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2012-12-30 01:20:07 AM  
Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.
 
2012-12-30 01:40:48 AM  

TheManofPA: Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.


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Q&D

 
2012-12-30 08:05:11 AM  
*sigh*
 
2012-12-30 09:34:18 AM  
I'm excited in a nasty, schadenfreude-esque way for Black Monday this year. It sounds like Schurmur*, Norv, Romeo, Gailey, Reid, and Mularky (sp?) are definite goners, and there are outside shots that Jason Garrett and Lovie could get the ax as well.

*Which surprises me... it's only his first year, and while 5-11 is a bad record, it's not Jacksonville/KC
 
2012-12-30 09:41:08 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: I'm excited in a nasty, schadenfreude-esque way for Black Monday this year. It sounds like Schurmur*, Norv, Romeo, Gailey, Reid, and Mularky (sp?) are definite goners, and there are outside shots that Jason Garrett and Lovie could get the ax as well.

*Which surprises me... it's only his first year, and while 5-11 is a bad record, it's not Jacksonville/KC


Garrett got a vote of approval within the last few days, and Lovie...if he ever had a real OC or a QB that CAAAARED, that team might be dangerous.  Feel bad for Romeo though, kind of a dick move to fire someone who tried to save a player only to see him off himself.
 
2012-12-30 09:43:25 AM  

FriarReb98: Incorrigible Astronaut: I'm excited in a nasty, schadenfreude-esque way for Black Monday this year. It sounds like Schurmur*, Norv, Romeo, Gailey, Reid, and Mularky (sp?) are definite goners, and there are outside shots that Jason Garrett and Lovie could get the ax as well.

*Which surprises me... it's only his first year, and while 5-11 is a bad record, it's not Jacksonville/KC

Garrett got a vote of approval within the last few days, and Lovie...if he ever had a real OC or a QB that CAAAARED, that team might be dangerous.  Feel bad for Romeo though, kind of a dick move to fire someone who tried to save a player only to see him off himself.


He's also two plays away from having an 0-16 team, so... yeah.

Great person, terrible head coach. I would be completely fine with the new HC and GM retaining him as a d-coordinator.
 
2012-12-30 09:43:45 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: I'm excited in a nasty, schadenfreude-esque way for Black Monday this year. It sounds like Schurmur*, Norv, Romeo, Gailey, Reid, and Mularky (sp?) are definite goners, and there are outside shots that Jason Garrett and Lovie could get the ax as well.

*Which surprises me... it's only his first year, and while 5-11 is a bad record, it's not Jacksonville/KC


Don't forget Munchuck and at this point would you be flabbergasted if Rex or Whisenhunt got it either?

/Garrett might JUST be safe since Sean Payton got paid by the Saints.
//But then again Jerry is turning into Al 2.0
 
2012-12-30 09:45:45 AM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Incorrigible Astronaut: I'm excited in a nasty, schadenfreude-esque way for Black Monday this year. It sounds like Schurmur*, Norv, Romeo, Gailey, Reid, and Mularky (sp?) are definite goners, and there are outside shots that Jason Garrett and Lovie could get the ax as well.

*Which surprises me... it's only his first year, and while 5-11 is a bad record, it's not Jacksonville/KC

Don't forget Munchuck and at this point would you be flabbergasted if Rex or Whisenhunt got it either?

/Garrett might JUST be safe since Sean Payton got paid by the Saints.
//But then again Jerry is turning into Al 2.0


Damnit, I knew I was forgetting someone. I still like Rex, but Whisenhunt? Yeah... it's time. Also, it's good to see that Garrett and Lovie got votes of confidence.
 
2012-12-30 09:45:52 AM  

OregonVet: *sigh*

 
2012-12-30 09:52:53 AM  

The Smails Kid: OregonVet: *sigh*


Also, REPEAT from almost every year since 1999.

*sigh*
 
2012-12-30 09:55:21 AM  

OregonVet: *sigh*


The writing has been on the wall for Shurmur and Heckert ever since the new owner came into Cleveland. It was clear that the whole front office needed to be cleaned out, and no owner wants to deal with someone else's hires in the front office anyway.

By all accounts the new owner is much more a hands own type of guy than Lerner ever was, and honestly something drastic needs to be done in Cleveland short of just disbanding the team. Lerner just wrote checks and let the GM and HC make the decisions, and when they turned out to be embarrassments he'd pay them off and hire someone else. Haslam, I hope, will be more involved in setting the Browns up to become more competitive, but I'm so discouraged from the last 20 years that I'm definitely in the "wait and see" crowd.
 
2012-12-30 10:01:44 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Damnit, I knew I was forgetting someone. I still like Rex, but Whisenhunt? Yeah... it's time. Also, it's good to see that Garrett and Lovie got votes of confidence.


The bigger problem is who replaces who. Maybe Reid goes to San Diego, then Chip Kelly is in Philly, and say even McDaniels is dumb enough to go to Cleveland (unless rumors he has the NE job in 2-3 are false). After that maybe someone snags a top assistant in SF/GB; and then what? You're either giving an qualified assistant a go or you're digging Jack Del Rio or Norv.

/TL:DR, at least 7-8 openings and only about 4 candidates with any chance of success.
 
2012-12-30 10:06:58 AM  
I'm not so sure I'd hit the eject button on Weeden. I know he was pretty terrible, but you're probably not going to get an all-pro from this draft anyway. Rolling the dice on Weeden for another year is no worse than bringing in some re-tread free agent, or throwing out another rookie project you reached for in the second round. Plus, the upside is that maybe Weeden does have talent, and you just don't know it because he was saddled with a terrible coaching staff.
 
2012-12-30 10:09:12 AM  
How long is Rex Ryan's contract anyway?
 
2012-12-30 10:17:33 AM  

CavalierEternal: TheManofPA: Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.

Q&D


I could do that with a post Marino Dolphins jersey.
 
2012-12-30 10:25:30 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: I could do that with a post Marino Dolphins jersey.


Outside of Green Bay, Indy, and NE you could make a case for almost any team's last 10-15 years qualify for that jerseys.
 
2012-12-30 10:25:34 AM  
And the Steelers will probably lose today anyway, so there's that.
 
2012-12-30 10:30:04 AM  
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2012-12-30 10:31:44 AM  
I'm surprised none of the Browns fans have mentioned Holmgren's name in this. He got a ridiculous 5 year/40 million contract to build the team and he didn't do squat. Terrible management and coaching decisions, bad drafts, and meddling where he didn't need to meddle in certain places. He had a Michael Jordan type management run there, and he ran away in the middle of this season instead of finishing it out. 12-31 under his control, and of course he hasn't ruled out a return to the sideline for another team.
 
2012-12-30 10:37:31 AM  

OregonVet: *sigh*


This surprises me. The Browns have actually been quite competitive this year, rarely getting blown out.
 
2012-12-30 10:39:45 AM  

coolio mack: I'm surprised none of the Browns fans have mentioned Holmgren's name in this. He got a ridiculous 5 year/40 million contract to build the team and he didn't do squat. Terrible management and coaching decisions, bad drafts, and meddling where he didn't need to meddle in certain places. He had a Michael Jordan type management run there, and he ran away in the middle of this season instead of finishing it out. 12-31 under his control, and of course he hasn't ruled out a return to the sideline for another team.


As a Seahawks fan, I will say that Holmgren is a far, far better coach than GM. His GM choices sucked in Seattle, and the team only became successful when they stripped him of the GM role. If Holmgren lands a position with another team, said team would be well-advised to keep him as a coach.

/it would be interesting to see him bring in Andy Reid as a coordinator
//and Norv Turner
 
2012-12-30 10:57:40 AM  

CavalierEternal: TheManofPA: Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.

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Q&D


That jersey actually sits in the window of a bar near the stadium. I haven't been up there to see if they added Lewis or not.
 
2012-12-30 11:07:17 AM  
Ok, so this is the "Browns ownership pushes the panic button and fires the coaching staff" year, then next year's the "painfully bad rebuilding year as the team adjusts to the all new coaching staff and the team reaches for another mediocre at best starting QB in the draft" year, then "the surprisingly competitive year where people think the Browns may have turned the corner but is tainted by a career backup performing well for a few games starting a QB controversy where you lose no matter which way you go", followed by the "crushingly disappointing year where everything falls apart and the team reaches for another mediocre at best starting QB in the draft", then we'll head back to the "Browns ownership pushes the panic button and fires the coaching staff" year and repeat ad infinitum.
 
2012-12-30 11:14:19 AM  

PackRat24: CavalierEternal: TheManofPA: Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.

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Q&D

That jersey actually sits in the window of a bar near the stadium. I haven't been up there to see if they added Lewis or not.


They haven't added Lewis yet, but I have been to the bar you're talking about.

IT'S REAL, PEOPLE.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-12-30 11:16:38 AM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Incorrigible Astronaut: Damnit, I knew I was forgetting someone. I still like Rex, but Whisenhunt? Yeah... it's time. Also, it's good to see that Garrett and Lovie got votes of confidence.

The bigger problem is who replaces who. Maybe Reid goes to San Diego, then Chip Kelly is in Philly, and say even McDaniels is dumb enough to go to Cleveland (unless rumors he has the NE job in 2-3 are false). After that maybe someone snags a top assistant in SF/GB; and then what? You're either giving an qualified assistant a go or you're digging Jack Del Rio or Norv.

/TL:DR, at least 7-8 openings and only about 4 candidates with any chance of success.


From the sounds of it, the Chargers have already passed on Andy Reid, and Andy is trying to put together a coaching staff for what he expects to be his new head coaching job elsewhere (possibly Jacksonville or Arizona), and the Browns apparently don't want to go the whole "re-tread" coach thing this time, which apparently means either Chip Kelly from Oregon, Bill O'Brien from Penn State, or a young NFL OC who wants to try his luck at fixing the Browns.
 
2012-12-30 11:20:14 AM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Igor Jakovsky: I could do that with a post Marino Dolphins jersey.

Outside of Green Bay, Indy, and NE you could make a case for almost any team's last 10-15 years qualify for that jerseys.


And then you have the Bears, where they've been JUST good enough that we don't go nuts and admit that we've been in a less than good period overall and wasted a bunch of years on crap-ass QBs and horrible offensive coordinators.
 
2012-12-30 11:20:26 AM  

CavalierEternal: PackRat24: CavalierEternal: TheManofPA: Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.

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Q&D

That jersey actually sits in the window of a bar near the stadium. I haven't been up there to see if they added Lewis or not.

They haven't added Lewis yet, but I have been to the bar you're talking about.

IT'S REAL, PEOPLE.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x960]


Passed that thing every time I walked to the 92.3 The Fan tailgate, chuckled each time.
 
2012-12-30 11:20:58 AM  
I forgot Ken Dorsey was a Brown, I guess Jeff George was busy that week.

AZ Cards will can Whiz, and make Ray Horton the Man.

Beanie Wells wants out, and will end up rushing for 1400 yards for another team next year when he magically becomes more durable. Most teams would trade Fitz, but it apparently would result in a big cap hit and the Bidwells don't roll that way.
 
2012-12-30 11:39:45 AM  
And now Tony Sparano is on the outs in NY (but not Foot-Kisser Rex), and the GM in Jacksonville is out, with the new GM getting to make the coaching change, if one is coming. And the Jets may be in the market for a new D-coordinator (contract expiring) and special-teams coach (retirement). Starting tomorrow, the NFL silly season will be in full bloom.
 
2012-12-30 11:44:34 AM  

CavalierEternal: PackRat24: CavalierEternal: TheManofPA: Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.

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Q&D

That jersey actually sits in the window of a bar near the stadium. I haven't been up there to see if they added Lewis or not.

They haven't added Lewis yet, but I have been to the bar you're talking about.

IT'S REAL, PEOPLE.

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i47.tinypic.com

The future
 
2012-12-30 11:47:30 AM  

The_Y2P_Problem: followed by the "crushingly disappointing year where everything falls apart and the team reaches for another mediocre at best starting QB in the draft", then we'll head back to the "Browns ownership pushes the panic button and fires the coaching staff" year and repeat ad infinitum.

To be fair, that same cycle repeats at most every team. It repeats over and over until a real quality QB shows up.

Finding a real QB is the key to any coach staying around long term. There is no coincidence that the Browns have plowed through the number of coaches they have given the large number of terrible QBs they've had over the same span. Bad QB play equals many losses. That's the NFL.
 
2012-12-30 11:54:36 AM  

ClavellBCMI: And now Tony Sparano is on the outs in NY (but not Foot-Kisser Rex), and the GM in Jacksonville is out, with the new GM getting to make the coaching change, if one is coming. And the Jets may be in the market for a new D-coordinator (contract expiring) and special-teams coach (retirement). Starting tomorrow, the NFL silly season will be in full bloom.


We need to just have a single Black Monday thread tomorrow. There's going to be so many changes that it'll be damn near impossible to keep up otherwise
 
2012-12-30 11:59:03 AM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: ClavellBCMI: And now Tony Sparano is on the outs in NY (but not Foot-Kisser Rex), and the GM in Jacksonville is out, with the new GM getting to make the coaching change, if one is coming. And the Jets may be in the market for a new D-coordinator (contract expiring) and special-teams coach (retirement). Starting tomorrow, the NFL silly season will be in full bloom.

We need to just have a single Black Monday thread tomorrow. There's going to be so many changes that it'll be damn near impossible to keep up otherwise


Oh, I quite agree, and I'm glad I have a 4-day weekend (had to use a vacation day for tomorrow), so I can follow the insanity all day. And some of those firings could happen today, after the teams involved get done with their games (I'm looking at YOU, Norv, Ken, and Pat).
 
2012-12-30 12:39:51 PM  
This was on r/nfl yesterday:

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2012-12-30 01:06:38 PM  

Troy McClure: The_Y2P_Problem: followed by the "crushingly disappointing year where everything falls apart and the team reaches for another mediocre at best starting QB in the draft", then we'll head back to the "Browns ownership pushes the panic button and fires the coaching staff" year and repeat ad infinitum.
To be fair, that same cycle repeats at most every team. It repeats over and over until a real quality QB shows up.

Finding a real QB is the key to any coach staying around long term. There is no coincidence that the Browns have plowed through the number of coaches they have given the large number of terrible QBs they've had over the same span. Bad QB play equals many losses. That's the NFL.


The Browns have had a good number of serviceable QBs. Bad team and management equals many losses.
 
2012-12-30 01:35:24 PM  
I don't understand this fail tag. The factory of sadness has provided some hope with a new regime.

The browns have a RB, and a decent Defense. If they build around that instead of all this west coast BS (which hasn't won in years) we could see an actual return of the browns.
 
2012-12-30 01:58:12 PM  

rjakobi: How long is Rex Ryan's contract anyway?


No one is certain. He ate it.
 
2012-12-30 04:41:30 PM  

PackRat24: CavalierEternal: PackRat24: CavalierEternal: TheManofPA: Anyone want to add Smith to the infamous jersey pick?  I guess you have to add the random QB they are playing Sunday as well.

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 283x490]

Q&D

That jersey actually sits in the window of a bar near the stadium. I haven't been up there to see if they added Lewis or not.

They haven't added Lewis yet, but I have been to the bar you're talking about.

IT'S REAL, PEOPLE.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x960]

Passed that thing every time I walked to the 92.3 The Fan tailgate, chuckled each time.


I think the order is wrong, Frye started the game before Anderson and Wallace started after McCoy got hurt
 
2012-12-30 05:18:05 PM  
Wallace started the year of Delhomme before McCoy did. It was Wallace also getting hurt that gave McCoy his chance.

I think the Frye one is also correct, but it hurts trying to remember the order of things back when Frye was starting.
 
2012-12-30 07:12:37 PM  

Ken VeryBigLiar: Incorrigible Astronaut: Damnit, I knew I was forgetting someone. I still like Rex, but Whisenhunt? Yeah... it's time. Also, it's good to see that Garrett and Lovie got votes of confidence.

The bigger problem is who replaces who. Maybe Reid goes to San Diego, then Chip Kelly is in Philly, and say even McDaniels is dumb enough to go to Cleveland (unless rumors he has the NE job in 2-3 are false). After that maybe someone snags a top assistant in SF/GB; and then what? You're either giving an qualified assistant a go or you're digging Jack Del Rio or Norv.

/TL:DR, at least 7-8 openings and only about 4 candidates with any chance of success.


I'd hate McDumbfark to go to anyone but New England. They created him they deserve him.
 
2012-12-30 07:13:04 PM  
I for one think the Browns will be dumb enough to draft another QB Bust to come out of USC
 
2012-12-30 07:14:21 PM  

coolio mack: I'm surprised none of the Browns fans have mentioned Holmgren's name in this. He got a ridiculous 5 year/40 million contract to build the team and he didn't do squat. Terrible management and coaching decisions, bad drafts, and meddling where he didn't need to meddle in certain places. He had a Michael Jordan type management run there, and he ran away in the middle of this season instead of finishing it out. 12-31 under his control, and of course he hasn't ruled out a return to the sideline for another team.


Truth. Holmgren's always been shiat as a personnel guy. It was a very Browns move to hire him solely in that capacity.
 
2012-12-30 07:25:48 PM  
The Browns are going to win 10 games next year regardless of who the coach is. They have not had bad drafts in the last few years. They have a core of young players on offense who will be there for at least a couple of years together and it will show. Their defense already makes plays and they fought in every game this year. Weeden won't be the savior, but he won't be the reason for failure either. The Browns are going to draft a QB in the second round to be a solid backup and competition to Weeden. From there the team will draft solid players to fill out the roster. The Browns really do have the look of a good team for the future.

/not a Browns fan
 
2012-12-30 07:36:38 PM  

balfourk: The Browns are going to win 10 games next year regardless of who the coach is. They have not had bad drafts in the last few years. They have a core of young players on offense who will be there for at least a couple of years together and it will show. Their defense already makes plays and they fought in every game this year. Weeden won't be the savior, but he won't be the reason for failure either. The Browns are going to draft a QB in the second round to be a solid backup and competition to Weeden. From there the team will draft solid players to fill out the roster. The Browns really do have the look of a good team for the future.

/not a Browns fan


I found a website that claims to have the browns schedule for next year. Lets play a game

2013 Regular Season

Buffalo Bills-w
New England Patriots-l
Miami Dolphins New York Jets
Chicago Bears-l
Green Bay Packers-l
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings
AFC South Same Place Finisher- AFC West Same Place Finisher
Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l
Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-w Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-l
Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.) -l Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.)-l

If this schedule is true I say 8-8 is BEST CASE SCENARIO
 
2012-12-30 07:39:45 PM  
If the Jags improve the browns are 7-9
If the JESTS stop being so LOL Drama the Browns are down to 6-10

The Vikings and Lions should be favored lets move that down to 4-12

The dolphins can pull it off so maybe 3-13

So I think its going to be somewhere between 7-9 and 3-13
 
2012-12-30 08:16:31 PM  

karasoth: balfourk: The Browns are going to win 10 games next year regardless of who the coach is. They have not had bad drafts in the last few years. They have a core of young players on offense who will be there for at least a couple of years together and it will show. Their defense already makes plays and they fought in every game this year. Weeden won't be the savior, but he won't be the reason for failure either. The Browns are going to draft a QB in the second round to be a solid backup and competition to Weeden. From there the team will draft solid players to fill out the roster. The Browns really do have the look of a good team for the future.

/not a Browns fan

I found a website that claims to have the browns schedule for next year. Lets play a game

2013 Regular Season

Buffalo Bills-w
New England Patriots-l
Miami Dolphins New York Jets
Chicago Bears-l
Green Bay Packers-l
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings
AFC South Same Place Finisher- AFC West Same Place Finisher
Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l
Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-w Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-l
Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.) -l Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.)-l

If this schedule is true I say 8-8 is BEST CASE SCENARIO


Yeah, because every NFL team's record is so predictable from year-to-year. There are never any big swings or anything.

I'm no Browns fan, but I can't disagree with anything balfourk said. They do have some talent there, while Weeden won't be great I don't think he'll be too bad either. I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a big step up next year.
 
2012-12-30 08:25:36 PM  

FreakinB: karasoth: balfourk: The Browns are going to win 10 games next year regardless of who the coach is. They have not had bad drafts in the last few years. They have a core of young players on offense who will be there for at least a couple of years together and it will show. Their defense already makes plays and they fought in every game this year. Weeden won't be the savior, but he won't be the reason for failure either. The Browns are going to draft a QB in the second round to be a solid backup and competition to Weeden. From there the team will draft solid players to fill out the roster. The Browns really do have the look of a good team for the future.

/not a Browns fan

I found a website that claims to have the browns schedule for next year. Lets play a game

2013 Regular Season

Buffalo Bills-w
New England Patriots-l
Miami Dolphins New York Jets
Chicago Bears-l
Green Bay Packers-l
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings
AFC South Same Place Finisher- AFC West Same Place Finisher
Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l
Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-w Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-l
Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.) -l Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.)-l

If this schedule is true I say 8-8 is BEST CASE SCENARIO

Yeah, because every NFL team's record is so predictable from year-to-year. There are never any big swings or anything.

I'm no Browns fan, but I can't disagree with anything balfourk said. They do have some talent there, while Weeden won't be great I don't think he'll be too bad either. I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a big step up next year.

NuBrowns Seasons of 10-6 (2007)
Nu Browns Seasons of 9-7 (2002)

Nu Browns have only had two winning seasons: Thats a pretty reliable benchmark
 
2012-12-30 08:40:07 PM  

karasoth: FreakinB: karasoth: balfourk: The Browns are going to win 10 games next year regardless of who the coach is. They have not had bad drafts in the last few years. They have a core of young players on offense who will be there for at least a couple of years together and it will show. Their defense already makes plays and they fought in every game this year. Weeden won't be the savior, but he won't be the reason for failure either. The Browns are going to draft a QB in the second round to be a solid backup and competition to Weeden. From there the team will draft solid players to fill out the roster. The Browns really do have the look of a good team for the future.

/not a Browns fan

I found a website that claims to have the browns schedule for next year. Lets play a game

2013 Regular Season

Buffalo Bills-w
New England Patriots-l
Miami Dolphins New York Jets
Chicago Bears-l
Green Bay Packers-l
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings
AFC South Same Place Finisher- AFC West Same Place Finisher
Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l
Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-w Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-l
Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.) -l Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.)-l

If this schedule is true I say 8-8 is BEST CASE SCENARIO

Yeah, because every NFL team's record is so predictable from year-to-year. There are never any big swings or anything.

I'm no Browns fan, but I can't disagree with anything balfourk said. They do have some talent there, while Weeden won't be great I don't think he'll be too bad either. I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a big step up next year.
NuBrowns Seasons of 10-6 (2007)
Nu Browns Seasons of 9-7 (2002)

Nu Browns have only had two winning seasons: Thats a pretty reliable benchmark


Past performance doesn't guarantee future results. Besides, it's not just the Browns but all of those teams on their schedule. You can't say definitively who will be good yet. I mean, how many people at the end of last season would have picked the Vikings, Redskins, and Colts as playoff teams? Or the Eagles and Lions as 4-12?

Again, I'm not saying I see them as a definite juggernaut. Just that it wouldn't surprise me if they did take a big step up given the talent that some of their players showed this year.
 
2012-12-30 08:48:29 PM  

FreakinB: karasoth: FreakinB: karasoth: balfourk:

Past performance doesn't guarantee future results. Besides, it's not just the Browns but all of those teams on their schedule. You can't say definitively who will be good yet. I mean, how many people at the end of last season would have picked the Vikings, Redskins, an ...


New HC
New front office team

that means a new QB so they make a big push for a free agent qb

so they will likely with KC (that will have a new front office) will be in a race to overpay one way or the other. So that means a very poor free agent pool and a very poor draft class. So instead of money to have to improve the team they will continue their decline
 
2012-12-30 08:49:23 PM  

FreakinB: karasoth: FreakinB: karasoth: balfourk: The Browns are going to win 10 games next year regardless of who the coach is. They have not had bad drafts in the last few years. They have a core of young players on offense who will be there for at least a couple of years together and it will show. Their defense already makes plays and they fought in every game this year. Weeden won't be the savior, but he won't be the reason for failure either. The Browns are going to draft a QB in the second round to be a solid backup and competition to Weeden. From there the team will draft solid players to fill out the roster. The Browns really do have the look of a good team for the future.

/not a Browns fan

I found a website that claims to have the browns schedule for next year. Lets play a game

2013 Regular Season

Buffalo Bills-w
New England Patriots-l
Miami Dolphins New York Jets
Chicago Bears-l
Green Bay Packers-l
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings
AFC South Same Place Finisher- AFC West Same Place Finisher
Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l Baltimore Ravens (Div.)-l
Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-w Cincinnati Bengals (Div.)-l
Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.) -l Pittsburgh Steelers (Div.)-l

If this schedule is true I say 8-8 is BEST CASE SCENARIO

Yeah, because every NFL team's record is so predictable from year-to-year. There are never any big swings or anything.

I'm no Browns fan, but I can't disagree with anything balfourk said. They do have some talent there, while Weeden won't be great I don't think he'll be too bad either. I wouldn't be shocked to see them take a big step up next year.
NuBrowns Seasons of 10-6 (2007)
Nu Browns Seasons of 9-7 (2002)

Nu Browns have only had two winning seasons: Thats a pretty reliable benchmark

Past performance doesn't guarantee future results. Besides, it's not just the Browns but all of those teams on their schedule. You can't say definitively who will be good yet. I mean, how many people at the end of last season would have picked the Vikings, Redskins, and Colts as playoff teams? Or the Eagles and Lions as 4-12?

Again, I'm not saying I see them as a definite juggernaut. Just that it wouldn't surprise me if they did take a big step up given the talent that some of their players showed this year.


They would need their rookie QB to have the same success as Wallace, Bobby Three Sticks or Luck. Or have richardson go full on Adrian Peterson. None of those things will happen. The Chiefs and their five pro bowlers have a ton of talent but not where it matters apparently.
 
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