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2012-12-29 04:39:01 PM
"But she was not just knee-deep, she was totally deep, when she did the freak with me."

--Bill Clinton
 
2012-12-29 04:47:23 PM
FTFA: We have entered the era of the Ministry of Truth from George Orwell's 1984 novel. And while Facebook assaults the First Amendment in America,


Whoever wrote this just may be farking retarded.

Protip: It is absolutely impossible for Facebook to assault your first amendment rights.
 
2012-12-29 04:50:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Wrongo
He wanted the rights of Englishmen which includes the right to private ownership of guns.
He said that "if we want to learn"...then they should enlist in the army...he didn't say that is the only way to have rights to use guns.
Did you not understand that last sentence?


Its amazing that you can read the same statement as the rest of us, and somehow interpret it as saying something that it doesn't even slightly hint at.
 
2012-12-29 04:50:46 PM
i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-29 04:55:33 PM

HighOnCraic: Sounds like a site for deep thinkers:

(NaturalNews) The confirmed discovery that at 1hr:58 of the Dark Knight Rises, Commissioner Gordon is pointing to the words "Sandy Hook" on a map of the Gotham area has caused a storm of interest.

As it should---since 27 people were just killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, and in the Dark Knight film, "Sandy Hook" is indicated as a target for attack.

Unless, of course, one wants to believe this is merely a boggling coincidence, one that accidentally ties the Batman theater massacre to the Connecticut school massacre.

In that case, add to the list of coincidences the fact that Suzanne Collins, the author of The Hunger Games, in which 23 children are ritually sacrificed in arena competition, lives in Newtown/Sandy Hook, and in real life someone(s) just killed 20 children in the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Learn more: Link

I'm afraid to read the comments at the bottom of the page; maybe later after I've had a couple of beers. . .


This link now auto-refreshes to some other nonsense article. He must have noticed all the traffic coming in and done the ol' switcharoo.
 
2012-12-29 05:02:59 PM
Mike Adams is a full on freak. He's one of the four horsemen of what I call the Aquackalypse. It's Adams, Dr. Mercola, Jeffrey Smith and Anthony Gucciardi.

Adams: "If Hitler had GMO technology, he would have fed GM corn to the Jews and not even bothered with the trouble of constructing gas chambers. He could have disguised it as a "government assistance" program, offering free food to all those of Jewish ancestry. Oh yes, and free vaccines, too. The combination of vaccine chemicals and GMO toxins would have accomplished much the same thing as Zyklon B, but instead of being perceived as an evil monster, Hitler could have been heralded as the hero of the Jewish people for giving them "free food and medicine!"
 
2012-12-29 05:04:46 PM

no_dice: HighOnCraic: Sounds like a site for deep thinkers:

(NaturalNews) The confirmed discovery that at 1hr:58 of the Dark Knight Rises, Commissioner Gordon is pointing to the words "Sandy Hook" on a map of the Gotham area has caused a storm of interest.

As it should---since 27 people were just killed at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, and in the Dark Knight film, "Sandy Hook" is indicated as a target for attack.

Unless, of course, one wants to believe this is merely a boggling coincidence, one that accidentally ties the Batman theater massacre to the Connecticut school massacre.

In that case, add to the list of coincidences the fact that Suzanne Collins, the author of The Hunger Games, in which 23 children are ritually sacrificed in arena competition, lives in Newtown/Sandy Hook, and in real life someone(s) just killed 20 children in the Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Learn more: Link

I'm afraid to read the comments at the bottom of the page; maybe later after I've had a couple of beers. . .

This link now auto-refreshes to some other nonsense article. He must have noticed all the traffic coming in and done the ol' switcharoo.


Yeah, it was tricky just to get a quick cut-and-paste job done. I tried skimming down; apparently, the Skull and Bones people are involved because Yale and Sandy Hook are both in Connecticut. You just have to study it out and connect the dots. Waitasec. . . Connect . . . I . . . Cut.

IT'S ALL CONNECTED!!!!1111!!!!
 
2012-12-29 05:04:56 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Wrongo
He wanted the rights of Englishmen which includes the right to private ownership of guns.
He said that "if we want to learn"...then they should enlist in the army...he didn't say that is the only way to have rights to use guns.
Did you not understand that last sentence?

Its amazing that you can read the same statement as the rest of us, and somehow interpret it as saying something that it doesn't even slightly hint at.


He said:  "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely:  "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

 
2012-12-29 05:16:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."


How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying
 
2012-12-29 05:26:26 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying


Ten pounds of stupid, at least.
 
2012-12-29 05:32:56 PM
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2012-12-29 05:32:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: RexTalionis: By the way: Here is the link to the relevant part of the autobiography. As you can clearly see, that quote is in the context that he was trying to recruit Indians for armed combatants and to serve in the Army on Britain's behalf for WWI (i.e. to provide defense, not for self defense, but for defense of India, at this point). The British Commissioners and Viceroy, however, were refusing to allow Indians to be armed and enlist in the military for their own defense, however, opting to keep India as a subject state rather than a partner of the Commonwealth.

He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE.

Here's another relevant quote from Gandhi's 1918 leaflet "Appeal for Enlistment" (See Page 83 of linked PDF).

You are all lovers of swaraj; some of you are members of the
Home Rule League. One meaning of Home Rule is that we should
become partners in the Empire. Today we are a subject people. We do
not enjoy all the rights of Englishmen. We are not today partners in
the Empire as are Canada, South Africa and Australia. We are a
dependency. We want the rights of Englishmen, and we aspire to be as
much partners in the Empire as the Dominions overseas. We look
forward to a time when we may aspire to the Viceregal office. To
bring about such a state of things we should have the ability to defend
ourselves, that is, the ability to bear arms and to use them. As long as
we have to look to Englishmen for our defence, as long as we are not
free from the fear of the military, so long we cannot be regarded as
equal partners with Englishmen. It behoves us, therefore, to learn the
use of arms and to acquire the ability to defend ourselves. If we want
to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our
duty to enlist ourselves in the army.

Wrongo
He wanted the rights of Englishmen which includes the right to private ownership of guns.
He said that "if we want to ...


He wanted the Indians to enlist as he did when he fought for the British in the Boer war. Why would a pacifist want that? Because he hated the Kaffirs and enjoy killing them. He formed an Indian Volunteer Corps of 1400 men.

"However, at about 12 o'clock we finished the day's journey, with no Kaffirs to fight." ~ The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol. V, p. 262

Whats a kaffir?

Used especially in southern Africa as a disparaging term for a Black person.

He also stated Kaffirs were less than human. No better than the 'Untouchables' of India.

Gandhi was also a bit of a incestuous pedo, he used to sleep naked with several young girls including his young grandniece.
 
2012-12-29 05:36:23 PM

wotthefark: Gandhi was also a bit of a incestuous pedo, he used to sleep naked with several young girls including his young grandniece.


Sleep with or have sex with?
 
2012-12-29 05:59:11 PM

Lionel Mandrake: wotthefark: Gandhi was also a bit of a incestuous pedo, he used to sleep naked with several young girls including his young grandniece.

Sleep with or have sex with?


"A bit of an incestuous pedo" - means slept with naked but no penetration of orifices. It's still kinda farked up.
 
2012-12-29 06:03:58 PM
FFS...another Natural News link. Did subby just recently discover this worthless, POS conspiracy site and think it would be funny to start linking more crap to the politics tab? Bad, bad subby.
 
2012-12-29 06:10:54 PM
I'm so glad I didn't get a Facebook account...
 
2012-12-29 06:12:21 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying


No.  The IF refers to learning to use a weapon with the greatest possible dispatch", NOT the right to own guns.

Hint, you have to look at the words right after "if" to understand what it refers to.  You don't get to make it up and say it has to do with gun ownership.
 
2012-12-29 06:12:29 PM

wotthefark:

He wanted the Indians to enlist as he did when he fought for the British in the Boer war. Why would a pacifist want that? Because he hated the

Relations between Indians and Blacks in South Africa have not always been cordial and have on at least one occasion turned violent. Note here that Gandhi *lived* in South Africa from 1893 to 1914.

upload.wikimedia.org

PS: Your Gandhi quote about having "no K***irs to fight" does not date from the Boer war, but from the Bambatha Uprising, a small British-Zulu war that took place in 1906, and in which Gandhi served on the British side as a medical corpsman.
 
2012-12-29 06:17:17 PM

wotthefark: Lionel Mandrake: wotthefark: Gandhi was also a bit of a incestuous pedo, he used to sleep naked with several young girls including his young grandniece.

Sleep with or have sex with?

"A bit of an incestuous pedo" - means slept with naked but no penetration of orifices. It's still kinda farked up.


Yeah.  It's also kinda irrelevant.
 
2012-12-29 06:23:19 PM

diaphoresis: I'm so glad I didn't get a Facebook account...


Well aren't you just superior to the rest of us? Do you feel like a big man now? Don't you know that over a billion people use Facebook and that you are worthless if you don't and furthermore, no one will hire you if you don't have a Facebook page? Welcome to obscurity pal.
 
2012-12-29 06:23:58 PM

mksmith: dr_blasto: Thar be some unhinged mofos at that site.

Well, it's Facebook. That's all the explanation necessary.

/only person within 100 miles without an account


", he says on Fark.com with absolutely no irony
 
2012-12-29 06:24:31 PM

schrodinger: Check out some of the ads:



I think that the real reason they got shut down was part of a conspiracy to promote cancer. Doctors love cancer, and they don't want people to realize how easy it is for cancer to be cured.


Five GALLONS of colloidal silver?
 
2012-12-29 06:30:02 PM

RexTalionis: By the way: Here is the link to the relevant part of the autobiography. As you can clearly see, that quote is in the context that he was trying to recruit Indians for armed combatants and to serve in the Army on Britain's behalf for WWI (i.e. to provide defense, not for self defense, but for defense of India, at this point). The British Commissioners and Viceroy, however, were refusing to allow Indians to be armed and enlist in the military for their own defense, however, opting to keep India as a subject state rather than a partner of the Commonwealth.

He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE.

Here's another relevant quote from Gandhi's 1918 leaflet "Appeal for Enlistment" (See Page 83 of linked PDF).


On page 75 of the same PDF is this complaint:

"INTERMINABLE DELAY IS TAKING PLACE IN THE AMENDMENTS
OF THE ARMS ACT IN ORDER TO ENABLE THE GENERAL BODY OF
PEOPLE TO TAKE AND CARRY ARMS IF THEY SO DESIRE "
 Immediately following the sentence we are discussing is this one:  "If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle class render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn."


Yes, Gandhi wanted an Indian Army.  But he also wanted the general population to regains its right to bear arms.  He was recruiting Indians to the British Army in hope of building trust between Brits and Indians that would lead to restoration of that right.
 
2012-12-29 06:34:21 PM
time for a conservative version of facebook?
do it

/well bye...
 
2012-12-29 06:34:32 PM

Pincy: diaphoresis: I'm so glad I didn't get a Facebook account...

Well aren't you just superior to the rest of us? Do you feel like a big man now? Don't you know that over a billion people use Facebook and that you are worthless if you don't and furthermore, no one will hire you if you don't have a Facebook page? Welcome to obscurity pal.


Odd... employed just fine, with a college degree and no facebook page

I would ask you how it feels to be so stupid, but you lack the education to explain yourself properly.

/Female, btw
 
2012-12-29 06:45:13 PM

BSABSVR: schrodinger: Check out some of the ads:

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2012-12-29 06:52:58 PM

halB: I remember most of British colonization of India, and they routinely armed the locals. If the locals weren't armed, then why in the hell would the Sepoy Mutiny have occurred - it being spawned by a rumor that the cartridges were greased with pig fat to make them waterproof.


The Sepoy Mutiny occurred in 1857.  The Arms Act of 1878 disarmed India.
 
2012-12-29 07:02:13 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying

No.  The IF refers to learning to use a weapon with the greatest possible dispatch", NOT the right to own guns.

Hint, you have to look at the words right after "if" to understand what it refers to.  You don't get to make it up and say it has to do with gun ownership.


Of course it has nothing to do with private gun ownership. That's the point.

Holy crap you're dense.
 
2012-12-29 07:23:41 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying

No.  The IF refers to learning to use a weapon with the greatest possible dispatch", NOT the right to own guns.

Hint, you have to look at the words right after "if" to understand what it refers to.  You don't get to make it up and say it has to do with gun ownership.

Of course it has nothing to do with private gun ownership. That's the point.

Holy crap you're dense.


It had everything to do with private gun ownership.
 
2012-12-29 07:32:09 PM
Argh.  Natural news....   I have a friend who loves that site.   She's scared of fluoride, among other things.
 
2012-12-29 08:32:52 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying

No.  The IF refers to learning to use a weapon with the greatest possible dispatch", NOT the right to own guns.

Hint, you have to look at the words right after "if" to understand what it refers to.  You don't get to make it up and say it has to do with gun ownership.

Of course it has nothing to do with private gun ownership. That's the point.

Holy crap you're dense.


So you agree with me

Some used that quote to make a claim about private gun ownership

Looks like you are the dense one

Is that all you got? Being wrong and then name calling?
 
2012-12-29 09:18:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying

No.  The IF refers to learning to use a weapon with the greatest possible dispatch", NOT the right to own guns.

Hint, you have to look at the words right after "if" to understand what it refers to.  You don't get to make it up and say it has to do with gun ownership.

Of course it has nothing to do with private gun ownership. That's the point.

Holy crap you're dense.

So you agree with me

Some used that quote to make a claim about private gun ownership

Looks like you are the dense one

Is that all you got? Being wrong and then name calling?


No you moron, it was the sane people in this thread saying that the statement in TFA had nothing to do with private gun ownership, while you and BarkingUnicorn are in here trying to make Gandhi into some kind of Indian gun-nut. To quote you, "He wanted the rights of Englishmen which includes the right to private ownership of guns." So if you're claiming to now agree with me that the statement said nothing about private firearms ownership, you're disavowing your own post in this vary thread. But considering your astounding capacity for cognitive dissonance, that won't surprise me in the least.
 
2012-12-29 09:46:14 PM
"You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."

--O.J. Simpson
 
2012-12-29 09:59:21 PM

Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.


...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.
 
2012-12-29 10:31:31 PM

s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.


Gandhi's views came under heavy criticism in Britain when it was under attack from Nazi Germany, and later when the Holocaust was revealed. He told the British people in 1940, "I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."

/Yep, sounds like a total gun nut.
 
2012-12-29 10:47:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.


Well, you're a moron.
 
2012-12-29 11:03:14 PM
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet." - Harry Truman
 
2012-12-29 11:32:49 PM
From what I've heard, the deactivation of the account had nothing to do with the Gandhi quote. What it did have to do with was someone trolling journalists and activists on both sides of the political spectrum and exposing a loophole in Facebook's TOS. As things stand now, anyone can add you as an admin on any group page without your permission or you even knowing it. Someone created a page, added a bunch of "alternative media" journalists and activists as admins, posted porn on the page, removed themselves as admin, reported the page as violating the TOS, then undoubtedly sat back chuckling as Facebook restricted the accounts of everyone s/he'd made admins on that page.

Source: Tim Pool
 
2012-12-29 11:40:53 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying


It's utterly mind blowing how libs will read something to fit their own ends.  Did you notice the word "greatest" in the sentence?  This implies that there are other ways to learn how to use guns, like by not being in the military, but that the best way to learn how to use a gun is to join the military.  There is nothing in the quoted paragraph that says private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
 
2012-12-29 11:45:58 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: Wolf_Blitzer: tenpoundsofcheese: He said: "If we want to learn the use of arms with the greatest possible despatch, it is our duty to enlist ourselves in the army."

That is NOT saying what someone else said, namely: "He wasn't advocating for private ownership of arms. He was advocating allowing Indians to use arms WHILE SERVING IN MILITARY SERVICE."

How are you that amazingly stupid that you can't understand an If/Then statement? Thats exactly what he's saying

No.  The IF refers to learning to use a weapon with the greatest possible dispatch", NOT the right to own guns.

Hint, you have to look at the words right after "if" to understand what it refers to.  You don't get to make it up and say it has to do with gun ownership.

Of course it has nothing to do with private gun ownership. That's the point.

Holy crap you're dense.


LOL. wow.  Your whole argument was that the quote proves that Ghandi was against private gun ownership and that the only place he wanted people to have guns was in the military.  10lbsofCheese totally blew your derptastic argument out of the water and now you're backpedaling?
 
2012-12-29 11:56:11 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Pincy: OK, I'll be that guy.

People still use Facebook?

Well aren't you cool?

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Link

Is "not having a Facebook account" the new "not owning a TV"?


How the f**k can you have 1 billion Facebook users when there aren't even 1 billion people with Internet access? Sure, there are businesses mixed in there, but that's not going to be enough to tip the scales all the way to 1 billion.
 
2012-12-30 12:00:09 AM

giftedmadness: It's utterly mind blowing how libs will read something to fit their own ends. Did you notice the word "greatest" in the sentence? This implies that there are other ways to learn how to use guns, like by not being in the military, but that the best way to learn how to use a gun is to join the military. There is nothing in the quoted paragraph that says private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.


You'll have to quote back to me where I said otherwise. The point was the absense of a positive argument, not the presence of a negative one. Apparently you fail at basic logic.

I did enjoy "derptastic" though, I'm going to have to remember that one. Save the "LIBSLIBSLIBS!!" schtick for freeperville, though.
 
2012-12-30 12:08:37 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: giftedmadness: It's utterly mind blowing how libs will read something to fit their own ends. Did you notice the word "greatest" in the sentence? This implies that there are other ways to learn how to use guns, like by not being in the military, but that the best way to learn how to use a gun is to join the military. There is nothing in the quoted paragraph that says private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

You'll have to quote back to me where I said otherwise. The point was the absense of a positive argument, not the presence of a negative one. Apparently you fail at basic logic.

I did enjoy "derptastic" though, I'm going to have to remember that one. Save the "LIBSLIBSLIBS!!" schtick for freeperville, though.


Wolf_Blitzer: giftedmadness: It's utterly mind blowing how libs will read something to fit their own ends. Did you notice the word "greatest" in the sentence? This implies that there are other ways to learn how to use guns, like by not being in the military, but that the best way to learn how to use a gun is to join the military. There is nothing in the quoted paragraph that says private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

You'll have to quote back to me where I said otherwise. The point was the absense of a positive argument, not the presence of a negative one. Apparently you fail at basic logic.

I did enjoy "derptastic" though, I'm going to have to remember that one. Save the "LIBSLIBSLIBS!!" schtick for freeperville, though.


The whole point of quoting the paragraph was to put it in context and to say that he wasn't in support of private ownership of guns.  But in fact he was wanting rights just like the English had, which included the right to gun ownership.  Also, you didn't even mention the fact that the said the best way to learn how to use a gun, was via the military.  This implies he thinks there are other ways to learn how to use a gun.   People quoted this paragraph to make the claim that Ghandi was against private gun ownership, which in fact he wasn't.
 
2012-12-30 12:13:14 AM

HighOnCraic: s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.

Gandhi's views came under heavy criticism in Britain when it was under attack from Nazi Germany, and later when the Holocaust was revealed. He told the British people in 1940, "I would like you to lay down the arms you have as being useless for saving you or humanity. You will invite Herr Hitler and Signor Mussolini to take what they want of the countries you call your possessions... If these gentlemen choose to occupy your homes, you will vacate them. If they do not give you free passage out, you will allow yourselves, man, woman, and child, to be slaughtered, but you will refuse to owe allegiance to them."

/Yep, sounds like a total gun nut.


What's your definition of a gun nut?  Is someone who supports the 2nd amendment a gun nut?
 
2012-12-30 12:34:54 AM
Rimmer: Wasn't it Saint Francis of Assisi himself who said "Never give a sucker an even break?"
Kryten: Well if he did, sir, it was strictly off the record.
 
2012-12-30 01:20:13 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: it was the sane people in this thread saying that the statement in TFA had nothing to do with private gun ownership, while you and BarkingUnicorn are in here trying to make Gandhi into some kind of Indian gun-nut.


I quoted Gandhi from the sources that RexTalionis  provided.  It's perfectly clear that he was aggressively pursuing the right to bear arms for all Indians, not just those in military service.

"INTERMINABLE DELAY IS TAKING PLACE IN THE AMENDMENTS
OF THE ARMS ACT IN ORDER TO ENABLE THE GENERAL BODY OF
PEOPLE
TO TAKE AND CARRY ARMS
IF THEY SO DESIRE "

 "If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle class render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn."

There is no paradox or inconsistency in viewing Gandhi as a pacifist who lobbied for the right to bear arms.  Gandhi never chose to use a gun.  But he fought for the right of his people to defend themselves with guns if they wished to do so.  He led by his life's example, while seeking freedom for his people.  That is true nobility.  It doesn't make him an "Indian gun-nut."
 
2012-12-30 01:54:18 AM

Nobodyn0se: Protip: It is absolutely impossible for Facebook to assault your first amendment rights.


Well, I'll just have to start the Facebook Political Party and prove you wrong.
 
2012-12-30 01:55:22 AM
Y'all libs can murder unborn children without using guns. We'll keep our guns and teach our children how to use em.
 
2012-12-30 02:18:46 AM

s2s2s2: Lionel Mandrake: s2s2s2: cameroncrazy1984: I have a really hard time believing that the grandfather of nonviolent protest was pro-gun.

You'll get over it. Just remember, People don't believe what you imagine they do.

...says the guy who apparently thinks Gandhi was a gun-lover.

...says the guy who only piped up to prove me right.


wat
 
2012-12-30 02:19:34 AM

Friction8r: Y'all libs can murder unborn children without using guns. We'll keep our guns and teach our children how to use em.


You're funny.
 
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