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(Digital Spy UK)   Kevin Smith calls The Amazing Spider-Man Issue #700's bluff (spoilers)   ( divider line
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2012-12-30 07:42:19 PM  

ZeroCorpse: TwistedFark: Yes, I realize, it's all a big put on and probably even providing Marvel with a way to undo the "One More Day" storyline. Still, why would anyone pick this issue up? Or to be more succinct - why would anyone pick up the next years worth of issues? If you're a new reader who probably knows the movies/television, then this storyline will make no sense and probably alienate you. If you're an existing reader, why continue with the book when the character that is the main character has essentially been replaced?

Why continue reading Harry Potter when Dumbledore dies? Why continue reading Game of Thrones after they kill Ned? Why continue reading the X-Men when Jean Grey is killed off? Etc. Etc. Etc.

The replacement/loss and how it's dealt with IS the story. That's why.

You seem to be an idiot.

I stated quite clearly that I understand that this is just another plot transition - the point that I was trying to make is that it also marks a denoument of sorts that makes it easy for a long term reader to put down the book, yet also makes it difficult for a new reader to get into the current story line. From an editorial standpoint - it's a clusterfark.

Also, the novel analogy is a poor one. First off, it'd be more like replacing Harry Potter with a villain, and not a good one either, like Snape, but a third string one like that fat kid that's always following around the derpy looking blonde kid. Plus, a novel has a plot - a beginning, a middle and an end. Comics don't - they have story arcs. Think of this as the end of a story arc and the set up for the next one being "Superior Spider-man #1".

All I was trying to say is that they have ended one arc and begun another one in a way that seems almost designed to be very ineffective at retaining or gaining readership.
2012-12-30 10:57:54 PM  
Its just lazy at this point and it means a bad guy is an Avenger
2012-12-30 11:45:55 PM  

Trafficguy2000: Its just lazy at this point and it means a bad guy is an Avenger

That has happened before you know. Sandman was an Avenger for a short bit.
2012-12-30 11:50:44 PM  

texdent: Trafficguy2000: Its just lazy at this point and it means a bad guy is an Avenger

That has happened before you know. Sandman was an Avenger for a short bit.

The Avengers had loads of former villains as members. Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, all major Avengers members, all of them previously villains. There's a storied history of Earth's Mightiest Heroes being a place for bad guys to earn redemption.

Too bad they scrapped The Avengers in favor of BMB's SuperFriends.

/Bitter, done now
2012-12-31 12:25:40 PM  

FatherChaos: It's long, but...

This basically tells you why you shouldn't kill off superheroes


I was about to post a link to this as well, for this video is one of the greatest studies of "death" in comic books. Not to mention it is darn funny. I completely agree with his final analysis - Killing Superman basically killed "death." Since then, no death has been taken seriously in any comic universe...

/huh, Grey Hulk. Who knew?
2012-12-31 02:24:16 PM  
I just remember in Civil War when Peter revealed his identity to the world, and for a few pages (and a couple issues) you had reactions from everyone associated with Spider-Man in the comic book world. JJJ passed out and then sued Parker for fraud, Kingpin puts a hit out on Peter which ends up hitting Aunt May (after which Peter hunts him down and beats the ever-loving piss out of him), and Doc Ock has an absolute shiat hemorrhage in the middle of a street when he finds out his genius intellect and monomaniacal schemes had been bested countless times by a 15-year-old kid. You get reaction shots from many other members of the Sinister Six, and others which ranged from fury to absolute, gobsmacking surprise. It was beautiful.

I don't see for one minute Octavius having the Grinchy change of heart to pull off being Spider-Man. There are elements of ego, humorlessness and perfectionism (hence the "Superior") in him that I don't see going away, and it was always Spidey's sense of humor and his humility that made him so good. I think we'll find Peter as the more dominant personality somehow leaking back in to take over.

Then again I quit reading Amazing a year into Brand New Day and never went back. IMHO, the last good Amazing stories died when J. Michael Straczynski stopped writing.
2012-12-31 03:34:14 PM  

TwistedFark: Issue #700 has become a perfect "jumping off" point for me for the series...

A jumping-off point for many was probably that spider-moment that inspired a thousand talkshow revelations:

Dr. Trainer: ...and the DNA tests say . . .   Ben Reilly, you ARE the real Peter Parker!
Studio audience: ooooOOOOOO!!!
2012-12-31 07:37:30 PM  

th0th: the last good Amazing stories died when J. Michael Straczynski stopped writing.

This.  times 1000.
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