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(Regina Leader-Post)   City to use photo radar 'lottery' to reward good drivers. I wonder what Admiral Ackbar would say about this?   (leaderpost.com) divider line 43
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2012-12-29 01:57:52 PM
"Take evasive action."
 
2012-12-29 01:59:32 PM
Why use the stick, when you can use the carrot?
 
2012-12-29 02:00:17 PM
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
 
2012-12-29 02:02:26 PM
Cost to administer 'lottery' - probably about $40,000 + a few hundred for gift certificates.

Actual benefit to society: nil.

It would take a three minute phone call to anybody who has studied behavioral economics to see that this lottery will do nothing except eat money.
 
2012-12-29 02:04:11 PM
1) Find out which camera(s) the lottery will be drawn from. Drive in a circle continuously so you're constantly coming up on said camera(s).

2) ???

3) Profit.
 
2012-12-29 02:08:41 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Cost to administer 'lottery' - probably about $40,000 + a few hundred for gift certificates.

Actual benefit to society: nil.

It would take a three minute phone call to anybody who has studied behavioral economics to see that this lottery will do nothing except eat money.


Probably not, but you've missed some important details.  Canmore is patrolled by the RCMP, including the photo radar.  None of the money collected by that program currently stays in the community, whereas now some will.  If nothing else, this is a way to deflect criticism of that specific charge against the photo radar program.

Besides, nobody should need incentive to drive around Canmore for hours on end.
 
2012-12-29 02:08:54 PM
If the city government has enough TAX MONEY to just GIVE it away, then taxes are too high.
Or if the money is from tickets, then perhaps their restrictions are too strict.
 
2012-12-29 02:10:07 PM
And it's Canmore, FFS.  Just slow down and enjoy the view.

www.google.ca
 
2012-12-29 02:10:08 PM
1) Click link to see which city is stupid enough to do this

2) Find out it's Calgary

3) Go back to not caring
 
2012-12-29 02:10:59 PM
Stupid
 
2012-12-29 02:11:03 PM

had98c: 1) Find out which camera(s) the lottery will be drawn from. Drive in a circle continuously so you're constantly coming up on said camera(s).

2) ???

3) Profit.


How much is your time worth?
Oh, and they tell you what you can spend it on:
"four lucky drivers each month with $250 winnings that can be spent on everything from spa treatments to fine dining within the town."
 
2012-12-29 02:11:20 PM
instead of a gift certificate, why not give the winner a free "break a law" pass?
 
2012-12-29 02:13:33 PM
"Concentrate all firepower on that Super Star Destroyer!"

/am I doing this wrong?
 
2012-12-29 02:13:45 PM
Knowing how the cameras work, it will probably turn into a giant flap as it CHARGES people money, while it was supposed to reward them. Causing them to lose their license, get arrested for failing to pay tickets, and ending life as we know it.

/could happen.
 
2012-12-29 02:14:23 PM
Because cop contact is FUN!
 
2012-12-29 02:14:29 PM
2 Replies: If the city government has enough TAX MONEY to just GIVE it away, then taxes are too high.
Or if the money is from tickets, then perhaps their restrictions are too strict.

Wow. I am against this program (see my previous post), but your lack of ability to analyze this situation in a non-juvenile way is yet another reminder why democracy doesn't work, people.

Despite what the bootstrappy ones here will whine about, government absolutely does have an absolute duty to incentivize good behavior and it does it in all manner of subtle, sometimes economic ways. And, then there's this program, which in theory tries to do this, but will do nothing useful.

Your second sentence just suggests you havent thought the matter through enough.
 
2012-12-29 02:18:47 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: absolutely does have an absolute duty


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2012-12-29 02:25:38 PM

CowardlyLion: Bomb Head Mohammed: absolutely does have an absolute duty

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


That just means he wants you to do what he says without question.
 
2012-12-29 02:27:52 PM
"WE CAN'T REPEL FIREPOWER OF THAT MAGNITUDE!"
 
2012-12-29 02:32:19 PM
Funny. I have been joking about this for years.
 
2012-12-29 02:37:02 PM
"We stopped you to give you a reward for being such a good driver!"

"We're gonna need your driver license so we can give you the citation!"

Plus, run a quick background check while they have it.
 
2012-12-29 02:39:38 PM

Godscrack: "We stopped you to give you a reward for being such a good driver!"

"We're gonna need your driver license so we can give you the citation!"

Plus, run a quick background check while they have it.


They have been paying attention to process servers.
 
2012-12-29 02:41:14 PM

illannoyin: 1) Click link to see which city is stupid enough to do this

2) Find out it's Calgary

3) Go back to not caring


It's Canmore, farknuts.  Try reading next time.
 
2012-12-29 02:41:50 PM
CowardlyLion: absolute duty

I actually used the term 'absolute duty' in the correct technical sense.

I think you'll have a hard time finding any sane person who believes that one of the roles of government is not their absolute duty to dicincentivize certain vices (like murder). I view the incentivization of certain good behavior to correct for market failures as the flip side of this and likewise absolute. For example, take for a moment as a given the slightly debatable proposition that recycling is a good thing - if the benefit to society as a whole is seen as sufficiently, incentivizing recycling (or punishing those that dont recycle) i would content is an absolute duty of government.
 
2012-12-29 02:59:29 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Oh, and they tell you what you can spend it on:
"four lucky drivers each month with $250 winnings that can be spent on everything from spa treatments to fine dining within the town."


Meh, I think thats kinda cool that they're insisting the money be kept in the community.
 
2012-12-29 03:07:08 PM

Godscrack: "We stopped you to give you a reward for being such a good driver!"

"We're gonna need your driver license so we can give you the citation!"

Plus, run a quick background check while they have it.


"Thanks for making my blood pressure go up, Officer."

/ wouldn't like talking to the Police
// ....even if I'm "awarded" $250 for the privilege..
 
2012-12-29 03:08:33 PM
Photo radar rewarded me with a speeding ticket in a town 400 miles away in which I'd never been to.
 
2012-12-29 03:36:00 PM
It's conditioning. Rewarding very few if any for good driving while ticketing most other drivers like what they originally intended. They did something like that back home where they would have sobriety checkpoints but on tv news they said the cops were handing out gift cards for seatbelt wearers.
 
2012-12-29 03:48:46 PM

Godscrack: "We stopped you to give you a reward for being such a good driver!"


Hey, wait a minute, that's how Barney Fife got rid of Aunt Bee's kerosene cucumbers on that one episode of The Andy Griffith Show...
 
2012-12-29 03:52:18 PM
God = omniscient reward and punishment system
Santa = omniscient reward and punishment system
Government = omniscient reward and punishment system

God= Santa = Government

I see what they're doing.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-12-29 03:56:37 PM
What if somebody is just passing through and can't come back to spend their gift card? Sounds discriminatory to me. Hope some of these businesses atleast ship their goods.
 
2012-12-29 04:13:38 PM

ChuDogg: What if somebody is just passing through and can't come back to spend their gift card? Sounds discriminatory to me. Hope some of these businesses atleast ship their goods.


Well I assume these cameras can only look up their states license information.  So if you got nabbed speeding or "won" the prize... they couldn't process either anyway.
 
2012-12-29 04:22:27 PM

Rich Cream: God = omniscient reward and punishment system
Santa = omniscient reward and punishment system
Government = omniscient reward and punishment system
God= Santa = Government

I see what they're doing.


Police=Angels (Never lie to an angel.They work for God)
Break the law=Sinning
Prison=Hell
 
2012-12-29 04:33:36 PM
Okay, Canada, you're trying a little too hard on this ultra-polite stereotype.
 
2012-12-29 04:40:08 PM

B'lieve Admiral Ackbar might say, "Make It So that all those Death Stars automagically transmigrate to A Distant Galaxy Beyond Our Knowing. & take Darth Vader & The Emperor with them, but please to leave that cute GrumpyCat here. I authorise her presence as an Official Resistance Pet.:"

i.imgur.com
So Many have fetched this to various threads here, 3x to Caturday.
 
2012-12-29 07:33:18 PM
This..
Link
 
2012-12-29 07:39:33 PM
I don't really have a problem with this, but it sounds like they're implementing it in a weird way. Rather than sift through law-abiders "caught" on camera, why don't they just keep a pool of all registered drivers in the city and then eliminate drivers as they're caught speeding?

Or maybe that's what they're doing and I'm just reading it wrong.
 
2012-12-29 08:17:15 PM
I'll take "It's a trap" for $500, Alex.....
 
2012-12-29 08:51:32 PM
I live in canmore. I'm kinda surprised they're doing this, but considering I've been nailed twice in the last year (41 km in a 30 zone, I can walk faster than that), maybe I can make some cash back.
 
2012-12-29 09:53:43 PM
"You can see here, the Death Star orbiting the forest moon of Endor. Although, the weapon systems on this Death Star or not yet operational, the Death Star does have a strong defense mechanism. It is protected by an energy shield which is generated from the nearby forest moon of Endor."
 
2012-12-29 10:32:28 PM
It's a part?
 
2012-12-29 10:51:28 PM
I'll generally just walk from my cabin down to the Drake or Rose and Crown when I want to drink, but now that I know there's a potential prize... maybe I'll get in my car and just keep driving slowly back and forth to increase my odds of winning.
 
2012-12-30 01:22:10 AM

teeny: I don't really have a problem with this, but it sounds like they're implementing it in a weird way. Rather than sift through law-abiders "caught" on camera, why don't they just keep a pool of all registered drivers in the city and then eliminate drivers as they're caught speeding?

Or maybe that's what they're doing and I'm just reading it wrong.


Or, since Canmore is largely a tourist town, they could just eliminate all the local registered drivers from the pool. Award the gift cards to people who live far enough away to not shop in town regularly but close enough to return to spend their prize and do some other shopping while they're there. And then just hope the locals don't notice that none of them ever win.

Even though that wasn't a serious suggestion, I doubt I'm the only one to think of it. A couple of actual concerns though would be 1) who's going to be keeping an eye on the lottery to track how many of the prizes go to the administrator's friends/family? and 2) this means they'll now be attempting to photograph and keep records of every car on the road, not just those caught speeding.
 
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