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2012-12-30 01:00:12 PM
splitsider.com
 
2012-12-30 01:04:09 PM
List fails without John Doe.  Wait, Digger was with the Phoenix group?  I can't wait to see next season, this is getting good!

CANCELLED.  Trolololololo
 
2012-12-30 01:04:53 PM
I'm still pissed "Harry's Law" was cancelled.
 
2012-12-30 01:09:29 PM
First off, WHAR Titus, Andy Richter Controls The Universe, and The Tick?, WHAR?

Second, I agree that Law and Order was canceled too soon. Ratings were still decent, it was almost a completely new cast, and they had revitalized the old show. And what did they cancel it for? Nothing. Until this past season, every drama they had created between canceling L&O and now was canceled within a season, while L&O would have kept going if NBC had gotten their heads out their asses and quit farking with schedules.

Oh, wait, NBC without their heads up their asses... sounds like the premise to their next failed sci-fi/fantasy show.
 
2012-12-30 01:10:40 PM
Even though it didn't make the record-setting number of episodes that it hoped to, I question the placement of Law & Order in this article.

Not surprised to see Leverage here, as I loved the hell out of that show.

It didn't get a whole lot of attention, but if I were writing an article of this nature, I'd include BBC's Survivors (not to be confused with CBS's reality series Survivor). It was a virus apocalypse show about a ragtag group of survivors in the UK. It had great characters, an interesting premise, and an excellent execution, but they axed it after 12 episodes spread over two seasons (and on a frustratingly inconclusive cliffhanger ending, of all things).
 
2012-12-30 01:17:47 PM
No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard
 
2012-12-30 01:22:39 PM
What no Firefly?
 
2012-12-30 01:24:50 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?


Ugh, only five posts before one of you people.

What this list is actually missing is Better Off Ted.
 
2012-12-30 01:28:19 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?


I can't believe it took 7 posts to get to the Firefly nerdrage.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-30 01:29:49 PM
I'm still annoyed about Terriers. I really want to know which way the turned at the end of the final episode.
 
2012-12-30 01:30:02 PM
We need a tv show about an all gay law firm.
 
2012-12-30 01:31:32 PM
Brimstone is the only one that still pisses me off.

Especially as they took the same basic concept for Reaper which was nowhere near as good and ran for ages.
 
2012-12-30 01:32:06 PM
I'm still upset about Jericho.
 
2012-12-30 01:32:18 PM
Fans of Gina Bellman from Leverage should watch Coupling. She's a hoot in that and it's a great show.
 
2012-12-30 01:33:19 PM

unyon: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

I can't believe it took 7 posts to get to the Firefly nerdrage.

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I thought it would be the very Boobies.
 
2012-12-30 01:35:32 PM

SuperSeriousMan: I'm still annoyed about Terriers. I really want to know which way the turned at the end of the final episode.


They didn't go to Mexico. Remeber - Britt can't go back there without expecting a nasty visit from the Mexican police. Remember that bit of nastiness south of the border?

I'm with you, though. That was a tremendous show - well-written, well-acted, and wonderfully shot. I miss it.
 
2012-12-30 01:35:56 PM
Is it too early to bring up Fringe yet?
 
2012-12-30 01:37:48 PM
I really liked Dresden Files. Deserved more of a run. Along with a bunch of others mentioned so far, Brimstone, Firefly.
I have not seen any of the shows mentioned in the slideshow besides L&O.
 
2012-12-30 01:37:50 PM
Traveler's pilot was interesting, but the premise reminded me too much of the Company plot from Prison Break.
 
2012-12-30 01:38:22 PM
No Eureka? Joan of Arcadia? Reaper? Quantum Leap? The Adventures of Brisco County Jr? The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes? Tower Prep?
 
2012-12-30 01:41:05 PM
My vote is for The Good Guys. Absolutely hilarious. Don't know why it doesn't end up on lists like this. Dan Stark 4ever!
 
2012-12-30 01:42:16 PM
"Sports Night" sucked.

I'm a HUGE fan of "The West Wing", though. The problem with "Sports Night" is that I just don't care about sports, and I think people that DO care about sports are idiots. Plus, the dialogue in "Sports Night" was very self-consciously clever and "important".

Sorkin solved those problems (for the most part) with "The West Wing", and then he re-introduced those SAME problems into "Studio 60".
 
2012-12-30 01:42:36 PM
Dinner for Five was awesome. Wish he'd make more and just throw it on YouTube.

New Amsterdam was killed by the strike. That show had a lot of promise. Like Highlander but pretty decent drama.


FirstNationalBastard: First off, WHAR Titus, Andy Richter Controls The Universe, and The Tick?, WHAR?

Second, I agree that Law and Order was canceled too soon. Ratings were still decent, it was almost a completely new cast, and they had revitalized the old show. And what did they cancel it for? Nothing. Until this past season, every drama they had created between canceling L&O and now was canceled within a season, while L&O would have kept going if NBC had gotten their heads out their asses and quit farking with schedules.

Oh, wait, NBC without their heads up their asses... sounds like the premise to their next failed sci-fi/fantasy show.


Blame Leno. They still haven't recovered from axing their 10pm shows in favor of Leno.
 
2012-12-30 01:43:16 PM

stoli n coke: unyon: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

I can't believe it took 7 posts to get to the Firefly nerdrage.

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I thought it would be the very Boobies.


So did I.
 
2012-12-30 01:43:47 PM

Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?


Meh. I'm still pissed that they cancelled Quark.
 
2012-12-30 01:45:48 PM
I'm never getting over Pushing Daisies.
 
2012-12-30 01:46:28 PM

Serial Killer X: Brimstone is the only one that still pisses me off.

Especially as they took the same basic concept for Reaper which was nowhere near as good and ran for ages.


2 seasons is forever? Reaper was pretty good, but I've also never seen Brimstone. Still pissed they left Reaper on a cliffhanger like that.

People are pissed about Law and Order being cancelled? That show's been on forever, there's only so many cases you can do before it gets old.

I am still sort of pissed about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The ending they gave was crap, and it would have been interesting to see how John Henry would have shaken things up.
 
2012-12-30 01:47:17 PM
Shows come and go, that's just the nature of the beast. What I hate is shows that have an ongoing story arc that gets canceled. Have a season finale with a cliff hanger and never bring it back. Way to treat the fans. Terra Nova, Star Gate Universe, Sarah Connors, to name a few. I would like to leave a few of these producers hanging from a cliff.

I understand the bottom line is the bottom line, but have a plan to end it cleanly!!!
 
2012-12-30 01:47:48 PM
I am still getting over the cancelation of Romper Room.
 
2012-12-30 01:48:42 PM

SuperSeriousMan: I'm still annoyed about Terriers. I really want to know which way the turned at the end of the final episode.


Stu Segal studios is next door to my office. They had a "yard sale" a few months ago and sold all of the stuff from Terriers. I liked that show but it's gone.
 
2012-12-30 01:48:56 PM
www.vidiot.com

They finally dump the Killer Bs (Berman and Braga), let Manny Coto take over, and then they pull the plug just as it was actually starting to improve.
 
2012-12-30 01:50:04 PM
WKRP in Cincinnati
Taxi
 
2012-12-30 01:50:11 PM
Oh, Murder In Small Town X was awesome.
 
2012-12-30 01:50:19 PM

bhcompy: Dinner for Five was awesome. Wish he'd make more and just throw it on YouTube.

New Amsterdam was killed by the strike. That show had a lot of promise. Like Highlander but pretty decent drama.

Friday Night Lights

was never the same after the strike, either.
 
2012-12-30 01:50:25 PM

texdent: No Eureka? Joan of Arcadia? Reaper? Quantum Leap? The Adventures of Brisco County Jr? The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes? Tower Prep?


Eureka was getting to be crap ever since they did the alternate timeline, I'm actually kind of glad it ended on a somewhat highnote. Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes wasn't totally cancelled. They are coming out with Avengers Assemble this next year which is supposed to be a continuation of the same show.
 
2012-12-30 01:52:18 PM
What's with all the pictures of groups of people standing around in alleyways, looking pissed off about something? Are they homeless and angry because their shows got cancelled?
 
2012-12-30 01:52:43 PM
Let's go steal us a reunion (episode).

Would love a Leverage tv-movie in a few years.
 
2012-12-30 01:53:14 PM

GAT_00: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

Ugh, only five posts before one of you people.

What this list is actually missing is Better Off Ted.


Resistance was futile for me.  Lol.
 
2012-12-30 01:53:17 PM
Star Trek

What was that one with Ron Livingston in space?

It was pretty bad, but man I totally got caught up in it. The writing was so bad, but I still got caught up in it.

I'm sure Quantum Apostrophe might remember it?
 
2012-12-30 01:53:18 PM
The lucy and desi comedy hour.
 
2012-12-30 01:54:20 PM
Whar Carnivale, whe?
 
2012-12-30 01:54:35 PM
Brotherhood was a great show, Showtime should have done more to promote it.

I'd put 'Journeyman' on the list.  I'm a sucker for anything involving time travel and the writers had some nice little twists in there that made it a fun series to watch.
 
2012-12-30 01:56:33 PM
The Simpson's... what, that's still on??? OK, Gun Smoke then.
 
2012-12-30 01:57:21 PM
 
2012-12-30 01:58:27 PM

Brick-House: Shows come and go, that's just the nature of the beast. What I hate is shows that have an ongoing story arc that gets canceled. Have a season finale with a cliff hanger and never bring it back. Way to treat the fans. Terra Nova, Star Gate Universe, Sarah Connors, to name a few. I would like to leave a few of these producers hanging from a cliff.

I understand the bottom line is the bottom line, but have a plan to end it cleanly!!!


janeheller.com
 
2012-12-30 01:58:34 PM

cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard


Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.
 
2012-12-30 01:59:38 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: I am still sort of pissed about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The ending they gave was crap, and it would have been interesting to see how John Henry would have shaken things up.


That, and Fox kept the arguably crappy Dollhouse on for another season, and reading the reason why irritates me even more.
 
2012-12-30 01:59:45 PM

I know it was just supposed to be a summer replacement series, but I remember some being upset when this ended:

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Predated Robin Hood: Men in Tights by two decades and was (in my opinion) much, much funnier (I've still got my VHS copy around here somewhere).

"Once upon a time when things were rotten
Not just food, but also kings were rotten
Everybody kicked the peasants
Things were bad and that aint' good
Then came Robin Hood

Soon a band of merry men begotten
They were out to see the plains bring cotton
Helping victims was their business
Boy oh boy was business good
Good for Robin Hood

They laughed, they loved
They fought, they drank
They jumped a lot of fences
They robbed the rich
Gave to the poor
Except what they kept for expenses

So when other legends are forgotten
We'll remember back when things were rotten
Yay for Robin Hood

They laughed, they loved
They fought, they drank
They jumped a lot of fences
They robbed the rich
Gave to the poor
Except what they kept for expenses

So when other legends are forgotten
We'll remember back when things were rotten
Yay for Robin Hood"
 
2012-12-30 01:59:52 PM
mimg.ugo.com

/Open the stasis pods
 
2012-12-30 01:59:59 PM
I still miss The Unit.
 
2012-12-30 02:00:21 PM
showing my age i guess....

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2012-12-30 02:00:45 PM

shpritz: cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard

Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.


This. It jumped about the time Chuck told his buddy his secret.
 
2012-12-30 02:01:16 PM

shpritz: cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard

Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.


Hells no

Season 3 was when it was at its peak.

Plus, 3 more seasons of Yvonne Strahovski is good enough justification for any TV show shiatty or no.
 
2012-12-30 02:02:50 PM

cman: Plus, 3 more seasons of Yvonne Strahovski is good enough justification for any TV show shiatty or no.


Any word if she's going to be back for Dexter's final season?
 
2012-12-30 02:03:14 PM

Mart Laar's beard shaver: [mimg.ugo.com image 288x288]

/Open the stasis pods


I can sort of understand why that one got the axe. Many of the characters were acting like high functioning retards, and the writers didn't get their heads out of their ass until the axe was already dropping. It was just starting to get really good, but it happened too late.
 
2012-12-30 02:03:38 PM
Enterprise

The show was actually figuring out where it should be, a show set before the Original Star Trek series where instead of meeting aliens that were never mentioned before, we are meeting aliens for the first time that were staples of the later series. Plus it had finally figured out that mini story arcs are better than single stand alone episodes.

I remember an interview with Scott Bacula about the cancellation of Enterprise, where he blamed UPN saying that the network got a new boss that year and was seeking to send the station into a more urban direction and Enterprise wasn't apart of that vision. He said that years from now people will still watch and talk about Enterprise, unlike those other shows on UPN which the majority of the population will forget about.

Not surprising that UPN, which started with Star Trek: Voyager and then Star Trek: Enterprise, had to merge with WB forming CW a year after they cancelled Star Trek: Enterprise. Almost like UPN killed the only show anyone actually cared about on that network.
 
2012-12-30 02:03:39 PM
Oh and Stargate Universe
 
2012-12-30 02:04:41 PM

dramboxf: cman: Plus, 3 more seasons of Yvonne Strahovski is good enough justification for any TV show shiatty or no.

Any word if she's going to be back for Dexter's final season?


I hope. Maybe she will finally show her boobs on screen. Waiting for that for a while now.
 
2012-12-30 02:04:44 PM
the chicago code? REALLY?
was it a show about chicago cops?
were all the cops criminals and petty little shiats?
so it was in some fantasy chicago which didnt exist?

sorry, but the idea of chicago cops
"try to expose political corruption within the city. "
HAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHA
so it was a NON-corrupt squad exposing political corruption???
POT MEET KETTLE
and it was on fox, so OF COURSE it was going to be cancelled
 
2012-12-30 02:04:57 PM
Also agree on Better Off Ted. I think they should have tried to float it at HBO or another full-frontal-nudity-and-language network, because then the writers could really let loose.
 
2012-12-30 02:06:17 PM

cman: shpritz: cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard

Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.

Hells no

Season 3 was when it was at its peak.

Plus, 3 more seasons of Yvonne Strahovski is good enough justification for any TV show shiatty or no.


May I direct you to the just-finished season of Dexter?
 
2012-12-30 02:06:42 PM

cman: I hope. Maybe she will finally show her boobs on screen. Waiting for that for a while now.


*Sigh* Me, too.

See, I'm just now watching Chuck. I'm about a third of the way through Season .2. So I saw her on Dexter and went "Wow, a cutie!" Then I realized fairly quickly that I have five seasons of her on Chuck to catch up with. She def. needs to do a topless scene next year.
 
2012-12-30 02:07:20 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Even though it didn't make the record-setting number of episodes that it hoped to, I question the placement of Law & Order in this article.

Not surprised to see Leverage here, as I loved the hell out of that show.

It didn't get a whole lot of attention, but if I were writing an article of this nature, I'd include BBC's Survivors (not to be confused with CBS's reality series Survivor). It was a virus apocalypse show about a ragtag group of survivors in the UK. It had great characters, an interesting premise, and an excellent execution, but they axed it after 12 episodes spread over two seasons (and on a frustratingly inconclusive cliffhanger ending, of all things).


If you liked Leverage, check out the British series "Hustle" it was based on. And "the Real Hustle" where con men show you how to be a grifter.
 
2012-12-30 02:07:33 PM

CarnySaur: Dingleberry Dickwad: I am still sort of pissed about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The ending they gave was crap, and it would have been interesting to see how John Henry would have shaken things up.

That, and Fox kept the arguably crappy Dollhouse on for another season, and reading the reason why irritates me even more.


strangely enough, season 2 of dollhouse picked up and started to get interesting.
TSCC also was really picking up steam and left us in a great place to pick up the story if they wanted.
firefly and universe

but law and order? please it had done every story 20 times already, including 37 spin offs. it was long past done

the unusuals was fun, but in the end, yet another cop show ... so where would it have gone in order to keep us paying attention??
 
2012-12-30 02:07:35 PM

Benalto: My vote is for The Good Guys. Absolutely hilarious. Don't know why it doesn't end up on lists like this. Dan Stark 4ever!


This. I loved this show Jenny Wade, Colin Hanks and Bradley Whitford all on the top of their game.

/List does need more Firefly though
 
2012-12-30 02:08:15 PM

bhcompy: Dinner for Five was awesome. Wish he'd make more and just throw it on YouTube.


My favorite moment, besides Marilyn Manson talking really interestingly about German Expressionism, was Sarah Silverman trying to shock Rod Steiger with some pot and him growling at her that he'd been smoking the stuff before she'd been in diapers.
 
2012-12-30 02:08:56 PM

SuperSeriousMan: I'm still annoyed about Terriers. I really want to know which way the turned at the end of the final episode.


That's such a great show, but I didn't really mind the open ending. That show works so well as a cohesive whole that it's almost better it didn't have to top itself later.
 
2012-12-30 02:09:12 PM

Pastramification: I'm never getting over Pushing Daisies.


Kristin Chenoweth's cleavage FTW
 
2012-12-30 02:09:18 PM

namatad: TSCC also was really picking up steam and left us in a great place to pick up the story if they wanted.


Plus, TSCC had one of the most shocking deaths in a show of the last 10 years or so in the last couple of episodes.
 
2012-12-30 02:11:43 PM
Add me to the Better Off Ted mourners.
 
2012-12-30 02:12:52 PM

Great Janitor: Enterprise

The show was actually figuring out where it should be, a show set before the Original Star Trek series where instead of meeting aliens that were never mentioned before, we are meeting aliens for the first time that were staples of the later series. Plus it had finally figured out that mini story arcs are better than single stand alone episodes.

I remember an interview with Scott Bacula about the cancellation of Enterprise, where he blamed UPN saying that the network got a new boss that year and was seeking to send the station into a more urban direction and Enterprise wasn't apart of that vision. He said that years from now people will still watch and talk about Enterprise, unlike those other shows on UPN which the majority of the population will forget about.

Not surprising that UPN, which started with Star Trek: Voyager and then Star Trek: Enterprise, had to merge with WB forming CW a year after they cancelled Star Trek: Enterprise. Almost like UPN killed the only show anyone actually cared about on that network.


The entire 9/11 plot was crap and will not age well.

They had a wealth of stories to tell and they went and invented a terrorist attack on Earth and all new alien races that were never mentioned in any of the series.

Crap, pure crap.
 
2012-12-30 02:14:03 PM

CarnySaur: Dingleberry Dickwad: I am still sort of pissed about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The ending they gave was crap, and it would have been interesting to see how John Henry would have shaken things up.

That, and Fox kept the arguably crappy Dollhouse on for another season, and reading the reason why irritates me even more.


Are you suggesting that it was a bad idea to bet on the man who would ultimately go on to make the highest grossing film in cinema history? The man who arguably has more pull than anyone else in Hollywood right now?
 
2012-12-30 02:15:32 PM
Oh, ya! The UNUSUALS.
I actually liked that show.
Still pissed about Leverage.
And ya, as someone mentioned above, I actually like Stargate Universe.

I could really give a crap about night time soap operas like Chicago Code and Lone Star.
Never even heard of that Dinner one.
 
2012-12-30 02:15:34 PM

rugman11: CarnySaur: Dingleberry Dickwad: I am still sort of pissed about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The ending they gave was crap, and it would have been interesting to see how John Henry would have shaken things up.

That, and Fox kept the arguably crappy Dollhouse on for another season, and reading the reason why irritates me even more.

Are you suggesting that it was a bad idea to bet on the man who would ultimately go on to make the highest grossing film in cinema history? The man who arguably has more pull than anyone else in Hollywood right now?


The man who should have stayed on WB/CW because his TV shows don't draw Big 4 Network ratings?
 
2012-12-30 02:19:40 PM

StrikitRich: Is it too early to bring up Fringe yet?


They had 5 seasons and were given a chance to finish. I don't consider that being cancelled.

Anyways, the answer to which show we should still be upset about being cancelled is:

ewwatchingtv.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-30 02:23:39 PM
Yes he's good on Homeland but...FARK JAY LENO!

collider.com
 
2012-12-30 02:24:03 PM

realmolo: Sorkin solved those problems (for the most part) with "The West Wing", and then he re-introduced those SAME problems into "Studio 60".


I was really looking forward to that show, then I watched it.

There were few good moments, but I grew weary of the constant religious bickering between Chandler and whatsername.

The dialogue in West Wing deserved to be self-important because of the setting; I can't believe there's ever been a single conversation in any network anywhere anytime that deserved so much of Sorkin's brand of gravitas.

/yes, I know
//-1 internets for using the word gravitas
 
2012-12-30 02:24:23 PM
The writer's strike and, later, the Leno debacle really screwed a few good shows. Stuff like Journeyman, New Amsterdam, Life, Law & Order, Law & Order: LA, Detroit 1-8-7, and Good Guys. I'd also add Glory Daze to that list. I think it got screwed by being on TBS and poorly promoted.
 
2012-12-30 02:24:30 PM

El_Swino: What's with all the pictures of groups of people standing around in alleyways, looking pissed off about something? Are they homeless and angry because their shows got cancelled?


Seeing them all in a row does make them all seem the same.
 
2012-12-30 02:26:24 PM
Sadly, there's a distinct lack of Jericho on this list
 
2012-12-30 02:28:25 PM

CZMisfitsFan: The writer's strike and, later, the Leno debacle really screwed a few good shows. Stuff like Journeyman


Oh, poor Journeyman. It hurts to remember how much potential that show had and how I wanted to see it going forward.
 
2012-12-30 02:29:02 PM
Dinner for five and Sarah Conner were the only two on that list I ever watched. Sarah Conner's second season was DULL with the exception of like three payoff episodes. Third season might have been good, and I wish Dark horse or IDW had optioned the rights to continue it as a comic, but oh well.

cman: shpritz: cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard

Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.

Hells no.


They needed ten more episodes to make Sarah's memory recovery believable(in context), and then they could have ended it with a giant mega-happy that saw Carmichael Ind. not only a top notch security firm, but a medical research company iwth it's new patented "information implantation and retetion technology:(No, I'm not putting the effort into an acronym for INTERSECT).



Plus, 3 more seasons of Yvonne Strahovski is good enough justification for any TV show shiatty or no.


I started watching Dexter because of her. I'm just fine with not playing catch up, but I will be around as long as she is.

Flint Ironstag: Fans of Gina Bellman from Leverage should watch Coupling. She's a hoot in that and it's a great show.


THIS/\

Anybody out there wish we could have gotten a real ending to Strange Luck? Oh, and Brisco County, Jr. ended right where it should have, imho.

Also, Dark Angel was ruined in year two and then canceled when it could have been saved. I'd complain about Firefly,but honestly it's done MUCH better this way than it would have if it would have kept going. Reboot still needs an ending. So does Roughnecks:Starship Trooper Chronicles - funny story, SONY still has the voice recordings for the last three episodes that were never animated.
 
2012-12-30 02:29:29 PM

CarnySaur: Dingleberry Dickwad: I am still sort of pissed about Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. The ending they gave was crap, and it would have been interesting to see how John Henry would have shaken things up.

That, and Fox kept the arguably crappy Dollhouse on for another season, and reading the reason why irritates me even more.


Remember that TSCC was made by Warner Bros so it cost Fox more money and wouldn't make than any profit in DVD sales etc.

I'd have loved to see where they went in S3 as well. Allison instead of Cameron, Connor a nobody, Weaver (maybe) on the good side, Sarah left back in the present day...
 
2012-12-30 02:29:48 PM

JosephFinn: My favorite moment, besides Marilyn Manson talking really interestingly about German Expressionism


I sorta remember that episode. While I don't like his music, Manson definitely has a strange yet strong magnetism about him where he can dominate a room. He could walk onto the Senate floor at anytime and spend 15 minutes talking about pencil erasers, and everyone will stop and listen.
 
2012-12-30 02:31:17 PM

JosephFinn: namatad: TSCC also was really picking up steam and left us in a great place to pick up the story if they wanted.

Plus, TSCC had one of the most shocking deaths in a show of the last 10 years or so in the last couple of episodes.


HOLY fark that was PERFECT and AWESOME
and the cliff hanger made it even more amazing. typical fox. cancel the show that I like.
assholes
 
2012-12-30 02:33:14 PM
Also,. apparently no voice work has yet been ordered for another Season of Young Justice, which is the only tv project to come out of DC since Justice League Unlimited that's worth watching.

And what about Wolverine and the X-Men? cliffhanger showing that season two would have been twenty episodes of The Age of Apocalypse. we were robbed.
 
2012-12-30 02:34:25 PM

dittybopper: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

Meh. I'm still pissed that they cancelled Quark.


Link
 
2012-12-30 02:34:25 PM

GAT_00: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

Ugh, only five posts before one of you people.

What this list is actually missing is Better Off Ted.


Lio Coh Jwei Ji Neong Hur Ho Deh Yung Duh Buhn Jah J'wohn!

Bai Tuo, Uhn Jin Yee Dien.

/honorable mention for SCC on the list at least
 
2012-12-30 02:36:51 PM
Now and Again
Threshold

Dresden Files
Quark
Sports Night
 
2012-12-30 02:38:31 PM

El_Swino: What's with all the pictures of groups of people standing around in alleyways, looking pissed off about something? Are they homeless and angry because their shows got cancelled?


Came in here to point this out.

Also, Law and Order? Holy crap! That show had seventy-three seasons. Enough is enough.

As for me, they always bump good sci-fi before it has a chance to take off. The three most recent examples in my mind were Journeyman, FlashForward, and The Event. And yes, the Sarah Connor Chronicles needed to continue.
 
2012-12-30 02:38:43 PM

Killer Cars: JosephFinn: My favorite moment, besides Marilyn Manson talking really interestingly about German Expressionism

I sorta remember that episode. While I don't like his music, Manson definitely has a strange yet strong magnetism about him where he can dominate a room. He could walk onto the Senate floor at anytime and spend 15 minutes talking about pencil erasers, and everyone will stop and listen.


Very much so. I'd be curious to talk to the guy.
 
2012-12-30 02:39:22 PM
It's a little cliche to mention it, but after watching the entire run, I'm ready to put Freaks and Geeks up on the "died too young" list. Initially I just considered it throwing my wife a bone when she suggested it, since she put up with 9 seasons of Stargate, but dammit if I didn't care about the growth the characters were experiencing by the end of the run.
 
2012-12-30 02:39:24 PM
FX's cancellation of The Riches is enough to send me into a white-hot ball of seething fury. They dropped the show right in the middle of a cliffhanger...ugh.
 
2012-12-30 02:39:58 PM
The new series of Thundercats.
 
2012-12-30 02:40:20 PM
What, no mention of the Tick?
 
2012-12-30 02:42:46 PM

lasercannon: The new series of Thundercats.


And Invader ZIM.
 
2012-12-30 02:45:12 PM

puckrock2000: [www.vidiot.com image 800x800]

They finally dump the Killer Bs (Berman and Braga), let Manny Coto take over, and then they pull the plug just as it was actually starting to improve.


If it's any consolation, the whole UPN network got cancelled in the end. I think time has proven that first-run syndication, which was the business model of TNG and DS9, was a more secure place for Star Trek to be. UPN seemed to want to be anything but the network that Star Trek fans would watch.
 
2012-12-30 02:47:21 PM

eaglepuss: Dresden Files


started "meh" and was starting to get better
the books, ESP the later books, are among my favorite books of all time.
Changes, Ghost Story and Cold Days blew me away.
The Alera Codex is one of my all time favorite fantasy series.
I would love to see HBO-like treatment of the series.
The novels could be combined into longer story arcs and split where needed.
Short episodes only go so far.
Alas .... because of the stupid SF channel version we will probably never see anything done with this.
 
2012-12-30 02:47:57 PM
Do I really need a 10-page slideshow to remind me to be pissed off?
 
2012-12-30 02:48:40 PM

Nem Wan: If it's any consolation, the whole UPN network got cancelled in the end. I think time has proven that first-run syndication, which was the business model of TNG and DS9, was a more secure place for Star Trek to be. UPN seemed to want to be anything but the network that Star Trek fans would watch.


It would be interesting if this was tried again by adults. Clearly SyFy (sic) has gone completely round the bend. PROFITS!!! MORE PROFITS!!!
 
2012-12-30 02:51:53 PM
Well at least the promotional departments for those shows all came up with new and different ways to take cast photographs.
 
2012-12-30 02:54:02 PM
Sports Night was a crap show that people talk about to sound smart and edgy. Like eternal sunshine. It sucked and everyone knows it sucked including the people who claim to like it.
 
2012-12-30 02:55:57 PM

jayhawk88: It's a little cliche to mention it, but after watching the entire run, I'm ready to put Freaks and Geeks up on the "died too young" list. Initially I just considered it throwing my wife a bone when she suggested it, since she put up with 9 seasons of Stargate, but dammit if I didn't care about the growth the characters were experiencing by the end of the run.


Definitely. Just discovered it myself a couple months ago and watched the whole series in about a week. I'm not sure it would have survived a second or third season, but I don't think I've ever seen a show that had did so many things right all at the same time.
 
2012-12-30 02:57:13 PM

Benalto: My vote is for The Good Guys. Absolutely hilarious.


This too.  The entire show is on Netflix BTW.
 
2012-12-30 02:57:40 PM

red5ish: Do I really need a 10-page slideshow to remind me to be pissed off?


yes
 
2012-12-30 02:58:42 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Sports Night was a crap show that people talk about to sound smart and edgy. Like eternal sunshine. It sucked and everyone knows it sucked including the people who claim to like it.


when it was good, it was very good; when it was bad, it was very bad.
It took a long time to get going and really didnt have anywhere to go, so it died.
 
2012-12-30 02:59:47 PM
I've never heard of any of those shows, but I am still pissed that Fox canceled King of the Hill. 13 seasons an its still one of my favorite shows ever. I can't believe they canceled and replaced it with that farking abortion known as the Cleveland Show. Seth McFarland needs a punch in the neck.
 
2012-12-30 03:01:08 PM

realmolo: . The problem with "Sports Night" is that I just don't care about sports, and I think people that DO care about sports are idiots.


I have absolutely no interest in sports of any kind. Sports Night will always be one of my favourite programs.

You've got to learn to separate the stuff, from the stuff.
(I don't do pictures, so you'll just have to imagine an image of William H. Macy as Sam Donovan here.)
 
2012-12-30 03:03:15 PM
Veronica Mars
Terriers
Firefly
Community (firing Harmon is almost canceling)
Kings, holy crap, so much Kings. I almost forgot that one.
 
2012-12-30 03:09:52 PM
 
2012-12-30 03:10:50 PM

rugman11: SuperSeriousMan: I'm still annoyed about Terriers. I really want to know which way the turned at the end of the final episode.

That's such a great show, but I didn't really mind the open ending. That show works so well as a cohesive whole that it's almost better it didn't have to top itself later.


I thought of it almost like Butch Cassidy & Sundance.  Perfect for a couple of Robin Hood characters.  Plus, it's entirely possible that someone can do a major reboot years later, either with the same actors and characters but older, or maybe with the characters' kids.

Jarhead_h: Also,. apparently no voice work has yet been ordered for another Season of Young Justice, which is the only tv project to come out of DC since Justice League Unlimited that's worth watching.


Aw man, I just started watching that show from the beginning.  I love it because it tells the story from the perspectives of the next generation heroes without pandering to little children.  There has been some hilarious innuendo.  And Batman and Superman are absolutely perfect - a cold, calculating mastermind with no social skills, and a stiff, emotionless Nietzschian superman, again with no social skills.
 
2012-12-30 03:11:58 PM
No MST3K? Fark this list in the ear.
 
2012-12-30 03:13:41 PM
Human Target and The Finder (RIP Michael Clarke Duncan).

For the latter, I want a Bones crossover wrapup episode where Booth punches the Gypsy Leader in the face. Repeatedly.
 
2012-12-30 03:18:42 PM
I'm going out on a limb and saying, no Dresden Files??!?!
 
2012-12-30 03:19:47 PM
I can't think of a TV series that upset me at cancellation. For me, waiting for BBC to release new episodes of Sherlock and other series (love Whitechapel too) is what drives me bonkers. Danged slow filming times!
 
2012-12-30 03:20:21 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Human Target and The Finder (RIP Michael Clarke Duncan).

For the latter, I want a Bones crossover wrapup episode where Booth punches the Gypsy Leader in the face. Repeatedly.


X-Factor managed to kill Human Target, Chicago Code, Lie to Me, and possibly The Good Guys (though it was likely a goner anyways). I guess it's worked out for Fox in the ratings, but damn was that a lot of attrition.
 
2012-12-30 03:20:25 PM

GAT_00: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

Ugh, only five posts before one of you people.

What this list is actually missing is Better Off Ted.


That show was both funny and smart. Sad they cancelled it so soon
 
2012-12-30 03:21:55 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: One of my favoritest things ever, the really really really NSFW outtakes from Better Off Ted


Thank you.

Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.
 
2012-12-30 03:22:39 PM
As Better Off Ted and Dresden Files were mentioned, I will throw down Flying Blind and walk away.
 
2012-12-30 03:23:43 PM
Nice Browncoat bait subs.
 
2012-12-30 03:23:54 PM

HotWingAgenda: And Batman and Superman are absolutely perfect - a cold, calculating mastermind with no social skills, and a stiff, emotionless Nietzschian superman, again with no social skills.


The adults being these remote almost gods to the youngers has been one of the most interesting things of the series, especially when you start getting in Invasion the ones who are starting to ascend to that level, like Nightwing.
 
2012-12-30 03:24:37 PM
www.jeffco.ca
 
2012-12-30 03:25:02 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: One of my favoritest things ever, the really really really NSFW outtakes from Better Off Ted


You magnificently tanned shiatbird.
 
2012-12-30 03:26:30 PM

JosephFinn: Dumb-Ass-Monkey: One of my favoritest things ever, the really really really NSFW outtakes from Better Off Ted

You magnificently tanned shiatbird.


Spermatorium

I have GOT to remember that one.
 
2012-12-30 03:32:13 PM

KellyKellyKelly: No MST3K? Fark this list in the ear.


Bright side: Rifftrax
Dark side: It was the unofficial start to SciFi becoming Syfy.
 
2012-12-30 03:33:47 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Star Trek

What was that one with Ron Livingston in space?

It was pretty bad, but man I totally got caught up in it. The writing was so bad, but I still got caught up in it.

I'm sure Quantum Apostrophe might remember it?


Defying Gravity. I was pretty disappointed it didn't keep going. Agree with you that it wasn't good, but I was still compelled to watch every episode. Couldn't tell you why, apart from the mystery of it and that I'm a spaceofile.
 
2012-12-30 03:34:16 PM

Time Traveling Bunnies: Let's go steal us a reunion (episode).

Would love a Leverage tv-movie in a few years.


You know, I really wouldn't mind that.


KellyKellyKelly: No MST3K? Fark this list in the ear.


Screwed over by not one, but TWO networks, no less.

The damn station manager transitions made that possible at both Comedy Central and Sci-Fi Channel. The show ended up in the hands of two dumb farks who didn't know/care what to do with it.


HempHead: If you liked Leverage, check out the British series "Hustle" it was based on. And "the Real Hustle" where con men show you how to be a grifter.


I've heard a lot about Hustle, but I've never caught it.

I want to change that.


eaglepuss: Now and Again


THANK. YOU.

I *loved* that show. Dennis Haysbert is awesome in anything, really.


Flint Ironstag: Fans of Gina Bellman from Leverage should watch Coupling. She's a hoot in that and it's a great show.


Duly and truly noted and quoted - thanks for the head's up!
 
2012-12-30 03:34:52 PM

eddievercetti: Dark side: It was the unofficial start to SciFi becoming Syfy.


Dark farkin' days, man.
 
2012-12-30 03:35:10 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Human Target and The Finder (RIP Michael Clarke Duncan).

For the latter, I want a Bones crossover wrapup episode where Booth punches the Gypsy Leader in the face. Repeatedly.


I wrote on imdb that they really need to do an episode of Bones where Walter, Booth and the gang team up to track down Willa so Walter can take her to Leo's funeral. Then later she learns that Leo left the bar to her. With the provision that Walter somewhat runs it for her until she turns 21. It would wrap up the storyline a bit for any fans of The Finder.

I could see Booth and Walter beating the hell out of Eric Roberts to protect Willa.
 
2012-12-30 03:37:45 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Flint Ironstag: Fans of Gina Bellman from Leverage should watch Coupling. She's a hoot in that and it's a great show.

Duly and truly noted and quoted - thanks for the head's up!


Oh yeah, Coupling is pretty awesome. The guy who played Ted in Better Off Ted was in the disastrous American version, but he escaped.
 
2012-12-30 03:40:31 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: KellyKellyKelly: No MST3K? Fark this list in the ear.

Screwed over by not one, but TWO networks, no less.

The damn station manager transitions made that possible at both Comedy Central and Sci-Fi Channel. The show ended up in the hands of two dumb farks who didn't know/care what to do with it.


Comedy Central had a clusterfark of shows and they didn't know what to do with any of them. They kept the shows with big ratings and ditched MST. And we know why Sci Fi dumped MST3K year later...
 
2012-12-30 03:41:28 PM

cman: No "Chuck"?


maybe pissed to the extent that the show's finale felt like one of those faux-finales from previous seasons where they're banking on NBC picking them up for additional episodes. Either way, the last season was terrible and they should've known that an additional pick up was not going to happen.

I never watched the Lone Gunmen show. It didn't really sound like an appealing prospect and it came around the time I stopped giving a crap about X-Files.
 
2012-12-30 03:42:55 PM
dontdrinkbeer.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-30 03:48:12 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: KellyKellyKelly: No MST3K? Fark this list in the ear.

Screwed over by not one, but TWO networks, no less.

The damn station manager transitions made that possible at both Comedy Central and Sci-Fi Channel. The show ended up in the hands of two dumb farks who didn't know/care what to do with it.


you know, as much as I love MST3k, I can see it being a headache of a show to deal with in terms of securing rights/royalties and in taking up a 2-hour timeslot. Granted, i'm a bit miffed that Sci-Fi stopped carrying it so it can air bullshiat, but that just kind of seems par for the course for Sci-Fi.
 
2012-12-30 03:51:09 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: One of my favoritest things ever, the really really really NSFW outtakes from Better Off Ted


Ha! I have rallied to have people refer me as "Frosty the Snow Whore"

(Only because I'm not popular enough to be referred to as a dick-infested man-mattress.)
 
2012-12-30 03:53:31 PM
I'm still pissed they canceled lost after 5 seasons


/so leverage was a good show?
 
2012-12-30 03:57:29 PM

Jarhead_h: Reboot still needs an ending.


If you mean this Reboot:

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They had an ending, and then two movies. It all aired on Cartoon Network about 8 years ago. You can see the re-runs here: Toonami Aftermath
 
2012-12-30 03:58:37 PM
EZ Streets
 
2012-12-30 03:59:10 PM
The ending to Angel was just horrible.
 
2012-12-30 04:01:18 PM

awfulperson:  always bump good sci-fi before it has a chance to take off. The three most recent examples in my mind were Journeyman, FlashForward, and The Event. And yes, the Sarah Connor Chronicles needed to continue.


The Event? Seriously, I'm sorta in the same boat, there's such a lack of any sci if on tv, that I'll give anything a chance... I marathoned The Event one weekend... I had to drink to get thrOugh it, still not sure why I didn't just turn it off, total garbage, worse than the V reboot.
 
2012-12-30 04:05:06 PM
List fails without Vengeance Unlimited.
 
2012-12-30 04:06:46 PM
I heard SO many good things about Sports Night and I think I made it to the last 2 episodes of season 1 but just couldn't bring myself to care. Maybe if they didn't spend HALF the episode EVERY episode recapping what happened the week before I might have made it through but good lord.

Actually, thats just part of it. I think by halfway through season 1 I started to visibly hate ever character on that show. Im pretty sure its the writing more than anything thou.
 
2012-12-30 04:09:22 PM

Into the blue again: /so leverage was a good show?


I'd say so, but with this caveat:

It's not too deep, it's not TOO plausible, but it's entertaining as hell.

I'm not saying that it's dumb, but if you have suspension of disbelief in play, you will enjoy the hell out of it.

The best part of the show (besides the cons themselves) is how the main characters interact with each other.

Give it a shot!


Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.


I actually liked that ending, the whole "the battle never really stops" thing.

*shrugs*


FeedTheCollapse: you know, as much as I love MST3k, I can see it being a headache of a show to deal with in terms of securing rights/royalties and in taking up a 2-hour timeslot. Granted, i'm a bit miffed that Sci-Fi stopped carrying it so it can air bullshiat, but that just kind of seems par for the course for Sci-Fi.


eddievercetti: Comedy Central had a clusterfark of shows and they didn't know what to do with any of them. They kept the shows with big ratings and ditched MST. And we know why Sci Fi dumped MST3K year later...


It just helps to talk about this.

Reason takes a backseat to my MST3K love.


JosephFinn: Oh yeah, Coupling is pretty awesome. The guy who played Ted in Better Off Ted was in the disastrous American version, but he escaped.


I knew of the disastrous American version, but never tried out the British original.

I'll look into it. Thank ya!
 
2012-12-30 04:10:04 PM
List fails without
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2012-12-30 04:11:40 PM
Firefly
The Sara Connor Chronicles
Life (although we did at least get some closure)
Journeyman
Better Off Ted (should be at the top of my list)
The Dresden Files
Freaks and Geeks
 
2012-12-30 04:14:58 PM

razyjean: Jarhead_h: Reboot still needs an ending.

If you mean this Reboot:

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They had an ending, and then two movies. It all aired on Cartoon Network about 8 years ago. You can see the re-runs here: Toonami Aftermath


I am in your debt sir.
 
2012-12-30 04:20:30 PM

Ed Grubermann: List fails without
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Ummm....god, looks really familiar. Government experiment on the run?
 
2012-12-30 04:23:04 PM
Better Off Ted
Cone High
Coupling
 
2012-12-30 04:28:47 PM
Firefly
V
Dollhouse

/Just finished the series last night and Serenity this morning. Again.
 
2012-12-30 04:29:47 PM
still mad about Soap

Killed because one gay character, was one too many.
 
2012-12-30 04:29:49 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Into the blue again: /so leverage was a good show?

I'd say so, but with this caveat:

It's not too deep, it's not TOO plausible, but it's entertaining as hell.

I'm not saying that it's dumb, but if you have suspension of disbelief in play, you will enjoy the hell out of it.

The best part of the show (besides the cons themselves) is how the main characters interact with each other.

Give it a shot!


Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

I actually liked that ending, the whole "the battle never really stops" thing.

*shrugs*


FeedTheCollapse: you know, as much as I love MST3k, I can see it being a headache of a show to deal with in terms of securing rights/royalties and in taking up a 2-hour timeslot. Granted, i'm a bit miffed that Sci-Fi stopped carrying it so it can air bullshiat, but that just kind of seems par for the course for Sci-Fi.

eddievercetti: Comedy Central had a clusterfark of shows and they didn't know what to do with any of them. They kept the shows with big ratings and ditched MST. And we know why Sci Fi dumped MST3K year later...

It just helps to talk about this.

Reason takes a backseat to my MST3K love.


JosephFinn: Oh yeah, Coupling is pretty awesome. The guy who played Ted in Better Off Ted was in the disastrous American version, but he escaped.

I knew of the disastrous American version, but never tried out the British original.

I'll look into it. Thank ya!


Ok, adding leverage to my list then. Thanks!
 
2012-12-30 04:31:51 PM

GAT_00: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

Ugh, only five posts before one of you people.


GET OVER IT. IT AIN'T COMIN' BACK. YOU WON.
 
2012-12-30 04:35:49 PM
None of you will probably remember the show. But I really miss "I'm With Her." We got nine seasons of "According to Jim", but only 22 of this show. No wonder Network Television is in the shape it's in.
 
2012-12-30 04:36:29 PM
Yeah, well, some bigshot's wife at CBS decided nobody wanted to see country bumpkins on their TV thingy, so they cancelled the Beverly Hillbillies.

/Sob!
 
2012-12-30 04:38:25 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.


There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

/And Duckman and Sliders both have unresolved cliffhangers because of writers saying "Fark You" to USA/Siffy.


FeedTheCollapse: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: KellyKellyKelly: No MST3K? Fark this list in the ear.

Screwed over by not one, but TWO networks, no less.

The damn station manager transitions made that possible at both Comedy Central and Sci-Fi Channel. The show ended up in the hands of two dumb farks who didn't know/care what to do with it.

you know, as much as I love MST3k, I can see it being a headache of a show to deal with in terms of securing rights/royalties...


Actually, no. Remember, Universal owns Siffy. The Universal vault was wide open to MST3K. Hell, that's why Season 8 was so damn difficult to bring to DVD until Shout did some smooth negotiating just recently... Siffy pretty much forced MST3K to use movies from the Universal vault for the majority of season 8. So securing rights to the vast myriad of Universal films was no problem at all for first run broadcast.
 
2012-12-30 04:41:33 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: Yeah, well, some bigshot's wife at CBS decided nobody wanted to see country bumpkins on their TV thingy, so they cancelled the Beverly Hillbillies.

/Sob!


You're getting your stories mixed.

IIRC, Gunsmoke was canceled in 1967, until the head of CBS found out and un-canceled his wife's favorite show. So, they canceled Gilligan's Island instead to make room for Gunsmoke.

The Rural Purge which hit Hee Haw, Mayberry RFD, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, and Petticoat Junction was because CBS Executives wanted a younger, more urban demographic than their country shows (which were still getting perfectly good ratings, BTW) could bring them.
 
2012-12-30 04:41:57 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Actually, no. Remember, Universal owns Siffy. The Universal vault was wide open to MST3K. Hell, that's why Season 8 was so damn difficult to bring to DVD until Shout did some smooth negotiating just recently... Siffy pretty much forced MST3K to use movies from the Universal vault for the majority of season 8. So securing rights to the vast myriad of Universal films was no problem at all for first run broadcast.


well, but that was just season 8. I'm sure there's other instances elsewhere of the same idea, but I was pretty sure it was a common problem for them to secure the rights for reairings and whatnot.
 
2012-12-30 04:44:23 PM
List absolutely fails without Carnivale, Dead Like Me and SGU.

I am still beyond bitter about Carnivale, in particular.
 
2012-12-30 04:45:47 PM

FeedTheCollapse: FirstNationalBastard: Actually, no. Remember, Universal owns Siffy. The Universal vault was wide open to MST3K. Hell, that's why Season 8 was so damn difficult to bring to DVD until Shout did some smooth negotiating just recently... Siffy pretty much forced MST3K to use movies from the Universal vault for the majority of season 8. So securing rights to the vast myriad of Universal films was no problem at all for first run broadcast.

well, but that was just season 8. I'm sure there's other instances elsewhere of the same idea, but I was pretty sure it was a common problem for them to secure the rights for reairings and whatnot.


It generally was. But, once they went to Siffy with season 8, they had the entire Universal vault and Public Domain open to them. The problem could have, hypothetically, disappeared. I mean, the Universal vault isn't exactly small... they probably could have gotten 7 seasons on Siffy alone out of just Universal and PD movies.
 
2012-12-30 04:48:34 PM

texdent: Oh and Stargate Universe


Ever since they announced the cancellation of SGU, I've been on a hunger strike. I'm down to 500 pounds now.
 
2012-12-30 04:49:34 PM
Harry's Law
Boston Legal
Pushing Daisies
The West Wing
 
2012-12-30 04:54:01 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Freaks and Geeks


This. It had a lot of potential that wasn't fully realized.
 
2012-12-30 05:05:26 PM

eddievercetti: Yes he's good on Homeland but...FARK JAY LENO!

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It's always sad when they cancel a scheduled viewing of Sarah Shahi.
 
2012-12-30 05:06:11 PM
I miss detective Briscoe. Law and order did get odd after he died and yes did revive itself with Jeremy Sisto. I record all the reruns, it is amazing watching it change from its first episode to the last.
 
2012-12-30 05:10:47 PM

Into the blue again: Ok, adding leverage to my list then. Thanks!


Hope you enjoy it!

Fair warning: it gets better as the series goes on (although I'm not TOO crazy about a few of the Season 2 episodes where Jeri Ryan temporarily fills in for a pregnant Gina Bellman, but even then, they're still enjoyable).

Have fun!


RckPngn: I miss detective Briscoe. Law and order did get odd after he died and yes did revive itself with Jeremy Sisto. I record all the reruns, it is amazing watching it change from its first episode to the last.


Especially the use of music in the REALLY early episodes of Law & Order, yeah.

Ditto on the whole missing Briscoe deal. Jerry Orbach was an irreplaceable talent.


FeedTheCollapse: FirstNationalBastard: Actually, no. Remember, Universal owns Siffy. The Universal vault was wide open to MST3K. Hell, that's why Season 8 was so damn difficult to bring to DVD until Shout did some smooth negotiating just recently... Siffy pretty much forced MST3K to use movies from the Universal vault for the majority of season 8. So securing rights to the vast myriad of Universal films was no problem at all for first run broadcast.

well, but that was just season 8. I'm sure there's other instances elsewhere of the same idea, but I was pretty sure it was a common problem for them to secure the rights for reairings and whatnot.


Hell, Gorgo aired one day and one day only.
 
2012-12-30 05:14:54 PM
images.zap2it.com
 
2012-12-30 05:20:23 PM
Didn't even bother past number 1. Sports Night was awful. It was everything that Sorkin sucked at. Which was proven again on Studio 60.
 
2012-12-30 05:22:36 PM
The best part about Leverage was the scattered pop culture references throughout it.

You had to be sharp to pick a lot of 'em up, but they ranged from Community to Doctor Who to... pretty much anything you can think of.
 
2012-12-30 05:22:53 PM
I miss Dollhouse. :(

Wouldn't consider myself a Whedonite... never really into anything he did. Except for Dollhouse. That I got pulled into immediately for some reason.
 
2012-12-30 05:29:01 PM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: The best part about Leverage was the scattered pop culture references throughout it.

You had to be sharp to pick a lot of 'em up, but they ranged from Community to Doctor Who to... pretty much anything you can think of.


YES!

I loved the episode where Hardison's in danger in a hospital and he pages for "Dr. Ralph O'Khan" (Wrath of Khan) to let Eliot know he needs help.

As a guy who loves pop culture-based humor, I ate that stuff up with a spoon and fork, man.
 
2012-12-30 05:30:42 PM

ruetheday69: I really liked Dresden Files. Deserved more of a run. Along with a bunch of others mentioned so far, Brimstone, Firefly.
I have not seen any of the shows mentioned in the slideshow besides L&O.


Did you even read the books?
 
2012-12-30 05:32:56 PM

FirstNationalBastard: First off, WHAR Titus, Andy Richter Controls The Universe, and The Tick?, WHAR?

Second, I agree that Law and Order was canceled too soon. Ratings were still decent, it was almost a completely new cast, and they had revitalized the old show. And what did they cancel it for? Nothing. Until this past season, every drama they had created between canceling L&O and now was canceled within a season, while L&O would have kept going if NBC had gotten their heads out their asses and quit farking with schedules.

Oh, wait, NBC without their heads up their asses... sounds like the premise to their next failed sci-fi/fantasy show.


Law and Order was getting increasingly ridiculous and the last season was over the top.
 
2012-12-30 05:33:43 PM

gingerjet: Didn't even bother past number 1. Sports Night was awful. It was everything that Sorkin sucked at. Which was proven again on Studio 60.


I couldn't get past the laugh track
 
2012-12-30 05:36:17 PM

cmunic8r99: eddievercetti: Yes he's good on Homeland but...FARK JAY LENO!

[collider.com image 300x400]

It's always sad when they cancel a scheduled viewing of Sarah Shahi.


Well, she sure didn't help matters by getting knocked up and forcing them to postpone/change the main arc. That show could have been wrapped up much better if they had just replaced Shahi instead of filming a bunch of waist up cameos.
 
2012-12-30 05:37:02 PM

moothemagiccow: gingerjet: Didn't even bother past number 1. Sports Night was awful. It was everything that Sorkin sucked at. Which was proven again on Studio 60.

I couldn't get past the laugh track


Oh yeah, THATS the other thing I forgot drove me up the wall about that show. If there was ever a show made that didn't need a laugh track, it was sports night.
 
2012-12-30 05:38:40 PM
Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

tvoseries.com
 
2012-12-30 05:40:40 PM

Into the blue again: I'm still pissed they canceled lost after 5 seasons


/so leverage was a good show?


iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg
 
2012-12-30 05:42:13 PM

cmunic8r99: eddievercetti: Yes he's good on Homeland but...FARK JAY LENO!

[collider.com image 300x400]

It's always sad when they cancel a scheduled viewing of Sarah Shahi.


Especially when she ends up on a romcom like Fairly Legal.
 
2012-12-30 05:43:59 PM
FarScape
Space: Above and Beyond
Rome
The Event
Deadwood
Journeyman
Nowhere Man
House of Buggin'
Awake
Caprica
*And the fact we never got to see Day One
/Firefly gets automatic add to any such list.
 
2012-12-30 05:44:01 PM
www.experienciapersonal.es
 
2012-12-30 05:44:41 PM
Keen Eddie.

i984.photobucket.com


Moneypenny. That is all.
 
2012-12-30 05:45:36 PM
Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip.

/That is all.
 
2012-12-30 05:46:22 PM

lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]


I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.
 
2012-12-30 05:46:29 PM
Dammit man! How could I forget The Unit and Enterprise?!
 
2012-12-30 05:56:33 PM

GAT_00: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

Ugh, only five posts before one of you people.

What this list is actually missing is Better Off Ted.


Came here to nominate both of these over Law & Order.

Seriously, Law & Order??
 
2012-12-30 06:00:01 PM
Also can't believe this hasn't been posted

www.dvd-covers.org
 
2012-12-30 06:00:14 PM

Adam West for President: lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]

I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.


I`m beginning to suspect FOX is contractually obliged to cancel any shows I might like in the network.

/"How are you, Miss Moneypenny?"
//"Completely...shaved"
 
2012-12-30 06:01:53 PM

HempHead: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Even though it didn't make the record-setting number of episodes that it hoped to, I question the placement of Law & Order in this article.

Not surprised to see Leverage here, as I loved the hell out of that show.

It didn't get a whole lot of attention, but if I were writing an article of this nature, I'd include BBC's Survivors (not to be confused with CBS's reality series Survivor). It was a virus apocalypse show about a ragtag group of survivors in the UK. It had great characters, an interesting premise, and an excellent execution, but they axed it after 12 episodes spread over two seasons (and on a frustratingly inconclusive cliffhanger ending, of all things).

If you liked Leverage, check out the British series "Hustle" it was based on. And "the Real Hustle" where con men show you how to be a grifter.



If you said that to John Rogers, the show runner for Leverage, he would biatch slap you. It wasn't based on Hustle. Though, interestingly enough, apparently Adrian Lester was in LA when they were casting for Leverage and spoke with the producers about auditioning for Nate.
 
2012-12-30 06:05:24 PM
Rubicon was Homeland before Homeland was Homeland. Also, while the plot was equally fantastical, the characters were more believable on an action-by-action basis. (Disclaimer: Haven't watched second season of Homeland yet).

And I can't believe no one has mentioned Party Down yet. So many great actors, so much great writing.
"I have a very prestigious blog."

Also miss:
Firefly (always)
Terriers
Freaks and Geeks
Veronica Mars (although with 3 seasons, it's not that big a deal. And the season 4 FBI academy concept pilot they put together was nifty, but didn't feel the same without the side-characters)

/still need to watch Carnivale and Rome
 
2012-12-30 06:06:01 PM

JolobinSmokin: Also can't believe this hasn't been posted

[www.dvd-covers.org image 850x571]


Now that was a good stab at doing the Dresden Universe. Given that it was a pretty cheaply run show on syfy, it would have been interesting to see where it went. I think if someone really wanted to do the material justice it would have to be an animated series. But that wouldn't last either. Networks still think of it as a children's medium.
 
2012-12-30 06:09:07 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: And I can't believe no one has mentioned Party Down yet. So many great actors, so much great writing.


I somehow forgot this. Hell, I had no idea Starz even bothered to air anything decent until I saw Party Down.

Seth'n'Spectrum: Rubicon was Homeland before Homeland was Homeland. Also, while the plot was equally fantastical, the characters were more believable on an action-by-action basis. (Disclaimer: Haven't watched second season of Homeland yet).


I haven't seen Rubicon, but the biggest problem I had with the second season of Homeland is that no one's actions were really believable and seemed to be there mostly to move the plot along.
 
2012-12-30 06:10:09 PM

RosevilleDan: [images.zap2it.com image 850x637]


Don't even get me going on Deadwood.  farking cocksuckers promised us two movies to wrap up the series and never farking delivered.
 
2012-12-30 06:11:34 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Oh, come on... It was John Ritter, and John Ritter rocked. How did this not deserve a long life, and stupid Olson Twins Uncle Joey Show lasted forever?
 
2012-12-30 06:12:38 PM

IntertubeUser: FX's cancellation of The Riches is enough to send me into a white-hot ball of seething fury. They dropped the show right in the middle of a cliffhanger...ugh.


Still pissed they cancelled Lucky also
 
2012-12-30 06:15:34 PM
Life check
The finder check
Missing
Raines
Jouneyman
The Middleman
that show on discovery where they pick 12 or so people to live as if there was an breakdown of society
 
2012-12-30 06:17:16 PM

shpritz: cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard

Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.


Same with Burn Notice. Great concept, ran out of plot quite quickly.

/Castle is in dangerous territory at this point.
//so is Glee
 
2012-12-30 06:19:30 PM

FirstNationalBastard: AMonkey'sUncle: Yeah, well, some bigshot's wife at CBS decided nobody wanted to see country bumpkins on their TV thingy, so they cancelled the Beverly Hillbillies.

/Sob!

You're getting your stories mixed.

IIRC, Gunsmoke was canceled in 1967, until the head of CBS found out and un-canceled his wife's favorite show. So, they canceled Gilligan's Island instead to make room for Gunsmoke.

The Rural Purge which hit Hee Haw, Mayberry RFD, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, and Petticoat Junction was because CBS Executives wanted a younger, more urban demographic than their country shows (which were still getting perfectly good ratings, BTW) could bring them.


OK, good enough.
 
2012-12-30 06:19:32 PM

LonMead: I know it was just supposed to be a summer replacement series, but I remember some being upset when this ended:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

Predated Robin Hood: Men in Tights by two decades and was (in my opinion) much, much funnier (I've still got my VHS copy around here somewhere).

"Once upon a time when things were rotten
Not just food, but also kings were rotten
Everybody kicked the peasants
Things were bad and that aint' good
Then came Robin Hood

Soon a band of merry men begotten
They were out to see the plains bring cotton
Helping victims was their business
Boy oh boy was business good
Good for Robin Hood

They laughed, they loved
They fought, they drank
They jumped a lot of fences
They robbed the rich
Gave to the poor
Except what they kept for expenses

So when other legends are forgotten
We'll remember back when things were rotten
Yay for Robin Hood

They laughed, they loved
They fought, they drank
They jumped a lot of fences
They robbed the rich
Gave to the poor
Except what they kept for expenses

So when other legends are forgotten
We'll remember back when things were rotten
Yay for Robin Hood"


OMG I remember this show...it was hysterical! Of course I was pretty young when it was out.
 
2012-12-30 06:20:52 PM
Space: Above and Beyond.

16 year old me is still angry about that. Ending on a cliffhanger too.
 
2012-12-30 06:22:58 PM
Someone's at the door... Someone's at the door... Someone's at the door...
 
2012-12-30 06:28:00 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum:
Same with Burn Notice. Great concept, ran out of plot quite quickly.


Agreed. Once it stopped focusing on the client of the week and started being all about Michael's long battle against various shadowy spy agencies I stopped caring. The serial content was never really good, the episodic content is what made the show.
 
2012-12-30 06:35:10 PM

Adam West for President: lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]

I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.


Make that 4 people who watched it - add me and my sister. We loved it!
 
2012-12-30 06:36:16 PM

NEPAman: FarScape
Space: Above and Beyond
Rome
The Event
Deadwood
Journeyman
Nowhere Man
House of Buggin'
Awake
Caprica
*And the fact we never got to see Day One
/Firefly gets automatic add to any such list.


Space: Above and Beyond!! Great show!!
 
2012-12-30 06:40:19 PM

shpritz: Agreed. Once it stopped focusing on the client of the week and started being all about Michael's long battle against various shadowy spy agencies I stopped caring. The serial content was never really good, the episodic content is what made the show.


Huh, I feel precisely the opposite about the episodic and serialized content. I feel like the serialized stuff is usually far more "grabbing", but they've taken peeling the onion layers to a ridiculous new extreme.

/as with most cool concept shows, probably would have done better as an eight episode miniseries
 
2012-12-30 06:42:59 PM

eaglepuss: Adam West for President: lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]

I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.

Make that 4 people who watched it - add me and my sister. We loved it!


Those numbers would have been good enough for the CW.
 
2012-12-30 06:44:04 PM

lasercannon: OtherLittleGuy: Human Target and The Finder (RIP Michael Clarke Duncan).

For the latter, I want a Bones crossover wrapup episode where Booth punches the Gypsy Leader in the face. Repeatedly.

I wrote on imdb that they really need to do an episode of Bones where Walter, Booth and the gang team up to track down Willa so Walter can take her to Leo's funeral. Then later she learns that Leo left the bar to her. With the provision that Walter somewhat runs it for her until she turns 21. It would wrap up the storyline a bit for any fans of The Finder.

I could see Booth and Walter beating the hell out of Eric Roberts to protect Willa.


There isn't a AW HELLS YEAH loud enough for concurrance.
 
2012-12-30 06:47:46 PM
Back when we were a Neilsen house, we had "viewing parties" for The Tick and Lone Gunman. It didn't help, I had a sad.

We were like Neilsen poison, anything we watched got the worst possible bag over the head treatment.
 
2012-12-30 06:51:59 PM

Dilvias: Someone's at the door... Someone's at the door... Someone's at the door...


Shait, MrsOLG and I still quip that at a Sarah Paulson sighting.
 
2012-12-30 07:00:40 PM
Better top 10 list

Firefly
Better Off Ted
Deadwood
Terriers
The Good Guys
Dollhouse
Stargate Universe
Krod Mandoon and the Flaming Sword of Fire
The Unusuals
Jericho
 
2012-12-30 07:06:01 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: shpritz: cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard

Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.

Same with Burn Notice. Great concept, ran out of plot quite quickly.

/Castle is in dangerous territory at this point.
//so is Glee


Burn Notice is so far out of ideas that they burned Michael AGAIN.

And Reboot did NOT get an ending. It ended with Megabyte coming back for one final showdown that apparently never got animated.
 
2012-12-30 07:13:36 PM

GAT_00: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

Ugh, only five posts before one of you people.

What this list is actually missing is Better Off Ted.


Amen.

I loved that show. It was the last show I ever watched on tv and waited for new episodes.
 
2012-12-30 07:13:58 PM
210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?
 
2012-12-30 07:18:58 PM
The Good Guys.

That actor has been awesome since his hunger for triscuits.
 
2012-12-30 07:20:32 PM

MisatoNERV: Space: Above and Beyond.

16 year old me is still angry about that. Ending on a cliffhanger too.


Cliffhanger? I don't remember a Cliffhanger. The suits told the producers the show was being cancelled so they quickly rewrote the last couple of episodes and turned it into a bloodbath where I believe all Dalhouse was killed.

It always seemed like a fitting 'fark you, we're going out on our own terms' to the suits to me.
 
2012-12-30 07:25:36 PM

cmunic8r99: 210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?


It went without saying.

I don't walk around saying hitler was bad or your mom is loose. These are known things.
 
2012-12-30 07:28:12 PM
I liked The Middleman and The Unusuals and I miss both of them greatly.
The Unusuals was just hilarious and dirty in a perfectly wonderful way.
 
2012-12-30 07:36:40 PM

Benalto: My vote is for The Good Guys. Absolutely hilarious. Don't know why it doesn't end up on lists like this. Dan Stark 4ever!


Forgot about that one. Good call. That show was so over the top it circled right back around to awesome.
 
2012-12-30 07:36:56 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: MisatoNERV: Space: Above and Beyond.

16 year old me is still angry about that. Ending on a cliffhanger too.

Cliffhanger? I don't remember a Cliffhanger. The suits told the producers the show was being cancelled so they quickly rewrote the last couple of episodes and turned it into a bloodbath where I believe all Dalhouse was killed.

It always seemed like a fitting 'fark you, we're going out on our own terms' to the suits to me.


It's been a long time, but I think Wang died, Vansen and Damphousse, who was seriously injured or dead, were captured or about to be, and McQueen had his leg blown off. Only West and Hawkes made back to the carrier. I seem to recall they had some season 2 plans, just in case, dealing with McQueen's rehab and the Wild Cards new female CO.
 
2012-12-30 07:41:12 PM

cmunic8r99: 210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?


It's coming back/uncancelled, I believe.
 
2012-12-30 07:41:13 PM
My "pissed they got cancelled" Top Ten list:

1. The 4400
2. V
3. No Ordinary Family
4. Kyle XY
5. Stroker & Hoop
6. Tower Prep
7. Code Monkeys
8. Megas XLR
9. Batman Beyond
10. CSI: Miami
 
2012-12-30 07:45:43 PM
I know they were trolling by excluding Arrested Development, and I love it.

That show was cancelled for a reason. I love everyone involved, but the show wasn't as great as it's preachers want you to believe.
 
2012-12-30 07:50:41 PM
Police Squad!
 
2012-12-30 07:52:09 PM
 
2012-12-30 07:52:32 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Human Target and The Finder (RIP Michael Clarke Duncan).

For the latter, I want a Bones crossover wrapup episode where Booth punches the Gypsy Leader in the face. Repeatedly.


Damn. I forgot about Human Target. Make that #11 on my list then.
 
2012-12-30 07:55:48 PM

namatad: eaglepuss: Dresden Files

started "meh" and was starting to get better
the books, ESP the later books, are among my favorite books of all time.
Changes, Ghost Story and Cold Days blew me away.
The Alera Codex is one of my all time favorite fantasy series.
I would love to see HBO-like treatment of the series.
The novels could be combined into longer story arcs and split where needed.
Short episodes only go so far.
Alas .... because of the stupid SF channel version we will probably never see anything done with this.


I'm a huge fan of the novels, and never loved The Dresden Files series, even though I watched them all. I'm not sure why. The source material is excellent. I thought the casting was good to great, and even the changes they made were meh (hockey stick/drumstick) or a great improvement (Bob the Skull). I think it might have been the direction or editing. I'm curious to get another fan's take on where it failed and where it succeeded.

/Also enjoyed the Codex Alera
//Dead Beat needs to be a big-budget summer blockbuster. Sue would blow everyone away and guarantee a sequel.
 
2012-12-30 07:59:26 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

/And Duckman and Sliders both have unresolved cliffhangers because of writers saying "Fark You" to USA/Siffy.


FeedTheCollapse: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: KellyKellyKelly: No MST3K? Fark this list in the ear.

Screwed over by not one, but TWO networks, no less.

The damn station manager transitions made that possible at both Comedy Central and Sci-Fi Channel. The show ended up in the hands of two dumb farks who didn't know/care what to do with it.

you know, as much as I love MST3k, I can see it being a headache of a show to deal with in terms of securing rights/royalties...

Actually, no. Remember, Universal owns Siffy. The Universal vault was wide open to MST3K. Hell, that's why Season 8 was so damn difficult to bring to DVD until Shout did some smooth negotiating just recently... Siffy pretty much forced MST3K to use movies from the Universal vault for the majority of season 8. So securing rights to the vast myriad of Universal films was no problem at all for first run broadcast.


Dammit, dammit, dammit! I forgot about Duckman and Sliders. Looks like my Top Ten list is going to be a Top Twenty at this rate.

I consider the cancellation of Sliders as a mercy killing. The last season had none of the original cast except Rembrandt, and it completely abandoned the awesome "what if?" premise that the show was built on.
 
2012-12-30 08:06:40 PM

Jarhead_h: Seth'n'Spectrum: shpritz: cman: No "Chuck"? No "Kings"? No "Lone Gunmen"?

This list fails hard

Chuck was cancelled three seasons too late.

Same with Burn Notice. Great concept, ran out of plot quite quickly.

/Castle is in dangerous territory at this point.
//so is Glee

Burn Notice is so far out of ideas that they burned Michael AGAIN.

And Reboot did NOT get an ending. It ended with Megabyte coming back for one final showdown that apparently never got animated.


Mike wasn't burned again. He was on the run because he shot and killed his CIA boss. IIRC, everyone involved in his burning are either dead, in jail, or off the grid.
 
2012-12-30 08:07:46 PM

havocmike: I know they were trolling by excluding Arrested Development, and I love it.

That show was cancelled for a reason. I love everyone involved, but the show wasn't as great as it's preachers want you to believe.


It's not on the list because a new season is coming on Netflix in May 2013.
 
2012-12-30 08:13:37 PM
Pushing Daisies farking writers strike... sigh.. oh and you bet your butt Firefly.
 
2012-12-30 08:16:29 PM

EddieFC: PIP_the_TROLL: MisatoNERV: Space: Above and Beyond.

16 year old me is still angry about that. Ending on a cliffhanger too.

Cliffhanger? I don't remember a Cliffhanger. The suits told the producers the show was being cancelled so they quickly rewrote the last couple of episodes and turned it into a bloodbath where I believe all Dalhouse was killed.

It always seemed like a fitting 'fark you, we're going out on our own terms' to the suits to me.

It's been a long time, but I think Wang died, Vansen and Damphousse, who was seriously injured or dead, were captured or about to be, and McQueen had his leg blown off. Only West and Hawkes made back to the carrier. I seem to recall they had some season 2 plans, just in case, dealing with McQueen's rehab and the Wild Cards new female CO.


Been a long time too. I remember feeling like it could have continued and was really disappointed when I found out it wasn't coming back.

I think the cliffhanger feel was the possibly dead/MIA characters.
 
2012-12-30 08:19:42 PM
With luck and some help from Divine Providence, the show "Archer" will be on this list next year.
 
2012-12-30 08:20:47 PM
Human Target - Great series that should have lasted longer than two seasons. I didn't even mind the season two finale considering how Ilsa had changed (not just physically - she seemed very orange in the early episodes), especially with her almost getting killed. Guerrero was awesome and Ames was a total hottie. Chi McBride as Winston was a good voice of reason.

Enterprise - I enjoyed it and it doesn't get the love it should. I didn't mind Bakula as the Captain. T'Pol was yummy, as was Linda Park as Sato.

The 4400 - Good series and interesting to see how people would change.
 
2012-12-30 08:21:34 PM

tillerman35: With luck and some help from Divine Providence, the show "Archer" will be on this list next year.

Arrow. I meant Arrow. (That's how bad it is- I can't even bring myself to name it in a post).
 
2012-12-30 08:31:43 PM

tillerman35: tillerman35: With luck and some help from Divine Providence, the show "Archer" will be on this list next year.
Arrow. I meant Arrow. (That's how bad it is- I can't even bring myself to name it in a post).


That's how to troll, folks.

Good fishing
 
2012-12-30 08:33:27 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Knight of the Woeful Countenance: The best part about Leverage was the scattered pop culture references throughout it.

You had to be sharp to pick a lot of 'em up, but they ranged from Community to Doctor Who to... pretty much anything you can think of.

YES!

I loved the episode where Hardison's in danger in a hospital and he pages for "Dr. Ralph O'Khan" (Wrath of Khan) to let Eliot know he needs help.

As a guy who loves pop culture-based humor, I ate that stuff up with a spoon and fork, man.


I think my absolute favorite was in I think the season four's season finale where they managed to both reference Doctor Who and Inspector Spacetime at the same time. I'd always enjoyed the show before, but that brought it to a whole other level for me after that.
 
2012-12-30 08:35:01 PM

tillerman35: tillerman35: With luck and some help from Divine Providence, the show "Archer" will be on this list next year.
Arrow. I meant Arrow. (That's how bad it is- I can't even bring myself to name it in a post).


Good thing you caught that. We'd have had to lock you in a room with a rabid ocelot.
 
2012-12-30 08:42:17 PM
Third Watch.
 
2012-12-30 09:04:12 PM

MrsGsboy: None of you will probably remember the show. But I really miss "I'm With Her." We got nine seasons of "According to Jim", but only 22 of this show. No wonder Network Television is in the shape it's in.


According to Jim is one of the least funny sitcoms I've ever seen and it went on for years and years. I used to watch it (in reruns) sometimes because it was sandwiched in between a couple of shows I enjoyed. Maybe one genuine laugh per episode. Jim Belushi should get down on his knees every day and thank FSM he was born the brother of John Belushi. Without John, he would NEVER have had a career in show biz in ANY capacity.
 
2012-12-30 09:15:16 PM

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Mike Chewbacca: Freaks and Geeks

This. It had a lot of potential that wasn't fully realized.


I think the main thing that Freaks and Geeks had going for it is that they had assembled that amazing cast. Boy, did Apatow know how to pick em. The writing, acting, and the show itself was really good, but they had frickin James Franco, Seth Rogen, Jason Segel, Busy Phillips, Linda Cardellini, John Francis Daley, etc.

These guys are making millions in Hollywood now and those dumbasses cancelled their show.
 
2012-12-30 09:16:59 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Flint Ironstag: Fans of Gina Bellman from Leverage should watch Coupling. She's a hoot in that and it's a great show.

Duly and truly noted and quoted - thanks for the head's up!


FARKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Gina was in Leverage??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

She was also in Jekyll ... quite good
 
2012-12-30 09:18:28 PM

Trollin4Colon: I heard SO many good things about Sports Night and I think I made it to the last 2 episodes of season 1 but just couldn't bring myself to care. Maybe if they didn't spend HALF the episode EVERY episode recapping what happened the week before I might have made it through but good lord.

Actually, thats just part of it. I think by halfway through season 1 I started to visibly hate ever character on that show. Im pretty sure its the writing more than anything thou.


season 2 picked up and season 3 was quite good
and is your SKIP button broken??
 
2012-12-30 09:22:15 PM

Doom On You: List absolutely fails without Carnivale, Dead Like Me and SGU.

I am still beyond bitter about Carnivale, in particular.


FARKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
please dont remind me about the first two???
carnivale was the greatest series that no one watched. they should bring it back, it would do GREAT these days!!
Dead Like Me? best thing ever
I heard that they were going to do a DLM movie.
No, that thing they made wasnt DLM and whatever you do, DO NOT WATCH the movie they made.
TRUST ME
But if you dont want to trust me, I will sell you my copy for CHEAP.
 
2012-12-30 09:22:33 PM
Why don't they bring that Matlock fellow? He seems nice.
 
2012-12-30 09:23:07 PM
blogs.amctv.com

Also, Brotherhood was an amazing show - as good as, if not better than, the Sopranos - but Showtime never gave it the love (and promotion) it deserved. Rather, it focused on lesser shows like Dexter, Weeds and Californication. Damn ratings.

Someone upthread also mentioned WKRP, which was cancelled while it had cracked the top ten. Stupid.
 
2012-12-30 09:24:14 PM

RckPngn: I miss detective Briscoe. Law and order did get odd after he died and yes did revive itself with Jeremy Sisto. I record all the reruns, it is amazing watching it change from its first episode to the last.


The cops stopping to use "PAYPHONES" in the first couple seasons was amazing.
Hell, watching the computers and phones change over the decades was fun.
 
2012-12-30 09:26:38 PM

Keywork99: I miss Dollhouse. :(

Wouldn't consider myself a Whedonite... never really into anything he did. Except for Dollhouse. That I got pulled into immediately for some reason.


HAWT ASIAN CHICK
the premise that you could hire people as sex slaves

WHAT was there not to like about Dollhouse? other than it killed TSCC.
It really picked up season 2 ... so much potential.
 
2012-12-30 09:41:00 PM

This Face Left Blank: I'm a huge fan of the novels, and never loved The Dresden Files series, even though I watched them all. I'm not sure why. The source material is excellent. I thought the casting was good to great, and even the changes they made were meh (hockey stick/drumstick) or a great improvement (Bob the Skull).


They are my favorite books.
The series suffered from a couple of obvious flaws, esp not being given enough time to develop and enough advertising. The series probably would have been a MUCH bigger hit if it came out today, the dresden books are HUGE sellers these days.

The hockey stick and drumstick were "perfect."
How would you hide a wizard's staff in plain sight? Hockey stick worked fine.
How would you hide a wand (blasting rod) in plain sight? Drum stick worked fine.

the problem is that the books have become one 30 volume story arc and episodic morons at syfy have no clue how to do that.

"But how will new people watch the show??"
Well dumbasses, put them online, or cheap VOD, or cheap DL, or reruns ... How hard is that? You already dont have enough things to put on the air in the first place!!

Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??

Pick up Summer Knight or Dead Beat if you have never read the series. DO NOT START with the first book. It was a book written while the author was in college and SUCKS. Read one of these two first.
If you like them enough, go back to the beginning. Seriously, trust me on this, you might miss out on a great series if you start with the first book and wont even know what you are missing out on.
 
2012-12-30 10:05:47 PM

cmunic8r99: 210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?


go to reddit
 
2012-12-30 10:12:05 PM

Soulcatcher: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Mike Chewbacca: Freaks and Geeks

This. It had a lot of potential that wasn't fully realized.

I think the main thing that Freaks and Geeks had going for it is that they had assembled that amazing cast. Boy, did Apatow know how to pick em. The writing, acting, and the show itself was really good, but they had frickin James Franco, Seth Rogen, Jason Segel, Busy Phillips, Linda Cardellini, John Francis Daley, etc.

These guys are making millions in Hollywood now and those dumbasses cancelled their show.


That's why I'm fine with Freaks & Geeks being cancelled. Paul Feig's a successful director, Apatow is doing way better than he deserves and a few of those kids got ridiculously famous.
 
2012-12-30 10:14:43 PM
America needs the wisdom of "Herman's Head" now, more than ever.
 
2012-12-30 10:19:34 PM

namatad: FARKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Gina was in Leverage??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


YES, and she was one of the best things about it!


namatad: She was also in Jekyll ... quite good


Good to know, actually!


PopFreshenmeyer: America needs the wisdom of "Herman's Head" now, more than ever.


*nods proudly*

You need to listen to this person, Fark.
 
2012-12-30 10:23:16 PM
Profit. These days it would have fit right in but in 1996 Fox was awfully squeamish about airing a show where the main character killed his dad and his stepmother was blackmailing him for sex.

On the British side of things I REALLY miss Hex.
 
2012-12-30 10:29:40 PM

Smackledorfer: cmunic8r99: 210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?

It went without saying.

I don't walk around saying hitler was bad or your mom is loose. These are known things.


I'm told her rejuvenation worked well.

moothemagiccow: cmunic8r99: 210 comments, and no Arrested Development?

Who are you, and what have you done to my Fark?

go to reddit


Ain't gonna happen.
 
2012-12-30 10:47:43 PM

namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??


Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.
 
2012-12-30 10:49:22 PM

namatad:
I heard that they were going to do a DLM movie.
No, that thing they made wasnt DLM and whatever you do, DO NOT WATCH the movie they made.
TRUST ME
But if you dont want to trust me, I will sell you my copy for CHEAP.



Sadly, I was too over-excited about the whole idea of a DLM movie that I watched it shortly after it came out. That movie was the worst thing they could have possibly done for DLM. :/
 
2012-12-30 10:53:27 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: CSI: Miami


Seriously? It was the worst of the three.
 
2012-12-30 11:00:16 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: namatad: She was also in Jekyll ... quite good

Good to know, actually!




Steven Moffat
This man is the glue.
He wrote Coupling (bbc version not the american abortion) and Jekyll, which both were amazing and had Gina Bellman.

But he also wrote most of the good/great dr who episodes and sherlock?

7 of the top 10 episodes
 
2012-12-30 11:05:31 PM
i39.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-30 11:06:31 PM

FormlessOne: namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??

Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.


man o man o man
the whole book blew me away
the wall
with the gate
where we learn why he is called The Gatekeeper
farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

people kept calling Harry, Starborn? ok WHAT does THAT MEAN????
the whole finale with Mab. The dialog was sublime at times.

"I was mortal once, you know," she said, very quietly.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I havent done this in a long time, but I think I might have to reread that book SOON.
 
2012-12-30 11:19:48 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Firefly? Life? The Job? Chappelle? Carnivàle?
 
2012-12-30 11:21:09 PM
SportsNight didn't have a laugh track after season one. I think it was a network thing in the first place, and Sorkin won that battle, and lost the war. I liked 60 Sunset Strip, but I think it was too syrupy. It didn't help in the promo department starting at the same time as 30 Rock.

West Wing ended in time. Chuck lasted a tad too long. I miss The Unusuals.

Never got into Sifi stuff.
 
2012-12-30 11:22:54 PM

Adam West for President: lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]

I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.


No, I watched it too. I liked that show.
 
2012-12-30 11:22:55 PM

fusillade762: tillerman35: tillerman35: With luck and some help from Divine Providence, the show "Archer" will be on this list next year.
Arrow. I meant Arrow. (That's how bad it is- I can't even bring myself to name it in a post).

Good thing you caught that. We'd have had to lock you in a room with a rabid ocelot.


It's like Meowschwitz in there.
 
2012-12-30 11:53:36 PM

titwrench: SuperSeriousMan: I'm still annoyed about Terriers. I really want to know which way the turned at the end of the final episode.

Stu Segal studios is next door to my office. They had a "yard sale" a few months ago and sold all of the stuff from Terriers. I liked that show but it's gone.


Sonofabiatch. I did not know of this. Was the Ford Courier there? Now I've got to hit up google.
 
2012-12-30 11:55:12 PM
latimesblogs.latimes.com

And somewhere in Ocean Beach, these guys are wondering why they aren't on the list.

Hashtag Terriers
 
2012-12-31 12:01:26 AM
And another thing.......so what if they sold off Terriers shiat. The wardrobe budget was about 20 bucks an episode. Donal Logue wore flannels & Michael Raymond James wore a purple hoodie. And Ocean Beach is still there.
 
2012-12-31 12:15:15 AM

Trafficguy2000: Police Squad!


THANK YOU.
 
2012-12-31 01:11:15 AM
FuryOfFirestorm:

Dammit, dammit, dammit! I forgot about Duckman and Sliders. Looks like my Top Ten list is going to be a Top Twenty at this rate.

I consider the cancellation of Sliders as a mercy killing. The last season had none of the original cast except Rembrandt, and it completely abandoned the awesome "what if?" premise that the show was built on.


While Sliders was, indeed, a mercy killing after Fox and Siffy ruined the premise of the show, the fact remains that it was still the #2 rated show on the network, oftentimes equal to or just a tenth of a point behind #1 show Farscape. Sliders didn't have to die, but stupid Siffy decided to kill it because they had to fund more original movies and shows that didn't last a season.
 
2012-12-31 01:13:34 AM

namatad: FormlessOne: namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??

Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.

man o man o man
the whole book blew me away
the wall
with the gate
where we learn why he is called The Gatekeeper
farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

people kept calling Harry, Starborn? ok WHAT does THAT MEAN????
the whole finale with Mab. The dialog was sublime at times.

"I was mortal once, you know," she said, very quietly.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I havent done this in a long time, but I think I might have to reread that book SOON.


Cold days is the only book of his I haven't read yet. I've read and reread all his stuff, he's amazing...
 
2012-12-31 01:15:30 AM

BalugaJoe: We need a tv show about an all gay law firm.


Fabulous LLC
 
2012-12-31 01:22:57 AM
Alias Smith and Jones.
 
2012-12-31 01:27:52 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-31 01:36:42 AM
Enterprise
Journeyman
Lie to Me
Chicago Code
Earth 2
Dark Skies
Space Above and Beyond
Alcatraz
Last Resort
Young Riders
 
2012-12-31 01:49:05 AM
BJ and the Bear
 
2012-12-31 02:15:19 AM
Action!
 
2012-12-31 02:19:05 AM

Mr_Juche: HempHead: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Even though it didn't make the record-setting number of episodes that it hoped to, I question the placement of Law & Order in this article.

Not surprised to see Leverage here, as I loved the hell out of that show.

It didn't get a whole lot of attention, but if I were writing an article of this nature, I'd include BBC's Survivors (not to be confused with CBS's reality series Survivor). It was a virus apocalypse show about a ragtag group of survivors in the UK. It had great characters, an interesting premise, and an excellent execution, but they axed it after 12 episodes spread over two seasons (and on a frustratingly inconclusive cliffhanger ending, of all things).

If you liked Leverage, check out the British series "Hustle" it was based on. And "the Real Hustle" where con men show you how to be a grifter.


If you said that to John Rogers, the show runner for Leverage, he would biatch slap you. It wasn't based on Hustle. Though, interestingly enough, apparently Adrian Lester was in LA when they were casting for Leverage and spoke with the producers about auditioning for Nate.


It never seemed to me to be based on Hustle, though the shows do share some similarities. I always figured the line from the season 2 ep (the where Sophie "died" and we were introduced to Chaos) about the Leverage team being the meanest/toughest crew "this side of the Atlantic" was a subtle nod to Mickey Bricks and Co. on the other side.

The main distinctions between the two groups are their compositions and philosophies. The Leverage group is Mastermind, Grifter, Hacker, Thief, Hitter, while the crew from Hustle is Grifter (Mastermind) Grifter (Roper) Grifter (Fixer), Grifter, Grifter, and while occasionally they all steal things, they are not thieves.

The Leverage team find clients, and help them retaliate / protect themselves / get their stuff back from the Big Evil Corporation. They help people. And they give the proceeds of their job to the client. The Hustle team consider themselves a check on the system. They do not select targets based on a specific person's specific need, or in response to a specific event (usually) but rather simply target those whose excessive greed and lack of morality makes them a worthwhile target. And they keep the proceeds for themselves.
 
2012-12-31 02:31:47 AM

havocmike: I know they were trolling by excluding Arrested Development, and I love it.

That show was cancelled for a reason. I love everyone involved, but the show wasn't as great as it's preachers want you to believe.


Hell, it's more overrated than the haters think Firefly was.
 
2012-12-31 03:15:21 AM
Arrested Development no longer counts for this list since a new season is in production.
 
2012-12-31 03:16:12 AM
Leverage has had like seven or eight seasons and it only took them two to resolve the series' primary conflict. I'm sorry, dude, but things that have several years of runtime eventually petering out are not upsetting, especially, when they've lasted long enough to do several major arcs.

Also, as amusing as it is to watch what is basically the hardest-core Spycraft LARP in existence, eventually you're going to run out of variations on the theme and turn to cheap melodrama to hold onto long-time viewers, and in the process alienate or drive off potential new viewers, which kills your show pretty fast.

//Just because you like a show doesn't mean it's a tragedy if it ends. For instance, I loved Burn Notice in all its awesome, cheesy Bruce Campbell glory, but I still can't figure out why the hell it kept running after there was no longer, well, a burn notice on the protagonist. I mean, c'mon, premise resolved, let it go, man.

//You're still allowed to be upset if the network contracts, say, a 5-year run, the storylines are adjusted for that, and then they get cut in year 3 or 4. That's bullshiat. It's just the whining over annual renewals of long-running series going through that annoys me.
 
2012-12-31 03:17:44 AM

pladius: Earth 2


Damn right, and I'm not afraid to admit that True Danziger was my first TV crush.

/It's not creepy if she was born a year before me.
//RIP.
 
2012-12-31 03:29:46 AM

Adam West for President: lalolalona: Late to the thread, but can't believe noone has mentioned this little gem:

[tvoseries.com image 400x267]

I guess we were the only two that watched it. That explains it.


nope. I found the entire season on DVD on ebay. Love that show.
 
2012-12-31 03:37:12 AM

Jim_Callahan: //Just because you like a show doesn't mean it's a tragedy if it ends.


Agreed.

Jim_Callahan: For instance, I loved Burn Notice in all its awesome, cheesy Bruce Campbell glory, but I still can't figure out why the hell it kept running after there was no longer, well, a burn notice on the protagonist. I mean, c'mon, premise resolved, let it go, man.


Eh, they still found story to tell through the end of the fifth season. I downloaded the sixth today but haven't watched it yet.

Don't get me wrong, if it ends it ends and I won't get all upset or anything. But I don't see why a successful show should be forced to end the second they wrap up a major story arc either. If that were the rule I'd say the quality of tv would go down rather than up. No one would ever want to end their major story arc and every show would become Lost.
 
2012-12-31 04:15:06 AM
Seems a shame that Leverage is now only getting recognition now it's over - I'd not seen it mentioned on Fark ever until earlier this week and thought I was the only fan. The last season wasn't the best, but I loved the fact they're clearly having fun and trying to slip in as many shout-outs to geek things as possible.

My favorites;

Hardison: "I'm detective Moffat, this is detective Davies" (Bonus points as Stephen Moffat also once persuaded Gina Bellman to take all her clothes off on Coupling)

Elliot's extended Die Hard parody that starts out quite subtle and gets more and more obvious through the episode until: "Yippee ki-yay, motherf-"

Hardison again: "Science: It works!" - Any show that can reference XKCD immediately goes down in my personal favorites column forever
 
2012-12-31 04:21:26 AM

nekom: List fails without John Doe.  Wait, Digger was with the Phoenix group?  I can't wait to see next season, this is getting good!

CANCELLED.  Trolololololo


Glad to see I'm not the only person who enjoyed John Doe. The finale was super disappointing and probably thrown together pretty hastily, but based on what they said they would have done in future episodes, I'm almost kinda glad they ended it that way. They wanted to go in some really weird directions.
 
2012-12-31 05:24:39 AM
No Walking Dead?
 
2012-12-31 06:57:17 AM

Jim_Callahan: Leverage has had like seven or eight seasons and it only took them two to resolve the series' primary conflict. I'm sorry, dude, but things that have several years of runtime eventually petering out are not upsetting, especially, when they've lasted long enough to do several major arcs.

Also, as amusing as it is to watch what is basically the hardest-core Spycraft LARP in existence, eventually you're going to run out of variations on the theme and turn to cheap melodrama to hold onto long-time viewers, and in the process alienate or drive off potential new viewers, which kills your show pretty fast.

//Just because you like a show doesn't mean it's a tragedy if it ends. For instance, I loved Burn Notice in all its awesome, cheesy Bruce Campbell glory, but I still can't figure out why the hell it kept running after there was no longer, well, a burn notice on the protagonist. I mean, c'mon, premise resolved, let it go, man.

//You're still allowed to be upset if the network contracts, say, a 5-year run, the storylines are adjusted for that, and then they get cut in year 3 or 4. That's bullshiat. It's just the whining over annual renewals of long-running series going through that annoys me.


So you know, this final season was the 5th, not the 7th or 8th.

Hustle did run 8 series, but of course they're British so it's 6 or 8 episodes each.
 
2012-12-31 07:29:46 AM
wait people are biatching about a show, Leverage, that was canceled 5 seasons into it? I mean, i guess that sucks, but the outrage over its cancellation doesn't deserve to be on par with Freaks and Geeks or, god help us, Firefly.
 
2012-12-31 07:37:25 AM

FeedTheCollapse: wait people are biatching about a show, Leverage, that was canceled 5 seasons into it? I mean, i guess that sucks, but the outrage over its cancellation doesn't deserve to be on par with Freaks and Geeks or, god help us, Firefly.


Except that those shows were cancelled years ago, whereas Leverage was cancelled, like, last week.

The notice was so late that the series finale had "Season Finale" with the channel logo overlay.

But please feel free to continue your outrage if people are still complaining about the Leverage cancellation a year or two from now.
 
2012-12-31 07:44:55 AM
"My Sister Sam".

Because it wasn't a suit. It was an evil asshole that did it.
 
2012-12-31 07:47:08 AM
I do agree it sucks that Leverage wasn't given a proper send off, but there's no way that a show that went on for 5 years is on the same ground as shows that were canceled within a season and dicked around with during that brief tenure.
 
2012-12-31 08:20:29 AM
I saw nothing on there worth keeping, except Summer Glau's ass.

/have her drunked, and brought to my bunk.
//No, don't worry about hosing her off first. You can do that after, for the next feller.
///this should take about 47 seconds.
 
2012-12-31 08:23:04 AM

I_Love_Cheesecake: [blogs.amctv.com image 280x165]

Also, Brotherhood was an amazing show - as good as, if not better than, the Sopranos - but Showtime never gave it the love (and promotion) it deserved. Rather, it focused on lesser shows like Dexter, Weeds and Californication. Damn ratings.

Someone upthread also mentioned WKRP, which was cancelled while it had cracked the top ten. Stupid.


I liked Rubicon. That little queer was bad-ass.
 
2012-12-31 10:34:05 AM
I did like Persons Unknown that was a fun show.
 
2012-12-31 11:04:10 AM

unyon: Fear_and_Loathing: What no Firefly?

I can't believe it took 7 posts to get to the Firefly nerdrage.



What firefly fans don't seem to understand is that even if the episodes were run in proper order and it had a promotional budget to rival lost, it still probably wouldn't have lasted a whole season. Shows about space do not do well on network TV.
And for all the talk about it being buried on the Friday night death slot is just crap. Friday night is the slot of lowered expectations. If they had put it on say thursday night, it would have gotten even lower ratings (since higher competition) and would have been cancelled sooner.

Deadwood was way more painful since it was actually a good show. Plus there are so many people/reasons to blame for the cancellation of the show.

Also the other really annoying one that still bugs is My Name is Earl. Mostly because it ended on a cliffhanger. Plus even though it didn't have great ratings neither did anything else on NBC and it was basically cancelled because the other shows on NBC (Parks and Rec, 30 Rock, The Office) were owned by NBC/Universal.
 
2012-12-31 11:19:47 AM

Knight of the Woeful Countenance: namatad: FormlessOne: namatad: Still .... Changes was great, Ghost Story knocked me on my ass, and Cold Days? Cold Days blew me away. HOW does an author continue to make each book in the series BETTER??

Just finished Cold Days. "...Infriga! *crinkle* ...Forzare! *smash* ...I'm glad you asked that...." Damn near cracked up at that.

man o man o man
the whole book blew me away
the wall
with the gate
where we learn why he is called The Gatekeeper
farkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

people kept calling Harry, Starborn? ok WHAT does THAT MEAN????
the whole finale with Mab. The dialog was sublime at times.

"I was mortal once, you know," she said, very quietly.

gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I havent done this in a long time, but I think I might have to reread that book SOON.

Cold days is the only book of his I haven't read yet. I've read and reread all his stuff, he's amazing...


Get on that ASAP. Holy farkballs some of the things that happen. o.o Also, it doesn't end on a cliffhanger, which is a nice change of pace from the past couple.

As a longtime fan of the series, I second namatad's earlier statement about the first books, but with some slightly different advice. If you go into them knowing ahead of time that they're not his greatest and that things do VASTLY improve, then they're worth reading just to see how it all started. I also seem to recall that Storm Front was written in a more-or-less "FINE, I'll DO it" mentality for his writing teacher at the time, since he really wanted to focus on fantasy.

Now, my fan's take on the TV series. Confusing casting, particularly with Murphy. I thought Harry was decently cast, Susan completely miscast. It's like the writers confused Murphy with Susan and just ran with it. Overall, I don't think it did the books justice at all.
 
2012-12-31 12:10:50 PM

HempHead: They had a wealth of stories to tell and they went and invented a terrorist attack on Earth and all new alien races that were never mentioned in any of the series.

Crap, pure crap.


Alternate universe

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-31 12:19:59 PM
www.tlchicken.com

and yet The Simpson's goes on
 
2012-12-31 01:23:49 PM
mechgreg:
What firefly fans don't seem to understand is that even if the episodes were run in proper order and it had a promotional budget to rival lost, it still probably wouldn't have lasted a whole season. Shows about space do not do well on network TV.
And for all the talk about it being buried on the Friday night death slot is just crap. Friday night is the slot of lowered expectations. If they had put it on say thursday night, it would have gotten even lower ratings (since higher competition) and would have been cancelled sooner.

Cancelled space cowboy operas that didn't last a season don't ever get feature films made about them either, so there's a lot about Firefly that defies expectations.  Could it have survived if given the right conditions to find an audience?  It was given the worst possible treatment in terms of when and where it aired, episodic order, etc.  No show can survive that, whether it's network scifi or not. It's certainly found an audience now, so clearly its not a problem with the quality of the show.  I agree with you that it may not have survived to see another season had those things changed, but they sure as hell didn't help.  The fact that Fox brass didn't get the show at all didn't help either.

I've watched the run from beginning to end dozens of times.  It's aged well.

/Saving my proper nerdrage for Freaks and Geeks
 
2012-12-31 01:38:35 PM

Serial Killer X: Brimstone is the only one that still pisses me off.

Especially as they took the same basic concept for Reaper which was nowhere near as good and ran for ages.


I felt the same way about Josh 2.0 vs. Chuck, the latter of which came off to me like a lukewarm ripoff. I watched 1.5 episodes of Chuck and lost interest.
 
2012-12-31 01:42:54 PM

gglibertine: Josh 2.0


I think you mean Jake 2.0
 
2012-12-31 01:47:42 PM

HotWingAgenda: And Batman and Superman are absolutely perfect - a cold, calculating mastermind with no social skills, and a stiff, emotionless Nietzschian superman, again with no social skills.


If Batman is drunk on sherry by 3 p.m. every day and Superman is farking the receptionist at the Hall of Justice and rubbing it in Batman's face, you're basically describing my parents.
 
2012-12-31 01:57:43 PM

RosevilleDan: [deadwood.jpg]


If only there were a word to describe the kind of person who would cancel such a magnificent show right in the middle of its plot arc. It would have to strike at the very dignity and decency of the person it was directed against. It would need to be offensive, demeaning, and you'd have to be able to say it any number of ways, as any number of parts of speech. I'm thinking something three syllables long, ten letters. Maybe it would be a variant of a more traditional "four-letter word." You'd want it to be something you could say a hundred times an hour, and never have it lose its force.

/ooh, I've got it!
//"nincompoop"
 
2012-12-31 01:59:25 PM

texdent: gglibertine: Josh 2.0

I think you mean Jake 2.0


Thanks for reminding me of that one. The nerdy girl on that show was freaking smoking hot. She was on BSG as well as one of Baltar's cult ladies. I actually thought it was cool when they tipped their hat to Six Million Dollar Man on the show.
 
2012-12-31 02:18:02 PM
Wonderfalls
 
2012-12-31 02:22:22 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.


If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"
 
2012-12-31 02:51:37 PM

Gone to Plaid: FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"


The account that everyone, on both sides, seems to agree on is that Joss asked for an early commit to another season, rather than leaving it until the last minute as they had done before, so staff could have some certainty rather than take other jobs. The network decided another show had promise and so cancelled Angel. The network later admitted it was a mistake and had they not asked them for a decision at that time it would have been renewed nearer the end of the season. No one mentioned a threat to walk, the show wasn't enough of a hit for anyone to even think that would work.
The ending of the show was written and filmed as a finale, they knew the show was cancelled.
 
2012-12-31 02:56:46 PM
I still miss Due South.
 
2012-12-31 04:25:26 PM

Flint Ironstag: Gone to Plaid: FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"

The account that everyone, on both sides, seems to agree on is that Joss asked for an early commit to another season, rather than leaving it until the last minute as they had done before, so staff could have some certainty rather than take other jobs. The network decided another show had promise and so cancelled Angel. The network later admitted it was a mistake and had they not asked them for a decision at that time it would have been renewed nearer the end of the season. No one mentioned a threat to walk, the show wasn't enough of a hit for anyone to even think that would work.
The ending of the show was written and filmed as a finale, they knew the show was cancelled.


Mmm... so, another in the list of "fark You" final episodes, then.
 
2012-12-31 04:46:37 PM
It doesn't deserve to be in the Top 10 (or maybe even 25... or 50), but I thought Wanted on TNT was really finding its groove before they pulled the plug. Plus I'm a sucker for Lee Tergesen.
 
2012-12-31 05:25:47 PM
iCarly

Damn shame.
 
2012-12-31 05:37:38 PM

Vito Andolini: Wonderfalls


dead like me
wonderfalls
pushing up daisies
3 funs series which died because ...
 
2012-12-31 11:26:40 PM

Galileo's Daughter: I still miss Due South.


Me too. Though I'll never forgive them for having Bennie choose Fake Ray over Real Ray in the end.
 
2012-12-31 11:30:49 PM

Galileo's Daughter: I still miss Due South.


The first two seasons at least
 
2012-12-31 11:56:35 PM
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-01 12:27:53 AM
Strange Luck-D.B. Sweeny's best performance next to Fire in the Sky
 
2013-01-01 02:54:41 AM

Hacker_X: Profit. These days it would have fit right in but in 1996 Fox was awfully squeamish about airing a show where the main character killed his dad and his stepmother was blackmailing him for sex.

On the British side of things I REALLY miss Hex.



How about some love for the Inbetweeners, you Wankers!
 
2013-01-01 10:55:47 AM

Arachnophobe:
Get on that ASAP. Holy farkballs some of the things that happen. o.o Also, it doesn't end on a cliffhanger, which is a nice change of pace from the past couple.


I picked up side jobs the other day and haven't cracked it... I've been rereading some of my favorites after I got through Ghost Story a few weeks ago.


Galileo's Daughter: Due South


Thank you kindly.
 
2013-01-01 12:34:55 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Flint Ironstag: Gone to Plaid: FirstNationalBastard: Mid_mo_mad_man: The ending to Angel was just horrible.

There would have to have been an ending for it to be horrible. Instead, Angel felt like it ended with a cliffhanger episode.

If memory serves, the Season 5 finally was filmed with that cliffhanger ending because they were fully expecting to be renewed for season 6, but of course the show runners decided to negotiate a pay increase with the threat that they would walk if they didn't get one. Network decided to call their bluff and said "OK, enjoy unemployment!"

The account that everyone, on both sides, seems to agree on is that Joss asked for an early commit to another season, rather than leaving it until the last minute as they had done before, so staff could have some certainty rather than take other jobs. The network decided another show had promise and so cancelled Angel. The network later admitted it was a mistake and had they not asked them for a decision at that time it would have been renewed nearer the end of the season. No one mentioned a threat to walk, the show wasn't enough of a hit for anyone to even think that would work.
The ending of the show was written and filmed as a finale, they knew the show was cancelled.

Mmm... so, another in the list of "fark You" final episodes, then.


Honestly, I don't see it like that. I loved the Angel ending. That show was always different from Buffy in that Buffy was about one girl's struggle and her pretty much ongoing desire to be done with it all. She fights not because she wants to, but because she has to, because she was "chosen". So her finale ends with her winning the war for Sunnydale and an army of slayers being born. She's no longer the only Chosen One. She finally gets to relax (unless she chooses to continue fighting).

Angel, on the other hand, was always about how the fight never ends, especially when it comes to Wolfram & Hart. They were explicit about this going back to the season two episode "Reprise." You can't beat evil because evil is borne out of humanity, so there will always be bad guys to fight. And that's how Angel ends. He beats one evil (Wolfram & Hart) only for another, far greater evil to surface. It was a perfectly fitting end given the overall themes of the show. I still don't particularly care for how they handled the Fred/Illyria thing, but the ending itself was a perfect fit for the show.
 
2013-01-01 02:30:39 PM

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Livin


Not sure if somebody got this already, but it was Defying Gravity, and I was pissed when it got dropped. It seemed like the story was going to be very interesting but it never got a chance to play out
 
2013-01-01 08:19:59 PM

iq_in_binary: ruetheday69: I really liked Dresden Files. Deserved more of a run. Along with a bunch of others mentioned so far, Brimstone, Firefly.
I have not seen any of the shows mentioned in the slideshow besides L&O.

Did you even read the books?


Since when is that mandatory?
 
2013-01-01 08:44:00 PM
Jericho
Wonder Falls
Journeyman
Firefly and fark you all.
Sliders
Carnivale
Tru Calling
 
2013-01-02 04:25:34 AM

unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.


X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.

If you want to count all the syndicated shows that didn't have a real home network there are tons that lasted at least three or four seasons. It is mostly stuff on Fox and NBC that gets the axe during or just after the first season. And it isn't just stuff about space, it is almost all sci-fi on those networks. There are certain execs running the show that essentially hate science fiction and kill every genre show that manages to make it on the air. If it is science fiction and on either NBC or Fox you can pretty much rule out the show making it to a third season. It has been that way since at least the early 90s. Quite frankly I'm still confused that X-Files survived nearly as long as it did.
 
2013-01-02 05:13:25 AM

Hacker_X: unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.

X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.


One Star Trek series lasted for 7 seasons on network TV (If you can call UPN a network). TNG and DS9 were produced for first run syndication, and could be bought and aired by any channel that wanted 'em.

Granted, they usually wound up on Fox or UPN channels, but that's because the channels that made up both Fox, UPN, and WB were all former independent stations that joined with the new networks over time.
 
2013-01-02 08:22:49 AM

Hacker_X: unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.

X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.

If you want to count all the syndicated shows that didn't have a real home network there are tons that lasted at least three or four seasons. It is mostly stuff on Fox and NBC that gets the axe during or just after the first season. And it isn't just stuff about space, it is almost all sci-fi on those networks. There are certain execs running the show that essentially hate science fiction and kill every genre show that manages to make it on the air. If it is science fiction and on either NBC or Fox you can pretty much rule out the show making it to a third season. It has been that way since at least the early 90s. Quite frankly I'm still confused that X-Files survived nearly as long as it did.


Other than the original star trek series, weren't the other two that were on Network TV on UPN. That barely qualified as a network. I will give you The X-Files though, and I think part of the reason it did last so long is because at least at the beginning it had the framework of a police procedural.
 
2013-01-02 08:29:04 AM

unyon: mechgreg:
What firefly fans don't seem to understand is that even if the episodes were run in proper order and it had a promotional budget to rival lost, it still probably wouldn't have lasted a whole season. Shows about space do not do well on network TV.
And for all the talk about it being buried on the Friday night death slot is just crap. Friday night is the slot of lowered expectations. If they had put it on say thursday night, it would have gotten even lower ratings (since higher competition) and would have been cancelled sooner.

Cancelled space cowboy operas that didn't last a season don't ever get feature films made about them either, so there's a lot about Firefly that defies expectations.  Could it have survived if given the right conditions to find an audience?  It was given the worst possible treatment in terms of when and where it aired, episodic order, etc.  No show can survive that, whether it's network scifi or not. It's certainly found an audience now, so clearly its not a problem with the quality of the show.  I agree with you that it may not have survived to see another season had those things changed, but they sure as hell didn't help.  The fact that Fox brass didn't get the show at all didn't help either.


As far as the feature film goes, Serenity pretty much tanked at the box office, so I am not sure that is any indication of any kind of following the show had. As far as when the show aired, like I said they should have been happy to be on Friday nights, I mean if it was on any other night it would have had real competition and done even worse in the ratings.

With regards to the Fox brass, I would say they at least got the show enough to actually put it on TV. I mean do you think ABC or CBS would have actually approved a pilot for that show? I bet even now with Whedon's post avengers clout and his relationship with Disney it probably still wouldn't be a guarantee that he could get a show like that on ABC.
 
2013-01-02 09:12:09 AM

Hacker_X: unyon: mechgreg:
Shows about space do not do well on network TV.

X-Files lasted for 10 seasons when it was about aliens (at least a lot of the time). 3 different star trek shows last 7 seasons on network TV with another getting 4 seasons.

If you want to count all the syndicated shows that didn't have a real home network there are tons that lasted at least three or four seasons. It is mostly stuff on Fox and NBC that gets the axe during or just after the first season. And it isn't just stuff about space, it is almost all sci-fi on those networks. There are certain execs running the show that essentially hate science fiction and kill every genre show that manages to make it on the air. If it is science fiction and on either NBC or Fox you can pretty much rule out the show making it to a third season. It has been that way since at least the early 90s. Quite frankly I'm still confused that X-Files survived nearly as long as it did.


This myth that Fox hates genre television needs to die. The reason they get a reputation for killing science fiction is because is because they air science fiction. What other network would have aired Firefly, John Doe, Dollhouse, Terminator, Fringe, Terra Nova, and Alcatraz? The simple fact is that Fox has less primetime real estate than the other networks and they can't nurse shows along as easily. None of those shows were canceled over lower-rated shows. And if Fox hated science fiction show much, Fringe never would have gotten a fifth season.
 
2013-01-02 09:27:11 AM

rugman11: And if Fox hated science fiction show much, Fringe never would have gotten a fifth season.


If Fox hated Sci-fi as much as people think Fringe wouldn't have gotten a first season. And Fringe is a perfect example of this. The show was created by JJ Abrams, the man who created Lost, Alias and was responsible for the Star Trek reboot. And even with the amount of clout, and the track record, he has Fringe still ended up on Fox instead of say ABC. That is pretty good evidence that the other networks don't give a shiat about sci-fi.
 
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