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(NPR)   Guess which historical figure Karl Rove is invoking to try and keep his PAC donors secret: A) Ronald Reagan; B) George Washington; C) Rosa Parks   (npr.org) divider line 59
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2012-12-30 09:37:42 AM  
Right, keeping the identities of people who are getting firebombed secret is the same as keeping rich donors identities secret.
 
2012-12-30 10:20:11 AM  
Does that mean we can force Karl Rove to sit on the back of the bus?

/Haha, like he'd ever be on a bus, silly me!
 
2012-12-30 10:21:23 AM  
You have a right to become politically active, and other people have the right to discredit you. If you're afraid of your character and your past being used against you, then don't become politically active. Pretty simple, really.
 
2012-12-30 10:54:58 AM  
All Karl is saying, is that few people appreciate the troubles and frustrations of the fabulously wealthy.
 
2012-12-30 11:10:17 AM  
Why would they have to reveal everything? Why is it anyone's business? Why are we still talking about Rove two months after the election?
 
2012-12-30 11:12:16 AM  

duffblue: Why are we still talking about Rove two months after the election?


Rove doesn't exactly run the GOP, but damn close to it.
 
2012-12-30 11:19:22 AM  
Aw. Hush that fuss.
 
2012-12-30 11:25:13 AM  

duffblue: Why would they have to reveal everything? Why is it anyone's business? Why are we still talking about Rove two months after the election?


I think you know the answer to the third query: When a craven lobbyist/purported kingmaker has a meltdown on live television the likes of which have never been seen or even imagined, and is now regarded as a national laughing stock for the foreseeable future....Need I say more?
 
2012-12-30 11:30:16 AM  
Rove's group Crossroads GPS was a leader in the secret fundraising. He says that the disclosure advocates have a hidden agenda.

Wait...the people who want to know who is secretly giving assloads of money to political campaign have a hidden agenda?

Not the shadow donors...but the people who want to shed light on the process have a "hidden agenda?"

That is some hardcore Jedi mind trickery right there.
 
2012-12-30 11:35:59 AM  

duffblue: Why would they have to reveal everything? Why is it anyone's business? Why are we still talking about Rove two months after the election?


They don't have to reveal everything, just the names of the donors and the amounts they donated. Why is it anyone's business? They made it everyone's business by spending hundreds of millions of dollars putting it on our televisions. We're still talking about it because the douchebag himself is still talking about it.
 
2012-12-30 12:15:30 PM  
No no no. Rove, listen carefully. Rosa was required by social conservatives to be at the back of the bus. You are being required by social conservatives to be under the bus. Big difference.
 
2012-12-30 12:24:35 PM  

Kome: No no no. Rove, listen carefully. Rosa was required by social conservatives to be at the back of the bus. You are being required by social conservatives to be under the bus. Big difference.


I would require him to perform an oil change on the bus while it's moving, but that's just me.

/ People like that bag of shiat are the reason that Rosa Parks needed to be courageous in the first place.

// Sometimes it would be nice to be outside of civilized society for JUST ONE MINUTE, maybe a minute and a half, so that this prick could get the colossal beatdown that, by rights, ought to come his way every day of the year.
 
2012-12-30 12:26:34 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Rove's group Crossroads GPS was a leader in the secret fundraising. He says that the disclosure advocates have a hidden agenda.

Wait...the people who want to know who is secretly giving assloads of money to political campaign have a hidden agenda?

Not the shadow donors...but the people who want to shed light on the process have a "hidden agenda?"

That is some hardcore Jedi mind trickery right there.


Typical Rove, though. Accuse your enemies of having your biggest fault. Only works in one election, apparently.
 
2012-12-30 12:27:11 PM  
You have a constitutional right to free speech, including protecting your anonymity.

Conversely, the Constitution does not recognize a right to anonymously buy and monopolize limited public resources (e.g. the airwaves) to propagandize or promote your ideology..
 
2012-12-30 12:28:05 PM  
Rove is human garbage. Maybe the next time Limbaugh and Krauthammer get together for penis time they can lube up ham head and stuff him feet first into Rush's massive asshole make believe Rush's asshole is birthing an asshole.


I'm hungover, fark you.
 
2012-12-30 12:29:02 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-30 12:29:20 PM  
Party

Above

Country

/That is all.
 
2012-12-30 12:31:17 PM  
"They say it's essential to safeguard donors from harassment and intimidation."

In much the way wearing a robe and hood protects Klansmen from harassment and intimidation.
 
2012-12-30 12:31:28 PM  
What a filthy little Turd Blossom he is.
 
2012-12-30 12:31:35 PM  
So if Rove whistles at a white boy, will they do an Emmett Till on him?
 
2012-12-30 12:32:34 PM  
Republicans want to be safe from intimidation. The Irony Tag just had a heart attack.
 
2012-12-30 12:33:02 PM  
Since when is the GOP a dissident group?
 
2012-12-30 12:34:37 PM  
How the hell do civil rights and criminal activity become one and the same? Fark you, Rove.
 
2012-12-30 12:35:44 PM  
Karl Rove is a Taint. Rosa Parks was a secular Saint, so they have the last four letters in their area of notability in common. That Rove invokes her name and the whole Civil Rights Era and Non profit Laws to protect his actions from being disclosed only goes to my original point. He is a Taint.
 
2012-12-30 12:36:03 PM  

maniacbastard: Rove is human garbage. Maybe the next time Limbaugh and Krauthammer get together for penis time they can lube up ham head and stuff him feet first into Rush's massive asshole make believe Rush's asshole is birthing an asshole.


I'm hungover, fark you.


How would you know if it's Rove or a pilonidal cyst?
 
2012-12-30 12:36:57 PM  

shanrick: maniacbastard: Rove is human garbage. Maybe the next time Limbaugh and Krauthammer get together for penis time they can lube up ham head and stuff him feet first into Rush's massive asshole make believe Rush's asshole is birthing an asshole.


I'm hungover, fark you.

How would you know if it's Rove or a pilonidal cyst?


Pilondial cysts don't squeal?
 
2012-12-30 12:37:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lionel Mandrake: Rove's group Crossroads GPS was a leader in the secret fundraising. He says that the disclosure advocates have a hidden agenda.

Wait...the people who want to know who is secretly giving assloads of money to political campaign have a hidden agenda?

Not the shadow donors...but the people who want to shed light on the process have a "hidden agenda?"

That is some hardcore Jedi mind trickery right there.

Typical Rove, though. Accuse your enemies of having your biggest fault. Only works in one election, apparently.


Two, if you can count on an assist from the Supreme Court.
 
2012-12-30 12:38:12 PM  
What a dildo.
 
2012-12-30 12:41:12 PM  

shanrick: maniacbastard: Rove is human garbage. Maybe the next time Limbaugh and Krauthammer get together for penis time they can lube up ham head and stuff him feet first into Rush's massive asshole make believe Rush's asshole is birthing an asshole.


I'm hungover, fark you.

How would you know if it's Rove or a pilonidal cyst?


Pilonidal cysts don't have the goddam common courtesy to give him a reach-around.

Karl is a very considerate lover.
 
2012-12-30 12:52:12 PM  
I always knew a poor black woman and a rich white man always had something in common. We finally have equality in America.
 
2012-12-30 12:52:22 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: You have a constitutional right to free speech, including protecting your anonymity.

Conversely, the Constitution does not recognize a right to anonymously buy and monopolize limited public resources (e.g. the airwaves) to propagandize or promote your ideology..


The anonymity part you imagine has not been upheld in several recent cases, notably in political campaigns advocating that gays and lesbians be excluded from the legal protections of marriage.
 
2012-12-30 12:54:23 PM  
FTFA The court said they had no right to secrecy. Justice Antonin Scalia was scathing: "Running a democracy takes a certain amount of civic courage. And the First Amendment does not protect you from criticism, or even nasty phone calls."

when Scalia is against you on this you might as well pack it up and go home.
 
2012-12-30 12:55:14 PM  
I wish that he'd kept the identity of his mentor a secret.

/Whole family is embarrassed by that.
 
2012-12-30 12:57:00 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Rove's group Crossroads GPS was a leader in the secret fundraising. He says that the disclosure advocates have a hidden agenda.

Wait...the people who want to know who is secretly giving assloads of money to political campaign have a hidden agenda?

Not the shadow donors...but the people who want to shed light on the process have a "hidden agenda?"

That is some hardcore Jedi mind trickery right there.


Wow. I totally missed that. wow.
 
2012-12-30 12:58:13 PM  

clambam: "They say it's essential to safeguard donors from harassment and intimidation."

In much the way wearing a robe and hood protects Klansmen from harassment and intimidation.


Awesome analogy
 
2012-12-30 12:59:49 PM  
"We've got to be careful about calling things when we have like 991 vote separating the two candidates and a quarter of the vote left to count."

Well yeah, Karl, seeing how you pretty much bankrolled Romney in Ohio.
 
2012-12-30 01:01:16 PM  

shanrick: How would you know if it's Rove or a pilonidal cyst?


If it oozes puss and filth then falls out it is Rove, if it hurts like a sumbiatch and stays put it is a cyst.
 
2012-12-30 01:05:03 PM  
If billionaires need additional protection, they can afford to hire armed guards.
 
2012-12-30 01:06:35 PM  

abb3w: If billionaires need additional protection, they can afford to hire armed guards.


And they can buy poor toddlers and skin their forearms to use as condoms.

\lil fingy tickler.
 
2012-12-30 01:11:51 PM  
Frankly, if disclosure of the source of donations was required in all cases you'd see a huge change in the progress of elections, because people may support something but not enough to be associated with it, and sometimes people will change their position if they know who's actually going to be benefiting. Ballot propositions are the worst with this right now, with the sponsor usually able to name it whatever they want, often diametrically opposite or unrelated to what the proposition actually does, then bankrolling it using random PACs with uplifting sounding names.

In Maryland, the huge ad campaign against the gambling bill was bankrolled by happy-sounding PACs with names like Supporting Education in Maryland and Citizens for Responsible Gaming and the like - with nearly 100% of the money coming from casinos in neighboring states that would lose out if the bill passed. Whether one is for or against the proposition, people should be able to freely see where that money is coming from and think "Why would an out of state casino be running ads saying that if you vote for this teachers get fired?". You had that guy in Michigan I think it was pushing a proposition to prevent a bridge from being built because he had a monopoly on tolls on the current one.

While getting all the money out of politics would be good, I don't see it happening. But full disclosure - not being able to hide behind PACs - I think would have a profound effect.
 
2012-12-30 01:29:34 PM  
blog.nj.com

No rich old white guy has ever gotten anywhere with me comparing himself to Rosa Parks.
 
2012-12-30 01:35:11 PM  

abb3w: If billionaires need additional protection, they can afford to hire armed guards.


If it's good enough for our schoolchildren....
 
2012-12-30 01:36:03 PM  

HighOnCraic: No rich old white guy has ever gotten anywhere with me comparing himself to Rosa Parks.


Awesome reference. Well played.
 
2012-12-30 02:20:20 PM  
i48.tinypic.com..
 
2012-12-30 02:59:15 PM  
These guys want to influence the national agenda but they also want you to still buy their crappy chicken and pizza.
 
2012-12-30 04:10:15 PM  
The only reason that these millionaire donors want to keep these donations private is because they are afraid of backlash against their companies from consumers, similar to the one against Target when it came to light that they donated heavily to anti marriage equality organizations. In other words, these millionaire donors are afraid of the free market at work.
 
2012-12-30 06:06:39 PM  
Carl Rove sits in the back of his limo every day, I suspect. I can see how they're pretty much the same.
 
2012-12-30 06:54:45 PM  
D) Satan
 
2012-12-30 08:56:15 PM  
I could see being worried about harassment for someone who gave ten bucks, or a hundred, to a PAC that was unpopular where they lived. And on the other hand, someone who can afford to donate a million can absolutely take care of themselves.

$2000 a year seems to be a good dividing line for me - it's the same as the hard cap on donations directly to a campaign. Or maybe $4K to cover the primary and general campaigns. If you have enough disposable income that you can afford to donate more to a PAC than you're even allowed to donate to a campaign, you've got the money and power to deal with the consequences.
 
2012-12-30 08:57:53 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: You have a right to become politically active, and other people have the right to discredit you. If you're afraid of your character and your past being used against you, then don't become politically active. Pretty simple, really.


Done in three.
 
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