Ex-Texan: Corporate policy = "how many lights do you see?"
silverjets: That shouldn't be a surprise. The rich didn't get rich by giving away their money.
MrBallou: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?Anchovy can opener.
DanZero: Is this really any different than any other corporate policy on the books telling employees not to "be a hero" when it comes to being robbed/stopping shoplifters? Major liabilities for them are abound if you try to stop them, and we've seen enough stories about people getting fired here for doing just that. It's an unfortunate situation, but people need to know the company is more than likely *not* to take their side in a situation like this.
sheep snorter: People have even not been charged when defending themselves against the police attacking them without just cause(excessive force).
brobinson2001: Halon is safe under 7% concentration, most places use 5%.
silverjets: Fuggin Bizzy: Jake Havechek: I was a pizza guy for 3 years. Rich people and teenagers are the worst tippers.I was a mover for 3 years, and I can attest to this. Ironically, the rich are terrible tippers. Half the time, they don't even say "Thank you."That shouldn't be a surprise. The rich didn't get rich by giving away their money./Just sayin'
spawn73: cherryl taggart: spawn73: JasonGriffee: So, what did the managers want him to do? Or am I missing something?They wanted him to not carry weapons in the car. That he defended himself wasn't the problem, it was the weapon he brought with him for that purpose.(I assume the only legit reason to carry a half tentpole in a Pizzahut car is as a weapon, although it sounds like a sucky weapon).The backseat of my car is the repository of all things kid-related. If my kid was super active in scouting, I would probably be able to find most of the parts of a tent back there. And if, I drive up to an intersection and an incident of attempted thuggery were to occur, I most definitely would be able to improvise a weapon out of the debris in my car. And my standard response to any question is "I panicked, because I was in fear of my life. I didn't know that a (insert noun here) could do that much damage to a person."I'm not from USA, so not too familiar with Pizza Hut.I thought they drove around in a Pizza Hut car? If it's their own car, then yes it seems plausible that there's a lot of stuff there that could be used as a weapon, even though it wasn't why it was placed there.That explanation sounds plausible, because if you're going to drive around with a weapon, you would probably do better than a tentpole.
dr-shotgun: Eh, Uncle Enzo is an oblique reference to the situation at best.
liam76: Going on the article he was attacked. In that case it isn't defending company property he is defending himself. I am sure a good lawyer could come up with some rights of hit they violated for punishing himself for self defense.
stuffy: He had a tent pole.
YouPeopleAreCrazy: A tent pole that happened to be in his car.
mr lawson: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?AFTER tax and fuel, some drivers can make 700 to 850 a week take home./been there..done that
dr-shotgun: elffster: dr-shotgun: Nearly 50 posts in and not a single Snow Crash reference...You people are slipping.Look upthread, someone said Enzo. Pay attention, squirt.Eh, Uncle Enzo is an oblique reference to the situation at best.I wold have been happy with:"Didn't get nothing but trouble from The Swincegood"
The My Little Pony Killer: YouPeopleAreCrazy: A tent pole that happened to be in his car.That he was doing what with again?
ima turkey: Papa Johns is better anyway. No more of my money to Pizza Hut, KFC, Taco Bell.
mongbiohazard: tenpoundsofcheese: JasonGriffee: So, what did the managers want him to do?NOT carry a weaponOr am I missing something?Yes, this wasn't about defending himself, it was about having a weapon.Actually, you're wrong. It wasn't a weapon per se, it was an improvised weapon...
The My Little Pony Killer: That he was doing what with again?
semiotix: Sam Swicegood was attacked on December 17th by a group of five teens and he defended himself with a part of a tent pole that was in his car.The Deliverator never pulled that gun in anger, or in fear. He pulled it once in Gila Highlands. Some punks in Gila Highlands, a fancy Burbclave, wanted themselves a delivery, and they didn't want to pay for it. Thought they would impress the Deliverator with a baseball bat. The Deliverator took out his gun, centered its laser doohickey on that poised Louisville Slugger, fired it. The recoil was immense, as though the weapon had blown up in his hand. The middle third of the baseball bat turned into a column of burning sawdust accelerating in all directions like a bursting star. Punk ended up holding this bat handle with milky smoke pouring out the end. Stupid look on his face. Didn't get nothing but trouble from the Deliverator.Since then the Deliverator has kept the gun in the glove compartment and relied, instead, on a part of a tent pole, which had always been his weapon of choice anyhow. The punks in Gila Highlands weren't afraid of the gun, so the Deliverator was forced to use it. But partially assembled tents need no demonstrations.
gambitsgirl: The My Little Pony Killer: YouPeopleAreCrazy: A tent pole that happened to be in his car.That he was doing what with again?I know it's weird but maybe he... camps? It's his personal car and It's a pretty good bet he doesn't keep a flimsy tent pole as a weapon. Those are hollow aluminum. Sounds like "grab what you can get"
YouPeopleAreCrazy: According to the article, defending himself.
tenpoundsofcheese: No subby, he was demoted for carrying a weapon.
RINO: I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.
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TheManofPA: Pizza Hut is messed up with their delivery rules. Basically, you need more than 20 dollars on you when you make deliveries in some cases....but if you get robbed and had more than 20 bucks on you, you can get fired because drivers aren't supposed to have more than 20 bucks on them.I remember there was one place we delivered where a there had been 2 or 3 robberies AND then driver got stabbed (we had the inner city route). PH decided not to drop that location despite no tips/always dangerous but allowed the driver who got stabbed to always skip those so someone else had to take it.
The My Little Pony Killer: You're so close, yet still so far away. You must be doing this on purpose. You're good.
YouPeopleAreCrazy: RINO: I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.That's bad. Even back in the mid-eighties in NW Lousyana I'd makemin $75/week in tips.Biggest single tip? $60. Sunday afternoon church youth service meeting. $140 order, and he wrote me a check for $200.
Fuggin Bizzy: thecactusman17: This is why anybody delivering pizza should carry one of these:That looks like it takes 178 D-cells. I'm not sure your average pizza driver can afford one.
Ken VeryBigLiar: liam76: Going on the article he was attacked. In that case it isn't defending company property he is defending himself. I am sure a good lawyer could come up with some rights of hit they violated for punishing himself for self defense.The company's issue isn't with it's property being damaged, it's paying a work comp death claim for a worker who didn't need to put their life on the line.
YouPeopleAreCrazy: The My Little Pony Killer: You're so close, yet still so far away. You must be doing this on purpose. You're good.FTA:"Sam was demoted for violating a company policy on carrying weapons."He wasn't carrying a weapon, he was carrying a tentpole in the car. He used the pole as a weapon to defend himself when attacked. But that was (apparently) not the intended purpose of the tentpole being in the car.Under your reasoning, any item would be a "weapon" if I used it to defend myself, no matter why it was in the car. So I guess the only option is to let them beat my ass.No thanks.
YouPeopleAreCrazy: RINO: I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.That's bad...
thaylin: Because I have not seen it, the idea is not that they will be sued, but what happens now that the thieves know this guy is carrying a weapon? they will carry a bigger weapon, and maybe shoot the driver instead of just telling him to hand over the money. The corporate policy is there to protect all the drivers and store employees from this sort of escalation. If the public things drivers get killed, then they wont be able to hire drivers.
here to help: Well that's what he gets for being a slacker. If he had worked harder in life he wouldn't have had to deal with this. Don't blame Pizza Hut for standing by company policy.
Dumb-Ass-Monkey: This is the company that fired me (and other drivers) right before reaching 200 Accident Free Hours driving. At the time, anyway, the 200 AFH mark was supposed to earn a raise. They couldn't have that, so....
The My Little Pony Killer: Amazing thought, that. If you use something as a weapon, it's a weapon. If you improvise something to use as a weapon, and you then use it as a weapon, it's a weapon. Granted, it wasn't a weapon before the attack, but the instant he used it as one and then put it right back into his car, it became a weapon in his car. He broke Pizza Hut's stupid little rule.
tenpoundsofcheese: The only reason the tent pole was in the car was to be used as a weapon, unless of course he had the rest of the tent there.
jso2897: here to help: Well that's what he gets for being a slacker. If he had worked harder in life he wouldn't have had to deal with this. Don't blame Pizza Hut for standing by company policy.This. While our society would cease to function in a New York minute if people didn't do menial jobs, we should still stipulate that those who do them should be paid and treated like shiat, as a demonstration of our superiority over them.
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