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(Natural News)   News: Facebook removed account that had a pro-gun quote. Fark. The quote was from Gandhi   (naturalnews.com) divider line 163
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2012-12-30 02:46:08 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.

wat


You are wrong to think that I think Ghandi was a gun nut. You imagined what I thought, and were wrong, proving my point.

HighOnCraic: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.

Gandhi's views came under heavy criticism in Britain when it was under attack from Nazi Germany, and later when the Holocaust was revealed. He told the British people in 1940, "I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."

/Yep, sounds like a total gun nut.


I said prove me right, about imagining what people think. Not prove Lionel right in what he thought about my thoughts.
 
2012-12-30 03:26:30 AM  
Aside from batshiat crazy site like infowars, if this story is even remotely close to true I'd say its closer to a language barrier issue with poor translation on the moderation contract company, and Facebook not being douches. For once.

This is what happens when you outsource to staff who do not have the same native usage of the language that bulk of your visitors you do.
 
2012-12-30 08:53:39 AM  
It's amazing how many of you so easily lie to yourselves and everyone else. Gandhi was a very articulate man, so when he says "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." I'm pretty sure he's not just referring to an army. You're just projecting your demonstrably false interpretation of the 2nd amendment on a Gandhi quote. You lost, get over it.
 
2012-12-30 09:59:42 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: It's amazing how many of you so easily lie to yourselves and everyone else. Gandhi was a very articulate man, so when he says "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." I'm pretty sure he's not just referring to an army. You're just projecting your demonstrably false interpretation of the 2nd amendment on a Gandhi quote. You lost, get over it.


This.
Ghandi believed in peaceful demonstration, but that can only happen in a nation where you have relative peace and a balance of power among the people.
People in favor of disarmament are rarely against the use of force. They just want that force centralized into a group they control. They only want that power so they can use it.

/no claim to the contrary or number of laws can prove otherwise.
/the temptation to abuse overwhelming power is just too great.
 
2012-12-30 10:31:52 AM  

Orange-Pippin: sigdiamond2000: About the author

This dude is an anti-vaxxer, bither, truther, and chemtrail nut, among other things.

From your link:
Adams calls himself a holistic nutritionist and is a raw food proponent who opposes food that contains sugar, food that was cooked or made to last, "red" meat, sweeteners, glutamate, homogenized milk, bread and "white" flour, washing powder of some brands, deodorants, shampoos and fluoride toothpaste.

[i.imgur.com image 84x56]


He sounds like he would be a peach of a roommate. He would have to have his own nasty bathroom. OMFG
 
2012-12-30 11:53:43 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.


They have these things called books now. Since the quote included the book and page... nah. Ignorance is so much easier.
 
2012-12-30 01:39:59 PM  

giftedmadness: HighOnCraic: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.

Gandhi's views came under heavy criticism in Britain when it was under attack from Nazi Germany, and later when the Holocaust was revealed. He told the British people in 1940, "I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."

/Yep, sounds like a total gun nut.

What's your definition of a gun nut?  Is someone who supports the 2nd amendment a gun nut?


I'm just saying that his advice to the Brits seemed to indicate that he didn't want them to shoot back at the Nazis. That hardly sounds like a pro-gun position.

"You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away, and know when to run. You never count your money when you're sitting at the table, there'll be time enough for counting when the dealing's done."

Former Education Secretary Bill Bennett
 
2012-12-30 01:46:14 PM  
Here is  page of extensive Gandhi quotes which should make his position clear.

http://www.mkgandhi.org/nonviolence/phil8.htm

"I want both the Hindus and Mussalmans to cultivate the cool courage to die without killing. But if one has not that courage, I want him to cultivate the art of killing and being killed rather than, in a cowardly manner, flee from danger."

He viewed non-violence as the greatest virtue.  But if a person lacks the courage to  die when faced with violence, he preferred violent defense to cowardice.

"Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right."

Gandhi lived and preached non-violence.  But he not only tolerated those who choose violence, he actively campaigned for their right to choose.

So I conclude that Gandhi was neither pro-gun nor pro-disarmament.   He was pro-freedom.

 (If only our Christians were so secure in their beliefs!)
 
2012-12-30 03:43:43 PM  

Pincy: diaphoresis: I'm so glad I didn't get a Facebook account...

Well aren't you just superior to the rest of us? Do you feel like a big man now? Don't you know that over a billion people use Facebook and that you are worthless if you don't and furthermore, no one will hire you if you don't have a Facebook page? Welcome to obscurity pal.


Really? I don't have a facebook page. After my family asking me for 5 years to open a facebook account. I opened it and closed it two weeks later. Those are two weeks of my life that I will never get back. I don't get the fascination of airing personal business out on the internet. People usually tell me that they like to use Facebook to keep up with their friends. I tell them that is why I own a telephone.

/Facebook is evil.
//kinda being sarcastic
///kinda.......and slashes come in threes.
 
2012-12-30 04:31:50 PM  

giftedmadness: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying

It's utterly mind blowing how libs will read something to fit their own ends.  Did you notice the word "greatest" in the sentence?  This implies that there are other ways to learn how to use guns, like by not being in the military, but that the best way to learn how to use a gun is to join the military.  There is nothing in the quoted paragraph that says private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.


Being a liberal is never more frustrating then while there's a gun control push going on. Suddenly all of the people they admire for sage advice are ignored when they point out that the right to arms is an important defense against government authoritarianism. Gandhi is clearly advocating for an armed populace and yet everyone is bending over backwards to read it as him advocating military monopoly on arms.

Does that really make more sense to you? Gandhi trusted government sanctioned violence more than armed citizens able to defend themselves from oppression?

I generally fall on the left side of issues, but the wave of anti-gun propaganda and group think regurgitated talking points coming from the government via the media via everyone I talk to is too glaring to ignore. I've had to argue against the exact same arguments from all my friends and relatives over the holidays. It's amazing how homogeneous they are, and how willing everyone is to demonize gun owners.

It's also amazing how trusting the left suddenly is of the military and police as the sole defenders of the populous. Those guys laughing as they shoot Iraqis and tazing old ladies who resist arrest. Yes, let's make sure they're the only ones with access to military grade weapons.
 
2012-12-30 05:27:42 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Here is  page of extensive Gandhi quotes which should make his position clear.

http://www.mkgandhi.org/nonviolence/phil8.htm

"I want both the Hindus and Mussalmans to cultivate the cool courage to die without killing. But if one has not that courage, I want him to cultivate the art of killing and being killed rather than, in a cowardly manner, flee from danger."

He viewed non-violence as the greatest virtue.  But if a person lacks the courage to  die when faced with violence, he preferred violent defense to cowardice.

"Though violence is not lawful, when it is offered in self-defence or for the defence of the defenceless, it is an act of bravery far better than cowardly submission. The latter befits neither man nor woman. Under violence, there are many stages and varieties of bravery. Every man must judge this for himself. No other person can or has the right."

Gandhi lived and preached non-violence.  But he not only tolerated those who choose violence, he actively campaigned for their right to choose.

So I conclude that Gandhi was neither pro-gun nor pro-disarmament.   He was pro-freedom.

 (If only our Christians were so secure in their beliefs!)


I think that Gandhi is understood best as an Indian nationalist. Non-violence was for him a tactic to obtain independence from Britain, but not a strategy.

A lot of factors went into the circumstances that led to eventual independence of India (and Pakistan) from Britain. Gandhi's non-violent tactics were one of those factors, but by no means the only one; I don't even think they were the most important one.
 
2012-12-31 10:13:33 AM  

giftedmadness: HighOnCraic: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.

Gandhi's views came under heavy criticism in Britain when it was under attack from Nazi Germany, and later when the Holocaust was revealed. He told the British people in 1940, "I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."

/Yep, sounds like a total gun nut.

What's your definition of a gun nut?  Is someone who supports the 2nd amendment a gun nut?


My definition of a gun nut is someone who thinks that there's a secret conspiracy linking the recent shootings, and that the author of The Hunger Games is somehow in on it. Such as the author of the blog we're discussing.

(NaturalNews) The confirmed discovery that at 1hr:58 of the Dark Knight Rises, Commissioner Gordon is pointing to the words "Sandy Hook" on a map of the Gotham area has caused a storm of interest.

As it should---since 27 people were just killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, and in the Dark Knight film, "Sandy Hook" is indicated as a target for attack.

Unless, of course, one wants to believe this is merely a boggling coincidence, one that accidentally ties the Batman theater massacre to the Connecticut school massacre.

In that case, add to the list of coincidences the fact that Suzanne Collins, the author of The Hunger Games, in which 23 children are ritually sacrificed in arena competition, lives in Newtown/Sandy Hook, and in real life someone(s) just killed 20 children in the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

(link posted above)
 
2013-01-01 12:46:18 AM  

HighOnCraic: giftedmadness: HighOnCraic: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.

Gandhi's views came under heavy criticism in Britain when it was under attack from Nazi Germany, and later when the Holocaust was revealed. He told the British people in 1940, "I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."

/Yep, sounds like a total gun nut.

What's your definition of a gun nut?  Is someone who supports the 2nd amendment a gun nut?

My definition of a gun nut is someone who thinks that there's a secret conspiracy linking the recent shootings, and that the author of The Hunger Games is somehow in on it. Such as the author of the blog we're discussing.

(NaturalNews) The confirmed discovery that at 1hr:58 of the Dark Knight Rises, Commissioner Gordon is pointing to the words "Sandy Hook" on a map of the Gotham area has caused a storm of interest.

As it should---since 27 people were just killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, and in the Dark Knight film, "Sandy Hook" is indicated as a target for attack.

Unless, of course, one wants to believe this is merely a boggling coincidence, one that accidentally ties the Batman theater massacre to the Connecticut school massacre.

In that case, add to the list of coincidences the fact that Suzanne Collins, the author of The Hunger Games, in which 23 chil ...


It can't be anything but coincidence.
There was no way to know how many kids would be involved in that attack, or if some off duty cop would have been in a parent teacher meeting that day at sandy hook.
Aurora itself was chosen by its gun free zone policy, otherwise sideshow bob would have shot up some other crowd and we'd be pointing at a tea leaf in that film instead.
Hunger games could have been any number, but twelve districts gives you twenty four participants. District 9 could refer to the nine people killed in a recent bus crash... Or just be one of a thousand coincidences easily drawn after the fact.

If anyone wants to be useful, feel free to predict the next incident rather than playing connect the dots with current events.
 
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