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2012-12-30 01:28:04 PM
THOSE DAMN YOUTHS!

YOUTHS!!!!
 
2012-12-30 01:28:19 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: silverjets: Pizza Hut's products and their money is not worth my life.

Corporate assets are not worth my life, even if they're valuable. I read a post here years ago that said "If a fire breaks out in the data center where I work, I'm supposed to activate a Halon fire suppression system that will save the equipment and kill me. fark that." Yep.


Someone was a moran. Halon is safe under 7% concentration, most places use 5%.
 
2012-12-30 01:28:55 PM

Ex-Texan: Corporate policy = "how many lights do you see?"


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2012-12-30 01:29:51 PM

silverjets: That shouldn't be a surprise. The rich didn't get rich by giving away their money.


I don't know...I see what you're saying, but at the same time the rich man I know best (founder and CEO of our company before we got acquired) got rich while being very, very good about spreading the wealth around in the form of great salaries, stock options & purchase plans ... etc.

Would it kill them to be decent human beings and at least say "thank you" when we've - oh, I don't know - moved the heirloom piano up three flights of spiral stairs in the brand-new house with nary a ding or scratch on the house or the piano? $5 a head on that job would have set them back ... a whopping $30. And all we got for it was (effectively) a GTFO.
 
2012-12-30 01:30:28 PM

MrBallou: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?

Anchovy can opener.


since it's pizza hut...he was demoted to having to eat their pizza.
 
2012-12-30 01:31:21 PM

DanZero: Is this really any different than any other corporate policy on the books telling employees not to "be a hero" when it comes to being robbed/stopping shoplifters? Major liabilities for them are abound if you try to stop them, and we've seen enough stories about people getting fired here for doing just that. It's an unfortunate situation, but people need to know the company is more than likely *not* to take their side in a situation like this.


Going on the article he was attacked. In that case it isn't defending company property he is defending himself. I am sure a good lawyer could come up with some rights of hit they violated for punishing himself for self defense.


sheep snorter: People have even not been charged when defending themselves against the police attacking them without just cause(excessive force).



Never heard of that, and have heard of people being charged for defending themsleves when police illegally attacked them/invaded their home.
 
2012-12-30 01:31:51 PM

brobinson2001: Halon is safe under 7% concentration, most places use 5%.


Interesting ... *strokes goatee*

I did not know that.
 
2012-12-30 01:32:04 PM

silverjets: Fuggin Bizzy: Jake Havechek: I was a pizza guy for 3 years. Rich people and teenagers are the worst tippers.

I was a mover for 3 years, and I can attest to this. Ironically, the rich are terrible tippers. Half the time, they don't even say "Thank you."

That shouldn't be a surprise. The rich didn't get rich by giving away their money.

/Just sayin'


There are people who look rich because they have so much financing going on. They are tightasses with all their money going to keeping up their lifestyle. Guys who own landscaping and fabricating businesses and such, they're the people who have all kinds of cash to throw around and have fun with. They don't usually look rich but they've got more money than the people with the huge house and the front yard that looks like it came out of a magazine.
 
2012-12-30 01:32:22 PM

spawn73: cherryl taggart: spawn73: JasonGriffee: So, what did the managers want him to do? Or am I missing something?

They wanted him to not carry weapons in the car. That he defended himself wasn't the problem, it was the weapon he brought with him for that purpose.

(I assume the only legit reason to carry a half tentpole in a Pizzahut car is as a weapon, although it sounds like a sucky weapon).

The backseat of my car is the repository of all things kid-related. If my kid was super active in scouting, I would probably be able to find most of the parts of a tent back there. And if, I drive up to an intersection and an incident of attempted thuggery were to occur, I most definitely would be able to improvise a weapon out of the debris in my car. And my standard response to any question is "I panicked, because I was in fear of my life. I didn't know that a (insert noun here) could do that much damage to a person."

I'm not from USA, so not too familiar with Pizza Hut.

I thought they drove around in a Pizza Hut car? If it's their own car, then yes it seems plausible that there's a lot of stuff there that could be used as a weapon, even though it wasn't why it was placed there.

That explanation sounds plausible, because if you're going to drive around with a weapon, you would probably do better than a tentpole.


They drive their own cars with movable signs attached to the top of the car.
 
2012-12-30 01:32:41 PM

dr-shotgun: Eh, Uncle Enzo is an oblique reference to the situation at best.


Seriously? You're going to go with that? Uncle Enzo is oblique?

Next time, try "Oh, yeah, I missed it. Oops."
 
2012-12-30 01:34:55 PM

liam76: Going on the article he was attacked. In that case it isn't defending company property he is defending himself. I am sure a good lawyer could come up with some rights of hit they violated for punishing himself for self defense.


The company's issue isn't with it's property being damaged, it's paying a work comp death claim for a worker who didn't need to put their life on the line.
 
2012-12-30 01:34:59 PM

stuffy: He had a tent pole.


That he was carrying around for the purpose of ...?

/it's a stupid farking rule
//but it's still their rule and he broke it
 
2012-12-30 01:35:35 PM
However, it occurs to me that if you are indicating that you did not miss the reference, but simply dismissed it as being inadequate, that perhaps you're really attempting to cover for having actually missed the reference.

Why must you see so through me?
 
2012-12-30 01:35:43 PM
Why do you people give your money to Pizza Hut, Taco Bell and KFC!!
Yeah, it's cheaper sometimes, but there are better alternatives out there that don't cost much more.

I'd rather pay $12 for an awesome pizza from my local mom & pop, or even $1 per taco at the (real) Mexican place.
Maybe it's just where I live, the local KFC shut down.
There's a local place that has wings that will make you orgasm. And I don't even particularly like wings.
 
2012-12-30 01:36:32 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: A tent pole that happened to be in his car.


That he was doing what with again?
 
2012-12-30 01:37:28 PM
Here's a feel good story from the WXYZ-TV archives for y'all....

Link
 
2012-12-30 01:38:42 PM
What kind of idiots are these 5 teens anyway? You wait until the driver gets up to the house or whatever and then you jump him. He'd have to be carrying his weapon to the door.
 
2012-12-30 01:39:14 PM

mr lawson: Pud: What exactly do you demote a delivery driver to?

AFTER tax and fuel, some drivers can make 700 to 850 a week take home.
/been there..done that


I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.
 
2012-12-30 01:39:46 PM
Papa Johns is better anyway. No more of my money to Pizza Hut, KFC, Taco Bell.
 
2012-12-30 01:39:58 PM

dr-shotgun: elffster: dr-shotgun: Nearly 50 posts in and not a single Snow Crash reference...

You people are slipping.

Look upthread, someone said Enzo. Pay attention, squirt.

Eh, Uncle Enzo is an oblique reference to the situation at best.

I wold have been happy with:

"Didn't get nothing but trouble from The Swincegood"


But it's still a reference.  You don't have to get mad that you missed it.
 
2012-12-30 01:41:49 PM
Every story has two sides. Maybe the teens were defending themselves from awful pizza.
 
2012-12-30 01:42:15 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: YouPeopleAreCrazy: A tent pole that happened to be in his car.

That he was doing what with again?


I know it's weird but maybe he... camps? It's his personal car and It's a pretty good bet he doesn't keep a flimsy tent pole as a weapon. Those are hollow aluminum. Sounds like "grab what you can get"
 
2012-12-30 01:42:49 PM
why is he working delivering pizza's anyway
he should be a computer programmer
 
2012-12-30 01:43:11 PM

ima turkey: Papa Johns is better anyway. No more of my money to Pizza Hut, KFC, Taco Bell.


same policy as pizza hut.
 
2012-12-30 01:45:39 PM

mongbiohazard: tenpoundsofcheese: JasonGriffee: So, what did the managers want him to do?

NOT carry a weapon

Or am I missing something?
Yes, this wasn't about defending himself, it was about having a weapon.


Actually, you're wrong. It wasn't a weapon per se, it was an improvised weapon...


That's much more impressive, then. He managed to fight off five attackers with a -4 to hit?

/Obscure?
 
2012-12-30 01:46:00 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: That he was doing what with again?


According to the article, defending himself.

At any point in time, I might have several items in my car of similar size, and possibly even heavier.
A lug wrench, crowbar, some 1x2s for a home project, maybe even a tent pole. None of which are a 'weapon'.

Now, if a group of teens attacked me (according to the article), I might grab one of those items to defend myself (again, according to the article).
Now...was the lug wrench in the car as a weapon, or did it just happen to be at hand when I was attacked?

I know the state of current journalistic investigation really sucks, but at no point in that article did the words mugging or robbery appear. Attacked.
 
2012-12-30 01:46:23 PM

semiotix: Sam Swicegood was attacked on December 17th by a group of five teens and he defended himself with a part of a tent pole that was in his car.

The Deliverator never pulled that gun in anger, or in fear. He pulled it once in Gila Highlands. Some punks in Gila Highlands, a fancy Burbclave, wanted themselves a delivery, and they didn't want to pay for it. Thought they would impress the Deliverator with a baseball bat. The Deliverator took out his gun, centered its laser doohickey on that poised Louisville Slugger, fired it. The recoil was immense, as though the weapon had blown up in his hand. The middle third of the baseball bat turned into a column of burning sawdust accelerating in all directions like a bursting star. Punk ended up holding this bat handle with milky smoke pouring out the end. Stupid look on his face. Didn't get nothing but trouble from the Deliverator.

Since then the Deliverator has kept the gun in the glove compartment and relied, instead, on a part of a tent pole, which had always been his weapon of choice anyhow. The punks in Gila Highlands weren't afraid of the gun, so the Deliverator was forced to use it. But partially assembled tents need no demonstrations.


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2012-12-30 01:47:05 PM

gambitsgirl: The My Little Pony Killer: YouPeopleAreCrazy: A tent pole that happened to be in his car.

That he was doing what with again?

I know it's weird but maybe he... camps? It's his personal car and It's a pretty good bet he doesn't keep a flimsy tent pole as a weapon. Those are hollow aluminum. Sounds like "grab what you can get"


Which would make the tentpole a ...?

/come on people, I know you're not this ignorant
 
2012-12-30 01:48:04 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: According to the article, defending himself.


You're so close, yet still so far away.  You must be doing this on purpose.  You're good.
 
2012-12-30 01:48:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: No subby, he was demoted for carrying a weapon.


He was not. He had a tent pole in the car that he used to defend himself. I can create some decent blunt force trauma with a tightly rolled newspaper, that doesn't make it a weapon, it means that a "weapon" can be improvised from just about anything.

/Would rather swing this stainless steel coffee cup rather than poke you with paper though.
 
2012-12-30 01:49:04 PM
Because I have not seen it, the idea is not that they will be sued, but what happens now that the thieves know this guy is carrying a weapon? they will carry a bigger weapon, and maybe shoot the driver instead of just telling him to hand over the money. The corporate policy is there to protect all the drivers and store employees from this sort of escalation. If the public things drivers get killed, then they wont be able to hire drivers.
 
2012-12-30 01:50:13 PM

RINO: I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.


That's bad. Even back in the mid-eighties in NW Lousyana I'd makemin $75/week in tips.
Biggest single tip? $60. Sunday afternoon church youth service meeting. $140 order, and he wrote me a check for $200.
 
2012-12-30 01:53:57 PM

mongbiohazard: ed something up the


TheManofPA: Pizza Hut is messed up with their delivery rules.  Basically, you need more than 20 dollars on you when you make deliveries in some cases....but if you get robbed and had more than 20 bucks on you, you can get fired because drivers aren't supposed to have more than 20 bucks on them.

I remember there was one place we delivered where a there had been 2 or 3 robberies AND then driver got stabbed (we had the inner city route). PH decided not to drop that location despite no tips/always dangerous but allowed the driver who got stabbed to always skip those so someone else had to take it.


When do you ever need more then 20 on you? They dont accept 100s unless the bill is 80 or greater, or 50s unless 30 or greater, so you never need more then 20 on you.
 
2012-12-30 01:54:32 PM
So you fire a delivery driver? No Problem!
In a recession - there's no shortage of applicants for the job if you lose one or two...
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2012-12-30 01:55:11 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: You're so close, yet still so far away. You must be doing this on purpose. You're good.


FTA:
"Sam was demoted for violating a company policy on carrying weapons."

He wasn't carrying a weapon, he was carrying a tentpole in the car. He used the pole as a weapon to defend himself when attacked. But that was (apparently) not the intended purpose of the tentpole being in the car.

Under your reasoning, any item would be a "weapon" if I used it to defend myself, no matter why it was in the car. So I guess the only option is to let them beat my ass.
No thanks.
 
2012-12-30 01:56:04 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: RINO: I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.

That's bad. Even back in the mid-eighties in NW Lousyana I'd makemin $75/week in tips.
Biggest single tip? $60. Sunday afternoon church youth service meeting. $140 order, and he wrote me a check for $200.


I once delivered to Pope Air force base and got a 200 tip from the officers wives, but that is back when I was skinny and attractive, damn inactivity.
 
2012-12-30 01:57:19 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: thecactusman17: This is why anybody delivering pizza should carry one of these:

That looks like it takes 178 D-cells. I'm not sure your average pizza driver can afford one.


Nope, just six. But that makes it long enough to get some serious swing momentum with more weight (and pain) than a tent pole.
 
2012-12-30 01:57:41 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: liam76: Going on the article he was attacked. In that case it isn't defending company property he is defending himself. I am sure a good lawyer could come up with some rights of hit they violated for punishing himself for self defense.

The company's issue isn't with it's property being damaged, it's paying a work comp death claim for a worker who didn't need to put their life on the line.


He was attacked. He didn't put his life on the line, the attackers did. The company, by demoting him, is saying employees will be punished for defending themselves.
 
2012-12-30 01:57:50 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: The My Little Pony Killer: You're so close, yet still so far away. You must be doing this on purpose. You're good.

FTA:
"Sam was demoted for violating a company policy on carrying weapons."

He wasn't carrying a weapon, he was carrying a tentpole in the car. He used the pole as a weapon to defend himself when attacked. But that was (apparently) not the intended purpose of the tentpole being in the car.

Under your reasoning, any item would be a "weapon" if I used it to defend myself, no matter why it was in the car. So I guess the only option is to let them beat my ass.
No thanks.


Amazing thought, that.  If you use something as a weapon, it's a weapon.  If you improvise something to use as a weapon, and you then use it as a weapon, it's a weapon.  Granted, it wasn't a weapon before the attack, but the instant he used it as one and then put it right back into his car, it became a weapon in his car.  He broke Pizza Hut's stupid little rule.
 
2012-12-30 01:59:33 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: RINO: I would assume this depends on where you work. I spent three months delivering pizza and at the end of that time, had made a grand total of eighty-some-odd dollars in tips.

That's bad...


Yeah, but that's Dayton for you.

/There was a section of our delivery area we weren't allowed to go to because the drivers were robbed so often.
//There was another section we still went to but were told never to leave the car running there.
///I carried a 16" ASP, but never had to use it.
 
2012-12-30 02:00:39 PM
I don't know why we let thieves get off as easily as we do. Get rid of a thief, and you not only get rid of a thief, its less economic pressure on everyone else (which should mean less incentive for others to steal, as there's less demand for resources). In the interests of fairness we would have to do the same for the corporate versions, though, and, sad to say, that wouldn't fly.
 
2012-12-30 02:01:10 PM

thaylin: Because I have not seen it, the idea is not that they will be sued, but what happens now that the thieves know this guy is carrying a weapon? they will carry a bigger weapon, and maybe shoot the driver instead of just telling him to hand over the money. The corporate policy is there to protect all the drivers and store employees from this sort of escalation. If the public things drivers get killed, then they wont be able to hire drivers.


Or they could decline to deliver in that neighborhood again.
 
2012-12-30 02:02:00 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: The My Little Pony Killer: You're so close, yet still so far away. You must be doing this on purpose. You're good.

FTA:
"Sam was demoted for violating a company policy on carrying weapons."

He wasn't carrying a weapon, he was carrying a tentpole in the car. He used the pole as a weapon to defend himself when attacked. But that was (apparently) not the intended purpose of the tentpole being in the car.

Under your reasoning, any item would be a "weapon" if I used it to defend myself, no matter why it was in the car. So I guess the only option is to let them beat my ass.
No thanks.


The only reason the tent pole was in the car was to be used as a weapon, unless of course he had the rest of the tent there.

So yes, he was carrying a weapon with him.

The option was to give up the pizzas and the money.  That is what the company wants you to do.
 
2012-12-30 02:02:27 PM

here to help: Well that's what he gets for being a slacker. If he had worked harder in life he wouldn't have had to deal with this. Don't blame Pizza Hut for standing by company policy.


This. While our society would cease to function in a New York minute if people didn't do menial jobs, we should still stipulate that those who do them should be paid and treated like shiat, as a demonstration of our superiority over them.
 
2012-12-30 02:02:40 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: This is the company that fired me (and other drivers) right before reaching 200 Accident Free Hours driving. At the time, anyway, the 200 AFH mark was supposed to earn a raise. They couldn't have that, so....


Hilarious, since 200 accident-free days shouldn't be an issue, even for stoned 18-year-olds. It's sort of like those "achievement badges" you get for clicking on the start button of a flash game.

FWIW, since Pizza Hut probably does enter into a written contract of employment with its drivers, they didn't have to give you a raise then or any other time. Obviously you were fired the minute you stopped making the trainee wage, but in this case it sounds more like the work of a desperate asshole low-level manager trying to balance the books. Pizza Hut, Inc., probably wanted you to stay on the job making minimum-wage-plus-a-quarter rather than being pissed off at them for the rest of your life.
 
2012-12-30 02:03:35 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Amazing thought, that. If you use something as a weapon, it's a weapon. If you improvise something to use as a weapon, and you then use it as a weapon, it's a weapon. Granted, it wasn't a weapon before the attack, but the instant he used it as one and then put it right back into his car, it became a weapon in his car. He broke Pizza Hut's stupid little rule.


Yes, it becomes a weapon when you use it as such.
However....right now, there is a tire iron on the passenger floor of my truck. Am I carrying a weapon? If I use it to defend myself, it is still a tire iron - an item carried in alomst every car on the road.

PH has taken issue with him 'carrying a weapon'. In that case, every single driver they have is 'carrying a weapon' in their vehicle.
 
2012-12-30 02:04:24 PM
If you don't mindlessly rules like this, especially when it's a high profile case, it sends a signal that thinking is tolerated.
 
2012-12-30 02:04:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The only reason the tent pole was in the car was to be used as a weapon, unless of course he had the rest of the tent there.


And you know this how? A tent pole is not what I would choose to carry as a 'weapon'.
 
2012-12-30 02:05:27 PM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: This is the company that fired me (and other drivers) right before reaching 200 Accident Free Hours driving. At the time, anyway, the 200 AFH mark was supposed to earn a raise. They couldn't have that, so....


/Hardly surprising.  I've seen people fired from a large company here when they were one day from their one year anniversary. The next day they were supposed to be a full union member with benefits.  Time after time, just walked them out.  Next. Gotta feel the love.
 
2012-12-30 02:05:46 PM
Glen Burnie? Really? The evil is spreading.
 
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