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2012-12-30 07:35:27 AM

MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.


Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.
 
2012-12-30 07:35:34 AM

Crudbucket: About damn time the Belgians did something worthwhile. You can't keep riding that waffle forever.


0.tqn.com
Somebody say waffles?
 
2012-12-30 07:36:11 AM

RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?


Yes and lots of them.
 
2012-12-30 07:36:44 AM

RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?


never seen the good ship SS Pope...
 
2012-12-30 07:38:01 AM

F22raptom: its 2013 for farks sake, why is shiat like this still around? why are people still that farking stupid? god farking dam it to science


i54.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-30 07:38:23 AM
IIRC correctly there seem to be several issues.

Can a religious group

- offer courses in their religious beliefs?
- receive payment for courses?
- offer extended pastoral counseling?
- offer pastoral counseling based on their beliefs?
- receive payment for pastoral counseling?
- promote their religion?
- be self supporting? how?
- exercise their conscience without needing approval from someone else?

then we get into the definition of a religion, grandfather rights for existing religions, etc.

If a religious group does some personal subjective good for someone, is this practicing medicine without a license?

And should we trust a state authority to determine what are appropriate correct and safe thoughts for a member of society to have?
 
2012-12-30 07:41:14 AM

Shadowknight: Crudbucket: About damn time the Belgians did something worthwhile. You can't keep riding that waffle forever.

Lesser known than the waffle, maybe, but they have some excellent beer.


never did like Belgian beers myself.  More of a stout person... Guinness, Murphy's, or a nice Oatmeal Stout
 
2012-12-30 07:45:03 AM
Good,couldn't happen to a nicer "religion".
 
2012-12-30 07:45:51 AM

FlashHarry: we make fun of scientology, but there is no fundamental difference between its mythology and that of christianity, judaism or islam - or any religion that involves the supernatural, for that matter. what's more ridiculous, the xenu-spaceship-volcanoes thing or mary being raped by an invisible sky wizard, giving birth to a future zombie-god (who is actually the same entity who raped her)? the only real difference is the age of the religion and the number of adherents.

so when you make fun of scientology or mormonism or whatever "funny" or "weird" religion...

remember that yours may be just as funny or weird.

Huh. And this whole time I thought the very common sense "don't be an asshole, especially not in the name of the gods and godesses" wasn't funny or weird, even though it is part of my religion. Especially since we do not have any sort of central authority or dogma, just a sense of honor and some loose guidelines about how one should behave to be a decent human being.

It's not religion that is the problem. It's people.
 
2012-12-30 07:46:12 AM

doglover: thisispete: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The biggest difference between a cult and a genuine religion is that a genuine religion is open about its beliefs. There's no esoteric knowledge, no secret initiation. No mysteries. No levels of membership of the faith. Anyone can come along to a service and see what's going on. Anyone can look up the Catholic Catechism or read the Bible. They might disagree with the Church's religious position, but it's easy to find out what its position is. Yes, they do pass around a collection plate for tithes - but the how much and whether you give money at all is entirely voluntary. And all you have to do to leave is quit going. There's no de-registration process. You don't write the Pope to say "I no longer wish to be Catholic" and there's no sanction against you for leaving.

If only that were true.

First off, there's esoteric knowledge and levels of membership in ALL religions. That's why Catholics even have the Pope is because he's the highest ranking member of the Church, all members of which outrank the laypeople. I'm pretty sure you also lose friends and family if you get excommunicated. Not quite the same as leaving the church, but it's a special kick-out process with consequences.

Then there's things like Buddhism where it's self limiting. If you don't meditate, you don't advance because... well you can't. No sit ups, no abs. No meditation, no wisdom. So the levels of involvement are almost cast in stone. No mikabozu( 3 day monk) is gonna get very far.


you really don't see a difference between a cult like scientology and a religion like catholocism?

systematic active destruction of your life if you leave vs meh, he isn't catholic anymore

seriously?
 
2012-12-30 07:47:08 AM
shudder
 
GBB
2012-12-30 07:48:34 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: FlashHarry: we make fun of scientology, but there is no fundamental difference between its mythology and that of christianity, judaism or islam - or any religion that involves the supernatural, for that matter. what's more ridiculous, the xenu-spaceship-volcanoes thing or mary being raped by an invisible sky wizard, giving birth to a future zombie-god (who is actually the same entity who raped her)? the only real difference is the age of the religion and the number of adherents.

so when you make fun of scientology or mormonism or whatever "funny" or "weird" religion... remember that yours may be just as funny or weird.

Huh. And this whole time I thought the very common sense "don't be an asshole, especially not in the name of the gods and godesses" wasn't funny or weird, even though it is part of my religion. Especially since we do not have any sort of central authority or dogma, just a sense of honor and some loose guidelines about how one should behave to be a decent human being.

It's not religion that is the problem. It's people.


Athesism??
 
2012-12-30 07:48:39 AM
Take my Scientologist, please.
 
2012-12-30 07:49:02 AM

KeelingLovesCornholes: Scientology has become a bit cultish, but buried alive?


It was always a cult.

Treating severe brain injuries with imprisonment and treating psychological instability with vitamins may not be the same as burying someone alive, but people end up just as dead:

Lisa McPherson
Elli Perkins
 
2012-12-30 07:50:04 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.


Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!
 
2012-12-30 07:52:11 AM
The Carthagenians also knew how to deal with that scum.
 
2012-12-30 07:53:25 AM
Death to All Fanatics!
 
2012-12-30 07:54:35 AM

Krymson Tyde: I don't know what Scientology's end game is here, but it's quite obvious they've manufactured this story for their own gain because Belgium doesn't really exist.


There's a lot of derp in that link.
 
2012-12-30 07:55:11 AM

Wolf892: I'd love to see scientology go, but not before I hear a fairly educated member of the church (who isn't on the payroll) explain the mythology of xenu, the ghosts, and the e-meter, all with a straight face. The stuff is just retarded and I can't believe anyone would go for it.

And on a thread jack, I know I'm a filthy fark liter but has anyone else noticed that they've really throttled back the number of new links being uploaded? When I started visiting this website a few years back I could read the page of web links, hit the refresh and have ten new links to look at. Now it seems like you can walk away from the computer for ten or so hours, come back and there's only (if you are lucky) one or two new links.

This doesn't compute because when you try to link an article, the process tells youu that they got so many links that they are almost never going to greenlight yours...

My theory is that for liters it is throttled back to get us to pay the 5 bucks to have total fark and access to all the submitted links.


seems to me they are using quite a few brainwashing techniques...  sleep deprivation, starvation, etc... and you pay them for the privilege.   while they brainwash you, they get your money, and god forbid you should break the brainwashing... you get to serve on the good ship torture (Freewinds) where you do hard labor while barely being fed and sleep deprived and at the same time berated into submission... if... after some months/years you come back to the fold, then you may get to leave the ship for a "normal" scientology life again... if not, you end up like Lisa McPhereson, or Noah Lottick...

Here is a list of famous ones.
 
2012-12-30 07:57:07 AM

Jake Havechek: Pretty much anyone who compares Scientology to a mainstream religion does not know what the fark they are talking about.

/atheist
//yes, it is a cult


I never considered atheism a cult.
 
2012-12-30 07:59:57 AM
There's no Belgiuming way that it could "take down" CoS.

But it could bar them from entering their little Belgiuming country.

/ keep your towel handy
 
2012-12-30 08:01:16 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.

Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!


and the Mead.... can't forget to mention the Mead for Odin's sake!
 
2012-12-30 08:02:00 AM

F22raptom: its 2013 for farks sake, why is shiat like this still around? why are people still that farking stupid? god farking dam it to science


Well, you're still around, so it's not like the species is getting any smarter.
 
2012-12-30 08:02:11 AM
The representative for the European branch of the "church" says the Belgian church is an entirely different entity judicialy: link (starting at 1:10, the woman speaks French).

This probably won't go anywhere; knowing the speed of our judicial branch, and the many fark-ups over the latest decades, you can forget about this ending succesfully.
It's going to end up like the case against Sharon, Bush, and Powell.
 
2012-12-30 08:03:34 AM
You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.

- L Ron Hubbard
 
2012-12-30 08:03:50 AM

flexflint: The representative for the European branch of the "church" says the Belgian church is an entirely different entity judicialy: link (starting at 1:10, the woman speaks French).

This probably won't go anywhere; knowing the speed of our judicial branch, and the many fark-ups over the latest decades, you can forget about this ending succesfully.
It's going to end up like the case against Sharon, Bush, and Powell.


don't destroy out hopeful fantasies.
 
2012-12-30 08:04:32 AM
our*
dammit

/preview is your friend
 
2012-12-30 08:06:32 AM
Won't anyone think of the Thetans?
 
2012-12-30 08:08:15 AM

dryknife: You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.

- L Ron Hubbard


Well fark him and all his clones.
/lulz
 
2012-12-30 08:08:51 AM
Will they be wearing wetsuits?
 
2012-12-30 08:10:51 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.

Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!

and the Mead.... can't forget to mention the Mead for Odin's sake!


Yule is not yet over, and I've already received three bottles of home brewed mead. I am a happy little Heathen!

I got lots of nommy stuff for Yule so far, and have given lots of nommy stuff as well (breads, cookies, tamales and candy at my end). Those who can make their own mead have my undying admiration. Brew on, you Viking clad mead warriors! I shall support you forever! (as long as I at least get a taste. please.) Hail Odin!

*paints a Valknut on her underpants in the hope she'll get a little something something*
 
2012-12-30 08:14:52 AM
Wolf892:And on a thread jack, I know I'm a filthy fark liter but has anyone else noticed that they've really throttled back the number of new links being uploaded? When I started visiting this website a few years back I could read the page of web links, hit the refresh and have ten new links to look at. Now it seems like you can walk away from the computer for ten or so hours, come back and there's only (if you are lucky) one or two new links.

This doesn't compute because when you try to link an article, the process tells youu that they got so many links that they are almost never going to greenlight yours...

My theory is that for liters it is throttled back to get us to pay the 5 bucks to have total fark and access to all the submitted links.


Nah, it's just all the greens are now spread across multiple tabs, and thus the main page gets thinned a little. Do some tab-hopping.
 
2012-12-30 08:18:52 AM

phlegmmo: The church of Scientology -- which is not recognized as a faith in Belgium -- and several of its top-ranking members face charges including extortion, fraud, illegal practice of medicine and violation of privacy laws, according to Flanders News.

[a.abcnews.com image 392x221]


The Flanders Press has some breaking news as well:
www.collectorsquest.com
 
2012-12-30 08:20:07 AM
Now if we can sic 'em on the cult of Amway.
 
2012-12-30 08:21:22 AM
Took long enough

/waits patiently for same to be applied to other crackpot organizations
 
2012-12-30 08:24:14 AM

KeelingLovesCornholes: A "bit cultish"? Wow, I'd hate to see your idea of really cultish.


Jonestown circa 600+ dead bodies. That's cultish.

Scientology is more like an idealistic little celebrity religion that's be co-opted by the mob.
 
2012-12-30 08:25:21 AM

doglover: thisispete: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The biggest difference between a cult and a genuine religion is that a genuine religion is open about its beliefs. There's no esoteric knowledge, no secret initiation. No mysteries. No levels of membership of the faith. Anyone can come along to a service and see what's going on. Anyone can look up the Catholic Catechism or read the Bible. They might disagree with the Church's religious position, but it's easy to find out what its position is. Yes, they do pass around a collection plate for tithes - but the how much and whether you give money at all is entirely voluntary. And all you have to do to leave is quit going. There's no de-registration process. You don't write the Pope to say "I no longer wish to be Catholic" and there's no sanction against you for leaving.

If only that were true.

First off, there's esoteric knowledge and levels of membership in ALL religions. That's why Catholics even have the Pope is because he's the highest ranking member of the Church, all members of which outrank the laypeople. I'm pretty sure you also lose friends and family if you get excommunicated. Not quite the same as leaving the church, but it's a special kick-out process with consequences.

Then there's things like Buddhism where it's self limiting. If you don't meditate, you don't advance because... well you can't. No sit ups, no abs. No meditation, no wisdom. So the levels of involvement are almost cast in stone. No mikabozu( 3 day monk) is gonna get very far.


There are levels of membership, but they don't claim to give you magical powers as they do in Scientology, nor do they gain you access to esoteric knowledge.

You are flat out wrong about esoteric knowledge. Outside of Dan brown novels there are no hidden or secret scriptures that only the high level priest know about.

I don't know if you can really call it "advancement" in buddhism. And the knowledge you get is inner knowledge.
 
2012-12-30 08:25:24 AM

RedPhoenix122: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Not true, maybe at one time, but never seen that in my lifetime.

Source: Raised as a Jehovah's Witness.


I'm going to add my vote on the 'shunned' side. I am 42, was raised as a JW and left the church as a teenager. I was disassociated (I was never baptized) and my family promptly cut all ties. Until this year, I spoke to them maybe three or four times in the last 25 years.

They've come out of the woodwork this year and I can't help but be cynical about it: my daughters are now teenagers and perhaps they think that, if Satan has claimed my heart, maybe they can score two more for Jehovah by bringing them into the church. Over my dead body.

I'm guessing some of you had reasonably tolerant families who placed love over dogma. I'm glad for you, but in many cases - even today - that's not the way it works in a JW family.
 
2012-12-30 08:25:56 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Wolf892:And on a thread jack, I know I'm a filthy fark liter but has anyone else noticed that they've really throttled back the number of new links being uploaded? When I started visiting this website a few years back I could read the page of web links, hit the refresh and have ten new links to look at. Now it seems like you can walk away from the computer for ten or so hours, come back and there's only (if you are lucky) one or two new links.

This doesn't compute because when you try to link an article, the process tells youu that they got so many links that they are almost never going to greenlight yours...

My theory is that for liters it is throttled back to get us to pay the 5 bucks to have total fark and access to all the submitted links.

Nah, it's just all the greens are now spread across multiple tabs, and thus the main page gets thinned a little. Do some tab-hopping.


The system is telling me you gave me a little somethin somethin...thanks for that. I really appreciate it, now I'll be able to see how the other half live. :)
 
2012-12-30 08:26:14 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.

Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!

and the Mead.... can't forget to mention the Mead for Odin's sake!


Whenever I hear these farkers start to talk about "how atheists act", my shiat-detector goes into full bore mode.
I was born and raised a non-believer, and have known countless other non-believers in my life - and yet, do not know ONE SINGLE PERSON who acts like the "angry athiests" I hear so much about around here.
Anybody can pretend to be anything on the Internet, and post whatever they like.
As a practical matter - in this society, how could a person contrive to never associate with religious people on a day-to-day basis? Has anybody actually, really met this person? Can anyone give me a name, or Email, or Phone number, so I can ask them how they plan to accomplish this?
Bullshiat - I'm calling it.
 
2012-12-30 08:28:38 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: /Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!

and the Mead.... can't forget to mention the Mead for Odin's sake!

Yule is not yet over, and I've already received three bottles of home brewed mead. I am a happy little Heathen!

I got lots of nommy stuff for Yule so far, and have given lots of nommy stuff as well (breads, cookies, tamales and candy at my end). Those who can make their own mead have my undying admiration. Brew on, you Viking clad mead warriors! I shall support you forever! (as long as I at least get a taste. please.) Hail Odin!

*paints a Valknut on her underpants in the hope she'll get a little something something*


Mead isn't difficult to make, it just takes awhile to ferment properly.  It takes about as long as grape wines.  The recipes for mead however are much more extensive than any grape wine or beer.  My personal preference is sack or sweet mead (to me, anything that contains honey should be sweet)... and I hate hate hate melomels (fruit and honey mead).
 
2012-12-30 08:30:42 AM

jso2897: HindiDiscoMonster: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ThrobblefootSpectre: MadSkillz: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Note that the Jehova's Witnesses pretty much force you to unfriend anyone who leaves. And your family that isn't in the church.

Atheism is like that too. I know atheists who absolutely refuse to associate with anyone who has religious belief (non-atheist, in other words). So they pretty much stay within their own insular cult.

Those aren't atheists. My sister is an atheist. My son is an atheist. They're totally cool with me. You are describing anti-theistis. They are no better than those evangelical Christer fundie whack jobs and should be openly mocked if they cannot simply be avoided. Don't go down without a fight, dude! Remind them that when they act up like that, they are no better than that which they claim to despise.

/Nordic Heathen wench
//We throw the BEST parties!
///and we know how to cook and craft!

and the Mead.... can't forget to mention the Mead for Odin's sake!

Whenever I hear these farkers start to talk about "how atheists act", my shiat-detector goes into full bore mode.
I was born and raised a non-believer, and have known countless other non-believers in my life - and yet, do not know ONE SINGLE PERSON who acts like the "angry athiests" I hear so much about around here.
Anybody can pretend to be anything on the Internet, and post whatever they like.
As a practical matter - in this society, how could a person contrive to never associate with religious people on a day-to-day basis? Has anybody actually, really met this person? Can anyone give me a name, or Email, or Phone number, so I can ask them how they plan to accomplish this?
Bullshiat - I'm calling it.


just because YOU haven't personally set/met one doesn't mean they don't exist... the universe is bigger than just YOUR perception of it.
 
2012-12-30 08:32:44 AM

doglover: KeelingLovesCornholes: A "bit cultish"? Wow, I'd hate to see your idea of really cultish.

Jonestown circa 600+ dead bodies. That's cultish.

Scientology is more like an idealistic little celebrity religion that's be co-opted by the mob.


I think you need to look at the life of someone on board the Freewinds ship... they would make slave galley owners in the Roman era blush.
 
2012-12-30 08:32:59 AM

vygramul: Jake Havechek: Pretty much anyone who compares Scientology to a mainstream religion does not know what the fark they are talking about.

/atheist
//yes, it is a cult

I never considered atheism a cult.


it is a satanic cult
 
2012-12-30 08:33:40 AM

doglover: thisispete: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The biggest difference between a cult and a genuine religion is that a genuine religion is open about its beliefs. There's no esoteric knowledge, no secret initiation. No mysteries. No levels of membership of the faith. Anyone can come along to a service and see what's going on. Anyone can look up the Catholic Catechism or read the Bible. They might disagree with the Church's religious position, but it's easy to find out what its position is. Yes, they do pass around a collection plate for tithes - but the how much and whether you give money at all is entirely voluntary. And all you have to do to leave is quit going. There's no de-registration process. You don't write the Pope to say "I no longer wish to be Catholic" and there's no sanction against you for leaving.

If only that were true.

First off, there's esoteric knowledge and levels of membership in ALL religions. That's why Catholics even have the Pope is because he's the highest ranking member of the Church, all members of which outrank the laypeople. I'm pretty sure you also lose friends and family if you get excommunicated. Not quite the same as leaving the church, but it's a special kick-out process with consequences.

Then there's things like Buddhism where it's self limiting. If you don't meditate, you don't advance because... well you can't. No sit ups, no abs. No meditation, no wisdom. So the levels of involvement are almost cast in stone. No mikabozu( 3 day monk) is gonna get very far.


I left the Catholic church 5 years ago and became Episcopal. Everyone else in my family remains Catholic. Other than not going up for communion, there have been no consequences. My family still talks to me, I'm still able to be a godfather to my nephew, still able to go to mass if I'm in the area, etc.

Excommunication is likely different more as a social stigma rather than the Church saying you can't associate with that person.
 
2012-12-30 08:35:22 AM

BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.


Up until the 1960s, the Catholic church was at the center of social life in many small European communities (and Quebec, too!). Due to the "sacrament" of confession, plus they were considered the "go-to" people for any "councelling" (such as a girl getting "into trouble") the priest pretty much know what was going on behind closed doors and this gave them a lot of power over their flock. Excommunication has a real impact back then.

This power has obviously declined as people in the western nations are becoming wise to the goings-on, but the RCC is now concentrating on gaining a foothold the developing world where there are few social services, and they are not afraid to flex their muscle in this regard, damn the bad publicity.
This story from Brazil where this doctor was excommunicated by the RC church for performing an emergency abortion ON A 9-YEAR OLD CHILD who was raped demonstrates this very well..
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05/25/490171/brazil-excommunica ti on-for-abortion/?mobile=nc

No respect is deserved for this ass-holery. One should not care how "devout" these people are - It's all a power grab-nothing more. Nothing "holy" or "good" about it. None of the so-called "good works" they do compensates for this.
Anyone who consciously supports the RC church with knowledge of this disgusting behavior is complicit in this evil.
 
2012-12-30 08:38:42 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: BSABSVR: RobertBruce: Is there any claim against them that can't be used against Catholicism?

The Catholic Church does not force you to unperson your lapsed Catholic friends and relatives.

Up until the 1960s, the Catholic church was at the center of social life in many small European communities (and Quebec, too!). Due to the "sacrament" of confession, plus they were considered the "go-to" people for any "councelling" (such as a girl getting "into trouble") the priest pretty much know what was going on behind closed doors and this gave them a lot of power over their flock. Excommunication has a real impact back then.

This power has obviously declined as people in the western nations are becoming wise to the goings-on, but the RCC is now concentrating on gaining a foothold the developing world where there are few social services, and they are not afraid to flex their muscle in this regard, damn the bad publicity.
This story from Brazil where this doctor was excommunicated by the RC church for performing an emergency abortion ON A 9-YEAR OLD CHILD who was raped demonstrates this very well..
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05/25/490171/brazil-excommunica ti on-for-abortion/?mobile=nc

No respect is deserved for this ass-holery. One should not care how "devout" these people are - It's all a power grab-nothing more. Nothing "holy" or "good" about it. None of the so-called "good works" they do compensates for this.
Anyone who consciously supports the RC church with knowledge of this disgusting behavior is complicit in this evil.


Catholicism is no different than the ancient Greek or Roman religions.  They all worship Idols as gods.
 
2012-12-30 08:41:35 AM
AFAIK Scientology is already banned in Greece. What will it change if they will be banned in a second country?
 
2012-12-30 08:41:36 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: doglover: KeelingLovesCornholes: A "bit cultish"? Wow, I'd hate to see your idea of really cultish.

Jonestown circa 600+ dead bodies. That's cultish.

Scientology is more like an idealistic little celebrity religion that's be co-opted by the mob.

I think you need to look at the life of someone on board the Freewinds ship... they would make slave galley owners in the Roman era blush.


I seriously doubt that.
 
2012-12-30 08:42:32 AM

doglover: HindiDiscoMonster: doglover: KeelingLovesCornholes: A "bit cultish"? Wow, I'd hate to see your idea of really cultish.

Jonestown circa 600+ dead bodies. That's cultish.

Scientology is more like an idealistic little celebrity religion that's be co-opted by the mob.

I think you need to look at the life of someone on board the Freewinds ship... they would make slave galley owners in the Roman era blush.

I seriously doubt that.


as i said... take a look... there is testimony out there, not to mention supporting evidence like bodies.
 
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