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(Deadline)   The Hobbit passes the $600 million mark, reigning supreme at the box office. Django Unchained takes second with $31 million, and the movie about the bread crumbles to third   (deadline.com) divider line 85
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2012-12-30 06:07:36 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Of course in the actual Hobbit book there was no reference to this and the Eagles were portrayed as being potentially wicked, evil creatures.


Except for Joe Walsh.
 
2012-12-30 06:10:26 PM
I watched the Rankin Bass version of The Hobbit again the other day. From what I've heard it's better than Jackson's abomination.

/The greaaaaaaaaa-test ad-ven-tuuuure
 
2012-12-30 06:11:14 PM
I was afraid Hobbit was going to drag, but it kept my attention and looked great. I will say that if that's the best that 3D can do, then I'll continue to only watch 2D movies. I only saw the 3D to see what the 48fps looked like, which was a little weird at first but was fine the rest of the time.

As for Les Mis:

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2012-12-30 06:13:03 PM

MacWizard: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Of course in the actual Hobbit book there was no reference to this and the Eagles were portrayed as being potentially wicked, evil creatures.

Except for Joe Walsh.


lol
 
2012-12-30 06:27:08 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: snowshovel:
Hvaing said that, i thought the the change in movie where they had ValJean push Javert off the bridge made the whole life-long pursuit of ValJean much more reasonable.

What movie did you see?


In my area, they are running Les Mis like the movie "Clue" did in the theatres. We saw the "Ending B" version.

Also, the victory march of the Revolutionaries was glorious.
 
2012-12-30 06:35:16 PM
I really loved Django. As QT movies go, I'd only put it behind Pulp Fiction. Fantastic performances from everyone involved. Although I will say that the film needed more Leo, as his character was amazing and I think he should have been the last, final, most-deserved death (though Jackson's character getting this role, especially after that speech given to Django about what the rest of his life will be, wasn't a bad choice).
 
2012-12-30 06:38:18 PM

Mad_Radhu: NeoCortex42: mialynneb: Also - I really love Christoph Waltz.

After Inglorious Basterds and now Django, I'll check out anything Christoph Waltz shows up in. The fact that he's starring in a Terry Gilliam Sci-Fi movie coming out next year has me really excited.

Just stay the fark away from The Green Hornet. Even he couldn't save that piece of crap, which is disappointing because Eternal Sunshine is such a good movie.


I do agree that Waltz and Gondry's talents were wasted on The Green Hornet, but I thought it was pretty funny otherwise.
 
2012-12-30 06:54:28 PM

PIP_the_TROLL: Plant Rights Activist: I am seriously starting to hate those deus ex machina giant eagles.

It's very fitting that you should refer to them in that manner since that is quite literally what they are. They are direct agents of Heaven on Middle Earth, and like all divine processes they operate according to God's plans, not man's. So in that respect any intervention at all is a boon not to be questioned - especially concerning the lengths or convenience of that intervention.

But yeah, woulda been nice if they'd flown them a little closer ;)


The Lord of the Rings movies are full of deus ex machina.

"Hey, it's a big battle and we're getting our ass kicked! Wait! there's some elves coming over the hill, we're saved!"

"Hey, it's a big battle and we're getting our ass kicked! Wait, there's this army of the undead I had stored in my ass, we're saved!"

"Hey, Sauroman is...oh he's dead. That's in the deleted scenes."

"Hey, we're dying here on this volcano! Might as well suck each other off like we've been talking about! Wait, here's some eagles to carry us to safety? Why didn't they just....nevermind. We're saved!"
 
2012-12-30 07:42:19 PM

Mugato: PIP_the_TROLL: Plant Rights Activist: I am seriously starting to hate those deus ex machina giant eagles.

It's very fitting that you should refer to them in that manner since that is quite literally what they are. They are direct agents of Heaven on Middle Earth, and like all divine processes they operate according to God's plans, not man's. So in that respect any intervention at all is a boon not to be questioned - especially concerning the lengths or convenience of that intervention.

But yeah, woulda been nice if they'd flown them a little closer ;)

The Lord of the Rings movies are full of deus ex machina.

"Hey, it's a big battle and we're getting our ass kicked! Wait! there's some elves coming over the hill, we're saved!"

"Hey, it's a big battle and we're getting our ass kicked! Wait, there's this army of the undead I had stored in my ass, we're saved!"

"Hey, Sauroman is...oh he's dead. That's in the deleted scenes."

"Hey, we're dying here on this volcano! Might as well suck each other off like we've been talking about! Wait, here's some eagles to carry us to safety? Why didn't they just....nevermind. We're saved!"


Your point is not wrong, but in the book this was handled much better. The army of the dead never showed up at Minas Tirith at all, they lifted the siege of Pelargir, and Gondorian forces from that city sailed north to Minas Tirith. I'm also upset that they didn't depict the Rohirrim dismount and form a shield wall. I also always thought the wide shots of the orcs lined up in nice neat rectangles was silly.
 
2012-12-30 07:56:35 PM

miniflea: Your point is not wrong, but in the book this was handled much better. The army of the dead never showed up at Minas Tirith at all, they lifted the siege of Pelargir, and Gondorian forces from that city sailed north to Minas Tirith. I'm also upset that they didn't depict the Rohirrim dismount and form a shield wall. I also always thought the wide shots of the orcs lined up in nice neat rectangles was silly.


Well it's like the fate of Sauroman. There was a lot of stuff left as required reading to the books. Not that I'm saying they aren't well made films, I couldn't do any better. Maybe.
 
2012-12-30 08:16:23 PM
If you haven't seen Les Mis yet, SEE IT, if for no other reason then Anne Hathaway's Dream a Dream. I don't get emotional at movies, that's what I have a wife for. But damn if that didn't move me.

Although you can't see her sing, here is a link to her singing it.
 
2012-12-30 08:24:09 PM
I just got back from the hobbit. It was pretty great. And no I've never read the book, but it worked as a movie. It's just a different pace than LOTR.
 
2012-12-30 08:31:31 PM
I saw Les Mis, and I didn't really like it all that much. Even though I love musicals, I did not enjoy this.

I think I may like it more on a second viewing. Perhaps I didn't like it because 1. I never saw the play and 2. I went to a 10:40 show and spent 2 of the 3 hours just trying to stay awake.
 
2012-12-30 09:06:30 PM

Mugato: "Hey, it's a big battle and we're getting our ass kicked! Wait, there's this army of the undead I had stored in my ass, we're saved!"


So it's more of a deus ex culus then?
 
2012-12-30 10:26:06 PM

Mugato: miniflea: Your point is not wrong, but in the book this was handled much better. The army of the dead never showed up at Minas Tirith at all, they lifted the siege of Pelargir, and Gondorian forces from that city sailed north to Minas Tirith. I'm also upset that they didn't depict the Rohirrim dismount and form a shield wall. I also always thought the wide shots of the orcs lined up in nice neat rectangles was silly.

Well it's like the fate of Sauroman. There was a lot of stuff left as required reading to the books. Not that I'm saying they aren't well made films, I couldn't do any better. Maybe.


I can sit around and nitpick all the little things I would have liked to be different, but at the end of the day I love the films. Maybe someone could have done better than Jackson, but I think the vast majority would have done far worse. I am aware that as someone knowledgeable about the books I see the films differently than someone who has never read them though.
 
2012-12-30 11:10:45 PM
Read the Hobbit, loved it. Saw the Hobbit, also loved it. I remembered lines from the book during certain scenes, and at the same time felt like I was watching a D&D game.

My favorite sequence has to be the storm giant battle.
 
2012-12-31 12:33:05 AM
Yeah, well, Les Miz performed a lot better than Subby's mom on Opening Legs Night. So take THAT.
 
2012-12-31 01:37:58 AM

texdent:
When Django kills the sister from upstairs and she goes flying into the next room. I kept trying to figure out how that was possible.


The film is designed to be an Italian western. They were sort of the John Woo movies of the mid-20th century, realism was not usually the highest priority (with a few exceptions, the Clint Eastwood ones toned down the craziness of the action scenes a bit).

The specific movie on which the Tarantino flick was based, Django, had action scenes usually described as outright surreal.

So... basically what's bothering you is intentional, and it's actually stranger that you missed the other 80% of the movie that's essentially throwing the bird at physics as it speeds by on a neon plaid rocket-bear toward Alpha Centauri. Maybe you watch too many '90s action movies and have become desensitized.
 
2012-12-31 01:47:34 AM
Saw Les Miserables today:

Nearly every song is a reprise, and Russel Crowe can't sing a single one of them.

If ever a musical needed a re-edit for movie form, this was it. They could have cut about an hour. Not every song in les mis is a gem.

At least on the stage there's an intermission.

/DJ was rather good, but again, a half-hour shorter wouldn't have hurt. Eliminating Quentin Tarantino's "Australian" cameo would have been first to go. It probably could have ended after the first big bloody house battle or alternatively made that fight shorter. How many hillbillies? Infinite hillbillies.

//haven't seen the hobbit yet. it also sounds too damn long.
 
2012-12-31 02:00:27 AM

Brick-House: If you haven't seen Les Mis yet, SEE IT, if for no other reason then Anne Hathaway's Dream a Dream. I don't get emotional at movies, that's what I have a wife for. But damn if that didn't move me.


I honestly thought Susan Boyle's was more powerful.

Tax Boy: At least on the stage there's an intermission.


TRUTH. My wife loves Les Mis but didn't care for the film. I commented on the length and she pointed this fact out to me and it makes a ton of sense.
 
2012-12-31 02:05:01 AM

Gig103: Tax Boy: At least on the stage there's an intermission.

TRUTH. My wife loves Les Mis but didn't care for the film. I commented on the length and she pointed this fact out to me and it makes a ton of sense.


It also suffers from a common issue in musicals -- it's heavily front-loaded. There are almost no new songs after intermission (they're all reprises), which means that the last hour of the movie is zzzzzzzzz.
 
2012-12-31 04:21:22 AM

Tax Boy: Saw Les Miserables today:

Nearly every song is a reprise, and Russel Crowe can't sing a single one of them.

If ever a musical needed a re-edit for movie form, this was it. They could have cut about an hour. Not every song in les mis is a gem.

/DJ was rather good, but again, a half-hour shorter wouldn't have hurt. Eliminating Quentin Tarantino's "Australian" cameo would have been first to go. It probably could have ended after the first big bloody house battle or alternatively made that fight shorter. How many hillbillies? Infinite hillbillies.



Get out of my head
 
2012-12-31 05:34:17 AM

The Incredible Sexual Egg: Popcorn Johnny: Something I really didn't understand about Django was Dr Schultz's extreme reaction to being asked to shake Candy's hand.  Seemed like QT struggled to find a way to get the film the the place he wanted it to go.

Candy had an equally extreme reaction to Schultz not wanting to shake his hand. Schultz was either completely disgusted by him at that point and wanted nothing to do with him, or he suspected him of being up to no good.


I read it as Schultz always having all these big, elaborate plans and they always go perfectly, now here's one of his grand schemes that just went spectacularly to shiat, damn near getting himself and Django killed and Broomhilda maimed. He's sensible and far more enlightened than most of the people he deals with, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have an ego that just got beat to hell. Schultz is always the one who is a step ahead of everyone else and he just got seriously one-upped. He's embarrassed as can be as it is, and Candy's now trying to force him do another thing he doesn't want to do. Schultz is thinking that worst case scenario, Candy's going to pull some shenanigans to try to kill me; best case scenario, me going over there and shaking his hand is just going to be him getting the upper hand on me again. Either way, he just wanted to be out of the situation and finally did what he did to salvage what was left of his pride.
 
2012-12-31 10:10:21 AM
Django Unchained was off the Chain!!
 
2012-12-31 10:11:28 AM

duffblue: I don't have three hours to watch a bunch of people walk across New Zealand, I don't have three hours to listen to a bunch of pointless dialogue from a guy who had one good idea and stretched it over a multi-decade career and I definitely don't have three hours to watch a musical I have seen performed live. Did I get everything?



you need a couple of beers. take a break and think things over.
 
2012-12-31 10:13:42 AM

texdent: I saw Django...the D is silent...Unchained last night. The theater was packed. There was only one time I was taken out of the movie

Spoilers


When Django kills the sister from upstairs and she goes flying into the next room. I kept trying to figure out how that was possible.



it isn't. that it Tarantino, my friend. he is using that prop to express the audiences pent up desire to see that biatch being blown into the next room.

don't take it literally. it would take a grenade launcher to do it in real life.
 
2012-12-31 10:17:04 AM

Popcorn Johnny: Django



his best since Pulp Fiction, imo.
 
2012-12-31 11:03:55 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Bill Frist: PIP_the_TROLL: Plant Rights Activist: I am seriously starting to hate those deus ex machina giant eagles.

It's very fitting that you should refer to them in that manner since that is quite literally what they are. They are direct agents of Heaven on Middle Earth, and like all divine processes they operate according to God's plans, not man's. So in that respect any intervention at all is a boon not to be questioned - especially concerning the lengths or convenience of that intervention.

But yeah, woulda been nice if they'd flown them a little closer ;)

I think you are confusing the eagles with the wizards

The Eagles are agents of Manwe. The wizards' origin is less clear but could be from Iluvatar.

Of course in the actual Hobbit book there was no reference to this and the Eagles were portrayed as being potentially wicked, evil creatures.


IIRC the wizards were archangels in the Silmarillion.

Really wanted to to like this movie, but the later battles came across like 'John Carter and the Temple of Doom.' During those scenes, the thought kept coming to me that I hated it. The council scene wanted to be beautiful and intelligent, but was not. Also, Radagast switches personality abruptly.

Benedict Cumberbatch had billing as the necromancer, but no lines that I could remember.

/Never enough Cate Blanchett in these movies.
 
2012-12-31 11:38:10 AM
Thought The Hobbit was great. Far better than those boring LotR movies.
 
2012-12-31 12:30:47 PM

NeoCortex42: .


Popcorn Johnny: .


brigid_fitch: The handshake scene works either way. I also thought that D'Artagnan being ripped apart was obviously going to haunt him forever, so Schultz decided that dying wouldn't be all that awful, after all. So, why not take out Candie while he had the chance? No matter which way you read that scene, Schultz realized he wasn't getting out alive.



here's a link from earlier. QT addresses the handshake. it's interesting to have the "hero" act like a typical bond villain.
 
2012-12-31 02:35:06 PM
Not that it matters, but I thought The hobbit was great. I only looked at my watch once in the 3 hours it took to complete. Suck it haters.
 
2012-12-31 03:19:30 PM
To the surprise of absolutely no nerds anywhere. We tried to tell you people this move would be huge.
 
2012-12-31 03:33:38 PM

Mugato: PIP_the_TROLL: Plant Rights Activist: I am seriously starting to hate those deus ex machina giant eagles.

It's very fitting that you should refer to them in that manner since that is quite literally what they are. They are direct agents of Heaven on Middle Earth, and like all divine processes they operate according to God's plans, not man's. So in that respect any intervention at all is a boon not to be questioned - especially concerning the lengths or convenience of that intervention.

But yeah, woulda been nice if they'd flown them a little closer ;)

The Lord of the Rings movies are full of deus ex machina.

"Hey, it's a big battle and we're getting our ass kicked! Wait! there's some elves coming over the hill, we're saved!"

"Hey, it's a big battle and we're getting our ass kicked! Wait, there's this army of the undead I had stored in my ass, we're saved!"

"Hey, Sauroman is...oh he's dead. That's in the deleted scenes."

"Hey, we're dying here on this volcano! Might as well suck each other off like we've been talking about! Wait, here's some eagles to carry us to safety? Why didn't they just....nevermind. We're saved!"


Hey! I'm a fan of the books and the movies and this... was funny. +1 to you sir.
 
2012-12-31 08:22:34 PM

duffblue: I don't have three hours to watch a bunch of people walk across New Zealand, I don't have three hours to listen to a bunch of pointless dialogue from a guy who had one good idea and stretched it over a multi-decade career and I definitely don't have three hours to watch a musical I have seen performed live. Did I get everything?


You have to been at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2013-01-01 02:26:13 AM
I liked the Hobbit overall, but a couple of the scenes (giants, the Wild Platform Ride) pushed believability too far. Whether or not Gandalf is there with you, if you're on a platform suspended hundreds of feet above solid rock, and that thing lets go, you gonna die.

As for Les Miserables, I'm a huge fan of the musical, and the movie worked for me almost 100%. Yes, Russell Crowe didn't bring operatic tone, but I wasn't off-put by his singing, and he was otherwise so convincing in the role that I wouldn't replace him if I could. Frankly, I thought Jackman went a touch too far in the other direction - his vibrato went beyond most of the other voices I've heard in that role, including Colm Wilkinson's. And SBC convinced me, beyond all remaining doubt, that he is pure acting genius. I'm glad they didn't cut more out, and was incredibly moved by the experience.

Wasn't planning to go see DJ, but I think I will now based on the comments.
 
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