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(Washington Post)   Holy Fiscal Cliffitude, Batman. Lindsey Graham congratulated Obama on Fox News Sunday for getting a deal done. Is this the end of our long national nightmare? Will our taxes go up? What about Moose and Squirrel?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 167
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2012-12-30 03:11:16 PM  

Glancing Blow: A uniform tax cut would be something like no taxes on the first $N dollars of income, or a reduction of N% for all brackets.


You see that's because you understand basic math and the (apparently) subtle difference between reducing the effective tax rate by X vs. reducing tax payments by X. The rest of the country regards your understanding of numbers as a form of wizardry.

The politician that phrased tax reduction in a form that sounded equitable but was actually scaled to wealth is the real (evil) genius. Had he phrased it "taxes will be reduced, but reduced more for people who pay more" which is an equivalent statement to "X% reduction in tax burden" then people would not be insulated from reality by the emotions of word choice.
 
2012-12-30 03:12:30 PM  

Funk Brothers: French 75% income tax struck down by constitutional council (BBC)

I'm using a link from the BBC instead of Fox News.


Look, everyone. This guy is touting French Judicial rulings as something America should be bound by. Isn't that cute? Because we're talking about a 75% tax rate. Right, folks?

Dude, they are not going to suck your dick.
 
2012-12-30 03:13:57 PM  
Please stop responding to the obvious trolls.
 
2012-12-30 03:16:15 PM  

ZAZ: I expect any deal to be worse than the "cliff".


Pretty much this. And a deal pretty likely to happen, because nobody actually gives a fark about the deficit, and won't until interest rates start killing us.

But I expected as much as soon as they created it. Congress doesn't create future deadlines for getting stuff done because they actually intend to go through with it.
 
2012-12-30 03:17:29 PM  

Funk Brothers: Kuroshin: Funk Brothers: Jake Havechek: Funk Brothers: Bontesla: Why would raising taxes on income over 250 be unconstitutional?

It discriminates households depending on their income bracket. It's unfair and in direct violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I hope if the tax rate rises on those making more than $250,000 a year gets taken up on the courts. The justices should be looking at the Constitutional Council of France's ruling recently.

Correct me if I'm wrong, if you're clearing $250,000 per year, every year, you have nothing to biatch about, so fark off.

Sorry, but the Tea Party disagrees even if it benefits them in the way PPACA is trying to do. I'm hoping that Conservatives will take the matter to the courts even if those are not making over $250,000 a year.

So you're in favor of the Teatards wasting even more Federal funds on a wild goose chase that has no merit?

Seriously, that's all it amounts to.  Just wasting tax dollars for the SCOTUS to rule that yes indeed, Congress does have the power to establish taxes as they see fit.

I mean, I know you're trolling, but that's really a bit much.

No Congress is not establishing taxes as they see fit, they are being forced by Obama to raise taxes on a certain income by a certain time frame. It's an abuse of the Executive Branch. Obama is not Congress. Obama is being the bully here.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

OMFG, that is seriously hilarious!!!

Dude, you need to write for Colbert, if you don't already!  That's GOLD!
 
2012-12-30 03:18:54 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I can't believe that just this one time, we can't drop partisan politics and just make a nice deal that will save us from plunging into the abyss. It's bad enough that most of the major companies have fled to other climes to pay their workers shiat wages and no benefits, so work is hard to find , and the jobs you CAN find are crap that don't pay. Now, we are looking at taxing everyone at a higher rate, when the economy is in a steady depression, and unemployment is high. One would like to think that we elected these people to actually, I don't know, HELP the constituents they represent, and let go of the political line they drive on all the time. Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.


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2012-12-30 03:19:41 PM  

skinink: Obama was re-elected on November 2nd, so all of them had just about two whole months to avert this, but they haven't. Jerks.


All of our fiscal problems started on November 2nd?
 
2012-12-30 03:20:11 PM  

Infernalist: Please stop responding to the obvious trolls.


But some of them are farking AWESOME!
 
2012-12-30 03:24:32 PM  

Publikwerks: Republican's want Chained CPI included, which democrats are saying no to.

You know, I think the GOP is right about one thing. We need more guns, if only to start shooting them with.


So, shooting people with whom you disagree is okay with you? Interesting.
 
2012-12-30 03:24:46 PM  
Am I the only one who doesn't give a Fark? They'll come to some compromise at the last minute, or in a few weeks. It's like a professional sports lockout. And no amount of handwringing will change the ultimate deal. It is what it is, and will be.
 
2012-12-30 03:24:57 PM  

A. Snatchfold: clowncar on fire: Mrtraveler01: Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.

The GOP want to be remembered as refusing to give in. In the end, the voter will blame The Administration under which this fiscal mess occurred (it would be a worn out joke inserting B-b-b- Bush here) and the few key players in the GOP who are willingly committing political suicide in the process.

So you're absolutely fine with the knowledge that the GOP is creating this fiscal mess?

So this wasn't a result of years of stupid on all party's part- just the recent cast members of the GOP who refuse to be seen as the one's who raised taxes on the rich. Well let's just get out the guillotine, roll a few heads, and watch that deficit magically cure itself if that's all it would take to fix this mess.

Needs more unicorns and rainbows, just to be sure.
 
2012-12-30 03:25:17 PM  
I love how Chained-CPI basically ass rapes everyone. That's really a nice plan they have there. As if non-core CPI isn't artificially toned down already from those VOLATILE food and energy numbers that no one really has to ever worry about.

But we can't touch defense. No way. No how. But we can cut veterans benefits. Super! Really nice guys. Thanks.
 
2012-12-30 03:28:47 PM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Bontesla: Coming on a Bicycle: I still haven't found anyone with some authority explain exactly *why* this fiscal cliff would be such an enormous disaster.

GIS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Deficit_or_Surplus_with_Alternative _ Fiscal_Scenario.png

That doesn't convince me.


Well, your source is Wikipedia.
 
2012-12-30 03:29:44 PM  

CruJones: Am I the only one who doesn't give a Fark? They'll come to some compromise at the last minute, or in a few weeks. It's like a professional sports lockout. And no amount of handwringing will change the ultimate deal. It is what it is, and will be.


I've got my popcorn, my financial house is in order: let's give these rapids a ride. Still expecting watered down, politically correct version, bubble wrapped so nobody gets hurt- and a higher debt ceiling so noone bumps their widdle head this time around.
 
2012-12-30 03:29:46 PM  

ultraholland: Bontesla: Would you mind posting the specific section you're referring to?

It's French, you wouldn't understand.


Lol
 
2012-12-30 03:29:57 PM  

Funk Brothers: Congress still has to certify the Electoral College votes this week and if the House Republicans succeed, Boehner will be sworn in on January 20th.


i42.photobucket.com
You went from merely overextending yourself into the realm of surreal magic on this one. I for one give you a hearty thumbs-up.
 
2012-12-30 03:31:21 PM  

Infernalist: Bontesla: Funk Brothers: Bontesla: Why would raising taxes on income over 250 be unconstitutional?

It discriminates households depending on their income bracket. It's unfair and in direct violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. I hope if the tax rate rises on those making more than $250,000 a year gets taken up on the courts. The justices should be looking at the Constitutional Council of France's ruling recently.

Would you mind posting the specific section you're referring to?

I sincerely hope you're not actually taking him seriously.


Oh god no. I haven't taken a Republican seriously since 2000 (high school).
 
2012-12-30 03:34:18 PM  

Somacandra: Funk Brothers: Congress still has to certify the Electoral College votes this week and if the House Republicans succeed, Boehner will be sworn in on January 20th.


Goddamit! I missed that.
 
2012-12-30 03:37:27 PM  

47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: Jake Havechek: On Friday. Laura Ingraham was subbing for O'Reilly and came up with every talking point in the book, even with her GOP guests who said they should accept a deal with Obama.

"but but but, the Democrats have not come up with a budget!!!!"

That's because the GOP led House blocked everything, you dolt!

.
Wut? Reid is now a Republican? Well, that's news.

Reid's in the Senate.


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Correct, and he has blocked every bill the house has approved and passed on to the Senate.
 
2012-12-30 03:43:06 PM  

clowncar on fire: A. Snatchfold: clowncar on fire: Mrtraveler01: Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.

The GOP want to be remembered as refusing to give in. In the end, the voter will blame The Administration under which this fiscal mess occurred (it would be a worn out joke inserting B-b-b- Bush here) and the few key players in the GOP who are willingly committing political suicide in the process.

So you're absolutely fine with the knowledge that the GOP is creating this fiscal mess?
So this wasn't a result of years of stupid on all party's part- just the recent cast members of the GOP who refuse to be seen as the one's who raised taxes on the rich. Well let's just get out the guillotine, roll a few heads, and watch that deficit magically cure itself if that's all it would take to fix this mess.

Needs more unicorns and rainbows, just to be sure.


The "cliff" was a Tea Party construct, so yes, it is all on one Party.  Additionally, the GOP is the only Party that has negotiated in bad faith for over a decade, so yes, it is all on one Party.

It's just coincidence that the GOP stepped on their dicks so hard that the Democrats are benefiting from this mess.  The Democrats have been (and appear still to be) incompetent, but this reality we're living in?  All down to the GOP machinations.

/not a Democrat
 
2012-12-30 03:44:56 PM  
Funk Brothers:
I mean, I know you're trolling, but that's really a bit much.

No Congress is not establishing taxes as they see fit, they are being forced by Obama to raise taxes on a certain income by a certain time frame. It's an abuse of the Executive Branch. Obama is not Congress. Obama is being the bully here.

Wow, so you're just incredibly stupid then... Congress was the ones who set the deadline for the tax cuts to expire you farking moron. They raised the rates on themselves. Obama didn't have to do shiat. He's just using the GOP's innate ability to turn every bill into a major clusterfark as a way to leverage them into creating a tax package that he ran on and 60% of the American people want to see passed. Plus, these taxes he will cut will be on the first $250,000 FOR EVERYONE.

/I swear I'm doing my best to avoid berating you for the dumbest farking part of your statements in this thread where our highest court should be consulting cases from foreign governments as precedent. I mean.... come on, you can't be that stupid.
 
2012-12-30 03:45:45 PM  
So if the Grover Owned Party obstructs things until sequestration happens, and then hurry to make a deal after taxes have gone up, just so they can behave according to the letter (but not the spirit) of their pledge...

...does this give them MORE or LESS leverage for negotiations afterwards?
 
2012-12-30 03:46:54 PM  
The point of all this is to pass something that farks over everybody who isn't rich at the very last second so that nobody has any time to protest what they are doing since you're all out partying for New Years.

Yet another manufactured "crisis".
 
2012-12-30 03:46:56 PM  

david_gaithersburg: 47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: Jake Havechek: On Friday. Laura Ingraham was subbing for O'Reilly and came up with every talking point in the book, even with her GOP guests who said they should accept a deal with Obama.

"but but but, the Democrats have not come up with a budget!!!!"

That's because the GOP led House blocked everything, you dolt!

.
Wut? Reid is now a Republican? Well, that's news.

Reid's in the Senate.

.
Correct, and he has blocked every bill the house has approved and passed on to the Senate.


And when those biills keep getting rejected, does the GOP House actually work with the Democrats and try to find a compromise? No, they just sit and biatch about the fact that the Democrats in the Senate won't rubberstamp whatever garbage the GOP can come up with.
 
2012-12-30 03:54:05 PM  

clowncar on fire:

On the bright side- we'll be paying only what can afford (living within our means) and having a surplus to pay of the debt.



If we go over the cliff, will that create a budget surplus? Because I seem to recall reading that we'll still have a budget deficit - just a smaller one. So I think our debt will still continue to grow - only at a slower pace than if a Comprimise is reached.
 
2012-12-30 03:56:03 PM  

david_gaithersburg: 47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: Jake Havechek: On Friday. Laura Ingraham was subbing for O'Reilly and came up with every talking point in the book, even with her GOP guests who said they should accept a deal with Obama.

"but but but, the Democrats have not come up with a budget!!!!"

That's because the GOP led House blocked everything, you dolt!

.
Wut? Reid is now a Republican? Well, that's news.

Reid's in the Senate.

.
Correct, and he has blocked every bill the house has approved and passed on to the Senate.


I love how you ignored the portion of the quote that you quoted from the OP. I had even conveniently emboldened, underlined, and made it bigger for you.

You have also ignored the fact that Republicans in the current Senate have abused the filibuster by using it on nearly everything thus making it near impossible to pass anything without 60 votes, and sometimes even using it on their own farking bill: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Republican-Kentucky) filibustering his OWN BILL

It's not the Democrats that are the problem; It's the Republicans.
 
2012-12-30 03:58:07 PM  

47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: 47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: Jake Havechek: On Friday. Laura Ingraham was subbing for O'Reilly and came up with every talking point in the book, even with her GOP guests who said they should accept a deal with Obama.

"but but but, the Democrats have not come up with a budget!!!!"

That's because the GOP led House blocked everything, you dolt!

.
Wut? Reid is now a Republican? Well, that's news.

Reid's in the Senate.

.
Correct, and he has blocked every bill the house has approved and passed on to the Senate.

I love how you ignored the portion of the quote that you quoted from the OP. I had even conveniently emboldened, underlined, and made it bigger for you.

You have also ignored the fact that Republicans in the current Senate have abused the filibuster by using it on nearly everything thus making it near impossible to pass anything without 60 votes, and sometimes even using it on their own farking bill: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Republican-Kentucky) filibustering his OWN BILL

It's not the Democrats that are the problem; It's the Republicans.


No, it's the Democrats fault for not capitulating to the Republicans and catering to their every whim.
 
2012-12-30 03:59:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: 47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: Jake Havechek: On Friday. Laura Ingraham was subbing for O'Reilly and came up with every talking point in the book, even with her GOP guests who said they should accept a deal with Obama.

"but but but, the Democrats have not come up with a budget!!!!"

That's because the GOP led House blocked everything, you dolt!

.
Wut? Reid is now a Republican? Well, that's news.

Reid's in the Senate.

.
Correct, and he has blocked every bill the house has approved and passed on to the Senate.

And when those biills keep getting rejected, does the GOP House actually work with the Democrats and try to find a compromise? No, they just sit and biatch about the fact that the Democrats in the Senate won't rubberstamp whatever garbage the GOP can come up with.


Hey those 90+ votes to repeal Obamacare won't pass themselves.
 
2012-12-30 04:00:04 PM  

Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: 47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: Jake Havechek: On Friday. Laura Ingraham was subbing for O'Reilly and came up with every talking point in the book, even with her GOP guests who said they should accept a deal with Obama.

"but but but, the Democrats have not come up with a budget!!!!"

That's because the GOP led House blocked everything, you dolt!

.
Wut? Reid is now a Republican? Well, that's news.

Reid's in the Senate.

.
Correct, and he has blocked every bill the house has approved and passed on to the Senate.

And when those biills keep getting rejected, does the GOP House actually work with the Democrats and try to find a compromise? No, they just sit and biatch about the fact that the Democrats in the Senate won't rubberstamp whatever garbage the GOP can come up with.


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One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of? He should let democracy proceed. This country is not Reid's personal dictatorship.
 
2012-12-30 04:02:45 PM  

david_gaithersburg: One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of?


I don't think he's afraid of anything, most of the GOP's batshiat insane bills would just get voted down in the Senate anyways.
 
2012-12-30 04:05:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of?

I don't think he's afraid of anything, most of the GOP's batshiat insane bills would just get voted down in the Senate anyways.


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Yeah, yeah, living within one's means is soooo "batshiat crazy". Derp, derp, derp.
 
2012-12-30 04:05:59 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: 47 is the new 42: david_gaithersburg: Jake Havechek: On Friday. Laura Ingraham was subbing for O'Reilly and came up with every talking point in the book, even with her GOP guests who said they should accept a deal with Obama.

"but but but, the Democrats have not come up with a budget!!!!"

That's because the GOP led House blocked everything, you dolt!

.
Wut? Reid is now a Republican? Well, that's news.

Reid's in the Senate.

.
Correct, and he has blocked every bill the house has approved and passed on to the Senate.

And when those biills keep getting rejected, does the GOP House actually work with the Democrats and try to find a compromise? No, they just sit and biatch about the fact that the Democrats in the Senate won't rubberstamp whatever garbage the GOP can come up with.

.
One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of? He should let democracy proceed. This country is not Reid's personal dictatorship.


They're not going to rubberstamp the GOP's bills from the House.

In a saner time, a House bill would be combined with a Senate version of the same bill, details would be ironed out, both sides would walk away with the majority of what they wanted from that bill and it'd get passed into law by the President.

In these days, the House expects the Senate to simply rubberstamp their derp-bills and refuses to negotiate with the Dem-controlled Senate to get a compromise bill. Newsflash: The House has to work with the Senate and when you don't, nothing happens.
 
2012-12-30 04:06:43 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of?

I don't think he's afraid of anything, most of the GOP's batshiat insane bills would just get voted down in the Senate anyways.

.
Yeah, yeah, living within one's means is soooo "batshiat crazy". Derp, derp, derp.


It's fine to live within ones means, it's batshiat insane to think you can do that while simultaneously cutting taxes.
 
2012-12-30 04:11:18 PM  

Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of?

I don't think he's afraid of anything, most of the GOP's batshiat insane bills would just get voted down in the Senate anyways.

.
Yeah, yeah, living within one's means is soooo "batshiat crazy". Derp, derp, derp.

It's fine to live within ones means, it's batshiat insane to think you can do that while simultaneously cutting taxes.


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Citation needed on "cutting taxes". Oh, you mean Baseline Budgeting where if you choose not to raise my taxes then you get to call it a "cut". Yeah, about that, farkoff.
 
2012-12-30 04:12:25 PM  

iheartscotch: ggecko: iheartscotch: A republican congratulated Obama on something?

How bad could it be?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria!

Yeah, but it's not a congratulations. He congratulated him for getting a "political victory", that's like saying "oh, you won this round but we'll get you next time".

Perhaps he should have said,

" Next time Obama, next time...mrrreeeeoooow"

And then flew off in his flying car thing.


Dick
 
2012-12-30 04:12:46 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of?

I don't think he's afraid of anything, most of the GOP's batshiat insane bills would just get voted down in the Senate anyways.

.
Yeah, yeah, living within one's means is soooo "batshiat crazy". Derp, derp, derp.

It's fine to live within ones means, it's batshiat insane to think you can do that while simultaneously cutting taxes.

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Citation needed on "cutting taxes". Oh, you mean Baseline Budgeting where if you choose not to raise my taxes then you get to call it a "cut". Yeah, about that, farkoff.


We can totally balance the budget without raising taxes...TRUST US!!!
 
2012-12-30 04:20:05 PM  

Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of?

I don't think he's afraid of anything, most of the GOP's batshiat insane bills would just get voted down in the Senate anyways.

.
Yeah, yeah, living within one's means is soooo "batshiat crazy". Derp, derp, derp.

It's fine to live within ones means, it's batshiat insane to think you can do that while simultaneously cutting taxes.

.
Citation needed on "cutting taxes". Oh, you mean Baseline Budgeting where if you choose not to raise my taxes then you get to call it a "cut". Yeah, about that, farkoff.

We can totally balance the budget without raising taxes...TRUST US!!!


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Put the tax rates back to the Clinton/Gingrich Era. Oh right, you really don't want to fix anything.
 
2012-12-30 04:20:26 PM  

A. Snatchfold: So you're absolutely fine with the knowledge that the GOP is creating this fiscal mess?


Out of curiosity, what do you believe "this fiscal mess" is? Because your definition would have to be strangely and specifically tailored to be blamed on one party only.

Kuroshin: The "cliff" was a Tea Party construct, so yes, it is all on one Party.


The House passed the Budget Control Act on August 1, 2011 by a vote of 269-161. 174 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted for it, while 66 Republicans and 95 Democrats voted against it. The Senate passed the Act on August 2, 2011 by a vote of 74-26. 6 Democrats and 19 Republicans voted against it. It was signed by a Democratic President.

Mrtraveler01: It's fine to live within ones means, it's batshiat insane to think you can do that while simultaneously cutting taxes.


Sure you can, easily. We just choose not to. Now the fact that we cut taxes while already living well above our means and simultaneously going even deeper into our spending binge is quite insane.  But unfortunately completely rational since we, as a nation, have no understanding of money.
 
2012-12-30 04:22:12 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Put the tax rates back to the Clinton/Gingrich Era.


I'm ok with this.
 
2012-12-30 04:22:55 PM  
Why did we put a renewable limit on the debt ceiling.
 
2012-12-30 04:23:29 PM  

BMFPitt: ure you can, easily. We just choose not to.


True, theoretically we could balance the budget and cut taxes, if we cut federal programs so much that they're practically worthless.

Which is exactly why "Small Government Conservatives" love this idea.
 
2012-12-30 04:24:50 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Put the tax rates back to the Clinton/Gingrich Era. Oh right, you really don't want to fix anything.


How come the GOP hasn't suggested this? I thought they wanted to balance the budget?
 
2012-12-30 04:31:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: Put the tax rates back to the Clinton/Gingrich Era.

I'm ok with this.


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So now you hate the poor in Middle class would be the chant from the left. No matter what is proposed the so-called-progressive would be against it. btw - The Tea party has proposed restring the tax rates with the condition that spending be reduced, Reid would put the bill in his desk drawer.
 
2012-12-30 04:33:03 PM  

Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: Mrtraveler01: david_gaithersburg: One man, Reid, has refused to let the Senate vote on the Bills. What is he afraid of?

I don't think he's afraid of anything, most of the GOP's batshiat insane bills would just get voted down in the Senate anyways.

.
Yeah, yeah, living within one's means is soooo "batshiat crazy". Derp, derp, derp.

It's fine to live within ones means, it's batshiat insane to think you can do that while simultaneously cutting taxes.


Why not? The rest of us are being called to make do with less- why not place the same expectation on our government as well?
 
2012-12-30 04:36:42 PM  

david_gaithersburg: So now you hate the poor in Middle class would be the chant from the left.


It would? I don't think so. The line of thinking is that you don't raise taxes on the Middle Class during a down period in the economic cycle. You can raise taxes on them when the economy starts growing and booming again like the GOP were too damn stupid to do back in the mid 2000's.

david_gaithersburg: The Tea party has proposed restring the tax rates with the condition that spending be reduced


Does this include Defense spending. Because from what I've gathered, the GOP and Tea Party have done whatever it takes to protect Defense from any budget cuts.

Which is why I can't take them seriously when they talk about how concerned they are about the budget.
 
2012-12-30 04:37:21 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.


Funny, here is the way I see it.

Democrats would rather everyone pay higher taxes than lowering taxes for everyone.

But keep playing your class warfare games. Unemployment remains high, and when small businesses and farms that are barely scraping by have higher taxes to pay, we'll see what direction unemployment goes.
 
2012-12-30 04:40:04 PM  

Mrtraveler01: True, theoretically we could balance the budget and cut taxes, if we cut federal programs so much that they're practically worthless

back to late-90s levels, defense to a level to fulfill actual defense needs, and stopped subsidizing things that (at best) don't have any positive effect on the national interest.

FTFY.

Mrtraveler01: Which is exactly why "Small Government Conservatives" love this idea.


I have heard of these mythical creatures, but have yet to meet one. All the people I have ever heard call themselves "conservative" want a big, repressive government.
 
2012-12-30 04:49:32 PM  

06Wahoo: But keep playing your class warfare games.


So you really don't care about balancing the budget then? Because unless we increases taxes to bring in more revenue, we can't realistically balance the budget.

But at least you guys get to trot out that tired "class warfare" card when you guys aren't too busy biatching about how 99% of "poor" people own a refrigerator.

How cute.
 
2012-12-30 04:53:42 PM  

06Wahoo: Democrats would rather everyone pay higher taxes than lowering taxes for everyone.


And how does lowering taxes pay our bills?  You do realize that we are already not paying the bills we've already racked up, right?  That much of our current budget is just obligations we're already committed to?

Or do you think we should just default as a nation?  Be an entire nation of deadbeats?  That's what you're suggesting.
 
2012-12-30 05:08:08 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Today:

Graham: "A deal is near!"
White House: "It is?"

Tomorrow:

Graham: "We had a deal but the White House ruined it! Its all their fault!"
White House: "We did? It is?"
Media dutifully stenographs: "Graham Says White House Scuttled Deal To Save Us From Financial Ruin, White House Denies, Both Sides Are Still Bad"


THIS.

/Seriously, just because he said it on Fox News doesn't mean it has a basis in reality.
 
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