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2012-12-30 08:42:59 AM
What Scientologists Actually Believe

markhumphrys.com


Link

Is it any more retarded than believing in Jesus or Budha?

Yes. Its MUCH MUCH more retarded.
 
2012-12-30 08:46:26 AM
Xenu is Belgian?
 
2012-12-30 08:46:31 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: You are describing anti-theistis.


Yeah, true enough. You are correct.
 
2012-12-30 08:58:42 AM
Glad to see in the article they went full Godwin on themselves. It must be so tempting whenever you're talking about stuff in Europe.
 
2012-12-30 08:59:41 AM

Wolf892: I'd love to see scientology go, but not before I hear a fairly educated member of the church (who isn't on the payroll) explain the mythology of xenu, the ghosts, and the e-meter, all with a straight face. The stuff is just retarded and I can't believe anyone would go for it.

And on a thread jack, I know I'm a filthy fark liter but has anyone else noticed that they've really throttled back the number of new links being uploaded? When I started visiting this website a few years back I could read the page of web links, hit the refresh and have ten new links to look at. Now it seems like you can walk away from the computer for ten or so hours, come back and there's only (if you are lucky) one or two new links.

This doesn't compute because when you try to link an article, the process tells youu that they got so many links that they are almost never going to greenlight yours...

My theory is that for liters it is throttled back to get us to pay the 5 bucks to have total fark and access to all the submitted links.


I feel that even the Total Fark links are "throttled back" at times.
/shrugs
 
2012-12-30 09:04:07 AM
Religion Versus Cult


Religions respect the individual's autonomy.
Cults enforce compliance.

Religions try to help individuals meet their spiritual needs.
Cults exploit spiritual needs.

Religions tolerate and even encourage questions and independent, critical thinking.
Cults discourage questions and independent critical thinking.

Religions encourage psycho-spiritual integration.
Cults "split" members into the "good cult self" and the "bad old self."

Conversion to religions involves an unfolding of internal processes central to a person's identity.
Cultic conversion involves an unaware surrender to external forces that care little for the person's identity.

Religions view money as a means, subject to ethical restraints, toward achieving noble ends.
Cults view money as an end or as a means toward achieving power or the selfish goals of the leader.

Religions view sex between clergy and the faithful as unethical.
Cults frequently subject members to the sexual appetites of the leaders.

Religions respond to critics respectfully.
Cults frequently intimidate critics with physical or legal threats.

Religions cherish the family.
Cults view the family as an enemy.

Religions encourage a person to think carefully before making a commitment to join.
Cults encourage quick decisions with little information.
 
2012-12-30 09:11:10 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Up until the 1960s, the Catholic church was at the center of social life in many small European communities (and Quebec, too!). Due to the "sacrament" of confession, plus they were considered the "go-to" people for any "councelling" (such as a girl getting "into trouble") the priest pretty much know what was going on behind closed doors and this gave them a lot of power over their flock. Excommunication has a real impact back then.

This power has obviously declined as people in the western nations are becoming wise to the goings-on, but the RCC is now concentrating on gaining a foothold the developing world where there are few social services, and they are not afraid to flex their muscle in this regard, damn the bad publicity.
This story from Brazil where this doctor was excommunicated by the RC church for performing an emergency abortion ON A 9-YEAR OLD CHILD who was raped demonstrates this very well..
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05/25/490171/brazil-excommunica ti on-for-abortion/?mobile=nc

No respect is deserved for this ass-holery. One should not care how "devout" these people are - It's all a power grab-nothing more. Nothing "holy" or "good" about it. None of the so-called "good works" they do compensates for this.
Anyone who consciously supports the RC church with knowledge of this disgusting behavior is complicit in this evil.


Both sides are bad, so hail Xenu
 
2012-12-30 09:17:08 AM

Thunderboy: KeelingLovesCornholes: Scientology has become a bit cultish, but buried alive?

It was always a cult.

Treating severe brain injuries with imprisonment and treating psychological instability with vitamins may not be the same as burying someone alive, but people end up just as dead:

Lisa McPherson
Elli Perkins


I didn't write that part, that was the farker above it. I agree with you whole heartedly.
 
2012-12-30 09:18:30 AM

dryknife: You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.

- L Ron Hubbard


What I learned today:

my teenage daughter shares a birthday with L. Ron Hubbard

/she could totally start a cult, but hers would be cool
 
2012-12-30 09:22:40 AM

VoodooTaco: Is it any more retarded than believing in Jesus or Budha?

Yes. Its MUCH MUCH more retarded.


Yup. Ancient religions are incredibly vague today because what they knew at the time was effectively nothing. Scientology, as far as we know about Xenu, is quite detailed, because it was written recently by a bad science fiction author. Which means we can say we know for certain that more of the story is complete BS.

Then there's the difference between how you know it's working. For Jebus, all you do is pray, and if something good happens, you win. For Xenu, you spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to get told about ghosts in your brain and... I don't think they ever actually do anything about them. They just ask for ever more money.
 
2012-12-30 09:22:50 AM

JerkyMeat: What is the U.S. waiting for?


For the $cientologists to stop bribing its leaders, I speculate. Moscone and Milk supported Jim Jones, even though they knew he was weird. Backscratching is Bond in the political moral code.

Maybe the $scientologists thought Belgium was too small to buy off?
 
2012-12-30 09:23:11 AM

RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?


The Pope never broke into the IRS.
 
2012-12-30 09:23:15 AM
Scientology isn't a religion. It's an alternative medicine scam.
 
2012-12-30 09:24:19 AM

RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.


You do not even know what your religion orders you to do. How can you call yourself a JW and actively recruit in field service when you don't know the basic tenants?

To "keep the congregation clean" the Jehovah's Witnesses have a practice called "disfellowshipping" (the rest of the religious world more commonly calls this "shunning"). Simply stated, if the JW organization determines by their religious court process that a baptized member is "wicked" - and the member can only appeal this decision once - then the member will be shunned by all JWs, everywhere. They are treated as though they do not exist. It is quite routine to hear of JW parents shunning their ex-JW children who live outside the home, and never seeing them again, even until their deathbed.

There are two special cases that regulate how much contact is allowed: JW family members who live in the same home and JW business associates. Close family may speak to the ex-JW but only on subjects for which the Watchtower Society holds no opinion. Since the Watchtower Society takes a stand on every possible issue that might be right or wrong, this means in practice that family members will only discuss the weather and the basic activities of daily living but nothing that might relate to spiritual, ethical, or religious matters. Similarly, JW business associates may converse with the ex-JW but it must be strictly limited to business matters.
 
2012-12-30 09:26:23 AM
It's simple, folks. If you need an organization to tell you how to think--whether Scientology, the Catholic Church, Marxism, Ayn Rand, PETA, some militant atheist organization--you're a brain-dead zombie in my book.

Hell, I don't even like to call myself a Freethinker because I don't even want to be associated with the various Freethought organizations that have existed through the years. I will always be a member of the Church of Farking Thinking for Myself Already...
 
2012-12-30 09:26:50 AM

doglover: KeelingLovesCornholes: A "bit cultish"? Wow, I'd hate to see your idea of really cultish.

Jonestown circa 600+ dead bodies. That's cultish.

Scientology is more like an idealistic little celebrity religion that's be co-opted by the mob.


So your threshold is how many people they have killed? Scientology has "killed" hundreds of thousands more. As a member of this cult you become dead to your family of non-members, dead to your profession, dead to society, and dead to freedom of thought and free will. So if that's your criteria then yea, it's a cult of the highest order.

/uncle in law got out, watched him be hounded for years, had to leave his wife and some of his kids behind. They're not allowed to speak to him.
 
2012-12-30 09:28:17 AM

iq_in_binary: Crudbucket: About damn time the Belgians did something worthwhile. You can't keep riding that waffle forever.

John Moses Browning would like to have a word with you.


John Moses Browning was born in America. He father made guns, he made guns, and he only outsourced his business to Belgium to make more money. He's as American as you can get.
 
2012-12-30 09:31:29 AM
This will not make the rich liberal elites in Hollywood very happy.
 
2012-12-30 09:31:49 AM
Various planets united into a very vast civilization which has come forward up through the last 200,000 years, formed out of the fragments of earlier civilizations. In the last 10,000 years they have gone on with a sort of decadent kicked-in-the-head civilization that contains automobiles, business suits, fedora hats, telephones, spaceships - a civilization which looks almost an exact duplicate but is worse off than the current US civilization.
 
2012-12-30 09:31:55 AM

Karac: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Pope never broke into the IRS.


You just have to go back a few centuries, but the analogue is there.
 
2012-12-30 09:33:30 AM

RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.
Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.
Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.
Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.


You are not supposed to sleep during the K.H. meetings my friend! And why are you on Fark anyway? Don't you know this is bad association? A real JW would never be here, and I hate it when the JWs are in such a state of cognitive dissonance that they refuse to accept what the WatchTower puts in black and white nearly every month.

Here's a brief example among hundreds of what the Governing Body has to say on the subject:

"Consider just one example of the good that can come when a family loyally upholds Jehovah's decree not to associate with disfellowshipped relatives. A young man had been disfellowshipped for over ten years, during which time his father, mother, and four brothers "quit mixing in company" with him. At times, he tried to involve himself in their activities, but to their credit, each member of the family was steadfast in not having any contact with him. After he was reinstated, he said that he always missed the association with his family, especially at night when he was alone. But, he admitted, had the family associated with him even a little, that small dose would have satisfied him. However, because he did not receive even the slightest communication from any of his family, the burning desire to be with them became one motivating factor in his restoring his relationship with Jehovah." SOURCE: Watchtower 2012 Apr 15 p.12
 
2012-12-30 09:34:10 AM

starsrift: Karac: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Pope never broke into the IRS.

You just have to go back a few centuries, but the analogue is there.


The Pope was the IRS.
 
2012-12-30 09:38:11 AM

jso2897: HindiDiscoMonster: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.

Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!

and the Mead.... can't forget to mention the Mead for Odin's sake!

Whenever I hear these farkers start to talk about "how atheists act", my shiat-detector goes into full bore mode.
I was born and raised a non-believer, and have known countless other non-believers in my life - and yet, do not know ONE SINGLE PERSON who acts like the "angry athiests" I hear so much about around here.
Anybody can pretend to be anything on the Internet, and post whatever they like.
As a practical matter - in this society, how could a person contrive to never associate with religious people on a day-to-day basis? Has anybody actually, really met this person? Can anyone give me a name, or Email, or Phone number, so I can ask them how they plan to accomplish this?
Bullshiat - I'm calling it.


It is extremely common on fark for the religious to demonize atheists. I always have to ask these people "If you have to argue your position with blatant lies ... what does it say about your position?".
 
2012-12-30 09:38:16 AM

starsrift: Karac: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Pope never broke into the IRS.

You just have to go back a few centuries, but the analogue is there.


The Church did have the forged Donation of Constantine they used to seize land for the Vatican. Again, folks, the Catholic Church is just as much of a mind-control mechanism as the Church of Scientology. Arguing the relative merits of each is like trying to determine if Dalmatian poop tastes better than Chihuahua poop, or the relative merits of a punch in the guts vs. a kick in the ass...
 
2012-12-30 09:39:37 AM

Turbo Cojones: RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.

You do not even know what your religion orders you to do. How can you call yourself a JW and actively recruit in field service when you don't know the basic tenants?

To "keep the congregation clean" the Jehovah's Witnesses have a practice called "disfellowshipping" (the rest of the religious world more commonly calls this "shunning"). Simply stated, if the JW organization determines by their religious court process that a baptized member is "wicked" - and the member can only appeal this decision once - then the member will be shunned by all JWs, everywhere. They are treated as though they do not exist. It is quite routine to hear of JW parents shunning their ex-JW children who live outside the home, and never seeing them again, even until their deathbed.

There are two special cases that regulate how much contact is allowed: JW family members who live in the same home and JW business associates. Close family may speak to the ex-JW but only on subjects for which the Watchtower Society holds no opinion. Since the Watchtower Society takes a stand on every possible issue that might be right or wrong, this means in practice that family members will only discuss the weather and the basic activities of daily living but nothing that might relate to spiritual, ethical, or religious matters. Similarly, JW business associates may converse with the ex-JW but it must be strictly limited to business matters.


"don't know the basic tenants"

The word is TENETS.
 
2012-12-30 09:39:53 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Shostie: And as we all know, criminal proceedings in Belgium are binding worldwide. Just like UN resolutions.

They have a Ministry of Sternly Worded Letters too?


Actually we have three, for Sternly Worded Letters in Dutch, French and German. They each get to decide what to put in their letters as long as it doesn't contradict what the European Union decreed. And if it does, we have an entire federal government to argue about it and question the role of the king while at it.

And we have free education and great social security.
 
2012-12-30 09:43:23 AM

Wolf892:

And on a thread jack, I know I'm a filthy fark liter but has anyone else noticed that they've really throttled back the number of new links being uploaded? When I started visiting this website a few years back I could read the page of web links, hit the refresh and have ten new links to look at. Now it seems like you can walk away from the computer for ten or so hours, come back and there's only (if you are lucky) one or two new links.

This doesn't compute because when you try to link an article, the process tells youu that they got so many links that they are almost never going to greenlight yours...

My theory is that for liters it is throttled back to get us to pay the 5 bucks to have total fark and access to all the submitted links.


I've noticed it, too, and the lack of content and old content is why I spend much less time here than I used to and go to places like reddit, etc.
 
2012-12-30 09:45:01 AM

dopekitty74: dryknife: You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.

- L Ron Hubbard

What I learned today:

my teenage daughter shares a birthday with L. Ron Hubbard

/she could totally start a cult, but hers would be cool


I think she should stick with writing sci-fi.
 
2012-12-30 09:45:36 AM
Every since anonymous destroyed Scientology just about 5 years, it's amazing that there is anyone who is still around.

What? Anonymous failed? So what makes it so certain that Belgium will do any better?

Sounds like certain reporters are getting frantic and overly hopeful.
 
2012-12-30 09:48:25 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words).


Wow, you know Richard Dawkins?
 
2012-12-30 09:49:52 AM

dopekitty74:

The word is TENETS.


Well THAT certainly changes the entire argument does it not? But JW's are still teh suxxor

"Is strict avoidance really necessary? Yes for several reasons. ... In other cases, the disfellowshipped relative may be living outside the immediate family circle and home. Although there might be a need for limited contact on some rare occasion to care for a necessary family matter, any such contact should be kept to a minimum."
Keep Yourself in God's Love (2008) pp.207,208
 
2012-12-30 09:52:08 AM

dryknife: You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.

- L Ron Hubbard


It probably is possible to get rich writing sci-fi, but not if you are as execrable a writer as Hubbard.
 
2012-12-30 09:52:15 AM

KeelingLovesCornholes: I didn't write that part, that was the farker above it. I agree with you whole heartedly.


If I were descended from clams, I would probably sue you for something. But I'm not, so ... wewps, my bad.
 
2012-12-30 09:54:51 AM

Crudbucket: iq_in_binary: Crudbucket: About damn time the Belgians did something worthwhile. You can't keep riding that waffle forever.

John Moses Browning would like to have a word with you.

John Moses Browning was born in America. He father made guns, he made guns, and he only outsourced his business to Belgium to make more money. He's as American as you can get.


Crudbucket: iq_in_binary: Crudbucket: About damn time the Belgians did something worthwhile. You can't keep riding that waffle forever.

John Moses Browning would like to have a word with you.

John Moses Browning was born in America. He father made guns, he made guns, and he only outsourced his business to Belgium to make more money. He's as American as you can get.


Actually he was commissioned by FN. The Hi Power still stands to this day as the finest and most often issued sidearm in the world. Even the 1911 isn't as prolific.

Not to mention all the other fine firearms in the hands of our troops today manufactured by (You guessed it) FN, Belgium isn't the slouch people think they are. They make damn fine firearms. And that's jut the military hardware, look at the other fine FN products like the P90 and the Five-seveN.
 
2012-12-30 09:55:01 AM

KeelingLovesCornholes: Scientology has "killed" hundreds of thousands more.


And Islam and Christianity have killed, no quotation marks, many more than that every single time they have a tiff. Even Buddhism gets into the wetwork from time to time, although it's usually suicide rituals. Let's not even talk about the African cults that still use human sacrifice and body parts or the South and Central American religions of old. How many children does Scientology sacrifice and mummify on the mountaintops each year? I'm guessing it's fewer than the Inca did.

They're basically just a mob running an extortion racket under the guise of the church Hubbard made. The OGs who drop out all say the same thing: It's not like it used to be. Yes they steal your family away, yes you have to sign a billion year contract, yes it's run very controlling; but even their worst sins aren't cutting out children's hearts and eating them or poisoning whole villages to death at gunpoint. Scientology is bad with a lower case b. It would be nice to see them lose a court case, but pretending like they're the worst thing ever as opposed to just n00b religion being run by mobsters is disingenuous. There's real evil in this world. Scientology barely blips the meter.
 
2012-12-30 09:58:47 AM

RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?


Catholics don't keep written records of everything you confess that they'll use against you if you leave the church.
 
gad
2012-12-30 09:59:32 AM

I_Love_Cheesecake: Religion Versus Cult


Religions respect the individual's autonomy.
Cults enforce compliance.

Religions try to help individuals meet their spiritual needs.
Cults exploit spiritual needs.

Religions tolerate and even encourage questions and independent, critical thinking.
Cults discourage questions and independent critical thinking.

Religions encourage psycho-spiritual integration.
Cults "split" members into the "good cult self" and the "bad old self."

Conversion to religions involves an unfolding of internal processes central to a person's identity.
Cultic conversion involves an unaware surrender to external forces that care little for the person's identity.

Religions view money as a means, subject to ethical restraints, toward achieving noble ends.
Cults view money as an end or as a means toward achieving power or the selfish goals of the leader.

Religions view sex between clergy and the faithful as unethical.
Cults frequently subject members to the sexual appetites of the leaders.

Religions respond to critics respectfully.
Cults frequently intimidate critics with physical or legal threats.

Religions cherish the family.
Cults view the family as an enemy.

Religions encourage a person to think carefully before making a commitment to join.
Cults encourage quick decisions with little information.


Thanks for the morning laugh. Religions are big cults and cults are small religions. They are the same with the only difference being in size. All the same irrational hate and attempt at mind control and massive amounts of BS., But still nice funny attempt at trying to make them 'seem different' .
 
2012-12-30 10:03:11 AM
'Nother rant...

When it comes to metaphysics, I'm an agnostic and it frustrates me that people seem to have a lot of stupid misconceptions about agnosticism. Some think an agnostic is just an airhead who can't make up their minds whether or not they believe in *your* god. Or that an agnostic is just a half-assed theist if you're an atheist, or a half-assed atheist if you're a theist.

No, an agnostic is somebody who merely suspends judgment when it's impossible to get an answer. We'd rather just admit we don't know an answer than pretend to have some sort of perfect knowledge.

What torques me is when militant atheists try to tell us that we're just cowards who are hedging our bets by half-believing in a deity. That's why I don't associate with the militant atheists--a militant atheist trying to control what I think pisses me off just as much as if a Jehovah's Witless or a Young-Earth Cretinist tries to control what I think.

Again, I'm an agnostic and a member of the Church of Farking Thinking for Myself Already and if ANYBODY tries to dictate to me what I think will only push me defiantly in the opposite direction. Suck it, demagogues...
 
2012-12-30 10:06:05 AM
Isn't this not particularly uncommon? Pretty sure they've been classed as organized crime in several places.
 
2012-12-30 10:06:53 AM

Lsherm: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

Catholics don't require money for membership.  At all.


Meanwhile...

www.lds.net

thisispete: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The biggest difference between a cult and a genuine religion is that a genuine religion is open about its beliefs. There's no esoteric knowledge, no secret initiation. No mysteries. No levels of membership of the faith. Anyone can come along to a service and see what's going on. Anyone can look up the Catholic Catechism or read the Bible. They might disagree with the Church's religious position, but it's easy to find out what its position is. Yes, they do pass around a collection plate for tithes - but the how much and whether you give money at all is entirely voluntary. And all you have to do to leave is quit going. There's no de-registration process. You don't write the Pope to say "I no longer wish to be Catholic" and there's no sanction against you for leaving.



Meanwhile....

www.ldschurchtemples.com


/Mormon Temples = Pyriel of the Prophecy series
 
2012-12-30 10:07:09 AM
Forgot to mention this but I did work a domino-tumbling gig in Belgium back in 2007. The gig was for a cell-phone commercial and we had a domino chain running through a building.

I like the Belgians a lot. They're a smart, progressive people and Belgium has legalized prostitution and is close to legalizing pot. They're smart enough to see through the mind-fark of $cientology even if the inbred morons in Florida can't. The only thing that sucks about Belgium is that people drive like maniacs there--you can't go for a simple drive across Brussels without getting in a dozen close calls...
 
2012-12-30 10:07:20 AM
Our Belgian friends clearly have no problem exhibiting.....

*dons sunglasses*

.
......Xenu phobia.


/Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
 
2012-12-30 10:07:31 AM

RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.


The wife and I went up to the Kingdom Hall near my house at about 2am one night last week and bedecked the trees and front fence with leftover outdoor Christmas decorations we had decided to get rid of. Closest thing to mischief I've gotten up to in something like 25 years. CSB?
 
2012-12-30 10:08:42 AM

Psycat: I'm an agnostic and a member of the Church of Farking Thinking for Myself Already and if ANYBODY tries to dictate to me what I think will only push me defiantly in the opposite direction.


So if I want you to believe in one thing, I just have to pummel you with the opposite? That's one way to think for yourself, I guess.
 
2012-12-30 10:10:01 AM

fusillade762: "In the 1930s, it was the Jews. Today it is the Scientologists,"

You know who else doesn't like Scientologists?


Jews?
 
2012-12-30 10:10:36 AM
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Jehova's Witnesses.
Jehova's Witnesses who?
Jehova's Witnesses me tossin you off my lawn!
 
2012-12-30 10:11:57 AM
Western religion begins with a guy thinking he is supposed to kill his son, but gets to cut off the end of his dick instead.

You got anything wackier than that?
 
2012-12-30 10:14:52 AM

Thunderboy: So if I want you to believe in one thing, I just have to pummel you with the opposite? That's one way to think for yourself, I guess.


I'm ahead of you there, Chief. I'm pretty good at catching on to what your ultimate motive is and once I figure it out, I'm defiantly opposing it. Try to second-guess me and I'll third-guess you. Next...
 
2012-12-30 10:19:32 AM

Thunderboy: So if I want you to believe in one thing, I just have to pummel you with the opposite? That's one way to think for yourself, I guess.


BTW, your attempts to convince me that you're a profound genius who 1) can manipulate me with reverse psychology and 2) made some profound philosophical point have defiantly pushed me to the opinion that you're a mental lightweight who'd flunk a freshman philosophy course....
 
2012-12-30 10:20:52 AM

Psycat: 'Nother rant...

When it comes to metaphysics, I'm an agnostic and it frustrates me that people seem to have a lot of stupid misconceptions about agnosticism. Some think an agnostic is just an airhead who can't make up their minds whether or not they believe in *your* god. Or that an agnostic is just a half-assed theist if you're an atheist, or a half-assed atheist if you're a theist.

No, an agnostic is somebody who merely suspends judgment when it's impossible to get an answer. We'd rather just admit we don't know an answer than pretend to have some sort of perfect knowledge.

What torques me is when militant atheists try to tell us that we're just cowards who are hedging our bets by half-believing in a deity. That's why I don't associate with the militant atheists--a militant atheist trying to control what I think pisses me off just as much as if a Jehovah's Witless or a Young-Earth Cretinist tries to control what I think.

Again, I'm an agnostic and a member of the Church of Farking Thinking for Myself Already and if ANYBODY tries to dictate to me what I think will only push me defiantly in the opposite direction. Suck it, demagogues...


Well, unfortunately, you can't be said to think for yourself if somebody makes you go in a certain direction. Your course should be whatever it would have been if the other person had said nothing. Going off in the "opposite direction" is not any different than going in the same direction if it was the other person who made you go that way.
 
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