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2012-12-30 07:10:54 PM  

Hebalo: I think the answer is a 30's era Superman film, with a drastically depowered Superman. Maybe by the end he learns to fly, He should be able to be hurt, but stronger than the average man.....


Funny you should mention that.....

Kevin Smith talks about Superman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk
 
2012-12-30 07:17:34 PM  

jimmyjackfunk: jj325: I think that a part of the problem is that to a whole generation, and to a lot of other people, this

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is Superman.  Christopher Reeve owned that role, and his image has become so closely associated with Superman, that it's hard to get people on the side of a different actor.

^THIS. This is the Superman I remember. Of course the animated series I got used to hearing Tim Daly's voice but that is a different matter. When we rented The Dark Knight Rises, there was a trailer for this movie and the wife was echoing my sentiment, "There will only be ONE Superman and he is dead now"

/of course I think one of the better comics I remember reading was something along the lines of a "what if" storyline where what if Kal-El had crashed just outside Gotham and the Waynes had found him, decided to not have children and adopt him. One of the images I can remember was in the alley when they get shot, he gets pissed and pretty much burns them up with his heat vision.


IIRC, the story is an DC Elseworlds comic called "Speeding Bullets".
 
2012-12-30 08:24:09 PM  

Lord Binky: Then let's consider how the hell he juggles his professional life with his superhero life. A guy still has to sleep, right? How does he choose to socialize with Lois and Jimmy instead of searching for crimes to stop? Come to think of it, Supes could take a page out of the show Dexter to show how much thought must be put into that. Being Superman is not as easy as it's been made to look. A Superman movie needs to dwell on those things because that's the kind of stuff real people would have to think about every day if they wanted to be like him. We need to stop watching Superman and need to start being put in his boots.


Astro City #1 had a great story that followed a day in the life of their Superman analog The Samaritan, who wound up being near burnout because he was constantly running around trying to save everyone all the time. He simply had no time to have a real life, and he just couldn't let a single person come to harm if he could help it. At the end, you really wound up feeling sorry for him because his powers and abilities trapped him in a very real way.
 
2012-12-30 09:39:17 PM  
I would love to see a superman movie that takes a real look at superman. Some real superman issues I have wondered about include:

How did superman decide to be clark? I mean his human parents raised him to help people as much as possible right? So how did he decide that being a bumbling reporter or hanging out with Jimmy Olsen was ok when there were people who were dying that he could easily save. And how does he feel about sitting on his ass or going out with Lois when people are dying.

And how does he decide who to save? I mean if he hears two people call out at the same time, who does he pick?

And what would someone with superman's powers be doing in a real world? I mean why stop bank robbers when he could be doing things like saving people from earth quakes and hurricanes. I mean if superman was alive would things like the Japan earthquake and nuclear meltdown, or hurricane sandy have happened (or would they have killed anyone)?

And how does he decide when to intervene? Would he take action in Syria, or something like Iran's nuclear program? And if intervening in those kinds of things is ok what about something smaller like maybe he doesn't like US spy satellites so he starts destroying them. Or maybe he starts fixing infrastructure in the US himself because he doesn't think the government is doing a good job. And if he is doing those kind of thinks how far does it go before he is actually ruling a country.

Those kind of things would interest me.
 
2012-12-30 10:20:37 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Lord Binky: Then let's consider how the hell he juggles his professional life with his superhero life. A guy still has to sleep, right? How does he choose to socialize with Lois and Jimmy instead of searching for crimes to stop? Come to think of it, Supes could take a page out of the show Dexter to show how much thought must be put into that. Being Superman is not as easy as it's been made to look. A Superman movie needs to dwell on those things because that's the kind of stuff real people would have to think about every day if they wanted to be like him. We need to stop watching Superman and need to start being put in his boots.

Astro City #1 had a great story that followed a day in the life of their Superman analog The Samaritan, who wound up being near burnout because he was constantly running around trying to save everyone all the time. He simply had no time to have a real life, and he just couldn't let a single person come to harm if he could help it. At the end, you really wound up feeling sorry for him because his powers and abilities trapped him in a very real way.


I haven't read Astro City in years. I forgot about that story. Such a good comic.


That reminds me; someone mentioned that Superman doesn't have a "Dark Knight Returns." He does when you think about it; it's called "Kingdom Come." Rename it "The Man of Steel Returns" in your mind when you read it and it suddenly is rather similar to DKR.
 
2012-12-31 02:39:58 AM  

Mentat: kroonermanblack: Superman is lame. He's a full fledged god. He has no power limitations, has every power, and is completely immune to everything but magic rocks or magic.

Unless we're taking away all the super powers that make the escapism cool, super man is a tits up boring character because he's a GOD. There's no training or difficulty for him to overcome, it's all worthless challenges. And when he DOES have a fight? It's farking super-sayan Dragon Ball Z levels of stupid 'blowing up the sun to power punch' strength. Those characters are tepidly boring to watch because there's no real risk or harm to them, so why care? Especially since he has EVERY super power known to man, and has it better than the premier exemplar of it anyway.

Imagine for a moment how much concentration is required for Clark Kent to shake someone's hand without crushing it into paste.  Or to kiss Lois without crushing her face.  or opening a car door without ripping it off.  Superman doesn't get an off-day.  He doesn't get to daydream or let his mind wander.  He has to maintain that level of concentration 24/7, even in the midst of battle.  This is a man who can literally crack the planet in half, and yet he chooses not to.  Why?  Because Superman's limits have never been physical, they are moral and ethical.  This is a man who holds himself to a superhuman standard of conduct not simply because he wants to, but because he has to for the safety of everyone around him.  Moreover, he knows that his greatest power is the ability to inspire humanity to greatness, but he has to exercise that power cautiously so that he doesn't instead make humanity feel small and weak in his presence.  It's his greatest strength and his most glaring weakness.  It's how his greatest enemies attack him.  And that's where you find the best stories about Superman.


A-farking-men. A few people have distiller what is the essence of Superman has to be in order to make him work or intriguing. Do you need insane brawling? Of course. Mindless violence though doesn't carry enough weight. To tackle Superman you have to hurt him where it counts, his humanity. From personal experiences, I can get behind what it might feel like to be different from everyone else. To amp it up to the level of Supeeman though, you're saying the only thing that connects him to humanity as a whole is choice. His choice to be good, due to feeling love and having something important is what the crux of him is. In an odd way, the Joker's plan in The Dark Knight (not execution wise, just the basic idea) is where Superman would shine. Take from Superman his humanity and break him the only way you can. Making the, "right," choice is rarely ever easy. It's usually the exact opposite. That is what makes Superman so potentially great. You have the powers of a god, you can crush everything, yet you actively choose to take the weakest aspects of humanity and make them a beacon of hope.

His power can offer him nothing if he chooses to love humanity as a whole. He will always be an outsider looking in. It is always shocking how many writers fail to push the hard boundaries within Superman.

I always wanted to write a comic of What If Superman Was Born to a Broken Home in Detroit? Feeling unloved, unwanted, filled with spite and ultimately a dick. It would be comedy and nothing more. But it does offer up perspective on what the essence of Superman is. He represents what we should all aspire to become in terms of morality.
 
2012-12-31 03:36:22 AM  
I hope the Superman movie is good. I got bored with Batman a while ago. I was upset with how they botched the Green Lantern movie.
 
2012-12-31 05:32:19 AM  
i think on some level you could say that Superman only work in what he has, but fails because people always want more. instead of just enjoying what happens in the story (which goes to the previous "death of Superman video" and vampires can die any way you write it), people ask for more. if people kept asking those questions of any literary arc it would be the same. most are finite, so people stop wondering, they die away, or are just assumed to be "suspension of disbelief"

to put it another way. no one says that Batman should take over Gotham with his helpers and robots and Gordon, and then Gotham would be super safe (or just kill everyone bad, but then what stories are left to tell?)

some one should do a comic panel of someone screaming for Superman to help, and him replying (with an up close shot of him in a bordered panel) saying, "sorry, i am trapped here"

i will always believe that i had more "belief" in what Superman did that what Batman did. Superman? who knows what he can do (or what happens between "panels"?). Batman? he's a human, and no one has done what he's done, so that's skeptical.

probably rambled or missed a point. 'night!
ps. Kurt Busiek had a good line on this that i think influenced me.
 
2012-12-31 06:45:57 AM  
Easy to reboot:

1. No suit
2. No flying
3. Giant spider in 3rd act
 
2012-12-31 08:15:48 AM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Darkseid should be the next movie villain.


The shorts
 
2012-12-31 09:25:53 AM  

phattybeefpatty: I always wanted to write a comic of What If Superman Was Born to a Broken Home in Detroit? Feeling unloved, unwanted, filled with spite and ultimately a dick. It would be comedy and nothing more. But it does offer up perspective on what the essence of Superman is. He represents what we should all aspire to become in terms of morality


That's basically the comic Irredeemable. The Plutonian TRIES to be a good guy, but then the stress of it all causes him to eventually snap and lash out at the entire world, with a huge body count as a result.
 
2012-12-31 11:45:16 AM  

Mad_Radhu: phattybeefpatty: I always wanted to write a comic of What If Superman Was Born to a Broken Home in Detroit? Feeling unloved, unwanted, filled with spite and ultimately a dick. It would be comedy and nothing more. But it does offer up perspective on what the essence of Superman is. He represents what we should all aspire to become in terms of morality

That's basically the comic Irredeemable. The Plutonian TRIES to be a good guy, but then the stress of it all causes him to eventually snap and lash out at the entire world, with a huge body count as a result.


It was also the movie Hancock, if they didn't forget the premise partway through and decide to make it about drilling some guy's wife
 
2012-12-31 12:41:21 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Wish they would just make a live action Dark Night Returns already. Only convincing foe for Superman that I've ever seen. John Hamm can finally play Superman. Not sure about Bruce though. Can't imagine someone who looks both like a grizzled crime fighter and a rich playboy. Mickey Rourke could be a convincing Batman, but a horrible Bruce Wayne.


Bruce Campbell!
 
2012-12-31 01:27:28 PM  

Jizz Master Zero: I'm sick to shiat of Wolverine and Deadpool and their like, and this idea that it's only got ethos or pathos if it's grimdark. I reread this...

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...over Christmas. It was an amazing reminder of why Superman's always been my hero.

I'm glad that someone mentioned Superman vs. The Elite. Awesome movie. The animated DC movies have knocked it out of the park for the most part. Also check out the adaptation of All-Star Superman. A couple of the greatest Superman films made right there.


Agreed, the animated DCU and Alex Ross' works (Kingdom Come, esp.) shows why Superman will always be the odd man; just because he wants to make the world a better place doesn't mean the world will let him, and for him to force it is to embrace fascism.

One of my favorite reboots of the franchise in the 90s implied that Superman can see an aura around living beings, and it causes him emotional and physical pain to see someone die. Hence his absolute reluctance throughout many evolutions of the character that he does not kill. When he does, and then only as an accidental result of self defense (Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened To The Man of Tomorrow?", where Supes tries to stop an insane Mr. Myxzptlk with the Phantom Zone projector, which kills him), he immediately punishes himself by removing his powers and going into exile.

This in addition to the earlier posts that he has to constantly be vigilant of the fragility of other beings and things around him, how he has to literally transform into the weak and mild-mannered Clark Kent almost as a check of his power. I'll stop there before rolling into the speech from Kill Bill, but it truly has to be tormenting to live in a world that you could destroy at a mere thought. To paraphrase the line from Superman/Batman, "he shoots fire from the skies, and it is difficult not to think of him as a god. And how fortunate we all are that it does not occur to him."

The DCAU and further animated movies of Superman to me justify all we need for the character. There are action scenes that they can get away with that seem garish or ridiculously fake in live-action. I have no idea how this new movie will be, if they try to start new with the origin story or keep rehashing the Donnerverse origin, which was in essence the homage of Superman Returns. I do find him to be a compelling character, albeit one which makes for poor drama.
 
2012-12-31 11:18:05 PM  
I'm calling it right now: Man of Steel will be better than Batman Begins.
 
2013-01-01 09:22:18 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Lord Binky: Then let's consider how the hell he juggles his professional life with his superhero life. A guy still has to sleep, right? How does he choose to socialize with Lois and Jimmy instead of searching for crimes to stop? Come to think of it, Supes could take a page out of the show Dexter to show how much thought must be put into that. Being Superman is not as easy as it's been made to look. A Superman movie needs to dwell on those things because that's the kind of stuff real people would have to think about every day if they wanted to be like him. We need to stop watching Superman and need to start being put in his boots.

Astro City #1 had a great story that followed a day in the life of their Superman analog The Samaritan, who wound up being near burnout because he was constantly running around trying to save everyone all the time. He simply had no time to have a real life, and he just couldn't let a single person come to harm if he could help it. At the end, you really wound up feeling sorry for him because his powers and abilities trapped him in a very real way.


Irredeemable. The Plutonian gets tired of being expected to devote his life to saving humanity and goes nuts. And nobody can do a damn thing about it.

The Boys. Keeping capes in line, one beating-to-death at a time.
 
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