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2012-12-30 10:21:47 AM  

TheOther: Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?


That depends. Does a space alien piling people up around volcanoes so he could nuke them strike you as more or less wacky?
 
2012-12-30 10:22:42 AM  

TheOther: Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?


Which son?

/saw a convincing argument a while ago that it wasn't isaac, it was ishmael...
 
2012-12-30 10:24:39 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: Well, unfortunately, you can't be said to think for yourself if somebody makes you go in a certain direction. Your course should be whatever it would have been if the other person had said nothing. Going off in the "opposite direction" is not any different than going in the same direction if it was the other person who made you go that way.


Oh, for Heaven's sake. I really don't let other people dictate to me what I believe. It's more of a rhetorical thing: somebody lectures to me about how their belief system is the best one, I'll take a devil's advocate position that they're wrong. And then when they go away, I'll go back to believing what I always do.
 
2012-12-30 10:26:58 AM  

phrawgh: MadSkillz: RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.

I'm going off of stories collected from other people, which may be biased. It's possible that in their particular sect/group/district/church that there was pressure to avoid being friends with those outside of the faith.  I inappropriately passed as truth something that was heresay and unproven, and therefore invalid.  Therefore, I apologize.

Are you a current JW? If so, does your religion or religious leader in your 'kingdom hall' or whatever your particular church is called discourage people in the religion from having friends who are not JWs? If you are no longer a JW, while you were a JW, was there a discouragement from forming friendships with people outside of your group?

Of course those who leave the church will not be able to associate with those who stay. Those who leave will be writhing in hell for all eternity while those who stay will sit at God's right hand in heaven.


Yeah, but we can still hang out.
 
2012-12-30 10:49:09 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: HindiDiscoMonster: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.

Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!

and the Mead.... can't forget to mention the Mead for Odin's sake!

Yule is not yet over, and I've already received three bottles of home brewed mead. I am a happy little Heathen!

I got lots of nommy stuff for Yule so far, and have given lots of nommy stuff as well (breads, cookies, tamales and candy at my end). Those who can make their own mead have my undying admiration. Brew on, you Viking clad mead warriors! I shall support you forever! (as long as I at least get a taste. please.) Hail Odin!

*paints a Valknut on her underpants in the hope she'll get a little something something*


How *YOU* doin'?

/ Alas, I am already partnered...she's more celtic than I. I'm kinda heathen/celtic pagan, she's just celtic. But yay for the mead :D And, you know, she's pretty down for all kinda freaky stuff, so head on over...
 
2012-12-30 10:50:06 AM  
The distinction between a cult and a religion is only made by those with religion.

As an atheist, the two are the same.
 
2012-12-30 10:51:45 AM  

FlashHarry: we make fun of scientology, but there is no fundamental difference between its mythology and that of christianity, judaism or islam - or any religion that involves the supernatural, for that matter. what's more ridiculous, the xenu-spaceship-volcanoes thing or mary being raped by an invisible sky wizard, giving birth to a future zombie-god (who is actually the same entity who raped her)? the only real difference is the age of the religion and the number of adherents.

so when you make fun of scientology or mormonism or whatever "funny" or "weird" religion... remember that yours may be just as funny or weird.


Only one of these sues people for telling outsiders about their funny beliefs.
 
2012-12-30 11:00:06 AM  
As an agnostic, I often get the feeling of living inside a giant insane asylum. Not only do all the other inmates have the delusion of being an important historical character, but they all think they're the One True Napoleon. Not that I'm free from delusion, either; if this were truly a solipsistic world, the other people would only be figments of my imagination and, as figments, their metaphysical beliefs would be silly and unsubstantial--like magic underwear, spaceships that look like Boeing 707s without engines, practicing cannibalism with a wafer and sip of wine, bizarro crap like that that has NO FREAKING CHANCE of ever being remotely true. Of course, I don't think the world is solipsistic, otherwise Scientologists and other idiots who annoy me would be spontaneously-combusting all the time...
 
2012-12-30 11:02:54 AM  
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2012-12-30 11:04:19 AM  

jso2897: Whenever I hear these farkers start to talk about "how atheists act", my shiat-detector goes into full bore mode.
I was born and raised a non-believer, and have known countless other non-believers in my life - and yet, do not know ONE SINGLE PERSON who acts like the "angry athiests" I hear so much about around here.
Anybody can pretend to be anything on the Internet, and post whatever they like.
As a practical matter - in this society, how could a person contrive to never associate with religious people on a day-to-day basis? Has anybody actually, really met this person? Can anyone give me a name, or Email, or Phone number, so I can ask them how they plan to accomplish this?
Bullshiat - I'm calling it.


Bullshait right back at ya, bub.  I know more than one "angry atheist."  Deny it all you like.
 
2012-12-30 11:06:27 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: FlashHarry: we make fun of scientology, but there is no fundamental difference between its mythology and that of christianity, judaism or islam - or any religion that involves the supernatural, for that matter. what's more ridiculous, the xenu-spaceship-volcanoes thing or mary being raped by an invisible sky wizard, giving birth to a future zombie-god (who is actually the same entity who raped her)? the only real difference is the age of the religion and the number of adherents.

so when you make fun of scientology or mormonism or whatever "funny" or "weird" religion... remember that yours may be just as funny or weird.

Only one of these sues people for telling outsiders about their funny beliefs.


Only one of these practices cannibalism by literally eating the body and blood of its founder.*

*If you believe the BS metaphysical arguments of the Catholic Church that the wafer and wine are LITERALLY flesh and blood, then Catholics are LITERALLY practicing cannibalism which is probably against the law in most jurisdictions outside of Ooga Booga Island.
 
2012-12-30 11:07:10 AM  

A Shambling Mound: TheOther: Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?

That depends. Does a space alien piling people up around volcanoes so he could nuke them strike you as more or less wacky?


Isn't that the plot for Star Wars: Episode VII?...so...less.
 
2012-12-30 11:09:31 AM  

Psycat: It's simple, folks. If you need an organization to tell you how to think--whether Scientology, the Catholic Church, Marxism, Ayn Rand, PETA, some militant atheist organization--you're a brain-dead zombie in my book.

Hell, I don't even like to call myself a Freethinker because I don't even want to be associated with the various Freethought organizations that have existed through the years. I will always be a member of the Church of Farking Thinking for Myself Already...


"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."
 
2012-12-30 11:10:07 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: So does this mean it's not a dirty word anymore?
/RIP Douglas Adams


came for this, leaving satisfied
 
2012-12-30 11:10:36 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: TheOther: Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?

Which son?

/saw a convincing argument a while ago that it wasn't isaac, it was ishmael...


Does that make a difference...other than to Isaac and Ishmael, of course?
 
2012-12-30 11:11:13 AM  

Farking Canuck: It is extremely common on fark for the religious to demonize atheists. I always have to ask these people "If you have to argue your position with blatant lies ... what does it say about your position?".


Considering how much bullshiat you've posted about religion in previous threads, I'd love to ask you that question, actually.

When it comes to religion in general and atheism, you are the least intellectually honest poster on Fark I know of.

(The "in general" part is important because there are a few farkers who have a thing for Islam in particular who outdo you.)
 
2012-12-30 11:13:21 AM  
Link

/not obscure
//but hot
///and from Belgium so getting a kick out of these sprouts
 
2012-12-30 11:14:16 AM  

snocone: Psycat: It's simple, folks. If you need an organization to tell you how to think--whether Scientology, the Catholic Church, Marxism, Ayn Rand, PETA, some militant atheist organization--you're a brain-dead zombie in my book.

Hell, I don't even like to call myself a Freethinker because I don't even want to be associated with the various Freethought organizations that have existed through the years. I will always be a member of the Church of Farking Thinking for Myself Already...

"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."


Wasn't that Groucho Marx? Wasn't it Horsefeathers or some other Marx film that had these immortal words to live by:

"Your proposition may be good/
but let's have one thing understood/
whatever it is, I'm against it!/
it doesn't really matter who commenced it/
I'm against it!"
 
2012-12-30 11:14:23 AM  

Psycat: Skirl Hutsenreiter: FlashHarry: we make fun of scientology, but there is no fundamental difference between its mythology and that of christianity, judaism or islam - or any religion that involves the supernatural, for that matter. what's more ridiculous, the xenu-spaceship-volcanoes thing or mary being raped by an invisible sky wizard, giving birth to a future zombie-god (who is actually the same entity who raped her)? the only real difference is the age of the religion and the number of adherents.

so when you make fun of scientology or mormonism or whatever "funny" or "weird" religion... remember that yours may be just as funny or weird.

Only one of these sues people for telling outsiders about their funny beliefs.

Only one of these practices cannibalism by literally eating the body and blood of its founder.*

*If you believe the BS metaphysical arguments of the Catholic Church that the wafer and wine are LITERALLY flesh and blood, then Catholics are LITERALLY practicing cannibalism which is probably against the law in most jurisdictions outside of Ooga Booga Island.


Yup, that Blood and Body Bath dealeo was the deal breaker for me. At age 9, it was too far out for belief and I questioned any person professing to be so stupid. And then the priest told me my cat was not going to heaven, only Good Catholickers,,,
 
2012-12-30 11:15:01 AM  

dopekitty74: "don't know the basic tenants"

The word is TENETS.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-30 11:16:11 AM  

Psycat: snocone: Psycat: It's simple, folks. If you need an organization to tell you how to think--whether Scientology, the Catholic Church, Marxism, Ayn Rand, PETA, some militant atheist organization--you're a brain-dead zombie in my book.

Hell, I don't even like to call myself a Freethinker because I don't even want to be associated with the various Freethought organizations that have existed through the years. I will always be a member of the Church of Farking Thinking for Myself Already...

"I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members."

Wasn't that Groucho Marx? Wasn't it Horsefeathers or some other Marx film that had these immortal words to live by:

"Your proposition may be good/
but let's have one thing understood/
whatever it is, I'm against it!/
it doesn't really matter who commenced it/
I'm against it!"


Yea, he had a couple of variations. Quote usually ascribed to W.C. Fields.
 
2012-12-30 11:22:57 AM  

snocone: Psycat: Skirl Hutsenreiter: FlashHarry: we make fun of scientology, but there is no fundamental difference between its mythology and that of christianity, judaism or islam - or any religion that involves the supernatural, for that matter. what's more ridiculous, the xenu-spaceship-volcanoes thing or mary being raped by an invisible sky wizard, giving birth to a future zombie-god (who is actually the same entity who raped her)? the only real difference is the age of the religion and the number of adherents.

so when you make fun of scientology or mormonism or whatever "funny" or "weird" religion... remember that yours may be just as funny or weird.

Only one of these sues people for telling outsiders about their funny beliefs.

Only one of these practices cannibalism by literally eating the body and blood of its founder.*

*If you believe the BS metaphysical arguments of the Catholic Church that the wafer and wine are LITERALLY flesh and blood, then Catholics are LITERALLY practicing cannibalism which is probably against the law in most jurisdictions outside of Ooga Booga Island.

Yup, that Blood and Body Bath dealeo was the deal breaker for me. At age 9, it was too far out for belief and I questioned any person professing to be so stupid. And then the priest told me my cat was not going to heaven, only Good Catholickers,,,


Cat-Lickers? What gets me is this: ask a priest what a nutritional laboratory would determine when examining a consecrated wafer and wine. He'll admit that it'll appear to be unleavened bread and fermented grape juice from a scientific viewpoint, but he'll insist that in a metaphysical sense they *really are* flesh and blood. Not just in an abstract sense, but in a very real sense.

Read up on Catholic theology some time--Summa Theologica, etc., and you'll be amazed at the humongous castles-in-the-air they conjure up. A whole shambling mound of pretentious Latin phrases and jerrybuilt metaphysical arguments that can be knocked down by any intellectually-honest 10 year old. That's why they were so eager to burn 'heretics' for centuries for the crime of knocking their edifice of BS.

As for the wafer and wine, there's a whole humongous field of Scholasticism that makes up all sorts of complicated BS about 'form', 'essence', 'matter', 'spirit', and all sorts of other platonic-dualistic nonsense. Just a bunch of hot air that says that black really is white even if it looks black to any sane person. That's why I lump theology in with law as the two bullshiat arts...
 
2012-12-30 11:24:49 AM  

ciberido: When it comes to religion in general and atheism, you are the least intellectually honest poster on Fark I know of.


That's funny seeing as my primary motivation for posting in religion threads is simply to dispute the anti-atheist myths posted by religious people.

I do admit to occasionally poking fun at people who believe that magic is real ... but how can you expect me to resist?? It is like telling me I cannot mock truthers, birthers or lunar landing nuts.

The infamous 'angry atheists' is similar to the christian 'abortion doctor murderer'. Sure they both exists but to use them to represent the whole group is dishonest.
 
2012-12-30 11:32:20 AM  
I could get rid of Scientology with one act: Make them pay taxes.
 
2012-12-30 11:34:34 AM  
'Nother random thought...

I was flying home from a gig in Manhattan a few months ago and, after a freaking 8-hour wait in Newark, the Dullest Airport in the World, ended up sitting next to an evangelist.

He was polite, but he basically brought out all the heavy artillery of the Christian witness. The Turn or Burn Argument (really, a threat), Pascal's Wager, C.S. Lewis' Trilemma (just a false 'trichotomy' that forces you to say that Jesus was insane), and the whole shootin' match. Since I was in Campus Crusade for Christ when I was a stupid college student, I pretty much knew the routine and soundly (and politely) refuted him. Really, a lot of religion is just simply somebody trying to mentally overpower somebody else. I was in good spirits at the end of the flight and wished him and his wife a safe ride home, and he looked a bit disheveled as if he had gone a few rounds against Tyson...
 
2012-12-30 11:38:01 AM  

RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.



I was raised as a JW myself unfortunately. There is a line most people who have never been involved with them don't know about when it comes to who is 'unfriended' and who isn't. That, of course, is the official word of the organization. If someone has been disfellowshipped, then yes I have personally witnessed the entire congregation stop speaking to them or even acknowledging their existence. If someone simply 'falls away' from the 'truth', then it is more subtle. The brothers and sisters of the congregation want to keep communication open to encourage the return to the fold, but you will see some distance and less social interaction. The longer a person stays away from the Kingdom Hall the wider that distance gets. After a few years away, any members you run into who recognize you will be polite and invariably manage to ask with varying levels of tact whether you have any involvement with the Jehovah's Witnesses. If you don't, the conversation will generally be pleasant and brief.

Of course, anything said here is just what I witnessed until I escaped at 16. That was almost 20 years ago, so maybe things have changed. I don't have any desire to get close enough to that massive pile of crazy to find out.
 
2012-12-30 11:39:21 AM  

LargeCanine: I could get rid of Scientology with one act: Make them pay taxes.


I have an interesting proposal: the religion that can prove empirically that it is the One True Faith gets tax-free status. The others get taxed and if they grumble about it, then threaten to throw them in prison for practicing religious fraud.

Seriously, though, we'll have cults for as long as we have stupid and gullible people. Even if we threw all the Scientologists into a volcano--and that includes Tom Snooze and John Revolta--and nuked the hell out of them with thermonuclear warheads, it'll be about 3 minutes and 21 seconds before Scientology is replaced be an even more stupid and contrived faith. Hell, there's plenty of people in Utah who haven't caught on to the fact yet that Joseph Smith was a con man and child molester...
 
2012-12-30 11:46:19 AM  

Psycat: Thunderboy: So if I want you to believe in one thing, I just have to pummel you with the opposite? That's one way to think for yourself, I guess.

BTW, your attempts to convince me that you're a profound genius who 1) can manipulate me with reverse psychology and 2) made some profound philosophical point have defiantly pushed me to the opinion that you're a mental lightweight who'd flunk a freshman philosophy course....


My attempts to convince you? I don't care one whit about you or what you think. You're just another nobody who said something unintelligent on the internet and got called out on it, and is now furiously backtracking. And how would my non-attempt "defiantly" push you? Are you trying to say "definitely?" Diagram those sentences first, Chief!
 
2012-12-30 11:47:09 AM  
Atheism shouldn't even be a word. Believing in a god is simply invoking a completely unnecessary assumption. Why is there a term for not invoking it?
 
2012-12-30 11:51:13 AM  

Psycat: you're a mental lightweight who'd flunk a freshman philosophy course....


And since you went for the personal attack ... so's your mother.
 
2012-12-30 11:57:23 AM  

Thunderboy:
My attempts to convince you? I don't care one whit about you or what you think. You're just another nobody who said something unintelligent on the internet and got called out on it, and is now furiously backtracking. And how would my non-attempt "defiantly" push you? Are you trying to say "definitely?" Diagram those sentences first, Chief!


You sound butt-hurty, Chief...
 
2012-12-30 12:00:03 PM  
They're all cults, get rid of them or tax them.
 
2012-12-30 12:13:37 PM  

A Shambling Mound: TheOther: Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?

That depends. Does a space alien piling people up around volcanoes so he could nuke them strike you as more or less wacky?


Well, you also have to look at angels having sex with humans, a guy who was strong as long as his hair was long, sticks turning into snakes, god talking through a burning bush, people turning into a column of salt, raising the dead, a plague of toads, and walking on water. Among some other knickknacks.

But as far as space aliens go, I feel it's highly probable that other intelligent life exists in the universe. Hopefully they will be intelligent enough to realize that THEY are the aliens and not the other way around.
 
2012-12-30 12:19:06 PM  

trappedspirit: A Shambling Mound: TheOther: Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?

That depends. Does a space alien piling people up around volcanoes so he could nuke them strike you as more or less wacky?

Well, you also have to look at angels having sex with humans, a guy who was strong as long as his hair was long, sticks turning into snakes, god talking through a burning bush, people turning into a column of salt, raising the dead, a plague of toads, and walking on water. Among some other knickknacks.

But as far as space aliens go, I feel it's highly probable that other intelligent life exists in the universe. Hopefully they will be intelligent enough to realize that THEY are the aliens and not the other way around.


If somebody believed that a red chair in his house was actually a red fire-breathing dragon, we'd rightly classify him as being schizophrenic. But what about the majority of people who have some sort of belief in invisible gods and other stuff whose existence can't be proven empirically? By that definition, most humans are delusional. What's weirder is that, if I look up to the sky and see nothing but sky (and not some old man with a beard), I'm the one who's considered to be wacked out and delusional...
 
2012-12-30 12:25:54 PM  

Psycat: LargeCanine: I could get rid of Scientology with one act: Make them pay taxes.

I have an interesting proposal: the religion that can prove empirically that it is the One True Faith gets tax-free status. The others get taxed and if they grumble about it, then threaten to throw them in prison for practicing religious fraud.

Seriously, though, we'll have cults for as long as we have stupid and gullible people. Even if we threw all the Scientologists into a volcano--and that includes Tom Snooze and John Revolta--and nuked the hell out of them with thermonuclear warheads, it'll be about 3 minutes and 21 seconds before Scientology is replaced be an even more stupid and contrived faith. Hell, there's plenty of people in Utah who haven't caught on to the fact yet that Joseph Smith was a con man and child molester...


I'd just get rid of all tax exemptons.
 
2012-12-30 12:32:00 PM  

LargeCanine: Psycat: LargeCanine: I could get rid of Scientology with one act: Make them pay taxes.

I have an interesting proposal: the religion that can prove empirically that it is the One True Faith gets tax-free status. The others get taxed and if they grumble about it, then threaten to throw them in prison for practicing religious fraud.

Seriously, though, we'll have cults for as long as we have stupid and gullible people. Even if we threw all the Scientologists into a volcano--and that includes Tom Snooze and John Revolta--and nuked the hell out of them with thermonuclear warheads, it'll be about 3 minutes and 21 seconds before Scientology is replaced be an even more stupid and contrived faith. Hell, there's plenty of people in Utah who haven't caught on to the fact yet that Joseph Smith was a con man and child molester...

I'd just get rid of all tax exemptons.


That's probably the best and fairest. However, I like the idea of determining the One True Faith empirically because that might mean a really cool death match with magic spells, chainsaws, the Holy Hand-Grenade of Antioch, etc. that would make a really cool reality TV show. Tonight on "So, Yours Is the One True Faith?", we pit Jehovah's Witlesses against the Scientologists in the Flaming Cage of Death...
 
2012-12-30 12:38:52 PM  

A Shambling Mound: RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.

The wife and I went up to the Kingdom Hall near my house at about 2am one night last week and bedecked the trees and front fence with leftover outdoor Christmas decorations we had decided to get rid of. Closest thing to mischief I've gotten up to in something like 25 years. CSB?


That just gives them ammunition against the "apostates" and proof to the fiction that they are "persecuted" for their beliefs!

/Still, I like the cut of your jib, Sirrah!
 
2012-12-30 12:51:50 PM  

Shostie: And as we all know, criminal proceedings in Belgium are binding worldwide. Just like UN resolutions.


Extradition.

thisispete: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The biggest difference between a cult and a genuine religion is that a genuine religion is open about its beliefs. There's no esoteric knowledge, no secret initiation. No mysteries. No levels of membership of the faith. Anyone can come along to a service and see what's going on. Anyone can look up the Catholic Catechism or read the Bible. They might disagree with the Church's religious position, but it's easy to find out what its position is. Yes, they do pass around a collection plate for tithes - but the how much and whether you give money at all is entirely voluntary. And all you have to do to leave is quit going. There's no de-registration process. You don't write the Pope to say "I no longer wish to be Catholic" and there's no sanction against you for leaving.


So Islam as practiced in some parts of the world is a cult?
 
2012-12-30 12:56:15 PM  

TheOther: A Shambling Mound: TheOther: Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?

That depends. Does a space alien piling people up around volcanoes so he could nuke them strike you as more or less wacky?

Isn't that the plot for Star Wars: Episode VII?...so...less.


Actually I was referring to Scientology. For my part I don't think any of the more recently invented religions are any wackier than any of the old religions. It would be accurate to say that all faith-based belief systems strike me as equally wacky.
 
2012-12-30 01:10:44 PM  

A Shambling Mound: The wife and I went up to the Kingdom Hall near my house at about 2am one night last week and bedecked the trees and front fence with leftover outdoor Christmas decorations we had decided to get rid of. Closest thing to mischief I've gotten up to in something like 25 years. CSB?


Do you think tossing pork at a muslim house of worship is a CSB?

If they are shiatty neighbors and have done things to piss you off, I got no problem with it. But if you are doing it just to fark with them when they have done nothing, it is a dick move.
 
2012-12-30 01:34:32 PM  

Crudbucket: About damn time the Belgians did something worthwhile. You can't keep riding that waffle forever.


Well, there was Front 242.

/one, you lock the target
 
2012-12-30 01:45:47 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Lsherm: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

Catholics don't require money for membership.  At all.

Meanwhile...


Doesn't contradict that at all.  See, the word "require" is NOT a flavoring participle.
 
2012-12-30 02:00:03 PM  

A Shambling Mound: RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.

The wife and I went up to the Kingdom Hall near my house at about 2am one night last week and bedecked the trees and front fence with leftover outdoor Christmas decorations we had decided to get rid of. Closest thing to mischief I've gotten up to in something like 25 years. CSB?


Not that cool, you're an asshole.
 
2012-12-30 02:05:22 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.

Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!


I think there are varying levels of "Anti-Theists". I feel as one, I am getting lumped in here. You can have anti-theists who interact with theists and others just as you can have some, like your example, that don't socialize with theists. There is no qualifying characteristic defining us; your example is simply what level of social interaction they have. The same comparison comes to mind of in the US somehow being communist equates to labor camps and lack of freedom, as if the two states of being had anything to do with each other.

I am anti-theist however I tone it down to 'i just dont give a fark' when speaking with my friends, family, and strangers in the street. I don't care what religion or lack of religious state someone is, so the subject is never broached. I treat them as equals, or better. If the topic is brought up i'll take anyone to task, but if not, well what fun is a person at parties if all they do is foam at the mouth talking about religion or politics? None whatsoever.

I'd rather not be mocked but if that is your response, so be it. Just be prepared to take what you dish out :) Be forewarned however, that my viewpoints are buttressed by science and reason; I hope you bring more to the boxing ring than runes and mythic lore :)
 
2012-12-30 02:05:35 PM  

Turbo Cojones: RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.
Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.
Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.
Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.

You are not supposed to sleep during the K.H. meetings my friend! And why are you on Fark anyway? Don't you know this is bad association? A real JW would never be here, and I hate it when the JWs are in such a state of cognitive dissonance that they refuse to accept what the WatchTower puts in black and white nearly every month.

Here's a brief example among hundreds of what the Governing Body has to say on the subject:

"Consider just one example of the good that can come when a family loyally upholds Jehovah's decree not to associate with disfellowshipped relatives. A young man had been disfellowshipped for over ten years, during which time his father, mother, and four brothers "quit mixing in company" with him. At times, he tried to involve himself in their activities, but to their credit, each member of the family was steadfast in not having any contact with him. After he was reinstated, he said that he always missed the association with his family, especially at night when he was alone. But, he admitted, had the family associated with him even a little, that small dose would have satisfied him. However, because he did not receive even the slightest communication from any of his family, the burning desire to be with them became one motivating factor in his restoring his relationship with Jehovah." SOURCE: Watchtower 2012 Apr 15 p.12


From the whore's mouth!

Thanks for the quote. Now I've learned that they themselves admit to this cultish behaviour, though like I said earlier, I had some stories I heard.
 
2012-12-30 02:13:57 PM  

lunkhed: The distinction between a cult and a religion is only made by those with religion.

As an atheist, the two are the same.


I don't see it like that at all. To equate some little church in a small town to something like the Vancouver Church of Christ, which takes in gullible immigrant students and tells them never to talk to their family again, is rather oversimplification.

/non-religious.
 
2012-12-30 02:28:30 PM  

RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.


Seen in my lifetime, though. 1988, specifically. So if you're less than 24, you may still be right.

One of the things that drove my now sister-in-law away from the Witnesses was how they treated a friend of hers who they had shunned. She got busted for continuing to talk to him and not generally treating him like shiat. Then she started dating my brother, not a Witness, and that sealed the deal and got her shunned. Her mother wised up and left them because otherwise she wouldn't be able to talk to someone within her own house.
 
2012-12-30 02:49:21 PM  

lunkhed: The distinction between a cult and a religion is only made by those with religion.

As an atheist, the two are the same.


Nothing about being an atheist means you need to be obtuse or ignorant when it comes to religion.

/from an atheist
 
2012-12-30 02:53:07 PM  

Nemo's Brother: This will not make the rich liberal elites in Hollywood very happy.


Mark my words: Tom Cruise will be in Belgium within a year to make a movie where he plays some Belgian hero.

/$cientology is a cult and calling it a criminal organization is one step closer to admitting it isn't a religion.
 
2012-12-30 02:58:09 PM  
Since this article came up I decided to do some research into exactly what Scientology is and maybe what it's supposed to be, and after watching the Ted Koppel interview with Miscavidge, it appears to me at least that Scientology follows a sort of Buddhist/Taoist type of faith where introspection is clarity of mind/soul is the goal except with those faiths you do these things on your own and in Scientology you are guided by one or more individuals during those audit/clearing sessions.  I think that is what it was meant to be probably, but of course what it really is reminds me more of the Italian Mafia than anything beneficial.  Kind of a shame really, because there is merit to self-awareness and introspection, I just don't believe that it has any basis in spirituality.  I believe that by assessing oneself, you can achieve a clearer state of mind from a psychological perspective, and perhaps function better as an individual and in society, and to that end, I believe that meditation is a fantastic tool to achieve that.  I also believe that the "Church" of Scientology is little more than a Mafia organization with an outer coating of sugar (for recruitment) that once it has you, it has you for life unless you are willing to deal with the very real repercussions of leaving.
 
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