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(KREM Spokane)   Using anything that explodes to build a fire is never a good idea   (krem.com) divider line 59
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2012-12-29 07:39:55 PM
Reminds me of this Redneck Bonfire video
 
2012-12-29 07:44:16 PM
Poor Darwin just can't keep up.
 
2012-12-29 07:57:41 PM
Deputies said the men drove themselves to a convenience store parking lot in Hayden, where emergency crews met up with them.

The convenience store already has enough burned, gnarled meat for sale, thank you very much.
 
2012-12-29 08:15:33 PM
I'd like to have seen that. Tannerite is pretty safe and very predictable.
 
2012-12-29 08:16:25 PM
Unless you're Adam or Jamie:

http://thevibe.lovesgot.us/video/5E_2tmSOCsk/c4-cook-off-mythbusters/ ">http://thevibe.lovesgot.us/video/5E_2tmSOCsk/c4-cook-off-mythbuster s/
 
2012-12-29 08:17:50 PM
Explosive. Not exploding. It was exploding while exploding, it was always explosive even while not actively exploding. Once most certainly not not 'build a fire' with something that was busy exploding.
 
2012-12-29 08:18:30 PM
Explosive target material? What would you use that for?
 
2012-12-29 08:19:09 PM
Wow. I fouled that post more than the umbrage I was taking with the article was worth. Call me Rotsky. Even this post is poorly written. Someone help me out here.
 
2012-12-29 08:20:43 PM
It's not his fault, the bucket of gasoline was too far away.
 
2012-12-29 08:23:20 PM
I'm calling shenanigans.

exploding targets are not flamable even when exposed to a basic fire. low velosity targets (.22lr) make a loud boom, but there is very little fire involved and the projectile needs to be moving at about 1200fps.

They're fun to shoot, and will destroy pretty much anything you put them in, but they are far from flamable.
 
2012-12-29 08:25:40 PM

davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?


gives the shooter instant feedback. might make the whole shooting experience funner. never used 'em myself; that's what spotting scopes are for.
/banned at the range where i shoot. they also start fires.
 
2012-12-29 08:26:12 PM

davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?


You shoot them and they go bang (or boom). At long range they can be helpful to see if you hit your target (cause you know, your target goes boom). For anything less than a .223, they're really just for fun. cause really, if you can't see the hole you make in a target with your .22, you need better optics.

check out sureshotexplodingtarget.com
 
2012-12-29 08:28:53 PM
Or it could be the most awesome idea EVAR!
 
2012-12-29 08:29:49 PM
Some explosives will only burn under normal conditions. Your unqualified title is wrong. If you were freezing to death, as in Jack London's "To build a fire" you might indeed do well to douse your damp firewood with some gasoline, and ignite it before the vapors could spread out to produce an explosive fuel-air mix. C4 is something that may burn under normal conditions, explode under "proper" detonation. That's where experimentation with smaller amounts with appropriate safety measures can pay off.
 
2012-12-29 08:32:01 PM

davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?


Boomershoot is a big shooting event in Orofino each year. Long range shooting and reactive targets. I'd attend if I had a rifle capable of competing. Alas, my only super accurate rifle needs the tender loving care of a weaponsmith before I'll shoot it again.
 
2012-12-29 08:32:10 PM

Acharne: Wow. I fouled that post more than the umbrage I was taking with the article was worth. Call me Rotsky. Even this post is poorly written. Someone help me out here.


Have another beer?
 
2012-12-29 08:32:10 PM

plutoniumfeather: davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?

gives the shooter instant feedback. might make the whole shooting experience funner. never used 'em myself; that's what spotting scopes are for.
/banned at the range where i shoot. they also start fires.


It depends on the compounds used. I've never once actually seen a fireball from any of the target's i've used (largest target was 7lbs). It makes a hell of a boom, but I've never actually seen fire. Tanerite might be different, but there are plenty of fire safe materials out there.

Even tanerite needs some high velocity projectile to ignite it.... Although I'm sure there is some sort of flast point at extreme temps. I mean, if you get a camp fire hot enough you can get a pretty sweet bon fire with a VW bus engine.
 
NFA [TotalFark]
2012-12-29 08:33:00 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Reminds me of this Redneck Bonfire video


Don't forget the German rednecks
 
2012-12-29 08:33:06 PM
Did the Obvious tag go out for a walk, subby?
 
2012-12-29 08:33:13 PM
back in the day we would shoot at aerosol cans. in the mid 70's a multi level marketing scheme called bestline got nailed by the feds. a neighbor had his basement filled with the company's household products. we must have shot up 5000 cans of his room freshener and furniture polish. sometimes we would have a small fire by the can and blast it with a shotgun. other times we would try to hit the very base of the can with a rifle. a absolutely perfect rifle shot would point the can back toward us and the can would act like a rocket wizzing back towards us.
 
2012-12-29 08:35:55 PM

SDRR: Acharne: Wow. I fouled that post more than the umbrage I was taking with the article was worth. Call me Rotsky. Even this post is poorly written. Someone help me out here.

Have another beer?


You know, I haven't had any beer yet today. That might be the mightiest advice ever given.
 
2012-12-29 08:36:10 PM
I don't know.
That Jack London short story could have used some explosions.
 
2012-12-29 08:37:17 PM

boozehat: davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?

You shoot them and they go bang (or boom). At long range they can be helpful to see if you hit your target (cause you know, your target goes boom). For anything less than a .223, they're really just for fun. cause really, if you can't see the hole you make in a target with your .22, you need better optics.

check out sureshotexplodingtarget.com


plutoniumfeather: davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?

gives the shooter instant feedback. might make the whole shooting experience funner. never used 'em myself; that's what spotting scopes are for.
/banned at the range where i shoot. they also start fires.


Came to ask this, leaving satisfied...well, other than the fact that I know the range we go to would send us to the "bad" range if we tried using them.

\yes, our range has two ranges
\\one for members, and one for the dumbasses who just want to fire shotguns and semi-automatic guns and shiat
 
2012-12-29 08:37:52 PM
You're right... It's a GREAT idea!
 
2012-12-29 08:38:01 PM
bullshiat

I learned in Boy Scouts that you can use anything in the world you want to build a fire as long as

-you don't immolate yourself or more than one of your fellow scouts

-you don't use more than one match to get the whole thing going

-no birch bark

Outside of that, do your thing. Motor oil? Gasoline? Road flares? Furniture that does not meet the flammability requirements of California Bureau of Home Furnishings Technical Bulletin 133? All fair game. Again, just don't use any birch bark, don't use more than one match and don't immolate more than one fellow scout or they'll take away this:

/definitely more to this story, it's true the exploding targets are all non-flammable material. unless he bought something that was less than legal something else occurred to cause his injuries.
 
2012-12-29 08:38:59 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: Did the Obvious tag go out for a walk, subby?


lol

Although, it wasn't obvious for my North Idaho peeps
 
2012-12-29 08:42:29 PM

FriarReb98: boozehat: davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?

You shoot them and they go bang (or boom). At long range they can be helpful to see if you hit your target (cause you know, your target goes boom). For anything less than a .223, they're really just for fun. cause really, if you can't see the hole you make in a target with your .22, you need better optics.

check out sureshotexplodingtarget.com

plutoniumfeather: davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?

gives the shooter instant feedback. might make the whole shooting experience funner. never used 'em myself; that's what spotting scopes are for.
/banned at the range where i shoot. they also start fires.

Came to ask this, leaving satisfied...well, other than the fact that I know the range we go to would send us to the "bad" range if we tried using them.

\yes, our range has two ranges
\\one for members, and one for the dumbasses who just want to fire shotguns and semi-automatic guns and shiat


I can't believe a rang would actually allow it. :) I'm in Cal., and the ranges here are pretty strict. I've even been to places that regulate the "shape" on your target, like, no human torso painted targets.

I'm just lucky enough to live less than 100 miles from open BLM land where the boarder patrol and CHP get a kick out of seeing shooters blow up stuff.
 
2012-12-29 08:46:01 PM

MurphyMurphy: or they'll take away this:

hotlink fail
firem'n chit card .jpg
 
2012-12-29 08:46:56 PM
This is just another typical day in North Idaho....
 
2012-12-29 08:49:17 PM

MurphyMurphy: bullshiat

I learned in Boy Scouts that you can use anything in the world you want to build a fire as long as

-you don't immolate yourself or more than one of your fellow scouts

-you don't use more than one match to get the whole thing going

-no birch bark

Outside of that, do your thing. Motor oil? Gasoline? Road flares? Furniture that does not meet the flammability requirements of California Bureau of Home Furnishings Technical Bulletin 133? All fair game. Again, just don't use any birch bark, don't use more than one match and don't immolate more than one fellow scout or they'll take away this:

/definitely more to this story, it's true the exploding targets are all non-flammable material. unless he bought something that was less than legal something else occurred to cause his injuries.


"more than one"?

So one IS allowable...but is that per Scout, or per fire-lighting attempt? In other words, does each Scout get a chance to set fire to one of his fellows, or is it that one gets set on fire and the whole troop is done for the day?
 
2012-12-29 08:49:27 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Reminds me of this Redneck Bonfire video


See kids, that's why you mix used motor oil with the gasoline. The gasoline vapors ignite while the motor oil gives a longer lasting burn. Otherwise you burn the gasoline and the wood hardly even comes up to temp to stay lit.

/had to help reduce a small wooded lot to smoke and ashes. it was fun
 
2012-12-29 08:51:09 PM

"Alright, move on, nothing to see here, please disperse! Nothing to see here, PLEASE!"


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2012-12-29 09:08:36 PM
www.survivaltoday.net
 
2012-12-29 09:10:14 PM
You want to get the fire going? One word - magnesium.
i340.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-29 09:15:55 PM
Sounds less like starting a fire and more like a "Hold my beer and watch this" moment.
 
2012-12-29 09:16:52 PM

Rip Dashrock: You want to get the fire going? One word - magnesium.
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is that Glamis?

(and technically, "getting a fire going" is required before you drop that engine block on the fire. but yes, magesuium fire are pretty much the most awesome thing going)
 
2012-12-29 09:26:15 PM
Step right to see the show,It never ends A dynamo,come see the show, my friends.
 
2012-12-29 09:32:58 PM
where emergency crews "met up" with them

/does any of all y'all knows
//whether yous has ta be a redneck to accomplish this?
 
2012-12-29 09:33:48 PM

MurphyMurphy: -no birch bark


Odd, I never heard this one when I was a scout, probably because it burns pretty well even when damp. Maybe you heard it because everyone was killing the birch for tinder.

Also, I've heard that C-4 is flammable, and you can burn it without it becoming explosive. I can't imagine the circumstances of needing to use C-4 for that purpose, though.
 
2012-12-29 09:34:31 PM
Jeez, Idaho! Way to confirm our notions of you
 
2012-12-29 09:37:48 PM

gregscott: Some explosives will only burn under normal conditions. Your unqualified title is wrong. If you were freezing to death, as in Jack London's "To build a fire" you might indeed do well to douse your damp firewood with some gasoline, and ignite it before the vapors could spread out to produce an explosive fuel-air mix. C4 is something that may burn under normal conditions, explode under "proper" detonation. That's where experimentation with smaller amounts with appropriate safety measures can pay off.


Yup. Stories abound of SF dudes cooking over a burning hunk of C4 (or whatever it is they use these days).

Anyway, "things that explode" includes matches, butane, propane, oxygen, and just about any form of matter in a fine particulate form.
 
2012-12-29 09:38:51 PM
Why does subby hate fun?
 
2012-12-29 09:39:51 PM

hogans: Odd, I never heard this one when I was a scout, probably because it burns pretty well even when damp. Maybe you heard it because everyone was killing the birch for tinder.


Pretty much. Go ahead and use birch bark, just don't strip any off a tree.
 
2012-12-29 09:49:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: So one IS allowable...but is that per Scout, or per fire-lighting attempt? In other words, does each Scout get a chance to set fire to one of his fellows, or is it that one gets set on fire and the whole troop is done for the day?


You can immolate one fellow scout per fire lit.
Zero is preferred... but scouts can be very pragmatic. That's why we keep these unwritten rules.

hogans: MurphyMurphy: -no birch bark

Odd, I never heard this one when I was a scout, probably because it burns pretty well even when damp. Maybe you heard it because everyone was killing the birch for tinder.

Also, I've heard that C-4 is flammable, and you can burn it without it becoming explosive. I can't imagine the circumstances of needing to use C-4 for that purpose, though.


Yes and yes.

The birch bark ban was both out of concern for the trees and that when we were desperate enough to resort to using it (winter) it was more valuable to deer as a food source than to snot-nosed brats wanting their pyro fix.

C4 will burn fine without exploding.
Just don't try to put the fire out by stomping on it ;)
 
2012-12-29 09:54:40 PM

NFA: BarkingUnicorn: Reminds me of this Redneck Bonfire video

Don't forget the German rednecks


Best part of that video? Category: how-to & style.
 
2012-12-29 10:08:36 PM

davidphogan: Explosive target material? What would you use that for?


They think it's fun.
 
2012-12-29 10:09:14 PM

gregscott: Some explosives will only burn under normal conditions. Your unqualified title is wrong. If you were freezing to death, as in Jack London's "To build a fire" you might indeed do well to douse your damp firewood with some gasoline, and ignite it before the vapors could spread out to produce an explosive fuel-air mix. C4 is something that may burn under normal conditions, explode under "proper" detonation. That's where experimentation with smaller amounts with appropriate safety measures can pay off.


Indeed. I remember seeing video of a very active de-miner in Cambodia - he carefully digs the mines up and then melts the explosive out over a fire and burns it up.

The guy is totally crazy by the way. His friend lost a leg on one of their sweeps. Since then he always leads with the false leg, and admits it's been blown up quite a few times.
 
2012-12-29 10:31:50 PM
At least his wound was severally, and not severe.
 
2012-12-29 10:33:57 PM

hogans: MurphyMurphy: -no birch bark

Odd, I never heard this one when I was a scout, probably because it burns pretty well even when damp. Maybe you heard it because everyone was killing the birch for tinder.

Also, I've heard that C-4 is flammable, and you can burn it without it becoming explosive. I can't imagine the circumstances of needing to use C-4 for that purpose, though.


Mythbusters have cooked with C-4

YouTube
 
2012-12-29 10:59:04 PM
Seriously though, any tips on starting a fire in a fireplace with just a log and some matches? I tried wrapping the log in a roll of paper towels and setting it on fire, but it just burned the towels and left the log cold.
 
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