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2012-12-30 03:56:21 PM

farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s


any chance you can put the email address you used in here?  i don't see it on their contact page
 
2012-12-30 03:58:13 PM

farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s


You make several assumptions that are not in the article. No where did it say his life was in danger. Attacked can mean robbed just as easily as physically beaten. The policy is there to PREVENT the loss of human life, as by fighting back now the robbers know to bring more force and may just shoot first.. Your logic is VERY flawed.
 
2012-12-30 04:03:21 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s

any chance you can put the email address you used in here?  i don't see it on their contact page


Gladly, kind farker. It was posted on the PH FB page - info[nospam-﹫-backwards]tuhazzip*com
 
2012-12-30 04:03:30 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: No subby, he was demoted for carrying a weapon.


Well pretty much any old thing can be a weapon if employed properly. Heck, they can charge you with posession of bomb making materials if you have clorox.

/This guy didn't seem to be protecting the pizza or the money, but is Pizza Hut going to buy him a new car or pay for his injuries? Maybe they'd have to pay for health treatment, but I don't think they'd pay for car repairs.
 
2012-12-30 04:04:45 PM

thaylin: You make several assumptions that are not in the article. No where did it say his life was in danger. Attacked can mean robbed just as easily as physically beaten. The policy is there to PREVENT the loss of human life, as by fighting back now the robbers know to bring more force and may just shoot first.. Your logic is VERY flawed.


I hate to break this news to you, but if you give up or don't give up, they will still kill you on a whim.  Better not to lie down and beg "thank you sir, may i have another?".
 
2012-12-30 04:05:05 PM

thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s

You make several assumptions that are not in the article. No where did it say his life was in danger. Attacked can mean robbed just as easily as physically beaten. The policy is there to PREVENT the loss of human life, as by fighting back now the robbers know to bring more force and may just shoot first.. Your logic is VERY flawed.


It's only flawed in the fact that I (and YOU) were not there. #SMH
 
2012-12-30 04:06:12 PM

farkingbubbler: any chance you can put the email address you used in here? i don't see it on their contact page

Gladly, kind farker. It was posted on the PH FB page - info at pizzahut dot com


thank you very much
 
2012-12-30 04:06:49 PM

mgshamster: Once I transferred to another store in a lower-middle class area, my tip earnings skyrocketed.


with the inflated gas prices, what is a reasonable amount to tip these days? I mean it seems a little ridiculous to tip 10% of the price of pizza for delivery, it is sort of the same with carry-out. But I think it is good to tip something. What is an appropriate amount these days? (difference for city versus boonies)

enqui-farking minds want to know! It was so much simpler when gas was like $1-2/gallon.

i want to know so i can tip the dominos guy...
 
2012-12-30 04:07:17 PM

halB: Pizza Hut and Dominos have a strict $20 limit on the cash a driver can carry. However, they are supposed to have $20 in order to make proper change. If the driver lost more than $20, he would've been fired. And odds are he would've lost more than $20, because - despite there being drop boxes for each driver - since you have to carry $20, odds are you have to go to a manager and have him write out a receipt to document the transaction to split a 5 or 10 dollar bill.


/CSB time

I was fired from Dominoes for being robbed.

I didn't defend myself, I didn't have any weapon, I just diffused the situation and walked away, exactly as the manager had drilled into our heads each month.

I was only doing one delivery at the time, so I was under the $20 limit.

So why was I fired? The robber stole $19 in cash, and a $35 order of pizza... According to the regional/corporate manager, the pizza itself counts toward that $20 limit, so I really lost $54...

Then to add insult to injury, my final paycheck had a $54 deduction for the money I lost during the robbery. Being a tipped position ($2.75/hr), that put my paycheck down to less than a dollar.

The paycheck deduction was overturned in court, but the firing was completely legal because it's an at-will state.
 
2012-12-30 04:11:10 PM

thaylin: thisisarepeat: Its important to note that Pizza Hut doesn't own anything (TFA said it owned a few other fast food chains) Pepsi owns Pizza Hut and the other chains (why you cant get a farking Coke at any of those places). I will never purchase another Pepsi product from this point forward, and would urge others to boycott also. In light of this insanity, putting every last one of pepsi's share holders on the public dole is too good for them.

So a subsidiary cant own anything, just because it itself is owned by something? Does not make sense.

also since you are on a roll, Pepsi has not owned it in 15 years, Yum! brands owns it.


Another farker already told me about the pepsi thing. A subsidiary owning something doesn't make sense. It would be like saying my dog owns a rubber newspaper. I own the dog, and I own the newspaper. I don't use the newspaper, my dog does, but my dog doesn't own property.
 
2012-12-30 04:12:50 PM
An entity can not simultaneously own and be owned.
 
2012-12-30 04:16:24 PM

thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s

You make several assumptions that are not in the article. No where did it say his life was in danger. Attacked can mean robbed just as easily as physically beaten. The policy is there to PREVENT the loss of human life, as by fighting back now the robbers know to bring more force and may just shoot first.. Your logic is VERY flawed.


By that logic, the only solution is to kill the robber, thus ensuring no further escalation. A policy I wouldn't disagree with.
 
2012-12-30 04:18:39 PM

the ha ha guy: halB: Pizza Hut and Dominos have a strict $20 limit on the cash a driver can carry. However, they are supposed to have $20 in order to make proper change. If the driver lost more than $20, he would've been fired. And odds are he would've lost more than $20, because - despite there being drop boxes for each driver - since you have to carry $20, odds are you have to go to a manager and have him write out a receipt to document the transaction to split a 5 or 10 dollar bill.

/CSB time

I was fired from Dominoes for being robbed.

I didn't defend myself, I didn't have any weapon, I just diffused the situation and walked away, exactly as the manager had drilled into our heads each month.

I was only doing one delivery at the time, so I was under the $20 limit.

So why was I fired? The robber stole $19 in cash, and a $35 order of pizza... According to the regional/corporate manager, the pizza itself counts toward that $20 limit, so I really lost $54...

Then to add insult to injury, my final paycheck had a $54 deduction for the money I lost during the robbery. Being a tipped position ($2.75/hr), that put my paycheck down to less than a dollar.

The paycheck deduction was overturned in court, but the firing was completely legal because it's an at-will state.


Wanna know how I know you are lieing? First dominos pays full minimum wage, not tip minimum wage at corporate stores. I worked for them for over 10 years from mid 90s to mid 2000's and then again in 2009 for a year when I got laid off. Second the pizza never counts.

Now if it was a franchise that may be different, but they dont have corporate managers.
 
2012-12-30 04:19:54 PM

thisisarepeat: thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s

You make several assumptions that are not in the article. No where did it say his life was in danger. Attacked can mean robbed just as easily as physically beaten. The policy is there to PREVENT the loss of human life, as by fighting back now the robbers know to bring more force and may just shoot first.. Your logic is VERY flawed.

By that logic, the only solution is to kill the robber, thus ensuring no further escalation. A policy I wouldn't disagree with.


Not true in the least. The reason for the policy is not for that individual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons then ALL robberies would likely use guns and/or deadly force.
 
2012-12-30 04:21:13 PM

halB: No Time To Explain: This reminds me of that lifeguard bullshiat story

/my money is on that they would have fired him for giving the 'za and the cash away if that was the path he so choose

They would have.

Pizza Hut and Dominos have a strict $20 limit on the cash a driver can carry. However, they are supposed to have $20 in order to make proper change. If the driver lost more than $20, he would've been fired. And odds are he would've lost more than $20, because - despite there being drop boxes for each driver - since you have to carry $20, odds are you have to go to a manager and have him write out a receipt to document the transaction to split a 5 or 10 dollar bill.

But the managers are busy. The managers are making pizzas. And if you wait for a manager, you'll miss your pizza, and you will be fired.


Yes, this is common in the modern corporate 'unskilled' labor market. They make up a bunch of Hammurabi-esque rules that are all but impossible to comply with in real world operations so they always have an excuse to fire an employee.
 
2012-12-30 04:22:02 PM
Update on the "info at pizzahut dot com" email address: had my rant bounced back to me. So, apparently you can't blow up their email box. Checking Yum!'s site bounces back to the horror that is PH. Not a lot of help there other than what is listed here already. Sowwy.
 
2012-12-30 04:24:28 PM

thaylin: thisisarepeat: thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s

You make several assumptions that are not in the article. No where did it say his life was in danger. Attacked can mean robbed just as easily as physically beaten. The policy is there to PREVENT the loss of human life, as by fighting back now the robbers know to bring more force and may just shoot first.. Your logic is VERY flawed.

By that logic, the only solution is to kill the robber, thus ensuring no further escalation. A policy I wouldn't disagree w ...

Not true in the least. The reason for the policy is not for that individual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons then ALL robberies would likely use guns and/or deadly force.


Or they would choose a softer target, cops carry cash, but nobody robs them.
 
2012-12-30 04:29:55 PM
www.chillywilly.org

ob-Fry
 
2012-12-30 04:31:50 PM

DanZero: Is this really any different than any other corporate policy on the books telling employees not to "be a hero" when it comes to being robbed/stopping shoplifters? Major liabilities for them are abound if you try to stop them, and we've seen enough stories about people getting fired here for doing just that. It's an unfortunate situation, but people need to know the company is more than likely *not* to take their side in a situation like this.


Funny how instinct kicks in and corporate policy is forgotten. Board members think everything happens in a vacuum and there's time to be rational.
 
2012-12-30 04:33:42 PM

thaylin: Wanna know how I know you are lieing? First dominos pays full minimum wage, not tip minimum wage at corporate stores. I worked for them for over 10 years from mid 90s to mid 2000's and then again in 2009 for a year when I got laid off. Second the pizza never counts.

Now if it was a franchise that may be different, but they dont have corporate managers.


It was a franchise, so they didn't have to pay full minimum wage.

The regional manager was sent as a representative during the lawsuit, since corporate was named as a defendant.

As for the pizza never counting, the regional manager said that's up to the franchise owner. In corporate stores, only cash counts, but franchisees are given the option to count any and all company-owned property lost during the robbery.
 
2012-12-30 04:36:27 PM

thaylin: thisisarepeat: thaylin: farkingbubbler: ....

Not true in the least. The reason for the policy is not for that individual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons then ALL robberies would likely use guns and/or deadly force.


If you're going to rob a pizza driver and have access to a gun you would use the gun anyway. This is about keeping Pizza Hut's insurance low, not about the safety of the driver.
 
2012-12-30 04:39:39 PM

thisisarepeat: ...(why you cant get a farking Coke at any of those places)...


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2012-12-30 04:41:45 PM

lewismarktwo: idual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons th


But if you were wanting to rob a pizza driver and did not have easy access to a gun you would probably not use a gun, but if you knew they were packing, then you would ensure you were packing.
 
2012-12-30 04:44:13 PM

thaylin: lewismarktwo: idual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons th

But if you were wanting to rob a pizza driver and did not have easy access to a gun you would probably not use a gun, but if you knew they were packing, then you would ensure you were packing.


Or you would rob someones house while they were at work instead.
 
2012-12-30 04:45:28 PM

lewismarktwo: Or you would rob someones house while they were at work instead.


Right, now we are just getting into guesses, you assume that all thieves are smart, most are not that is why they have to be thieves.
 
2012-12-30 04:46:19 PM

thaylin: lewismarktwo: Or you would rob someones house while they were at work instead.

Right, now we are just getting into guesses, you assume that all thieves are smart, most are not that is why they have to be thieves.


lols
 
2012-12-30 04:48:34 PM

thaylin: thisisarepeat: thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

Kinda ironic that a place called YUM.... serves up such swill (both IN the kitchen and, apparently, on the road with their driver policies). The driver did NOT have a gun, knife, mace, or such: he defended himself with a makeshift pole piece. Do your restaurants not verify addresses before making deliveries, especially in surly areas? Now assuming drivers follow Tip #45 (lie back & take it) - would your employee get covered while recouperating (worker's comp - which only goes so far)? What about loss of life? And your company doesn't give two shiats (let alone one) that he tried to exercise a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? It's one thing to tell the employee "give up the cash and/or product"; but to DEMOTE the employee for trying to save his life???? Are your delivery people THAT expendable? These aren't the days of just college kids trying to earn a few bucks between classes - these are MAIN family-supporting JOBS for quite a few, and jobs that are well below the poverty line INCLUDING low-level management staff! I'm going to go the boycott thing one step further and not only boycott Pizza Hut, but ALL Yum Brands corporate restaurants (that includes Taco Bell and KFC). My local Pizza Hut is franchised by Wisconsin Hospitality Group and does not offer delivery at my area; however, being under the PH umbrella they will be bypassed in the days and weeks to come. (MSG COPIED AND E-MAILED TO CORPORATE AS WELL)

/former Domino's driver in the 80s

You make several assumptions that are not in the article. No where did it say his life was in danger. Attacked can mean robbed just as easily as physically beaten. The policy is there to PREVENT the loss of human life, as by fighting back now the robbers know to bring more force and may just shoot first.. Your logic is VERY flawed.

By that logic, the only solution is to kill the robber, thus ensuring no further escalation. A policy I wouldn't disagree with.

Not true in the least. The reason for the policy is not for that individual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons then ALL robberies would likely use guns and/or deadly force.


BS. The reason for the policy is so they can't get sued by injured thieves.
 
2012-12-30 04:49:02 PM

RINO: thisisarepeat: ...(why you cant get a farking Coke at any of those places)...

You say that like it's a bad thing.


It is. Pepsi tastes like sweetened swamp water. I prefer something with a little kick, and actual taste. The only good product that Pepsi Co. makes is Mountain Dew, and even that is better with the real sugar version.
 
2012-12-30 04:52:20 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: RINO: I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.

That's bad. Even back in the mid-eighties in NW Lousyana I'd makemin $75/week in tips.
Biggest single tip? $60. Sunday afternoon church youth service meeting. $140 order, and he wrote me a check for $200.


Back when I got out of the military, my first job was delivering for Domino's. Our manager was cool, he would only make us put the car topper on if the owner was in town. Anyway, my church delivery involved a weatherman on the local (small town) NBC affiliate who was a superb asshole. Keep in mind, at Domino's, you also have to help in the store - ovens, make pies, wash dishes, etc. This delivery was in the evening, 5 or 6pm, I roll up there with his 10 pies and he immediately starts berating me in front of everyone for my dirty clothes. I held my tongue, as i knew i would be the bad guy on this. I wanted to just haul off and give him one right in his smug face sooo bad. I went back and told my boss what happened and he just shrugged and apologized to me. There wasn't much anything he could really do about it.

/my tip for that run - a whopping $0
//he was also a hypocrite. church going family man - ended up cheating on his wife and he left town. he was also subsequently fired from his next two markets, so i heard.
 
2012-12-30 04:52:54 PM

liam76: thaylin: thisisarepeat: thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

BS. The reason for the policy is so they can't get sued by injured thieves.



Really, so I guess not opening the door for a robber holding a driver at gun point, when no one in the store can open the safe, is to just protect from injured robbers as well, not to ensure the safety of the other employees?
 
2012-12-30 04:56:25 PM

KarmicDisaster: MrBallou: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?

Anchovy can opener.

Cheese boy.


Jizz mopper.
 
2012-12-30 04:57:32 PM

mr lawson: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?

AFTER tax and fuel, some drivers can make 700 to 850 a week take home.
/been there..done that


That seems fairly unbelievable. Can you do that 50 weeks a year working a reasonable number of hours a week?
 
2012-12-30 04:59:23 PM

thaylin: liam76: thaylin: thisisarepeat: thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

BS. The reason for the policy is so they can't get sued by injured thieves.


Really, so I guess not opening the door for a robber holding a driver at gun point, when no one in the store can open the safe, is to just protect from injured robbers as well, not to ensure the safety of the other employees?


What are they paying you for this?
 
2012-12-30 05:03:16 PM

Jument: mr lawson: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?

AFTER tax and fuel, some drivers can make 700 to 850 a week take home.
/been there..done that

That seems fairly unbelievable. Can you do that 50 weeks a year working a reasonable number of hours a week?


At Fort Bragg/Pope Air Force base I averaged 3 bucks a run tips, and could take 4-6 an hour. Average that to 5 and you get 15 an hour on top of my 7 an hour wage, that is 21 an hour. Back then the gas money really paid for gas and maintenance though unlike today..
 
2012-12-30 05:03:41 PM

thisisarepeat: Not true in the least. The reason for the policy is not for that individual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons then ALL robberies would likely use guns and/or deadly force.

Or they would choose a softer target, cops carry cash, but nobody robs them.


Some years ago, after a string of delivery driver robberies, the local police inserted an undercover cop into the delivery chain.

"Officer Steven Rutherford was shot and killed while working undercover disguised as a pizza delivery person, in anticipation of a robbery.

That night, several juveniles did rob him at gun point. As he was complying to their demands to lay on the ground, his jacket rose up and exposed his gun and one of the juveniles opened fire, striking him twice. Officer Rutherford got up and chased the juveniles approximately 200 yards and collapsed as his partner fired from the delivery vehicle. He was pronounced dead at the scene. The suspects were arrested a short time later."

The 18 year old who pulled the trigger got two life terms in prison plus eight years.

lewismarktwo: If you're going to rob a pizza driver and have access to a gun you would use the gun anyway. This is about keeping Pizza Hut's insurance low, not about the safety of the driver.


This.
 
2012-12-30 05:04:20 PM

thisisarepeat: thaylin: liam76: thaylin: thisisarepeat: thaylin: farkingbubbler: Here's what I sent to their corporate email:

BS. The reason for the policy is so they can't get sued by injured thieves.


Really, so I guess not opening the door for a robber holding a driver at gun point, when no one in the store can open the safe, is to just protect from injured robbers as well, not to ensure the safety of the other employees?

What are they paying you for this?


Right, because no one can have an independent thought outside of the hive mind without being paid for it, but nice logical fallacy.
 
2012-12-30 05:05:53 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: thisisarepeat: Not true in the least. The reason for the policy is not for that individual robber but for all robbers. If it got around that drivers carried weapons then ALL robberies would likely use guns and/or deadly force.

Or they would choose a softer target, cops carry cash, but nobody robs them.

Some years ago, after a string of delivery driver robberies, the local police inserted an undercover cop into the delivery chain.

"Officer Steven Rutherford was shot and killed while working undercover disguised as a pizza delivery person, in anticipation of a robbery.

That night, several juveniles did rob him at gun point. As he was complying to their demands to lay on the ground, his jacket rose up and exposed his gun and one of the juveniles opened fire, striking him twice. Officer Rutherford got up and chased the juveniles approximately 200 yards and collapsed as his partner fired from the delivery vehicle. He was pronounced dead at the scene. The suspects were arrested a short time later."

The 18 year old who pulled the trigger got two life terms in prison plus eight years.

lewismarktwo: If you're going to rob a pizza driver and have access to a gun you would use the gun anyway. This is about keeping Pizza Hut's insurance low, not about the safety of the driver.

This.


That is funny. Reread your statement. They did not shot till they saw he had a gun....Had they not see this there is a far better chance then not he would be alive today.
 
2012-12-30 05:12:27 PM

Jument: That seems fairly unbelievable. Can you do that 50 weeks a year working a reasonable number of hours a week?


My first delivery job (mid 80's Lousyana), we had a guy who did that as his primary and only job. Wife, kids, house, etc. He worked 4/5/6 days a week, maybe 2PM to midnight.
Yes, you can do it. But one of the issues is the vehicle. Your car can't be offline for service for any length of time.
 
2012-12-30 05:15:03 PM
Warmachine999:
It is. Pepsi tastes like sweetened swamp water. I prefer something with a little kick, and actual taste.

Wel, you are entiled to your own opinion, wrongheaded as it may be.

The only good product that Pepsi Co. makes is Mountain Dew, and even that is better with the real sugar version.

I absolutely love throwback Dew. I can't wait until that makes it into the giant cans MD is sold in now.

/Throwback Pepsi is awful, however.
 
2012-12-30 05:17:18 PM

thaylin: That is funny. Reread your statement


Funny? Reread?
I read it. I used to work for that chain.

The perps had the gun. It was an armed robbery to begin with, before they saw the gun.

So are you proposing that delivery drivers carry open, with a big sign on the car: "I HAVE A GUN. DO NOT TRY TO ROB ME".

/being young and dumb, they would try it anyway, just to steal the gun as well as the pizza+cash
 
2012-12-30 05:17:32 PM

Jument: mr lawson: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?

AFTER tax and fuel, some drivers can make 700 to 850 a week take home.
/been there..done that

That seems fairly unbelievable. Can you do that 50 weeks a year working a reasonable number of hours a week?


It's not the hours that matter, it's the tips.

Some days, I barely broke even after paying for expenses. Other days, I came home with $600 for 4 hours of "work".

If you're in a good area, without a lot of very rich or very poor, you can make better money than a lot of "good" jobs out there. As long as you get a decent manager (indie shops are virtually always better than corporate/franchise), it's practically the best job you can find if you want a low-stress job with a decent earning potential.

I wouldn't recommend it as a career, but for someone between jobs it's better than waiting 6+ hours in the welfare office just to find out that you don't qualify since you have $500 over the limit in your bank account.
 
2012-12-30 05:18:55 PM
RINO: Typos and bolded text.


Wow, I failed pretty hard, there.
 
2012-12-30 05:20:10 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: thaylin: That is funny. Reread your statement

Funny? Reread?
I read it. I used to work for that chain.

The perps had the gun. It was an armed robbery to begin with, before they saw the gun.

So are you proposing that delivery drivers carry open, with a big sign on the car: "I HAVE A GUN. DO NOT TRY TO ROB ME".

/being young and dumb, they would try it anyway, just to steal the gun as well as the pizza+cash


THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF ROBBING HIM AND LETTING HIM LIVE BEFORE THEY SAW THE GUN.

If they wanted him dead they would have shot him and took the cash to begin win, but they didnt until they saw the gun, PER YOUR OWN WORDS.
 
2012-12-30 05:30:55 PM

thaylin: THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF ROBBING HIM AND LETTING HIM LIVE BEFORE THEY SAW THE GUN.

If they wanted him dead they would have shot him and took the cash to begin win, but they didnt until they saw the gun, PER YOUR OWN WORDS.


It was already armed robbery. He was face down on the ground, with a gun aimed at him.
 
2012-12-30 05:31:44 PM
Don't know if it's been covered, but TFA doesn't even say they were robbing him. If they just attacked him, which there's a very good chance of being true since it was 5 teens and that's the kind of thing 5 teens would do, couldn't Pizza Hut be sued by the driver?

Telling someone they have to accept a beating is in no way legal.
 
2012-12-30 05:33:48 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: thaylin: THEY WERE IN THE PROCESS OF ROBBING HIM AND LETTING HIM LIVE BEFORE THEY SAW THE GUN.

If they wanted him dead they would have shot him and took the cash to begin win, but they didnt until they saw the gun, PER YOUR OWN WORDS.

It was already armed robbery. He was face down on the ground, with a gun aimed at him.


But they were allowing him to live.. That is the point, it was not a murder until they saw he was carrying a gun of his own. If he did not have it there would have been a good chance of him living...... How do you keep glossing over that...
 
2012-12-30 05:34:37 PM

JonPace: Don't know if it's been covered, but TFA doesn't even say they were robbing him. If they just attacked him, which there's a very good chance of being true since it was 5 teens and that's the kind of thing 5 teens would do, couldn't Pizza Hut be sued by the driver?

Telling someone they have to accept a beating is in no way legal.


No one said he had to accept a beating, just that he is not allowed to have a weapon him is car, or resist a robbery.
 
2012-12-30 05:41:01 PM
If I had to deliver pizza I'd certainly carry a blasterpiece.  How many times can you listen to biatching from some fat ass that they forgot the extra cheese or didn't put on enough pepperoni?  You just have to pop that cap.  I read where someone actually wanted them to bring back napkins.  At minimum that would have been a stabbin'.
 
2012-12-30 05:42:11 PM

thaylin: But they were allowing him to live.. That is the point, it was not a murder until they saw he was carrying a gun of his own. If he did not have it there would have been a good chance of him living...... How do you keep glossing over that...


I'm not glossing over that. I am saying that it was already an armed robbery, in a local string of armed robberies of pizza delivery drivers.
I'm not sure what your point is in relation to the overall discussion. During armed robberies, people have been shot, whether or not they had a weapon on them. Just because the armed robbers were idiots.
 
2012-12-30 05:44:45 PM

thaylin: No one said he had to accept a beating, just that he is not allowed to have a weapon stick him is car, or resist a robbery getting beaten.


Show us, in the linked article, where the word 'robbery' appears. I see 'attacked' and 'defend'. But not robbery.
 
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