NewportBarGuy: I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

Graham says he thinks the bill needs 60% of the Senate GOP to back it to get a tenth of the House GOP to vote for it, assuming that all the Democrats vote for the deal.

Every single part of this is absurd and I think unlikely.

this thread...how the fark does it work?

Nice how on the one hand the politicians proclaim America the best Country in the World, then on the other hand they do everything to run the country like they couldn't give a shiat. Obama was re-elected on November 2nd, so all of them had just about two whole months to avert this, but they haven't. Jerks.

It's going to be a crappy deal that screws over most taxpayers.

But hey, credit for getting it done? Oh well.

A republican congratulated Obama on something?

How bad could it be?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria!

Let's see...higher taxes means more money to the Guvmint.
Um.....I don't see our esteemed leaders' incentive to change a damn thing.

Oh that's right, there are still those of you out there that think the government gives a flying fark about you.
Suckers.

No.

I can't believe that just this one time, we can't drop partisan politics and just make a nice deal that will save us from plunging into the abyss. It's bad enough that most of the major companies have fled to other climes to pay their workers shiat wages and no benefits, so work is hard to find , and the jobs you CAN find are crap that don't pay. Now, we are looking at taxing everyone at a higher rate, when the economy is in a steady depression, and unemployment is high. One would like to think that we elected these people to actually, I don't know, HELP the constituents they represent, and let go of the political line they drive on all the time. Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs here, gentlemen! We must do something about this immediately! Immediately! Immediately! Harrumph! Harrumph!

/I'm glad that they should now be able to avoid such an arbitrary thing. Kudos.

iheartscotch: A republican congratulated Obama on something?

How bad could it be?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria!

Yeah, but it's not a congratulations. He congratulated him for getting a "political victory", that's like saying "oh, you won this round but we'll get you next time".

I still haven't found anyone with some authority explain exactly *why* this fiscal cliff would be such an enormous disaster.

ZAZ: I expect any deal to be worse than the "cliff".

THIS. You know Obama will sell us out before making those assholes pay for causing this mess.

Graham seems to be one of the few in the old guard that seems to understand that the GOP really needs to change if it intends to survive.

/seems is the active word in that sentence.

GAT_00: NewportBarGuy: I'm racking my brain for the GOP votes they need. I think Graham is saying he'll vote for it, but that's still 50-50 based upon how they treated Dole's UN treaty. You can probably get Scott Brown, because he wants Kerry's seat. You can count on Snowe and Collins. Who else?

Who else is not batsh*t crazy? I honestly can't think of anymore votes. Saxby Chambliss said something a few weeks ago, but he got his peter stepped on. Can they actually get 60 votes? F*cking filibuster rule is retarded. Especially since they don't have the stones to actually make them filibuster the goddamn thing.

Graham says he thinks the bill needs 60% of the Senate GOP to back it to get a tenth of the House GOP to vote for it, assuming that all the Democrats vote for the deal.

Every single part of this is absurd and I think unlikely.

I don't foresee a resolution occurring in enough time. If all budgetary bills must originate in the House and if this one originates in the Senate then I think we'll see what we saw a few months ago when another budgetary bill was originated in the Senate. They allowed it to come up for a vote in the House because they knew it couldn't be passed. The House only needs to accuse Obama of trying to bypass the Constitution and suddenly this becomes a discussion about who did what and not the fiscal cliff.

Leave Moose and Squirrel to me.

Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.

Coming on a Bicycle: I still haven't found anyone with some authority explain exactly *why* this fiscal cliff would be such an enormous disaster.

GIS

"New York Times' Tweeter feed is reporting a setback." I am shocked.

ggecko: iheartscotch: A republican congratulated Obama on something?

How bad could it be?

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together ... mass hysteria!

Yeah, but it's not a congratulations. He congratulated him for getting a "political victory", that's like saying "oh, you won this round but we'll get you next time".

Perhaps he should have said,

" Next time Obama, next time...mrrreeeeoooow"

And then flew off in his flying car thing.

PreMortem: TFA does not include Graham congradulating Obama on a deal. I am disappoint in headline.

He did on FOX News Sunday. He said "my hat is off to the president" for getting a deal.

The GOP are farked. The teabagger faction is at war with establishment GOP, and they both hate moderate Republicans.

Oh, Cliff
Sometimes it must be difficult not to feel as if
You really are a Cliff
When fascists keep trying to push you over it
Are they the lemmings?
Or are you Cliff?
Or are you, Cliff?

Watered down version I'm sure- a few higher taxes on the wealthiest, elimination of programs that don't exist but have been budgeted for 2013. Probably balancing the budget in the short term but raising the debt ceiling a bit, cause, ya gotta have options.

I'd prefer eliminating charity and home mortgage interest write-offs, raising the minimum tax on the wealthiest to 22-25% on derivatives for those earning 250k or more, all government programs take a 2% or more reduction, and pay the additional 2% on my own earned income. Tax property sales of over 200k on people who earn 250k (combined wages and any other income that year property is sold). Tax gifts of cash/monetary gifts of over 50k. Place import taxes on companies who have moved from domestic to overseas, minimum tax on those who choose to return.

In all fairness, imposing a flat non-returnable annual tax of $100 on our lowest wage earners (that's like a bag of weed or half a carton of cigs/12 pack of cheep beer monthly) as they seem to place the heaviest burden on our public services. Seriously time to look at religious organizations that are openly exploiting the tax laws and the revenue they generate, medicare fraud, start taxing luxury again.

Mrtraveler01: Bit'O'Gristle: Taxing me more when i don't have much now isn't really helping me.

Unless you make over $250,000 you wouldn't have had to worry about being tasked if the GOP and Dems would have come to an agreement.

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Let me repeat:

The GOP would rather have everyone pay higher taxes than letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the rich.

Unless you make over $250,000, I don't see how anyone can vote for the GOP in their best interests.

Part of me is okay with this.

The rest of me, not so much. Our society doesn't set its mind on "what you can do for your country", it thinks of the exact opposite. We can't afford all the stuff we want right now, even if we jack the rate up on the rich. Everyone would have to contribute more. This won't happen.

Today:

Graham: "A deal is near!"
White House: "It is?"

Tomorrow:

Graham: "We had a deal but the White House ruined it! Its all their fault!"
White House: "We did? It is?"
Media dutifully stenographs: "Graham Says White House Scuttled Deal To Save Us From Financial Ruin, White House Denies, Both Sides Are Still Bad"

Krikkitbot: Quid pro quo Clarice, quid pro quo

Tell me Mr. Boehner......have the lambs stopped screaming yet?

My bet is they go over the cliff, then early next year they will pass the exact same deal that they refuse to accept now. They are going to allow taxes to go up, without voting on it, so the republicans can claim they never voted to raise taxes. Then after Jan. 1, after the automatic raises go into effect, they will pass the exact same thing they refuse to pass now, because then they can claim they voted to lower taxes.

/all politics are local
//they only care about getting re-elected back home
///not what is best for the nation

ZAZ: I expect any deal to be worse than the "cliff".

Over in 2.

All the income under $250,000 will still be taxed at the old rate, it's the first penny over that and the rest that is over the $250,000 will be taxed at a new rate.

That is what the GOP and FOX News Channel does not want you to know.

Here's hoping Dick Cheney takes Lindsey Graham hunting sometime soon.

I see nothing in that article but wishful thinking and more deflection of blame toward the Senate for the House GOP's failure to act.

Silly Fark headlines that misrepresent the content of the linked articles are tolerable if we're reading about a Kardashian or teachers having sex with students, but this fiscal cliff thing is a little more important than that.

'my number one priority is making sure president Obama's a one-term president.'

-- Mitch McConnell


You made your bed, farkos, now lie in it.