie to Me
Chicago Code
Earth 2
Dark Skies
Space Above and Beyond
Alcatraz
Last Resort
Young Riders
 
2012-12-31 01:49:05 AM  
BJ and the Bear
 
2012-12-31 02:15:19 AM  
Action!
 
2012-12-31 02:19:05 AM  

Mr_Juche: HempHead: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Even though it didn't make the record-setting number of episodes that it hoped to, I question the placement of Law & Order in this article.

Not surprised to see Leverage here, as I loved the hell out of that show.

It didn't get a whole lot of attention, but if I were writing an article of this nature, I'd include BBC's Survivors (not to be confused with CBS's reality series Survivor). It was a virus apocalypse show about a ragtag group of survivors in the UK. It had great characters, an interesting premise, and an excellent execution, but they axed it after 12 episodes spread over two seasons (and on a frustratingly inconclusive cliffhanger ending, of all things).

If you liked Leverage, check out the British series "Hustle" it was based on. And "the Real Hustle" where con men show you how to be a grifter.


If you said that to John Rogers, the show runner for Leverage, he would biatch slap you. It wasn't based on Hustle. Though, interestingly enough, apparently Adrian Lester was in LA when they were casting for Leverage and spoke with the producers about auditioning for Nate.


It never seemed to me to be based on Hustle, though the shows do share some similarities. I always figured the line from the season 2 ep (the where Sophie "died" and we were introduced to Chaos) about the Leverage team being the meanest/toughest crew "this side of the Atlantic" was a subtle nod to Mickey Bricks and Co. on the other side.

The main distinctions between the two groups are their compositions and philosophies. The Leverage group is Mastermind, Grifter, Hacker, Thief, Hitter, while the crew from Hustle is Grifter (Mastermind) Grifter (Roper) Grifter (Fixer), Grifter, Grifter, and while occasionally they all steal things, they are not thieves.

The Leverage team find clients, and help them retaliate / protect themselves / get their stuff back from the Big Evil Corporation. They help people. And they give the proceeds of their job to the client. The Hustle team consider themselves a check on the system. They do not select targets based on a specific person's specific need, or in response to a specific event (usually) but rather simply target those whose excessive greed and lack of morality makes them a worthwhile target. And they keep the proceeds for themselves.
 
2012-12-31 02:31:47 AM  

havocmike: I know they were trolling by excluding Arrested Development, and I love it.

That show was cancelled for a reason. I love everyone involved, but the show wasn't as great as it's preachers want you to believe.


Hell, it's more overrated than the haters think Firefly was.
 
2012-12-31 03:15:21 AM  
Arrested Development no longer counts for this list since a new season is in production.
 
2012-12-31 03:16:12 AM  
Leverage has had like seven or eight seasons and it only took them two to resolve the series' primary conflict. I'm sorry, dude, but things that have several years of runtime eventually petering out are not upsetting, especially, when they've lasted long enough to do several major arcs.

Also, as amusing as it is to watch what is basically the hardest-core Spycraft LARP in existence, eventually you're going to run out of variations on the theme and turn to cheap melodrama to hold onto long-time viewers, and in the process alienate or drive off potential new viewers, which kills your show pretty fast.

//Just because you like a show doesn't mean it's a tragedy if it ends. For instance, I loved Burn Notice in all its awesome, cheesy Bruce Campbell glory, but I still can't figure out why the hell it kept running after there was no longer, well, a burn notice on the protagonist. I mean, c'mon, premise resolved, let it go, man.

//You're still allowed to be upset if the network contracts, say, a 5-year run, the storylines are adjusted for that, and then they get cut in year 3 or 4. That's bullshiat. It's just the whining over annual renewals of long-running series going through that annoys me.
 
2012-12-31 03:17:44 AM  

pladius: Earth 2


Damn right, and I'm not afraid to admit that True Danziger was my first TV crush.

/It's not creepy if she was born a year before me.
//RIP.
 
2012-12-31 03:29:46 AM  

Adam West for President: lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]

I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.


nope. I found the entire season on DVD on ebay. Love that show.
 
2012-12-31 03:37:12 AM  

Jim_Callahan: //Just because you like a show doesn't mean it's a tragedy if it ends.


Agreed.

Jim_Callahan: For instance, I loved Burn Notice in all its awesome, cheesy Bruce Campbell glory, but I still can't figure out why the hell it kept running after there was no longer, well, a burn notice on the protagonist. I mean, c'mon, premise resolved, let it go, man.


Eh, they still found story to tell through the end of the fifth season. I downloaded the sixth today but haven't watched it yet.

Don't get me wrong, if it ends it ends and I won't get all upset or anything. But I don't see why a successful show should be forced to end the second they wrap up a major story arc either. If that were the rule I'd say the quality of tv would go down rather than up. No one would ever want to end their major story arc and every show would become Lost.
 
2012-12-31 04:15:06 AM  
Seems a shame that Leverage is now only getting recognition now it's over - I'd not seen it mentioned on Fark ever until earlier this week and thought I was the only fan. The last season wasn't the best, but I loved the fact they're clearly having fun and trying to slip in as many shout-outs to geek things as possible.

My favorites;

Hardison: "I'm detective Moffat, this is detective Davies" (Bonus points as Stephen Moffat also once persuaded Gina Bellman to take all her clothes off on Coupling)

Elliot's extended Die Hard parody that starts out quite subtle and gets more and more obvious through the episode until: "Yippee ki-yay, motherf-"

Hardison again: "Science: It works!" - Any show that can reference XKCD immediately goes down in my personal favorites column forever
 
2012-12-31 04:21:26 AM  

nekom: List fails without John Doe.  Wait, Digger was with the Phoenix group?  I can't wait to see next season, this is getting good!

CANCELLED.  Trolololololo


Glad to see I'm not the only person who enjoyed John Doe. The finale was super disappointing and probably thrown together pretty hastily, but based on what they said they would have done in future episodes, I'm almost kinda glad they ended it that way. They wanted to go in some really weird directions.
 
2012-12-31 05:24:39 AM  
No Walking Dead?
 
2012-12-31 06:57:17 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Leverage has had like seven or eight seasons and it only took them two to resolve the series' primary conflict. I'm sorry, dude, but things that have several years of runtime eventually petering out are not upsetting, especially, when they've lasted long enough to do several major arcs.

Also, as amusing as it is to watch what is basically the hardest-core Spycraft LARP in existence, eventually you're going to run out of variations on the theme and turn to cheap melodrama to hold onto long-time viewers, and in the process alienate or drive off potential new viewers, which kills your show pretty fast.

//Just because you like a show doesn't mean it's a tragedy if it ends. For instance, I loved Burn Notice in all its awesome, cheesy Bruce Campbell glory, but I still can't figure out why the hell it kept running after there was no longer, well, a burn notice on the protagonist. I mean, c'mon, premise resolved, let it go, man.

//You're still allowed to be upset if the network contracts, say, a 5-year run, the storylines are adjusted for that, and then they get cut in year 3 or 4. That's bullshiat. It's just the whining over annual renewals of long-running series going through that annoys me.


So you know, this final season was the 5th, not the 7th or 8th.

Hustle did run 8 series, but of course they're British so it's 6 or 8 episodes each.
 
2012-12-31 07:29:46 AM  
wait people are biatching about a show, Leverage, that was canceled 5 seasons into it? I mean, i guess that sucks, but the outrage over its cancellation doesn't deserve to be on par with Freaks and Geeks or, god help us, Firefly.
 
2012-12-31 07:37:25 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: wait people are biatching about a show, Leverage, that was canceled 5 seasons into it? I mean, i guess that sucks, but the outrage over its cancellation doesn't deserve to be on par with Freaks and Geeks or, god help us, Firefly.


Except that those shows were cancelled years ago, whereas Leverage was cancelled, like, last week.

The notice was so late that the series finale had "Season Finale" with the channel logo overlay.

But please feel free to continue your outrage if people are still complaining about the Leverage cancellation a year or two from now.
 
2012-12-31 07:44:55 AM  
"My Sister Sam".

Because it wasn't a suit. It was an evil asshole that did it.
 
2012-12-31 07:47:08 AM  
I do agree it sucks that Leverage wasn't given a proper send off, but there's no way that a show that went on for 5 years is on the same ground as shows that were canceled within a season and dicked around with during that brief tenure.
 
2012-12-31 08:20:29 AM  
I saw nothing on there worth keeping, except Summer Glau's ass.

/have her drunked, and brought to my bunk.
//No, don't worry about hosing her off first. You can do that after, for the next feller.
///this should take about 47 seconds.
 
2012-12-31 08:23:04 AM  

I_Love_Cheesecake: [blogs.amctv.com image 280x165]

Also, Brotherhood was an amazing show - as good as, if not better than, the Sopranos - but Showtime never gave it the love (and promotion) it deserved. Rather, it focused on lesser shows like Dexter, Weeds and Californication. Damn ratings.

Someone upthread also mentioned WKRP, which was cancelled while it had cracked the top ten. Stupid.


I liked Rubicon. That little queer was bad-ass.
 
2012-12-31 10:34:05 AM  
I did like Persons Unknown that was a fun show.
 
2012-12-31 11:04:10 AM  

unyon: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

I can't believe it took 7 posts to get to the Firefly nerdrage.



What firefly fans don't seem to understand is that even if the episodes were run in proper order and it had a promotional budget to rival lost, it still probably wouldn't have lasted a whole season. Shows about space do not do well on network TV.
And for all the talk about it being buried on the Friday night death slot is just crap. Friday night is the slot of lowered expectations. If they had put it on say thursday night, it would have gotten even lower ratings (since higher competition) and would have been cancelled sooner.

Deadwood was way more painful since it was actually a good show. Plus there are so many people/reasons to blame for the cancellation of the show.

Also the other really annoying one that still bugs is My Name is Earl. Mostly because it ended on a cliffhanger. Plus even though it didn't have great ratings neither did anything else on NBC and it was basically cancelled because the other shows on NBC (Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, The Office) were owned by NBC/Universal.
 
2012-12-31 11:19:47 AM  

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: namatad: FormlessOne: namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??

Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.

man o man o man
the whole book blew me away
the wall
with the gate
where we learn why he is called The Gatekeeper
farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

people kept calling Harry, Starborn? ok WHAT does THAT MEAN????
the whole finale with Mab. The dialog was sublime at times.

"I was mortal once, you know," she said, very quietly.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I havent done this in a long time, but I think I might have to reread that book SOON.

Cold days is the only book of his I haven't read yet. I've read and reread all his stuff, he's amazing...


Get on that ASAP. Holy farkballs some of the things that happen. o.o Also, it doesn't end on a cliffhanger, which is a nice change of pace from the past couple.

As a longtime fan of the series, I second namatad's earlier statement about the first books, but with some slightly different advice. If you go into them knowing ahead of time that they're not his greatest and that things do VASTLY improve, then they're worth reading just to see how it all started. I also seem to recall that Storm Front was written in a more-or-less "FINE, I'll DO it" mentality for his writing teacher at the time, since he really wanted to focus on fantasy.

Now, my fan's take on the TV series. Confusing casting, particularly with Murphy. I thought Harry was decently cast, Susan completely miscast. It's like the writers confused Murphy with Susan and just ran with it. Overall, I don't think it did the books justice at all.
 
2012-12-31 12:10:50 PM  

HempHead: They had a wealth of stories to tell and they went and invented a terrorist attack on Earth and all new alien races that were never mentioned in any of the series.

Crap, pure crap.


Alternate universe

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-31 12:19:59 PM  
www.tlchicken.com

and yet The Simpson's goes on
 
2012-12-31 01:23:49 PM  
mechgreg:
What firefly fans don't seem to understand is that even if the episodes were run in proper order and it had a promotional budget to rival lost, it still probably wouldn't have lasted a whole season. Shows about space do not do well on network TV.
And for all the talk about it being buried on the Friday night death slot is just crap. Friday night is the slot of lowered expectations. If they had put it on say thursday night, it would have gotten even lower ratings (since higher competition) and would have been cancelled sooner.

Cancelled space cowboy operas that didn't last a season don't ever get feature films made about them either, so there's a lot about Firefly that defies expectations.  Could it have survived if given the right conditions to find an audience?  It was given the worst possible treatment in terms of when and where it aired, episodic order, etc.  No show can survive that, whether it's network scifi or not. It's certainly found an audience now, so clearly its not a problem with the quality of the show.  I agree with you that it may not have survived to see another season had those things changed, but they sure as hell didn't help.  The fact that Fox brass didn't get the show at all didn't help either.

I've watched the run from beginning to end dozens of times.  It's aged well.

/Saving my proper nerdrage for Freaks and Geeks
 
2012-12-31 01:38:35 PM  

Serial Killer X: Brimstone is the only one that still pisses me off.

Especially as they took the same basic concept for Reaper which was nowhere near as good and ran for ages.


I felt the same way about Josh 2.0 vs. Chuck, the latter of which came off to me like a lukewarm ripoff. I watched 1.5 episodes of Chuck and lost interest.
 
2012-12-31 01:42:54 PM  

gglibertine: Josh 2.0


I think you mean Jake 2.0
 
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