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(Politico)   Reid vs. McConnell. This is the fight of the century. A knockdown drag out between the Old Man and the Turtle. This is your official Sunday GOV Showdown. Let's get ready to HUMBLE   (politico.com) divider line 58
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2012-12-30 04:18:32 PM
7 votes:

namatad: The original sequester plan WAS the compromise.


Seriously, wasn't it something they voted for? Something they helped create? Now they act like "OMG ITZ THE END OF THE USA WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE BECAUSE OF OUR BROWN PRESIDENT!!!"

Christ... I'm bout ready to say fark it, let the sequester happen. They signed off on it how long ago, had how long to come up with a goddamn budget, and they still don't have one? Farking really? As a taxpayer, I have to ask, why are these assholes getting paid? They continuously fail to make a budget. If I had a job responsibility that included "making sure out finances are in order and ensuring we can pay the bills", and I fail to do so repeatedly, I'd be fired. Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?
2012-12-30 05:41:01 PM
6 votes:
The Republican party cannot be blamed for not planning for the current "fiscal cliff" situation. They did, in fact, have a sound strategy for handling it: have Mr. Mitt Romney elected President and have their party regain control of the Senate, which would then have allowed them to completely reverse all of the elements of the "cliff" that they found undesirable (such as the expiration of tax cuts for income brackets above $250,000 and cuts to defense spending) while retaining the elements that they found acceptable (such as expiration of tax cuts to income brackets below $250,000 and cuts to any social services). The voters of the United States then sabotaged this plan on November 6 by re-electing President Barack Obama and by allowing the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.

When Representative John Boehner stated that he received 98% of what their party wanted from the 2011 "debt ceiling" negotiations, it was predicated upon the assumption that President Obama would lose his re-election bid. As such, the fault of this current situation actually falls upon President Obama for having the poor judgment to be re-elected.
2012-12-30 04:24:18 PM
6 votes:
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For many months this has been the inevitable endgame following the ridiculous, self-inflicted wound the GOP orchestrated during the completely fabricated debt limit fight. They started a fight over literally nothing, they misled their supporters about what the debt limit even is, they got our credit rating downgraded and damaged the economy. And now, after getting taken to the cleaners during the last election, they are going to get kicked in the balls. We've known for a long time exactly how this is going to play out, but the GOP is so fractured and aimless that they couldn't do anything to stop it.
2012-12-31 02:17:02 AM
4 votes:

It takes awhile for the American people to catch on, but they are catching on, as the last election and current polling shows.

If the Repubs block a deal this time there will be an even bigger backlash against them. The fact that the Turtle called up Joey Biden to try to help save his ass was a big tell that the GOP sees the corner they've painted themselves into and is starting to panic.

If the GOP tries this again and the 2014 midterm elections could give Obama the House back:

xtupload.com


Something about "you can fool some of the people all of the time (read: all GOP voters), and you can fool all of the people some of the time (read: George Bush from 2000 to 2005), but you can't fool all of the people all of the time (read: the majority of Americans, 2008 - present)"
2012-12-31 01:24:31 AM
4 votes:

beer4breakfast: It's a farking disgrace that this is now how US federal budget negotiations work. The sequestration that was put in place to try to force both parties to work together didn't even even do that, since we're yet again at the same last minute hand wringing BS we had last time. And again, the best that can be hoped for is a last minute agreement that simply kicks the can down the road. What a farking joke for what these politicians say is, "the greatest country on Earth". Yet those same politicians, even after they agree to put triggers in place to force action on their part, still can't do it. Feh, absolutely disgraceful.


Take a look at why that is. There's a big chunk of America that doesn't see working with the other side as a good thing. They see it as weakness, and they reward it with primary challenges.

Speaking of, I think I'll have some tea.
2012-12-31 01:07:05 AM
4 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Equally as important is upgrading our aging telecom infrastructure. When S. Korea is outdoing us, we have a major, major problem.


I agree. I know folks like Debeo will never admit they supported the Iraq war, but I'd rather spend on fairy dust infrastructure here in America than all the shock and awe in the Middle East any day of the week.
2012-12-31 12:51:41 AM
4 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Take your infrastructure fairy dust elsewhere. Nobody is buying it here.


Speak for yourself. Infrastructure spending is more than just Amtrak. It's maintaining or replacing bridges or sewer systems or dams that are close to a century old. It's improving our fragile power grid. These things are good for people, good for business, good for security.
2012-12-31 12:06:10 AM
4 votes:

nmrsnr: Obama has as much as said that if we pass Jan. 1 without a compromise he's going to ask Reid to enter a no-frills, straight up tax cut on everyone making less than $250k and dare the GOP to filibuster a tax cut for 98% or Americans.


A tax cut for the first $250,000 of income for ALL 100% of people in the country. That's what's on offer. Everyone - not just 98% - gets the same discount on the first $250k.

The difference is that the republicans want to maintain an ADDITIONAL tax break for income over $250k.
2012-12-30 07:39:51 PM
3 votes:
This story has actually been helpful to me. Anytime I see someone saying "both sides are to blame here", that tells me I'm not dealing with an intelligent or reasonable person, and I have no need to listen to them about anything else of consequence.

It's really helped me thin down my "trusted advisers" list.
2012-12-30 05:53:25 PM
3 votes:

Dimensio: The Republican party cannot be blamed for not planning for the current "fiscal cliff" situation. They did, in fact, have a sound strategy for handling it: have Mr. Mitt Romney elected President and have their party regain control of the Senate, which would then have allowed them to completely reverse all of the elements of the "cliff" that they found undesirable (such as the expiration of tax cuts for income brackets above $250,000 and cuts to defense spending) while retaining the elements that they found acceptable (such as expiration of tax cuts to income brackets below $250,000 and cuts to any social services). The voters of the United States then sabotaged this plan on November 6 by re-electing President Barack Obama and by allowing the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.

When Representative John Boehner stated that he received 98% of what their party wanted from the 2011 "debt ceiling" negotiations, it was predicated upon the assumption that President Obama would lose his re-election bid. As such, the fault of this current situation actually falls upon President Obama for having the poor judgment to be re-elected.


The sad thing is that you're not far from the truth. They really did invest all of their political capital into Romney getting elected and the GOP taking back the Senate and now that they got neither, they're left hanging and looking like complete idiots.
2012-12-30 04:22:27 PM
3 votes:

RoxtarRyan: Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?


well, see, you're under the impression that 'doing their job' is either legislating, leading, or even just maintaining the machine so it keeps running.

picture for a minute that the job description is instead 'spiting the libs'. then they get a check-plus-plus on their evaluation.

in other words, it's a damn near religious doctrine for a section of the populace that government is the problem, so sending people to do the job that are allergic to governing actually makes sense.
2012-12-31 10:19:50 AM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: What do you think this is, a credit card?


On one hand, they say debt is bad. On the other hand, they say government should be run like a business.

Well which is it, yabbos, because if you're running a successful business, at some point, you're going to use debt to leverage your business up and expand it. And that's just a small business.

Of course, the half-life of a business is about 8-years- can you imagine if you Federal government had a 50% chance of failing every 8 years? Maybe we shouldn't run the government like a business.
2012-12-31 10:09:30 AM
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: What happens when rates return to historic averages and we have to refinance all our debt?

What do you think this is, a credit card?


Yes, that is absolutely what the austerity jihadists think. They constantly make comparisons to running the most complex global society in history to balancing a family checkbook. Then they snarkily tell you about how it's "Economics 101".

It's scary that these people can get into power, and get SO close to having control over the country. In fact, you could argue that over the last 2 years they HAVE had control of the country.
2012-12-31 02:57:26 AM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: It's better used to reduce borrowing than to waste on other spending here.


No it isn't. With interest rates as low as they are this is a great time to borrow and spend on infrastructure; it's a great opportunity.

The majority of the money owed by the US is to itself and its citizens and institutions. Looking at it from one side it is debt, looking from the other side it is investment. I doubt all those retirement funds would thank us for paying off their US Treasuries early, forcing them to find another place to stow their money.

The only way to really screw up this sweet deal of low interest loans is to threaten to default on payment, and you can thank the Tea Baggers and the GOP for thinking that is a good idea with their debt ceiling hostage shenanigans. They are trying to scare low-information voters with the debt in order to leverage the reduction and elimination of social programs.
2012-12-31 01:57:29 AM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Either find a new job or go apply for welfare or food stamps or any other benefits you might qualify for.


X = number of job openings
5X = number of unemployed persons no longer eligible for benefits

Solve for X = 5X

Required: must show your work.
2012-12-31 12:53:44 AM
2 votes:

The Why Not Guy: Debeo Summa Credo: Take your infrastructure fairy dust elsewhere. Nobody is buying it here.

Speak for yourself. Infrastructure spending is more than just Amtrak. It's maintaining or replacing bridges or sewer systems or dams that are close to a century old. It's improving our fragile power grid. These things are good for people, good for business, good for security.


Equally as important is upgrading our aging telecom infrastructure. When S. Korea is outdoing us, we have a major, major problem.
2012-12-30 11:59:02 PM
2 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: We're going over the cliff. The GOP is willing to go over the cliff if they don't get all cuts extended. The dems are willing forego extensions of tax cuts for the 98% if it requires extending for the other 2% as well (even though it would cost only about 20% more to extend all cuts than those the dems want to extend).

So be it. Let's go over the cliff. Spending is too high and we never should have passed the bush tax cuts in the first place.


Oh my Zeus. I never thought I would ever agree with you on anything.


I completely agree. Lets go over this so called 'cliff'. Its good for the country, and good for the middle class. On this alone, we reduce wasteful military spending by $1.2 trillion.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.


There's is a lot of roads, schools, and bridges we can build with that money instead of dumping it into some desert overseas.
2012-12-30 11:41:02 PM
2 votes:
We're going over the cliff. The GOP is willing to go over the cliff if they don't get all cuts extended. The dems are willing forego extensions of tax cuts for the 98% if it requires extending for the other 2% as well (even though it would cost only about 20% more to extend all cuts than those the dems want to extend).

So be it. Let's go over the cliff. Spending is too high and we never should have passed the bush tax cuts in the first place.
2012-12-30 09:20:55 PM
2 votes:
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2012-12-30 06:54:31 PM
2 votes:
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2012-12-30 06:10:12 PM
2 votes:

Dimensio: The Republican party cannot be blamed for not planning for the current "fiscal cliff" situation. They did, in fact, have a sound strategy for handling it: have Mr. Mitt Romney elected President and have their party regain control of the Senate...


Based on Romney's unwillingness to articulate a single spending cuts he would propose (except for cutting Big Bird) and Congressional Republican's inability to pass their own Plan B, I'm not even sure if they could have worked this out even if they had won.
2012-12-30 05:33:50 PM
2 votes:

Notabunny: nmrsnr: Obama has as much as said that if we pass Jan. 1 without a compromise he's going to ask Reid to enter a no-frills, straight up tax cut on everyone making less than $250k and dare the GOP to filibuster a tax cut for 98% or Americans.

The Republicans attached a new "chained" formula for calculating the COLA for Social Security, which Democrats are calling a "poison pill" and a non-starter. So there's a good chance Obama's plan is the one we'll get.


the chained formula sucks. why the fark do SS recipients, who get screwed on COLA as it is, have to get double screwed? damn Obama hasn't even got his second inauguration and he's pissing me off again.
2012-12-30 04:45:27 PM
2 votes:
Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.
2012-12-30 03:00:25 PM
2 votes:
Obama has as much as said that if we pass Jan. 1 without a compromise he's going to ask Reid to enter a no-frills, straight up tax cut on everyone making less than $250k and dare the GOP to filibuster a tax cut for 98% or Americans.
2012-12-30 01:57:20 PM
2 votes:
If McConnell or Republicans did filibuster the Reid plan, it would allow Democrats to blame GOP leadership for blocking a resolution to the fiscal cliff.

Just do this and be done already. WHAT is it with all the farking around?
You KNOW that the GOP wont deal, so FARK THEM.
2012-12-30 01:54:46 PM
2 votes:

Mentat: This will be Obama's Waterloo!  Again!


and again

so they are not going to raise the debt limit and they are not going to fark with the cuts, but they are going to play with who gets a tax cut?

WHY would the dems compromise on this???
The original sequester plan WAS the compromise. (Compromise is the deal that no one wants, NOT the deal that the GOP will be happy with.)
I REALLY hope the DEMS hold firm on this.
2012-12-31 11:53:30 AM
1 votes:
the $110 billion in spending cuts should target the welfare queen states, such as New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia.

all of these states receive 50% more in Federal funding vs what their residents pay in Federal Taxes. The home of the 47% of Americans with no skin in the game.
2012-12-31 11:39:35 AM
1 votes:

BMulligan: Debeo Summa Credo: max_pooper: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: What happens when rates return to historic averages and we have to refinance all our debt?

What do you think this is, a credit card?

Yeah I dont have a GED in finance or anything but I'm pretty sure treasury bonds are fixed interest.

Wow. Each individual treasury issued is fixed rate (other than TIPS) but, as I said above, most of our issuances are on the short end- 5 years or less. When those bonds mature, we have to pay the principal back. Absent a surplus at that time, we'll need to reissue new treasury securities to obtain funds to pay back the principal. And the rate we will pay will be the market rate at that time.

So, all the great 1% 5 year notes we can issue now to finance your infrastructure projects will have to be refinanced at whatever the rates are in 5 years. Get it now?

Those interest rates aren't going to increase until the economy starts showing some robust growth. If the economy starts showing some robust growth, government revenues increase dramatically and the problem manages itself. I've been hearing you ninnies complain about government debt my whole life, all the way back to the Johnson administration, and it's always been a load of nonsense.


YOU LIE!

They only complain about it when there is a D in the White House.
2012-12-31 10:28:08 AM
1 votes:

t3knomanser: cameroncrazy1984: What do you think this is, a credit card?

On one hand, they say debt is bad. On the other hand, they say government should be run like a business.

Well which is it, yabbos, because if you're running a successful business, at some point, you're going to use debt to leverage your business up and expand it. And that's just a small business.

Of course, the half-life of a business is about 8-years- can you imagine if you Federal government had a 50% chance of failing every 8 years? Maybe we shouldn't run the government like a business.


Governments should NEVER be run like a business.

The simple single goal of a business is to make profit by any and all means necessary that are compatible with the owner's morals or lack thereof.

Treating employees like crap, getting substandard materials, misleading advertisement, outright cheating, lying and breaking the law whenever they can get away with it. As long as 'profit' is attained, then everything is kosher.

A government's singular purpose is to provide for the common good of the governed. Without consideration for 'profit'. It's there to look out for 'us'. Republicans want to confuse us on that fact, get us to forget that government is a contract devised solely to ensure that the common good is served.

They count on people being willfully ignorant, suspicious of 'different' people, bigoted, fearful and blind. That is why they're get hated on so much, because they 'require' the basest nature of humanity in order to cling to power. They are the id of the nation's political scene. Selfish, greedy, unthinking.
2012-12-31 09:05:18 AM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Take your infrastructure fairy dust elsewhere. Nobody is buying it here.


No, no, no.

Pulling yourself into the air by your own bootstraps, aka "flying," THAT takes fairy dust.
2012-12-31 09:00:53 AM
1 votes:
I can't help but shake the feeling that this, like the "super committee", is mere Kabuki theater to try to slip through deep and permanent cuts to social spending, while leaving tax rates on the wealthy at historic lows, or cutting them further, and leaving bloated "security" spending where it is, or raising it.

Once that's achieved, phase 2: higher income tax on the bottom 50%, higher sales tax, shift employer's share of payroll tax to employees, strip away any and all protections for workers.

I hope I'm paranoid. I used to be. Then along came the 21st century, and reality became worse than my paranoia.
2012-12-31 06:43:58 AM
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: Debeo Summa Credo: Take your infrastructure fairy dust elsewhere. Nobody is buying it here.

Speak for yourself. Infrastructure spending is more than just Amtrak. It's maintaining or replacing bridges or sewer systems or dams that are close to a century old. It's improving our fragile power grid. These things are good for people, good for business, good for security.


What you haven't heard? We can build bridges with our bootstraps

/stimulus was used to fix a primary bridge less than 3 miles from me
//it was a complete deathtrap, so bad it was at an incline
///Romney supporters actually complained about it being "waste"
2012-12-31 03:17:34 AM
1 votes:
Another day, another thread trolled into the ground by debeo 'all or nothing' credo.

Gotta give him props for typing while in between fellating the wealthy.
2012-12-31 01:39:30 AM
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: beer4breakfast: It's a farking disgrace that this is now how US federal budget negotiations work. The sequestration that was put in place to try to force both parties to work together didn't even even do that, since we're yet again at the same last minute hand wringing BS we had last time. And again, the best that can be hoped for is a last minute agreement that simply kicks the can down the road. What a farking joke for what these politicians say is, "the greatest country on Earth". Yet those same politicians, even after they agree to put triggers in place to force action on their part, still can't do it. Feh, absolutely disgraceful.

Take a look at why that is. There's a big chunk of America that doesn't see working with the other side as a good thing. They see it as weakness, and they reward it with primary challenges.

Speaking of, I think I'll have some tea.


You're wrong. They don't see it as weakness. They see it as siding with the Lord of Darkness.
2012-12-31 01:18:23 AM
1 votes:
It's a farking disgrace that this is now how US federal budget negotiations work. The sequestration that was put in place to try to force both parties to work together didn't even even do that, since we're yet again at the same last minute hand wringing BS we had last time. And again, the best that can be hoped for is a last minute agreement that simply kicks the can down the road. What a farking joke for what these politicians say is, "the greatest country on Earth". Yet those same politicians, even after they agree to put triggers in place to force action on their part, still can't do it. Feh, absolutely disgraceful.
2012-12-31 12:29:05 AM
1 votes:

Kuroshin: Debeo Summa Credo: Goodfella: Debeo Summa Credo: We're going over the cliff. The GOP is willing to go over the cliff if they don't get all cuts extended. The dems are willing forego extensions of tax cuts for the 98% if it requires extending for the other 2% as well (even though it would cost only about 20% more to extend all cuts than those the dems want to extend).

So be it. Let's go over the cliff. Spending is too high and we never should have passed the bush tax cuts in the first place.

Oh my Zeus. I never thought I would ever agree with you on anything.


I completely agree. Lets go over this so called 'cliff'. Its good for the country, and good for the middle class. On this alone, we reduce wasteful military spending by $1.2 trillion.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.

$1.2 trillion saved, and that's just on what would have been wasted on the military alone.


There's is a lot of roads, schools, and bridges we can build with that money instead of dumping it into some desert overseas.

Yeah, I agree that money dumped in the desert is a waste. Although I'd disagree what we should do with those savings. It's better used to reduce borrowing than to waste on other spending here. We have a trillion dollar deficit. We need higher revenues and lower spending, defense and otherwise.

So a decades-long depression it is then. Economic death-spirals are good for the soul, or so I've heard.


I believe you are exaggerating. The CBO estimates a 2.9% decline in GDP over the next year if we go off the fiscal cliff, relative to what we would have without the cliff (1-2% growth) returning to growth in subsequent years. It's not pretty but it's not a decades long depression by any means.

If you'd like to phase in the tax hikes and spending cuts, go ahead. But we never seem to have the political will to raise taxes or cut spending. Even Obama, who just won his second term and will never run for anything again, doesn't have the guts to tell the American middle class that maybe its better for the long term fiscal health of the country if they go back to Clinton era tax rates. No, he wants 82% of the bush cuts to be made permanent.

This fiscal cliff could be a once in a generation chance to right the fiscal ship. Raise taxes, slash spending. We'll get over it. We've been borrowing too much for too long.
2012-12-31 12:15:29 AM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: waste on other spending here.


What if we "wasted" it on infrastructure spending? That would have a double effect on the economy.
2012-12-31 12:02:55 AM
1 votes:

namatad: so they are not going to raise the debt limit and they are not going to fark with the cuts, but they are going to play with who gets a tax cut?


They're out of time, and they know it. As they looked across the bargaining table at each other, an unspoken understanding passed between them. The question, abruptly, had changed from "What the fark are we going to do about this mess?" to "Which part of this mess is most politically damaging?" They agreed solemnly to work on just that part, and forget the rest. The deal was sealed with the secret Senate handshake. Because at the end of the day, this really was all about not yielding the levers of power. At the end of the day, it came down to self preservation. And a man has to have a job to live.
2012-12-30 11:57:17 PM
1 votes:

Infernalist: diaphoresis: I'm hoping for a Thelma and Louise ending to the fiscal cliff

[baltimorepostexaminer.com image 490x246]
/I want it to happen so damn badly

It'll happen, most likely, but instead of going off a cliff, imagine a slow slope that takes a full year to reach the bottom, and can be entirely overturned by retro-active legislation by the next congress.


Except that the cliff contains some things like unemployment benefits and subsidies for dairy farmers going away. Even if they are re-instated, that's still time of actual suffering by people who can little afford it. What do you tell the 2 million about to be jolted off of unemployment insurance? "Don't worry, we'll settle things in February and say you can get back benefits. Then you can apply those backpaid benefits to the bills that went unpaid or the food you couldn't afford to buy in January." ?
2012-12-30 11:30:34 PM
1 votes:

Curious: machodonkeywrestler: Curious: Notabunny: nmrsnr: Obama has as much as said that if we pass Jan. 1 without a compromise he's going to ask Reid to enter a no-frills, straight up tax cut on everyone making less than $250k and dare the GOP to filibuster a tax cut for 98% or Americans.

The Republicans attached a new "chained" formula for calculating the COLA for Social Security, which Democrats are calling a "poison pill" and a non-starter. So there's a good chance Obama's plan is the one we'll get.

the chained formula sucks. why the fark do SS recipients, who get screwed on COLA as it is, have to get double screwed? damn Obama hasn't even got his second inauguration and he's pissing me off again.

What??

see this article for why i said Obama http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/nancy-pelosi-social-security _ n_2333285.html may be a republican idea but obama and pelosi are on board with it.


You can quit concern trolling now, the Republicans dropped that like six hours ago.
2012-12-30 10:02:52 PM
1 votes:

BalugaJoe: GOP is against helping the disabled.


The GOP is against helping ANYONE...till they've helped themselves to everything twice and an extra serving of mashed potatoes.
2012-12-30 08:30:50 PM
1 votes:

Mentat: This will be Obama's Waterloo!  Again!


I hope so. The Duke of Wellington won Waterloo.

Comparing Obama to Wellington is a great compliment.
2012-12-30 08:24:04 PM
1 votes:
The reporters are reporting a report that the Republicans' most recent deal involves a four-year Taxbongo jail sentence.  That's a compromise if I ever saw one.  Take a compromise for once in your life, liberals.  This country is Taxed Enough Already, Please Admit Republicans Told You.
2012-12-30 08:10:10 PM
1 votes:
I guess that it wasn't enough to give 2012 away, but they're going to throw 2014 in as well.

Thanks!
2012-12-30 07:06:45 PM
1 votes:
The current GOP bargaining position:

4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-12-30 06:35:40 PM
1 votes:

Popcorn Johnny: My 401k would really appreciate it if you morons could work something out.  K thanks


If your 401K is having issues after the last couple of years, it's your fault, not anyone else's
2012-12-30 06:21:31 PM
1 votes:
Frankly, I would be willing to pay more taxes if that's what it takes for the rich to pay their share.

/lib
2012-12-30 06:16:28 PM
1 votes:
It's been just like any fight from DBZ: long, drawn out, lots of talking, took much charging for attacks, and barely winning at the very last second.
2012-12-30 05:51:20 PM
1 votes:
hell yeah! fark rich white people!
2012-12-30 05:15:07 PM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.


You are underestimating just how much the GOP wants to suck off the 1% (and just how much their voting base agrees with it)
2012-12-30 05:06:04 PM
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.


Problem with this is that they won't get to vote in tax cuts for their buddies, the 1%. Those are the guys who fund them and their crusade against America. If they let all the tax cuts expire they'll have to fight hard to get them back past Obama and that'll look incredibly bad to average voting Americans.
2012-12-30 04:44:04 PM
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RoxtarRyan: namatad: The original sequester plan WAS the compromise.

Seriously, wasn't it something they voted for? Something they helped create? Now they act like "OMG ITZ THE END OF THE USA WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE BECAUSE OF OUR BROWN PRESIDENT!!!"

Christ... I'm bout ready to say fark it, let the sequester happen. They signed off on it how long ago, had how long to come up with a goddamn budget, and they still don't have one? Farking really? As a taxpayer, I have to ask, why are these assholes getting paid? They continuously fail to make a budget. If I had a job responsibility that included "making sure out finances are in order and ensuring we can pay the bills", and I fail to do so repeatedly, I'd be fired. Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?


I was thinking the first part earlier this week myself. Sooo...the legislation leading to the fiscal cliff was a horribly bad idea? Well, I guess we need to figure out who was responsible for it. Oh, the same morons that are always whining about everything? Fantastic.
2012-12-30 04:22:41 PM
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So all the defense cuts go into place, all of the Bush tax cuts evaporate and all the GOP gets in return is an opportunity to vote against reinstating the tax cuts for 98% of Americans if it means unemployed people get to eat and our credit rating isn't destroyed?

Did the GOP subcontract out the hiring of their chief negotiators to a mental institution or something?
2012-12-30 04:19:46 PM
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RoxtarRyan: Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?


Republicans. The common clay of the new West. You know. Morons.
2012-12-30 04:17:37 PM
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Autistic Hiker: Negotiations broke down Sunday after McConnell pressed Reid to include in a year-end deal a provision that would re-index Social Security payments to a less generous measurement of inflation called chained CPI. Dems say including Social Security cuts in a deal that doesn't increase the debt limit is a non-starter.


Wait...all of this stupid bullcrap and it still doesn't include an increase of the debt ceiling?

Seriously, fark all of this nonsense, the GOP needs to stop with their little BS games and act like grown adults for once in their sad miserable lives.
2012-12-30 04:10:05 PM
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Regardless of what side you support, it has been a long farking time since Mitch McConnell out maneuvered Harry Reid.
2012-12-30 04:04:47 PM
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If the defense and safety net cuts are off the table and there is no debt ceiling crap...what the hell is there to compromise on?

Why would the democrats agree to full renewal of the Bush tax cuts if there is nothing for them to gain?

The GOP can agree to raise the rates for the top two/three tax brackets, or they can stuff it.
2012-12-30 01:11:22 PM
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www.theboxinggem.com

McConnell, you'll play the part of Rex Lancaster.
 
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