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(Politico)   Reid vs. McConnell. This is the fight of the century. A knockdown drag out between the Old Man and the Turtle. This is your official Sunday GOV Showdown. Let's get ready to HUMBLE   (politico.com) divider line 177
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2012-12-30 01:11:22 PM  
www.theboxinggem.com

McConnell, you'll play the part of Rex Lancaster.
 
2012-12-30 01:36:38 PM  
This will be Obama's Waterloo!  Again!
 
2012-12-30 01:50:37 PM  

Mentat: This will be Obama's Waterloo!  Again!


Waterloo II: Electric Boogaloo!

/oblig
 
2012-12-30 01:54:46 PM  

Mentat: This will be Obama's Waterloo!  Again!


and again

so they are not going to raise the debt limit and they are not going to fark with the cuts, but they are going to play with who gets a tax cut?

WHY would the dems compromise on this???
The original sequester plan WAS the compromise. (Compromise is the deal that no one wants, NOT the deal that the GOP will be happy with.)
I REALLY hope the DEMS hold firm on this.
 
2012-12-30 01:57:20 PM  
If McConnell or Republicans did filibuster the Reid plan, it would allow Democrats to blame GOP leadership for blocking a resolution to the fiscal cliff.

Just do this and be done already. WHAT is it with all the farking around?
You KNOW that the GOP wont deal, so FARK THEM.
 
2012-12-30 02:45:52 PM  
What's all this then?
 
2012-12-30 02:49:05 PM  
Let's just pretend headline was submitted with TUMBLE, as in off the cliff.
 
2012-12-30 02:50:28 PM  
 
2012-12-30 03:00:25 PM  
Obama has as much as said that if we pass Jan. 1 without a compromise he's going to ask Reid to enter a no-frills, straight up tax cut on everyone making less than $250k and dare the GOP to filibuster a tax cut for 98% or Americans.
 
2012-12-30 03:35:53 PM  
This article is 2 hours old. It's already past the 3pm deadline.
 
2012-12-30 03:43:09 PM  
Republicans should quit crying and pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
 
2012-12-30 03:47:12 PM  
Bless the GOP's sweet heart.
 
2012-12-30 03:52:24 PM  

nmrsnr: Obama has as much as said that if we pass Jan. 1 without a compromise he's going to ask Reid to enter a no-frills, straight up tax cut on everyone making less than $250k and dare the GOP to filibuster a tax cut for 98% or Americans.


The Republicans attached a new "chained" formula for calculating the COLA for Social Security, which Democrats are calling a "poison pill" and a non-starter. So there's a good chance Obama's plan is the one we'll get.
 
2012-12-30 03:57:24 PM  
What's "GOV"? Mispelled "GOP"? Or "Gov"?

"Gov" is a little less clear, it's usually not in all-caps, plus most of the time it means "Governor" ...
 
2012-12-30 04:01:57 PM  
Put them on commission.
 
2012-12-30 04:03:04 PM  
Does anybody have the website that this fight is streaming on? I really want to see it, but I don't have cable.
 
2012-12-30 04:04:47 PM  
If the defense and safety net cuts are off the table and there is no debt ceiling crap...what the hell is there to compromise on?

Why would the democrats agree to full renewal of the Bush tax cuts if there is nothing for them to gain?

The GOP can agree to raise the rates for the top two/three tax brackets, or they can stuff it.
 
2012-12-30 04:06:45 PM  
What would John Galt do, motherfarkers!
 
2012-12-30 04:09:39 PM  

Sergio_Van_Lukenstein: Does anybody have the website that this fight is streaming on? I really want to see it, but I don't have cable.


lubeupgop.com
 
2012-12-30 04:10:05 PM  
Regardless of what side you support, it has been a long farking time since Mitch McConnell out maneuvered Harry Reid.
 
2012-12-30 04:10:22 PM  
Seize the money.
 
2012-12-30 04:10:47 PM  
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2012-12-30 04:12:18 PM  
Apparently negotiations in the Senate have ground to a halt.

Less than 36 hours before the new year, when the Bush tax cuts are scheduled to expire, budget negotiations on Capitol Hill ground to a halt, and an increasingly restless Mitch McConnell - the Senate Minority Leader - enlisted the help of Vice President Joe Biden to resolve the remaining differences between Democrats and Republicans over whether and how to avoid the fiscal cliff.

McConnell's gesture suggests a desire to avoid an uncomfortable New Year's Eve conundrum. If he and Biden come up empty, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has pledged to introduce legislation that would extend the Bush tax cuts for income up to $250,000, extend emergency unemployment benefits and protect millions of middle class taxpayers from having to pay the Alternative Minimum Tax. McConnell and Senate Republicans would then have to decide whether to mount a filibuster, and bear responsibility for the economic impact of across the board tax increases and spending cuts next year, or allow the legislation to pass on a majority rules basis, and pass the measure over to House Speaker John Boehner.

Negotiations broke down Sunday after McConnell pressed Reid to include in a year-end deal a provision that would re-index Social Security payments to a less generous measurement of inflation called chained CPI. Dems say including Social Security cuts in a deal that doesn't increase the debt limit is a non-starter.
 
2012-12-30 04:15:02 PM  
GOP is against helping the disabled.
 
2012-12-30 04:17:37 PM  

Autistic Hiker: Negotiations broke down Sunday after McConnell pressed Reid to include in a year-end deal a provision that would re-index Social Security payments to a less generous measurement of inflation called chained CPI. Dems say including Social Security cuts in a deal that doesn't increase the debt limit is a non-starter.


Wait...all of this stupid bullcrap and it still doesn't include an increase of the debt ceiling?

Seriously, fark all of this nonsense, the GOP needs to stop with their little BS games and act like grown adults for once in their sad miserable lives.
 
2012-12-30 04:18:32 PM  

namatad: The original sequester plan WAS the compromise.


Seriously, wasn't it something they voted for? Something they helped create? Now they act like "OMG ITZ THE END OF THE USA WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE BECAUSE OF OUR BROWN PRESIDENT!!!"

Christ... I'm bout ready to say fark it, let the sequester happen. They signed off on it how long ago, had how long to come up with a goddamn budget, and they still don't have one? Farking really? As a taxpayer, I have to ask, why are these assholes getting paid? They continuously fail to make a budget. If I had a job responsibility that included "making sure out finances are in order and ensuring we can pay the bills", and I fail to do so repeatedly, I'd be fired. Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?
 
2012-12-30 04:19:45 PM  

RoxtarRyan: namatad: The original sequester plan WAS the compromise.

Seriously, wasn't it something they voted for? Something they helped create? Now they act like "OMG ITZ THE END OF THE USA WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE BECAUSE OF OUR BROWN PRESIDENT!!!"

Christ... I'm bout ready to say fark it, let the sequester happen. They signed off on it how long ago, had how long to come up with a goddamn budget, and they still don't have one? Farking really? As a taxpayer, I have to ask, why are these assholes getting paid? They continuously fail to make a budget. If I had a job responsibility that included "making sure out finances are in order and ensuring we can pay the bills", and I fail to do so repeatedly, I'd be fired. Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?


*Slow clap*
 
2012-12-30 04:19:46 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?


Republicans. The common clay of the new West. You know. Morons.
 
2012-12-30 04:22:27 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?


well, see, you're under the impression that 'doing their job' is either legislating, leading, or even just maintaining the machine so it keeps running.

picture for a minute that the job description is instead 'spiting the libs'. then they get a check-plus-plus on their evaluation.

in other words, it's a damn near religious doctrine for a section of the populace that government is the problem, so sending people to do the job that are allergic to governing actually makes sense.
 
2012-12-30 04:22:41 PM  
So all the defense cuts go into place, all of the Bush tax cuts evaporate and all the GOP gets in return is an opportunity to vote against reinstating the tax cuts for 98% of Americans if it means unemployed people get to eat and our credit rating isn't destroyed?

Did the GOP subcontract out the hiring of their chief negotiators to a mental institution or something?
 
2012-12-30 04:24:18 PM  
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For many months this has been the inevitable endgame following the ridiculous, self-inflicted wound the GOP orchestrated during the completely fabricated debt limit fight. They started a fight over literally nothing, they misled their supporters about what the debt limit even is, they got our credit rating downgraded and damaged the economy. And now, after getting taken to the cleaners during the last election, they are going to get kicked in the balls. We've known for a long time exactly how this is going to play out, but the GOP is so fractured and aimless that they couldn't do anything to stop it.
 
2012-12-30 04:24:29 PM  
I'm hoping for a Thelma and Louise ending to the fiscal cliff

baltimorepostexaminer.com
/I want it to happen so damn badly
 
2012-12-30 04:26:09 PM  

diaphoresis: I'm hoping for a Thelma and Louise ending to the fiscal cliff

[baltimorepostexaminer.com image 490x246]
/I want it to happen so damn badly


It'll happen, most likely, but instead of going off a cliff, imagine a slow slope that takes a full year to reach the bottom, and can be entirely overturned by retro-active legislation by the next congress.
 
2012-12-30 04:38:26 PM  

BalugaJoe: GOP is against helping the disabled.


The gop is in favor of feeding the poor.

www.trbimg.com

They just won't say who to.
 
2012-12-30 04:44:04 PM  

RoxtarRyan: namatad: The original sequester plan WAS the compromise.

Seriously, wasn't it something they voted for? Something they helped create? Now they act like "OMG ITZ THE END OF THE USA WE'RE ALL GUNNA DIE BECAUSE OF OUR BROWN PRESIDENT!!!"

Christ... I'm bout ready to say fark it, let the sequester happen. They signed off on it how long ago, had how long to come up with a goddamn budget, and they still don't have one? Farking really? As a taxpayer, I have to ask, why are these assholes getting paid? They continuously fail to make a budget. If I had a job responsibility that included "making sure out finances are in order and ensuring we can pay the bills", and I fail to do so repeatedly, I'd be fired. Who the fark keeps going to the voting booth and saying "sure, let's keep these asshats in office and pay them six figure incomes so they can continue to not do their job"?


I was thinking the first part earlier this week myself. Sooo...the legislation leading to the fiscal cliff was a horribly bad idea? Well, I guess we need to figure out who was responsible for it. Oh, the same morons that are always whining about everything? Fantastic.
 
2012-12-30 04:44:25 PM  
Welcome everyone to the fight.

Tonight's ticket has Mitch "the Turtle" McConnell trying to put a hard shell of protection up against the man that knows how to hold'em, Harry "the Gambler" Reid!
 
2012-12-30 04:45:27 PM  
Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.
 
2012-12-30 05:06:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.


Problem with this is that they won't get to vote in tax cuts for their buddies, the 1%. Those are the guys who fund them and their crusade against America. If they let all the tax cuts expire they'll have to fight hard to get them back past Obama and that'll look incredibly bad to average voting Americans.
 
2012-12-30 05:09:47 PM  

wax_on: Mad_Radhu: Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.

Problem with this is that they won't get to vote in tax cuts for their buddies, the 1%. Those are the guys who fund them and their crusade against America. If they let all the tax cuts expire they'll have to fight hard to get them back past Obama and that'll look incredibly bad to average voting Americans.


That really is the best part. Basically the GOP will have to kiss Obama's ring to get what Obama wants anyway.
 
2012-12-30 05:15:07 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.


You are underestimating just how much the GOP wants to suck off the 1% (and just how much their voting base agrees with it)
 
2012-12-30 05:15:31 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Nothing will get accomplished besides posturing until after Jan 1st. I knew that this would be true as soon as someone pointed out that if the GOP waits for the tax cuts to expire, then they can simply vote for newer smaller tax cuts, which lets the government raise more revenue while the GOP can claim that they never voted for tax increases. That's the beauty of those sunset provisions, it gives them an out if taxes need to be raised without them having to worry about another "read my lips" moment.


That still seems like a tough sell. It's not a given that the tax cuts will be reinstated, particulalry because it will give the President even more leverage to ask for a multi year raising of the debt ceiling to get them through and the GOP is clearly....well, insane.

Also, there are dairy subsidy issues at hand too (the so-called "dairy cliff") and no Republican wants to have moms pissed at them because a gallon of milk shoots to $9 while Congress is enjoying their New Year's parties.
 
2012-12-30 05:16:44 PM  

namatad: If McConnell or Republicans did filibuster the Reid plan, it would allow Democrats to blame GOP leadership for blocking a resolution to the fiscal cliff.

Just do this and be done already. WHAT is it with all the farking around?
You KNOW that the GOP wont deal, so FARK THEM.


please, before you hurt yourself, consider that you are unaware of all the facts, this is why you're confused.
 
2012-12-30 05:33:50 PM  

Notabunny: nmrsnr: Obama has as much as said that if we pass Jan. 1 without a compromise he's going to ask Reid to enter a no-frills, straight up tax cut on everyone making less than $250k and dare the GOP to filibuster a tax cut for 98% or Americans.

The Republicans attached a new "chained" formula for calculating the COLA for Social Security, which Democrats are calling a "poison pill" and a non-starter. So there's a good chance Obama's plan is the one we'll get.


the chained formula sucks. why the fark do SS recipients, who get screwed on COLA as it is, have to get double screwed? damn Obama hasn't even got his second inauguration and he's pissing me off again.
 
2012-12-30 05:41:01 PM  
The Republican party cannot be blamed for not planning for the current "fiscal cliff" situation. They did, in fact, have a sound strategy for handling it: have Mr. Mitt Romney elected President and have their party regain control of the Senate, which would then have allowed them to completely reverse all of the elements of the "cliff" that they found undesirable (such as the expiration of tax cuts for income brackets above $250,000 and cuts to defense spending) while retaining the elements that they found acceptable (such as expiration of tax cuts to income brackets below $250,000 and cuts to any social services). The voters of the United States then sabotaged this plan on November 6 by re-electing President Barack Obama and by allowing the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.

When Representative John Boehner stated that he received 98% of what their party wanted from the 2011 "debt ceiling" negotiations, it was predicated upon the assumption that President Obama would lose his re-election bid. As such, the fault of this current situation actually falls upon President Obama for having the poor judgment to be re-elected.
 
2012-12-30 05:44:10 PM  

OneBrightMonkey: Also, there are dairy subsidy issues at hand too (the so-called "dairy cliff")


and some veterans bills and some other must have stuff. all put off to apply pressure to the fiscal side and now that it isn't all hell is going to break loose.

i live in LA and if i had the money i'd buy the state party email list and send each and everyone of them a snarky email.
 
2012-12-30 05:48:06 PM  

Curious: the chained formula sucks. why the fark do SS recipients, who get screwed on COLA as it is, have to get double screwed? damn Obama hasn't even got his second inauguration and he's pissing me off again.


He's saying if we go over the cliff we WON'T do that.
 
2012-12-30 05:51:20 PM  
hell yeah! fark rich white people!
 
2012-12-30 05:53:25 PM  

Dimensio: The Republican party cannot be blamed for not planning for the current "fiscal cliff" situation. They did, in fact, have a sound strategy for handling it: have Mr. Mitt Romney elected President and have their party regain control of the Senate, which would then have allowed them to completely reverse all of the elements of the "cliff" that they found undesirable (such as the expiration of tax cuts for income brackets above $250,000 and cuts to defense spending) while retaining the elements that they found acceptable (such as expiration of tax cuts to income brackets below $250,000 and cuts to any social services). The voters of the United States then sabotaged this plan on November 6 by re-electing President Barack Obama and by allowing the Democrats to retain control of the Senate.

When Representative John Boehner stated that he received 98% of what their party wanted from the 2011 "debt ceiling" negotiations, it was predicated upon the assumption that President Obama would lose his re-election bid. As such, the fault of this current situation actually falls upon President Obama for having the poor judgment to be re-elected.


The sad thing is that you're not far from the truth. They really did invest all of their political capital into Romney getting elected and the GOP taking back the Senate and now that they got neither, they're left hanging and looking like complete idiots.
 
2012-12-30 06:02:45 PM  

BalugaJoe: GOP is against helping the disabled.


I dunno man, helping the disabled really farks with darwinism
 
2012-12-30 06:03:49 PM  

Curious: OneBrightMonkey: Also, there are dairy subsidy issues at hand too (the so-called "dairy cliff")

and some veterans bills and some other must have stuff. all put off to apply pressure to the fiscal side and now that it isn't all hell is going to break loose.

i live in LA and if i had the money i'd buy the state party email list and send each and everyone of them a snarky email.


You reminded me...the Medicare Doc Fix still needs to be dealt with too or reimbursement rates drop like 25-30%.

And Geithner said we will reach our borrowing limit in about 24 hours.

At least once this is sorted out there's nothing contentious on the docket for 2013, like immigration reform and gun restrictions.
 
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