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(The Daily Beast)   Due to de-funding and the fiscal cliff, the NOAA satellites which track storms are going to go into blackout for over a year starting in 2017. Not worried yet? Imagine Hurricanes Katrina and Sandy without any advanced notice   (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com) divider line 140
    More: Scary, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, weather forecasters, storms, NOAA satellites  
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2012-12-29 01:42:34 PM  
That is, in fact, quite scary.
 
2012-12-29 01:51:02 PM  
I live in California. What's weather?
 
2012-12-29 02:15:29 PM  
At least we still have all those Carrier Battle Groups. We can just blow the sh*t outta those storms!

*pew* *pew* *pew*
 
2012-12-29 02:28:22 PM  
Gay marriage causes hurricanes. That and Obama.

And the Good Book is the only science needed.
 
2012-12-29 02:44:16 PM  
Sandy had lots of warnings, and people still didn't do farking shiat.

/love surprises!
 
2012-12-29 02:59:23 PM  
I don't suppose we could repurpose any of the jillion spy satsvin orbit?
 
2012-12-29 03:09:29 PM  
This will end well.
 
2012-12-29 03:16:17 PM  
Small government! I'm a libertarian -- I'll track my own storms. Or wait, if this is a service the public cares about, the private sector gods will take it over.
 
2012-12-29 03:44:41 PM  
Yeah, the free market will solve this problem. Right.
 
2012-12-29 04:31:14 PM  
Unfortunately, any sense of priorities fell out of orbit and burned up in the atmosphere years ago
 
2012-12-29 04:47:03 PM  

Honest Bender: I live in California. What's weather?


It's like an earthquake, but instead of the ground moving and things falling into it the sky moves and stuff falls out of it
 
2012-12-29 05:04:07 PM  
This makes Bobby Jindahl's schwantz tingle, I am sure.
 
2012-12-29 05:16:46 PM  
Once again, the current GOP is the biggest threat the people have ever faced.
 
2012-12-29 05:19:48 PM  

kxs401: Small government! I'm a libertarian -- I'll track my own storms. Or wait, if this is a service the public cares about, the private sector gods will take it over.


If North Korea can put up a satellite I think that Richard Branson etc. could pop one up there and charge a couple bucks a year for access.
 
2012-12-29 05:19:58 PM  
BUTBUTBUT FREEMARKET!
 
2012-12-29 05:20:06 PM  
We have 4 years to fix the problem. Not going to panic.

/DRTFA
 
2012-12-29 05:21:12 PM  
You guys are idiots. The public market will pick up the slack and launch a dozen satellites along with the billion dollars in infrastructure to monitor hurricanes. Just you watch.
 
2012-12-29 05:24:30 PM  
As a guy who has an internship with the NWS this January and is interested in meteorology as a career, let me say this is frightening.

Not having warning on severe storms with tornadoes, and major events like hurricanes is HUGE.
 
2012-12-29 05:25:15 PM  

Silly Jesus: kxs401: Small government! I'm a libertarian -- I'll track my own storms. Or wait, if this is a service the public cares about, the private sector gods will take it over.

If North Korea can put up a satellite I think that Richard Branson etc. could pop one up there and charge a couple bucks a year for access.


1-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2012-12-29 05:25:22 PM  
farking liberals and your science. If we spent that money teaching kids about god this sort of thing would never happen in the first place.
 
2012-12-29 05:27:09 PM  

bulldg4life: You guys are idiots. The public market will pick up the slack and launch a dozen satellites along with the billion dollars in infrastructure to monitor hurricanes. Just you watch.


That thought is more scary than any lack of weather satellites.
 
2012-12-29 05:30:55 PM  

Matrix Flavored Wasabi: Silly Jesus: kxs401: Small government! I'm a libertarian -- I'll track my own storms. Or wait, if this is a service the public cares about, the private sector gods will take it over.

If North Korea can put up a satellite I think that Richard Branson etc. could pop one up there and charge a couple bucks a year for access.

[1-media-cdn.foolz.us image 363x310]


Cute picture.
 
2012-12-29 05:31:55 PM  
MODERN INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOCIALISM!
 
2012-12-29 05:32:43 PM  

starzman2003: As a guy who has an internship with the NWS this January and is interested in meteorology as a career, let me say this is frightening.

Not having warning on severe storms with tornadoes, and major events like hurricanes is HUGE.


Good luck with your career. I have a degree in meteorology and worked (as a contractor) with the NWS for most of my career. EIP if you have questions or want to make a contact.
 
2012-12-29 05:34:04 PM  
Republicans are going to have a LOT to answer for...
 
2012-12-29 05:34:12 PM  
If anyone actually bothers to read the original memo he's basing this article on, it seems like the NOAA has suffered from systemic problems for a while.  The only reason the fiscal cliff would matter is if the cuts stayed permanent, which they won't.  Otherwise, the NOAA, NASA, and the DoD seem to be doing a bang up job of not replacing those satellites without any external help.
 
2012-12-29 05:34:41 PM  
I've never understood why NOAA is always being picked on by the Republicans as an example of government waste. They do some damn good work with not only the weather, but stuff that affects commerce (tide charts are kind of popular around ports that import Chinese goods, for example), they regulate fisheries, protect endangered sea critters, map the seafloor so you don't get Exxon Valdez type shiat happening...

/Oh, wait. Science bad.
 
2012-12-29 05:35:53 PM  
Who cares? Not only will storms kill massive amounts of liberals, but I'll kill a lot of Republicans too

WIN / WIN
 
2012-12-29 05:38:05 PM  

crab66: farking liberals and your science. If we spent that money teaching kids about god this sort of thing would never happen in the first place.



The scary thing is that there are still millions of people in our country who would say that without the sarcasm.


JohnnyC: Republicans are going to have a LOT to answer for...



Not from their constituents, so what do they care? They'll just blame it on the democrats, and since they have a captive audience of the folks with their heads neck deep in the echo chamber actual facts won't really play too big of a role in it.
 
2012-12-29 05:40:27 PM  

Lsherm: If anyone actually bothers to read the original memo he's basing this article on, it seems like the NOAA has suffered from systemic problems for a while.  The only reason the fiscal cliff would matter is if the cuts stayed permanent, which they won't.  Otherwise, the NOAA, NASA, and the DoD seem to be doing a bang up job of not replacing those satellites without any external help.


Shh, you'll ruin Farker's fun if you don't let them ignorantly blame all of their problems on evil republicans.
 
2012-12-29 05:42:00 PM  
I say we blow up the moon. No more tides = No more weather problems.
 
2012-12-29 05:42:42 PM  
Came for the "Jindal orgasm," leaving feeling so funky.
 
2012-12-29 05:44:51 PM  
www.katrinadestruction.com


Yes, if only there had been some advance warning of Katrina...
 
2012-12-29 05:45:57 PM  

buzzcut73: I've never understood why NOAA is always being picked on by the Republicans as an example of government waste. They do some damn good work with not only the weather, but stuff that affects commerce (tide charts are kind of popular around ports that import Chinese goods, for example), they regulate fisheries, protect endangered sea critters, map the seafloor so you don't get Exxon Valdez type shiat happening...

/Oh, wait. Science bad.


You just answered your own question. Fisher-type people hate with white hot fury the Fisheries service.

/and science, bad, too
 
2012-12-29 05:47:32 PM  
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approves
 
2012-12-29 05:49:14 PM  

It's Me Bender: [www.katrinadestruction.com image 640x407]


Yes, if only there had been some advance warning of Katrina...


All the advance warning in the world does no good at all if those warned don't ACT ON IT.
 
2012-12-29 05:49:28 PM  
And America continues its march into darkness. Nice job, you farkholes.
 
2012-12-29 05:52:15 PM  
There's actually contingencies for this, plus, the replacement bird is in final testing for deployment.




The GOES-13 spacecraft, which had its sounder and imager instruments taken out of service because of technical trouble in late September, will return to full operations on Thursday, Oct. 18, 2012 as NOAA's GOES East satellite, NOAA officials said.

The trouble stemmed from a motor vibration, which caused a lubricant buildup that obstructed the spinning motion of the filter wheel in the sounder. A team of engineers from NOAA, Boeing and ITT suppressed the vibration, the filter wheel restarted and is running smoothly, with improved performance.

NOAA turned off the two instruments on September 23, and immediately configured GOES-15, the West Coast satellite, to provide additional coverage of the eastern United States and part of the Atlantic Ocean. Within a few hours, NOAA activated its on-orbit spare satellite, GOES-14, for full service.

And as a team of engineers from NOAA, Boeing and ITT continued to pinpoint the cause of the problem, NOAA began moving GOES-14 towards the position where GOES-13 was situated. GOES-14 will return to its earlier status as the on-orbit spare, NOAA officials said.

GOES-13 had been NOAA's geostationary satellite, providing coverage of the U.S. East Coast, since April 14, 2010. At all times, NOAA operates two GOES spacecraft 22,300 miles above the Equator, with an additional GOES in orbital storage mode, ready to step in if one of the active satellites experiences trouble.

NOAA manages the GOES program, establishes requirements, provides all funding and distributes environmental satellite data for the United States. The NASA GOES Program at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., procures and manages the design, development and launch of the satellites for NOAA on a cost reimbursable basis.

For NASA story: NOAA's GOES-13 Weather Satellite Currently Has an Acting Back-Up, visit:
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/goes-n/media/backup-goes.html
 
2012-12-29 05:53:39 PM  

kxs401: Small government! I'm a libertarian -- I'll track my own storms. Or wait, if this is a service the public cares about, the private sector gods will take it over.


They already have. Do you check the weather on some government agency website or TV channel? Of course not!

Just ask the folks of New Orleans if it might have been nice to have been evacuated in one of these flooded buses before Hurricane Katrina. That's what happens when you depend upon government for weather data.

media.patriotpost.us

99% of Americans, even the worthless, mooching, government-dependent 47 percenters, get their weather from a private, for-profit corporate entity, like the Weather Channel, or your local News Center 7 Action Alert HD Doppler Radar Weather Team, brought to you by (sponsor).

So once again, would prefer:

1) The result of government weather "service"

leatherneckm31.typepad.com

2) The result of private sector, for-profit weather service

img440.imageshack.us

www.pubguys.com


/yes, I know where the private weather services get their raw data
//Poe's Law
 
2012-12-29 05:53:45 PM  
Well to be fair, it's not like the satellites will immediately die on a certain date, they will most likely still be functional for quite some time after 2016, but yea, the new satellites may be a wee bit more important than some brand new exotic way to blow up brown people.
 
2012-12-29 05:53:46 PM  

Honest Bender: I live in California. What's weather?


It's like an above ground earthquake.
 
2012-12-29 05:55:29 PM  

mongbiohazard: Not from their constituents, so what do they care? They'll just blame it on the democrats, and since they have a captive audience of the folks with their heads neck deep in the echo chamber actual facts won't really play too big of a role in it.


As proven from this recent election... their constituents who still believe anything they say are a shrinking minority here in the US. They can try to blame all they want, the majority of Americans are on to them and fully aware of where the blame belongs.
 
2012-12-29 05:57:41 PM  

Parthenogenetic: kxs401: Small government! I'm a libertarian -- I'll track my own storms. Or wait, if this is a service the public cares about, the private sector gods will take it over.

They already have. Do you check the weather on some government agency website or TV channel? Of course not!

Just ask the folks of New Orleans if it might have been nice to have been evacuated in one of these flooded buses before Hurricane Katrina. That's what happens when you depend upon government for weather data.

[media.patriotpost.us image 380x235]

99% of Americans, even the worthless, mooching, government-dependent 47 percenters, get their weather from a private, for-profit corporate entity, like the Weather Channel, or your local News Center 7 Action Alert HD Doppler Radar Weather Team, brought to you by (sponsor).

So once again, would prefer:

1) The result of government weather "service"

[leatherneckm31.typepad.com image 350x450]

2) The result of private sector, for-profit weather service

[img440.imageshack.us image 400x300]

[www.pubguys.com image 400x300]


/yes, I know where the private weather services get their raw data
//Poe's Law


Twas pretty funny on Facebook a few weeks ago, Accuweather put out a little graphic on how they predicted a blizzard back in the 90s "well in advance of the NWS". The comments in response from weather nuts gave them a pretty epic beatdown in terms of their many forecasting failures over the years.
 
2012-12-29 05:58:16 PM  

starzman2003: As a guy who has an internship with the NWS this January and is interested in meteorology as a career, let me say this is frightening.


As a guy who's graduating with a met degree this year:

www.creativereview.co.uk

/GOES-R should be up by October 2015, I believe. We'll clearly have hoverboards before then, so hey, who cares about hurricanes when you've got a Pit Bull?
 
2012-12-29 05:58:20 PM  

Honest Bender: I live in California. What's weather?


wut?
 
2012-12-29 05:59:34 PM  
Parthenogenetic:

Oh thank farking god I read that all the way through...
 
2012-12-29 06:00:28 PM  
Parthenogenetic

*plonk!
 
2012-12-29 06:04:03 PM  
We can have pay raises for all federal workers or ditch the radar?  We ditch the radar. Makes sense.
 
2012-12-29 06:05:34 PM  

ds_4815: starzman2003: As a guy who has an internship with the NWS this January and is interested in meteorology as a career, let me say this is frightening.

As a guy who's graduating with a met degree this year:

[www.creativereview.co.uk image 300x424]

/GOES-R should be up by October 2015, I believe. We'll clearly have hoverboards before then, so hey, who cares about hurricanes when you've got a Pit Bull?


They'll noodle out the satellites by the time it becomes a problem.  But I will be very cross if they cut my grant before I graduate.

/Any idea what you are doing after you get your degree, by the way?
 
2012-12-29 06:06:34 PM  

ds_4815: starzman2003: As a guy who has an internship with the NWS this January and is interested in meteorology as a career, let me say this is frightening.

As a guy who's graduating with a met degree this year:

[www.creativereview.co.uk image 300x424]

/GOES-R should be up by October 2015, I believe. We'll clearly have hoverboards before then, so hey, who cares about hurricanes when you've got a Pit Bull?


Congrats on your upcoming graduation
 
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