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(Los Angeles Magazine)   Author of landmark LA Times story about Scientologist 25 years ago does a follow up interview with senior church leader who poisoned his dog   (lamag.com ) divider line
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2012-12-30 12:27:25 AM  
 
2012-12-30 12:29:06 AM  
Oh, the c$ientologists are really trying to keep this quiet - or the link is farked.
 
2012-12-30 12:35:31 AM  
Personally I wouldn't want to be in a room with some asshole that would poison their dog.
 
2012-12-30 01:01:29 AM  

DownDaRiver: Personally I wouldn't want to be in a room with some asshole that would poison their dog.


I would.
 
NFA
2012-12-30 01:17:44 AM  

ElizaDoolittle: Oh, the c$ientologists are really trying to keep this quiet - or the link is farked.


Link works for me.
 
2012-12-30 08:36:24 AM  
Scientology trifecta in play.
 
2012-12-30 08:41:54 AM  

DownDaRiver: Personally I wouldn't want to be in a room with some asshole that would poison their dog.


If someone poisoned my dog, I would love to be alone in a room with them.

/I know
//ITGMagazine.jpg
 
2012-12-30 08:51:08 AM  
What would Xenu do?

Why, poison doggies, of course.
 
2012-12-30 08:59:12 AM  
So where did he say he poisoned the reporter's dog? It doesn't, he denied doing it. Reading comprehension fail, subby.
 
2012-12-30 09:00:21 AM  
His dog was killed by Jack Reacher?
 
2012-12-30 09:02:01 AM  
13 year old dog developes seizures? Must be poison.
 
2012-12-30 09:04:48 AM  

ubermensch: So where did he say he poisoned the reporter's dog? It doesn't, he denied doing it. Reading comprehension fail, subby.


Regarding the assholes own dog, and his fear of it being harmed:
I tell him I don't buy his blaming third parties. That's when Rathbun changes course entirely. "Before you even came here, I'm telling you, I watch out after my dog," he says, as Chiquita lounges nearby. "I don't put it past the sons of biatches, you know what I mean?"

He doesn't seem to realize that when the reporter's dog died he was the leader of 'those sons of biatches'.
And every other time in the article where he says he didn't do something, a sentence or two later he says "OK, I didn't do it, but I told someone else to" or "I didn't do it, but I knew it was being done and didn't bother to stop it."

Dog killing fark. The reporter should have done the interview, kicked him in the nuts, and taken Chiquita as compensation.
 
2012-12-30 09:28:23 AM  

abhorrent1: If someone poisoned my dog, I would love to be alone in a room with them.


Let's say I beat the guy nearly to death... what kind of time am I looking at? A nickle? Out in a couple of years for good behavior? Hmmm... I'm gonna have to think about this.
 
2012-12-30 09:28:54 AM  
RELIGION OF PEACE
 
2012-12-30 09:30:32 AM  
It's well known that dogs are loaded with Thetans AND will steal your crab cakes.
 
2012-12-30 09:36:23 AM  
In before "SCIENTOLOGY ISN'T ANY CRAZIER THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION" derp.
 
2012-12-30 09:40:00 AM  
That was one of the worst written articles I've ever read.
 
2012-12-30 09:40:14 AM  
 
2012-12-30 09:42:18 AM  

Honest Bender: abhorrent1: If someone poisoned my dog, I would love to be alone in a room with them.

Let's say I beat the guy nearly to death... what kind of time am I looking at? A nickle? Out in a couple of years for good behavior? Hmmm... I'm gonna have to think about this.


Then people will blame your dangerous boots when you stomp a mud-hole in him. It would be worth every second in jail.

/don't take away our boots!
 
2012-12-30 09:50:33 AM  
Anytime you need reassurances that the US government is corrupt beyond repair, simply reference the fact that the "Church" of Scientology bought tax-free status. They bought it. Literally. And it all happened right out in the open and nobody gave a shiat.
 
2012-12-30 09:53:20 AM  

Honest Bender: abhorrent1: If someone poisoned my dog, I would love to be alone in a room with them.

Let's say I beat the guy nearly to death... what kind of time am I looking at? A nickle? Out in a couple of years for good behavior? Hmmm... I'm gonna have to think about this.


I don't know. If you have no record and a decent lawyer - Maybe probation and some community service? They don't have room for violent offenders. They have all those dangerous pot smokers to lock up.
 
2012-12-30 09:54:41 AM  

Karac: ubermensch: So where did he say he poisoned the reporter's dog? It doesn't, he denied doing it. Reading comprehension fail, subby.

Regarding the assholes own dog, and his fear of it being harmed:
I tell him I don't buy his blaming third parties. That's when Rathbun changes course entirely. "Before you even came here, I'm telling you, I watch out after my dog," he says, as Chiquita lounges nearby. "I don't put it past the sons of biatches, you know what I mean?"

He doesn't seem to realize that when the reporter's dog died he was the leader of 'those sons of biatches'.
And every other time in the article where he says he didn't do something, a sentence or two later he says "OK, I didn't do it, but I told someone else to" or "I didn't do it, but I knew it was being done and didn't bother to stop it."

Dog killing fark. The reporter should have done the interview, kicked him in the nuts, and taken Chiquita as compensation.


Yeah, there's no way I could sit near this guy and not hurt him.
 
2012-12-30 09:55:04 AM  
Reminds me of the Coca-Karma story.
 
2012-12-30 10:10:52 AM  
$cientology is very creepy indeed.
 
2012-12-30 10:11:38 AM  
Xenu is my homeboy.

Xenu is my homeboy.

Xenu is my homeboy.



www.clker.com
 
2012-12-30 10:19:16 AM  

doglover: DownDaRiver: Personally I wouldn't want to be in a room with some asshole that would poison their dog.

I would.


Would prefer no cameras or one-way glass though.
 
2012-12-30 10:20:50 AM  
if only there were some good $cientologi$ts with guns to go up against the bad $cientologi$ts with guns....

man, just think...start your own power cult with a bunch of made up rules, get tax free status and freeload off the world while killing / raping and ruining people...

it's like a cross between the catholic church and most world governments...

i need a power job where i can "contribute" to $ociety" like this...
 
2012-12-30 10:30:04 AM  
oh so they kill dogs too the farking pieces of shiat
 
2012-12-30 10:40:47 AM  
Scientology can't survive a free internet forever. Their "Prophet" came up with a system that relies on 1975 societal structure to last.
 
2012-12-30 10:42:54 AM  

poonesfarm: In before "SCIENTOLOGY ISN'T ANY CRAZIER THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION" derp.


Oh yes it is.
 
2012-12-30 10:45:01 AM  
The article: CSB

Scientology as a mythology/philosophy: more or less the equivalent of all others

Scientology as a politically empowered religious organization: as corrupt as every other, with a tinge of the effects both cults of personality and its relative youthful immaturity.
 
2012-12-30 11:05:36 AM  

DubtodaIll: That was one of the worst written first articles I've ever read.


FTFY.

I'm not saying it's worth a Pulitzer, but there's at least 10 worse articles on every page of Fark this minute.
 
2012-12-30 11:12:53 AM  

DubtodaIll: That was one of the worst written articles I've ever read.


You must be very young. Maybe later, after you've read ten or twenty other articles, you'll see that it isn't all that bad compared to a lot of stuff on the Internet.
 
2012-12-30 11:15:51 AM  
And I should probably learn to read the whole thread before posting.
 
2012-12-30 11:25:30 AM  

Haliburton Cummings: if only there were some good $cientologi$ts with guns to go up against the bad $cientologi$ts with guns....

man, just think...start your own power cult with a bunch of made up rules, get tax free status and freeload off the world while killing / raping and ruining people...

it's like a cross between the catholic church and most world governments...

i need a power job where i can "contribute" to $ociety" like this...


Strangely, there IS a splinter movement of Scientologists, if I remember right, who have broken away from the main church, oppose the corrupt social structure, but still cling to the beliefs. I cannot for the LIFE of me remember what they were called.
/It is also a very, VERRRYYYYYYYY tiny splinter movement.
//And I could be misremembering.
 
2012-12-30 11:28:07 AM  

poonesfarm: In before "SCIENTOLOGY ISN'T ANY CRAZIER THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION" derp.


True, but now that you mention it....
 
2012-12-30 11:31:17 AM  
If you think tin cans on string can measure your stress, you deserve everything you get. Because you are an idiot.
 
2012-12-30 11:31:32 AM  

DubtodaIll: That was one of the worst written articles I've ever read.


So how long have you been a member of Co$?
 
2012-12-30 12:05:33 PM  

cygnusx13: DubtodaIll: That was one of the worst written articles I've ever read.

So how long have you been a member of Co$?


Excuse me, but what are your crimes? WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES?!!?!
 
2012-12-30 12:12:31 PM  
It's not so much that it's a corrupt, litigious cult that enslaves people. It's that it's based on quack psychology that is bad for you. Emotions are not a bad thing, but the goal of Scientology is to reach a Spock-like state where all actions are decided through a mechanistic rationality. It's dumb and harmful.
 
2012-12-30 12:47:51 PM  
Let us not forget that Scientology was created in a bar over a bet where Mr. Hubbard stated that if you really wanted to make money, start a religion.
 
2012-12-30 01:01:12 PM  

jimw: Let us not forget that Scientology was created in a bar over a bet where Mr. Hubbard stated that if you really wanted to make money, start a religion.


In his defense, I think he won the bet.

/don't read that as an endorsement
 
2012-12-30 01:18:48 PM  
I remember watching a guy picket the CoS office in San Francisco with a sign that read "In my opinion, Scientology is a scam".

/csb
 
2012-12-30 01:20:56 PM  

poonesfarm: In before "SCIENTOLOGY ISN'T ANY CRAZIER THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION" derp.


The problem isn't with what they teach. It's no more or less silly than any other.

The problem is that they won't let anybody leave.
 
2012-12-30 01:28:34 PM  
If lawsuits and pet killing (and occasional accidental homicide) is the worst that Scientologist can do, then they are merely an annoyance and not a threat. Everybody treats this cult like its the mob. They dont have the balls to be like the mob.
 
2012-12-30 01:36:22 PM  

ModernLuddite: If you think tin cans on string can measure your stress, you deserve everything you get. Because you are an idiot.


There is a bit more to it as the damn thing is basically a modified ohmmeter from what I understand.
 
2012-12-30 02:26:30 PM  

orclover: If lawsuits and pet killing (and occasional accidental homicide) is the worst that Scientologist can do, then they are merely an annoyance and not a threat. Everybody treats this cult like its the mob. They dont have the balls to be like the mob.

www.lermanet2.com
 
2012-12-30 03:12:16 PM  

sevenpointsixtwo: Anytime you need reassurances that the US government is corrupt beyond repair, simply reference the fact that the "Church" of Scientology bought tax-free status. They bought it. Literally. And it all happened right out in the open and nobody gave a shiat.


Did this happen during operation snow white?
 
2012-12-30 03:31:11 PM  

Haliburton Cummings: if only there were some good $cientologi$ts with guns to go up against the bad $cientologi$ts with guns ...


Reminds me of this.
 
2012-12-30 03:58:02 PM  

Fano: sevenpointsixtwo: Anytime you need reassurances that the US government is corrupt beyond repair, simply reference the fact that the "Church" of Scientology bought tax-free status. They bought it. Literally. And it all happened right out in the open and nobody gave a shiat.

Did this happen during operation snow white?


No, tax free status was granted in 1993 by the IRS long after L Ron was dead.

Snow White occurred in 1978 according to the court document posted above.
 
2012-12-30 04:23:07 PM  
Sorry, but my Bible says quite clearly, "Thou shall not suffer a dog-poisoner to live."

I said my Bible ...
fark $cientology.
 
2012-12-30 04:32:07 PM  

Felgraf: Haliburton Cummings: if only there were some good $cientologi$ts with guns to go up against the bad $cientologi$ts with guns....

man, just think...start your own power cult with a bunch of made up rules, get tax free status and freeload off the world while killing / raping and ruining people...

it's like a cross between the catholic church and most world governments...

i need a power job where i can "contribute" to $ociety" like this...

Strangely, there IS a splinter movement of Scientologists, if I remember right, who have broken away from the main church, oppose the corrupt social structure, but still cling to the beliefs. I cannot for the LIFE of me remember what they were called.
/It is also a very, VERRRYYYYYYYY tiny splinter movement.
//And I could be misremembering.


They call themselves Freezoners.
 
2012-12-30 04:34:36 PM  
 
2012-12-30 04:53:49 PM  
He... He poisoned his doggie?

:(
 
2012-12-30 04:58:30 PM  

Kozmopoliskepticalopsis: Sorry, but my Bible says quite clearly, "Thou shall not suffer a dog-poisoner to live."

I said my Bible ...
fark $cientology.


d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net

Good bible.
 
2012-12-30 05:00:04 PM  

buckler: They call themselves Freezoners.


Sounds like a group from the game S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

/get out of here, Stalker
 
2012-12-30 07:56:22 PM  
I just don't understand how people believe any of the scientology stuff. I mean a lot of mainstream religions sound crazy but scientology REALLY sounds crazy. Of course there were plenty of people at Jonestown so I guess we can't rely on pure craziness to keep people away.
 
2012-12-30 09:04:28 PM  

Shahab: I just don't understand how people believe any of the scientology stuff. I mean a lot of mainstream religions sound crazy but scientology REALLY sounds crazy. Of course there were plenty of people at Jonestown so I guess we can't rely on pure craziness to keep people away.


They prey on the weak.

Well, the weak with savings accounts and/or open lines of credit. Not much use for the ones who can't pay for their "courses".
 
2012-12-30 09:58:41 PM  

radiumsoup: Shahab: I just don't understand how people believe any of the scientology stuff. I mean a lot of mainstream religions sound crazy but scientology REALLY sounds crazy. Of course there were plenty of people at Jonestown so I guess we can't rely on pure craziness to keep people away.

They prey on the weak.

Well, the weak with savings accounts and/or open lines of credit. Not much use for the ones who can't pay for their "courses".


I am not a fan of any religion.  Let me say why I am against $cientology:  tonyortega.com.  That's why.  He's been helping expose $cientology for the piece of crap it is for quite a while.  $ci makes children sign billion-year labor employment contracts at far-below minimum wage levels because they (minimum wage level laws) don't apply to churches.  The latter law was meant for the benefit of convents with nuns who take a pledge of poverty, but David Miscavige has taken advantage of a foolhardy IRS rule that says his cult is a religion to traffic in children as laborers.  Not in Thailand.  Here.  In the US.

I don't really care if this farce is a religion.  I think all religions are farces anyway.  What it is is a gangster organization that is responsible for several deaths.  Most of the people who were senior in the organization ten years ago have defected, often having to take extreme measures to get out.

Where is the US prosecutor willing to take this gangster act on?  Parents have lost contact with their children (if you leave the Co$, and your family stays behind, they can't contact you.)  Honestly, if you read about all the separated families and child workers and women told to get abortions, you can only come to the conclusion that law enforcement in this country has failed.
 
2012-12-31 02:44:12 AM  

orclover: If lawsuits and pet killing (and occasional accidental homicide) is the worst that Scientologist can do, then they are merely an annoyance and not a threat. Everybody treats this cult like its the mob. They dont have the balls to be like the mob.


The trouble with people who look at something like Scientology and see a house of cards, easy to topple, is that Scientologists have been doing what they do for a very, very long time and have gotten very, very good at it.

They remind me a lot of those Westboro people, who all know EXACTLY how far to go to avoid breaking the law, and will walk right up to that line and dance. No one's going to bring them down because they know right where to stand to get full protection under the law for every reprehensible thing they do. Does anyone really think anything remotely resembling a paper trail leads from a dead dog to David Miscavige? Even if it can be conclusively proven, with 27 8x10 color glossy photos with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was, that a Scientologist killed their dog, Miscavige will waste no time in insisting that that was a horrible "suppressive person" who was cast out from their midst a long time ago and the Church is lily white and innocent of all wrongdoing amen.

What will probably bring down Scientology is people laughing at them. Parker and Stone did sorta get the ball rolling...
 
2012-12-31 04:51:07 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: Let me say why I am against $cientology:  tonyortega.com.


that would be: tonyortega.org
 
2013-01-02 04:20:47 AM  

radiumsoup: ElizaDoolittle: Let me say why I am against $cientology:  tonyortega.com.

that would be: tonyortega.org


Sorry. Thanks for helpful anti-child-abuse link.
 
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