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(Salon)   "We remember the killers' names, but not the names of the victims. We know the gory details. Media bloodlust is killing us as a society"   (salon.com) divider line 38
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2012-12-29 01:13:54 PM
23 votes:
as a society, we're more than a bit confused.  we hate/fear intelligence and education.  our religious beliefs are...well, 'misinformed' would be the polite way of putting it.  we love violence, but think sex is dirty.  we treat our politics like sports, and our sports like a religious cult.  we fear government control, yet cheer corporations when they pull crap that'd terrify George Orwell.  we want to make sure everyone is well armed, but are so afraid of terrorist attacks that we gate rape people before letting them get on a plane.

I could go on, but you get the point.  we're not consistent in what it is we say we value as a society.  what DOES America stand for these days?  Truth?  not after the lies Romney told during this last election cycle.  Justice?  can any country that created/funded and runs secret CIA torture prisons be considered 'just'?  I think not.  'The american way'?  what does that even mean anymore?  sometimes I wonder just how much longer we can last.  we're turning inwards, becoming more self absorbed.  less concerned with knowledge, wisdom and freedom.  we're more concerned with control, greed and lust.  I think we are our own worst enemies.
2012-12-29 02:30:35 PM
8 votes:
"We remember the killers' names, but not the names of the victims. We know the gory details. Media bloodlust is killing us as a society"

This is an idiotic point for several reasons.

1) In mass shootings, there are multiple victims, but only one killer.

2) The identities of the shooters are important, newsworthy public information. Except in general terms, the identities of the victims are not. This is not because of any moral judgment positive or negative of either the shooters or the victims. It is simply because the shooter did something newsworthy, while the victims really did not.

3) Publicizing the identities of the shooters involves fewer privacy issues for victims and families than publicizing the identities of the victims. I feel for the families of the shooters, I really do. But there is no question that the newsworthiness of the shooters' identities outweighs their privacy concerns. For the victims, this is less clear.

I mean, why do we remember Hitler's name, but not the names of his millions of innocent victims? Historians' blood lust is killing our world, because there is clearly causation between mass homicidal tyranny and what gets written about in the history books.

That argument is only marginally dumber than the the argument offered in the headline.
2012-12-29 02:30:01 PM
8 votes:
The killer has one name, the victims 27. It's a lot easier to remember one name than 27. Just sayin'.

On a serious note, I don't think the media is the problem. They're just reporting what we want to see/hear. The problem is us, not the media.
2012-12-29 02:34:21 PM
5 votes:
Of course they are vultures. They wait for a horrible tragedy, such as the last school shooting where 20 kids were killed, and then they swoop down and shove microphones in the suffering peoples faces to catch all the drama to up their ratings. It's all about ratings folks. The more blood, bodies, horror, they can show "while telling you not to watch if you're squeamish, guaranteeing that you WILL watch" the higher the ratings, the more advertisers are willing to pay to put their shiat up on commercials. I remember questions were beyond inhuman being asked of the people at the last shooting, and of the coroner.

How many times was each child shot?
Were they executed?
Did they suffer, or did they die right away?
What were they wearing?
Could you tell if they were cowering in the corner in terror while the gunman killed them?
How many shots did they take before they died?
How long did they lay there before they died?
Did they look upset?
(yes, someone actually asked those) to the coroner.

And to the random kid that was lucky enough to be in another classroom, they were caught by reporters while being walked from the school with their parents.

"Aw... Timmy, were you scared? What did you hear? Did you hear screaming? How many shots did you hear? Was your teacher upset? Did you cry? Are you scared to go back to school?

Then they would act like they had empathy, and puke up some bullshiat to make it look like they were actually human and had some morality and sense of right and wrong, once they got all they could out of the poor traumatized child. Then they would move on to the next. Not to mention, calling the parents of the dead children ON THE SAME DAY and firing questions and hoping for a good soggy sound bite to air, thus boosting their ratings again. So yes, the media are vultures, and they prey on tragedy and pain, and use the victims as tools to up their ratings, and thus their cash. They make me want to vomit. There were a few reporters who had class, and just REPORTED what happened, without ass farking the survivors for their tasty money making sound bites and clips, but in general, yes, they are assholes.
2012-12-29 02:24:14 PM
5 votes:
If this is true, why has violence been going down in America steadily over the last 20 years?
2012-12-29 02:40:16 PM
4 votes:
panem et circenses.

Seriously.

If you are not familiar with the expression; it means bread and circuses; or in this case, it means bead and games.

The phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman satirist and poet Juvenal.

Basically; the roman senate/emperors would provide food and gladiator matches to keep the people from realizing how royally they were getting screwed.

Instead of gladiators and crusty bread; we get fast food and 24 hour news. While we argue about whatever is having its 15 minutes; politicians and special interest groups are robbing us blind.

Both sides are responsible.

/ I know, I know; you know of some mitigating factor for your side. I ask you, is it really a mitigating factor if it isn't 100% likely to get us out of our present circumstances? I know, I know; the other side is worse. They have been saying that about those bastards for years.
2012-12-29 02:26:35 PM
4 votes:
This is why IMHO that we shouldn't be allowing criminals to get publicity. instead of knowing their names the Media should just report them as the crimes they are charged with "Mass murderer 1.. 2... 3" and all the information would be available online or with Freedom of information requests.
2012-12-29 02:23:42 PM
4 votes:
Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes
2012-12-29 05:24:20 PM
3 votes:

had98c: The killer has one name, the victims 27. It's a lot easier to remember one name than 27. Just sayin'.

On a serious note, I don't think the media is the problem. They're just reporting what we want to see/hear. The problem is us, not the media.


It's both. The media says "Killer John Doe slays 27!" We the audience says "Oh, I wonder what else they know about Killer John Doe?" So the media obligingly tells us more about Killer John Doe. Since there's no immediate way to let the news director know we'd like to know something else--and we're watching the news about Killer John Doe--they assume we want to know more. And we do, because it is interesting.

If the media said "27 people slain! Here are their stories!" we the audience would say "Oh, how terrible, I wonder what else they know about the 27 victims" and we'd watch, and the media would tell us. It's just that over the years, news stories have gone with shorter stories (and one story about a killer is quicker than 27 about victims), the immediately newsworthy stories (stories about deadly killers need to be disseminated more than those about lawabiding victims), and the bizarre and unusual (rare killers are more interesting than normal citizens).

But media and audience feed each other. You can't blame the media alone for shoving awful images in people's unwilling faces OR blame people for demanding constant gore and the media for helplessly giving it to them. It's built up over a long period of time, and very gradually. When I was a wee lass, live news reports wouldn't even show covered bodies in the aftermath of traffic deaths or police shootings--now we routinely see people killing themselves post-car-chase LIVE ON CHANNEL 5! But it didn't happen all at once and nobody demanded to see it, nobody was calling in to Chanel 5 saying, Hey, we don't like that you cut away right before the perp gets shot down by the cops. If there's a problem it's that they showed it, and everybody didn't complain about it.
2012-12-29 03:47:23 PM
3 votes:
Well, duh. We also idolize people who throw a ball back and forth, calling them, "heroes." We give them free scholarships to schools that real scholars could only dream of getting into. Because they can play with balls, but can't even write a coherent sentence. We glorify chicks who sing songs that were written for them, simply because they are attractive and can dance simultaneously with a troop of other dancers. But these performers don't even know how to play one instrument nor read one note. Media humps murderers because people love to watch gore and then sob into their posts on Facebook that it's a terrible tragedy because, somehow, that will make them a better person for caring about it publicly on their chosen blog. Of course there is everything wrong with society.
2012-12-29 02:52:02 PM
3 votes:
First, the victims were killed because of where they were. As awful as it sounds, there's very little to be learned from learning about the victims and their lives.

Second, shut up about "society" everyone. You have never ever been less likely to die violently than you are today.
2012-12-29 02:32:20 PM
3 votes:
We also tend to focus a bit too much on the weapon of choice while conveniently ignoring what might have driven the killer to that point.

Can we start talking about mental health yet?
2012-12-29 02:25:05 PM
3 votes:
I make my living off the Evening News
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry
2012-12-29 01:46:31 PM
3 votes:
Oh look, a member of the media just discovered that the media are vultures.  Welcome to 1775.
2012-12-29 07:00:27 PM
2 votes:

RanDomino: 2011-10-31: Tariq Aziz, 16, Pakistani
2011-10-31: Waheed, ?, Pakistani
2012-08-21: Osama Haqqani, 13, Pakistani
2012-09-02: Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari, 13, Yemeni
2012-09-02: Daolah Nasser, 10, Yemeni
2012-09-02: AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout, 12, Yemeni


Union Carbide -- 2259 dead, 500,000 injured, Bhopal
BP Exploration -- 4 dead, Gulf of Mexico
BP Exploration -- 15 dead, Texas City
Massey Energy --29 dead, Montcoal, WV...
2012-12-29 04:47:14 PM
2 votes:
...and I think it's hilarious that Weaver95 writes several long posts with multiple issues confronting our society, and the righties focus on only one single point and basically scream "DEMOCRATS LIE TOO!!!1"
2012-12-29 04:22:20 PM
2 votes:
It doesn't boil down to guns, media, fame, or anything like that. It all comes down to HEALTH CARE.

We have people who are sick. Sick in the head, sick in the body, and as a result they're sick in the soul... And we just let them wander around continuing to be sick if they can't afford health care. We don't make taking care of each other a priority. We hear chants of "I'm not paying for your health care!" followed by chants of "Why did this crazy man kill my children?"

Gee, what a mystery.

It's pretty simple, people. If you leave people to be sick because they can't afford to pay for health care (and WHY can't they pay for health care? Because they're sick!) then you and every other member of this twisted society can just suck a wet fart when these same sick people walk into a mall and start shooting. If you fight against universal health care or socialized medicine, then YOU are the reason this sort of shiat happens. You have no excuse. You decided you were okay with your neighbors, coworkers, and members of your community having limited or no access to health care despite paying taxes on income, purchases, and everything else under the sun. You decided that since some people make less money than you, that you would be taking on an "unfair share" of the health care coverage under a universal health care system, and so you fought against it mostly out of SPITE for those less fortunate than you... You screamed "NOT WITH MY MONEY!" and then your mall, school, or movie theater got shot up and you wondered where all these sick people came from.

You stupid assholes. You know damn well where they came from, and you know why they were on the streets instead of in a hospital. It's because THEY couldn't pay for their health care, and because you made it DAMNED WELL CLEAR that you wouldn't like your tax dollars to pay for it, either.

So you reap what you so, you greedy f♥cks. You wanted a "fend for yourself" society, and you got it. Enjoy it, you selfish pricks. This is Ayn Rand's wet dream in action.
2012-12-29 03:30:35 PM
2 votes:
I find it mind blowing that this country considers affordable medical care to be 'tyrannical' government control while at the same time making sure that powerful weapons are easily and readily available to even mentally ill individuals.  all you need is the cash, and you can get hold of a surprising amount of weaponry in a relatively short period of time.  But mental health screening and/or treatment?  THAT'S socialisms!  making sure crazy people don't get treated is 'government oppression'.

then along comes the press to film the carnage for posterity.  the rest of the world must think we're all insane or something.
2012-12-29 03:24:23 PM
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95:   what DOES America stand for these days?  Truth?  not after the lies Romney told during this last election cycle.  Justice?  can any country that created/funded and runs secret CIA torture prisons be considered 'just'?  I think not.

you whine about Romney's campaign lies but say nothing about 0bama's campaign lies.
then you whine about CIA torture prisons but you say nothing about 0bama killing US Citizens without benefit of trial via drones, much less how he runs the Justice Department or Homeland security.

So what DOES your America stand for these days?  Based on your post, it stands for partisan hackery.


I tend to come down harder on the GOP because of their claims of moral superiority.  they're supposedly the party of personal responsibility and family values...but I see NOTHING in that party except for greed, lust and hypocrisy.  if you are going to claim to be the party of jesus and you pervert christian values in order to gain worldly power...you damn well better get used to being mocked and hated for it.  Occupy Wall Street has done more to follow the teaching of Jesus Christ than the ENTIRE leadership roster of the Republican party...and OWS is secular, humanist and partly comprised of hipster atheist jerks.

so yeah, I put a lot of blame on the GOP for destroying the 'American way of life'.  they pervert religion to get elected and use fear to keep voters in line.  they exploit situations for personal and corporate advantage, and seem hell bent on destroying what little is left of a rapidly shrinking middle class.  now i'm sure you want to change the subject and talk about the flaws of the Democratic party (of which there are many) but...and I say this with the greatest of respect - STFU and pay attention.  I'm talking about the REPUBLICAN party.  i'm talking about the flaws, weaknesses and practices of the Republicans.  lets stay focused on them for a moment.  CAN you stay focused on what's wrong with the GOP?  Because I've gotta tell ya - when I stopped and really thought about what the Republicans actually stood for...that was the moment I realized I wasn't actually a Republican anymore.  there is something deeply flawed on the Republican side of the aisle.  If the GOP doesn't confront those flaws, if they don't wake the hell up and fix their problems....then they're going to be run over by history.  they'll fail, fall apart, scattered to the winds forever.

pay attention now, because this is the important part - fix...your gotdamn....party.  admit you've got problems, admit you've become too radical for the majority of voters in this nation and move back to the center.  do it, or the voters in this country are going to force you to pay a very heavy price.  if you can't admit the Republicans are wrong on almost every issue and challenge we face today...then I have no sympathy for you, or for the Republican party as a whole.
2012-12-29 02:39:19 PM
2 votes:

kkinnison: This is why IMHO that we shouldn't be allowing criminals to get publicity. instead of knowing their names the Media should just report them as the crimes they are charged with "Mass murderer 1.. 2... 3" and all the information would be available online or with Freedom of information requests.


Agreed -- I know that the local media at least make a policy of not reporting bridge jumpers, because they've found that such suicides being reported makes more of them happen (the copycat-suicide effect is mentioned in the article as well). Couldn't something similar be applied to these stories? I don't mean not reporting them altogether, but keeping the killer's name or any kind of "let's explore his motives to the point of interviewing the guy who cut his hair when he was 5" type of "coverage" under wraps. If people want posthumous fame, make sure that's what they absolutely won't get -- not even negative fame deriving from mockery, just no description whatsoever, kind of like how the Romans used to destroy busts and writings about people who had been condemned, so they would be completely forgotten. You'll never get rid of mass killings altogether, obviously, but this particular kind might be dampened considerably if we stopped making each one into a circus with the killer as the (usually posthumous) star.
2012-12-30 03:02:28 AM
1 votes:

mbillips: 2. No, mass shootings are not a major health threat. They freak people out, but the odds of dying in a mass shooting are about the same as the odds of being killed by a beesting.


Yep.

People are finally starting to come around to the idea that kids are rarely ever kidnapped by strangers despite that type of kidnapping being severely overrepresented in the media.
Hundreds, maybe thousands of kids are kidnapped each year, but by relatives in custody disputes and other assorted crap. We hear a few of them, but are bombarded by stories about the couple dozen who are kidnapped by strangers. Usually the overall kidnapping stats are usually tossed out in a such a way to mislead people into thinking that thousands of kids are kidnapped by strangers when in reality the kids are more likely to die or be injured by nearly anything else.

Hundreds of kids under the age of 7 died this year from abuse, yet no one runs wall-to-wall coverage of it.
We get stats on firearm homicides as a while (something like 10,000 each year) in discussions about "assault weapon" bans despite the fact that the targeted scary firearms (primarily semi-auto rifles) are only one type of rifle, and all rifles together are around 3-3.5% of firearm homicide and around 1-1.5% of all homicides, so we're using large scary numbers to justify bans on things used in a fraction of a fraction of killings.

Mass killings are exceptionally rare. Maybe 200 people killed across the country all year?. Out of the 26,000 pople killed each year, it's not even whole number percentages (~0.7%). Each one is sad, but no sadder than the other 25,800.
2012-12-30 12:08:22 AM
1 votes:
1. Yes, media overcoverage of mass shootings DOES lead to more mass shootings. Virtually every school/mall shooter was obsessed with Columbine, et. al.
2. No, mass shootings are not a major health threat. They freak people out, but the odds of dying in a mass shooting are about the same as the odds of being killed by a beesting.
2012-12-30 12:02:46 AM
1 votes:

Mentat: Oh look, a member of the media just discovered that the media are vultures.  Welcome to 1775.


The media are vultures?

The media provides a service, hopefully for a profit. To make a profit, they produce what sells, within legal limits. On a high level, Warner Brothers, CBS, Time, etc. operate no differently than GE or Ford.

Every time a professional sport like NFL attempts to make the sport safer, people get on websites like Fark and complain about the "pussification of America". When doctors talk about the dangers of head trauma in sports, people wail and moan that the doctors are going to make sports "boring". When NASCAR has a relatively problem-free race, ratings drop. When Hollywood releases summer movies, the movies that are "blockbusters" are the action movies, not the comedies and romances. Cable companies show boxing matches as pay-per-view because they know people will pay to view it. CBS brought Ultimate Fighting to broadcast TV because it was damned popular. And look at some of the most popular TV shows on the airwaves here in the US: Game of Thrones. Dexter. The older folks watch a whole slew of CSI shows, and Criminal Minds. They're all violent.

Why does the media do it?

Because it sells.

Why is mass media supposedly bloodthirsty?

They aren't. They're just selling a good. You're bloodthirsty, America.
2012-12-29 10:00:58 PM
1 votes:
That is why I am making sure that I remember the name "Victoria Soto." She hid her kids in closets and cabinets, and stood between them and Psycho Emo Philips.
2012-12-29 05:59:07 PM
1 votes:
2009-01-23: Azaz-ur-Rehman, 14, Pakistani
2009-02-14: Noor Syed, 8, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Ibad Ullah, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Mohammad Arif, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Abdul Qadeer, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Hazrat Ali, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Syed Wali Shah, 7, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Naeemullah,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Faizullah,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Rahima,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Shaista,?, Pakistani
2009-11-20: Sakeenullah, 15, Pakistani
2009-12-31: Zaenullah Khan, 17, Pakistani
2009-12-17: Nasser Mohammed Nasser, 6, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Arwa Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Fatima Mohammed Nasser, 2, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 7, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 5, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 3, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye, 1, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye, 6, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye, 15, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh, 3, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 2, Yemeni
2010-01-03: Wajid Noor, 9, Pakistani
2010-01-08: Ayeesha, 3, Pakistani
2010-02-24: Naila, 10, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Fatima, ?, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Nisar, ?, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Naeem Khan, ?, Pakistani
2010-10-18: Naeem Ullah, 10, Pakistani
2011-06-15: Shahzada, ?, Pakistani
2011-10-14: Abdel-Rahman Anwar al-Awlaki, 16, American
2011-10-14: Ahmed Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki, 17, Yemeni
2011-10-31: Tariq Aziz, 16, Pakistani
2011-10-31: Waheed, ?, Pakistani
2012-08-21: Osama Haqqani, 13, Pakistani
2012-09-02: Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari, 13, Yemeni
2012-09-02: Daolah Nasser, 10, Yemeni
2012-09-02: AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout, 12, Yemeni
2012-12-29 04:43:30 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: as a society, we're more than a bit confused.  we hate/fear intelligence and education.  our religious beliefs are...well, 'misinformed' would be the polite way of putting it.  we love violence, but think sex is dirty.  we treat our politics like sports, and our sports like a religious cult.  we fear government control, yet cheer corporations when they pull crap that'd terrify George Orwell.  we want to make sure everyone is well armed, but are so afraid of terrorist attacks that we gate rape people before letting them get on a plane.

I could go on, but you get the point.  we're not consistent in what it is we say we value as a society.  what DOES America stand for these days?  Truth?  not after the lies Romney told during this last election cycle.  Justice?  can any country that created/funded and runs secret CIA torture prisons be considered 'just'?  I think not.  'The american way'?  what does that even mean anymore?  sometimes I wonder just how much longer we can last.  we're turning inwards, becoming more self absorbed.  less concerned with knowledge, wisdom and freedom.  we're more concerned with control, greed and lust.  I think we are our own worst enemies.


You are either very young or just plain hate where you are living. Ignoring that obvious partisan slant as it is not like Democrats/Obama never lied (remember transparency or Green jobs for example). But you act like all this stuff is something new. Media has had a blood lust since there has been a media and it is not just in the US spend sometime overseas. Look at history some of the most written about people have been the most bloodthirsty. How many books ate there about Hitler or Stalin vs. Mother Teresa or Florence Nightingale. Who remembers the names of the victims of Jack the Ripper or John Dillinger?

Sports is the same way not just in America look at soccer thugs,. Even Cricket among those Nations that follow it rabidly India and Pakistan for example, can turn violent.

Distrust intelligence and education? I think the problem is the linking of the two. A person can be educated but not intelligent for example Ward Churchill, Peter Singer or Anthea Butler. The distrust lies in who we are calling educated and intelligent not in the characteristics themselves.

You do not like what the CIA did? Again look at your history. Was it a just nation that sent Japanese Americans to internment camps or prosecuted people under the Espionage act of 1917 for political views?

I find it a contradiction to claim to be interested in freedom while willing increasing your dependency on government by demanding it give you more free stuff and taking over doing things you should doing for yourself.

Of course we are more worried about government infringements on freedom than corporate excesses. Corporations are far easier to sue than government and it is government that can provide a shield for corporate excesses no the other way around . Throughout history government has been a far greater threat to individual liberty than any corporation It isn't xyz corporation oppressing the people of North Korea nor was it oppressing people behind the iron curtain during the cold war-government is/was.

Governments and people make mistakes we accept that. No nation as a squeaky clean history, not even Switzerland. What we hope for it that they don't keep making them. Countries should be viewed as works in progress. Some times some of the work completed needs to be remodeled.
If you want to get depressed about American get depressed about the voters on both sides.

How can obviously corrupt politicians such a Charley Rangel , John McCain (Keating Five), Ted Stevens (to be bipartisan) or John Murtha (Abscam) continuely be re-elected. In the most recent election the people of Michigan re-elected Jesse Jackson Jr, despite him being in a mental hospital and under Federal investigation. The people of Detroit elected a man to the State legislature with 8 felony convictions, It would seem there is no law against a convicted felony from holding office in the state legislature.

Why do we openly accept and live with the corruption in places like Chicago, The Texas Rio Grande Valley, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Louisana and New Jersey? These are things to get depressed about
2012-12-29 04:35:53 PM
1 votes:

kkinnison: This is why IMHO that we shouldn't be allowing criminals to get publicity. instead of knowing their names the Media should just report them as the crimes they are charged with "Mass murderer 1.. 2... 3" and all the information would be available online or with Freedom of information requests.


^ this.

Just hours before the attack on the children at Sandy Hook Elementary, there was an attack on children at an elementary school in the Henin province in China. While reading reports of both of these attacks on young children, I couldn't help but notice one huge discrepancy in the reports from each country. Here in the US,our reporters focused on the attacker's name, history of mental illness, relationship status, what he ate for breakfast, etc. etc. etc. In the incident in China, however, the majority of news articles didn't even list the attacker's name. I think that here in the US, reporting every single detail we can dig up on a mass murderer leads to infamy and a sort of celebrity-like status. Certain disturbed individuals may see the notoriety a mass-murderer garners and seek to replicate the actions in order to be remembered, at least in death. In China, withholding the names of attackers such as prevents them from receiving celebrity status, and hence there is less motivation for copycat attacks.
2012-12-29 04:00:48 PM
1 votes:
It's not just "outlaws" and "bad guys" we remember, and its not the mere fact that they're "bad" that draws our attention. We gravitate towards anything that seems personally incredible or unfathomable.

There is really very little difference between our fascination with criminals and our fascination with athletes, actors, musicians, scientists, inventors, politicians, etc. We marvel because in most cases they have done or are doing something we either can't do ourselves or would never have thought of doing on our own.

And yes, this also means that occasionally we are so inspired by what we've previously considered unthinkable or undoable that we attempt to emulate -- even improve upon -- what we've witnessed. Such is the magic of inspiration. We may like to believe its only used for good but occasionally it's used for bad. Either way, we are never NOT going to be fascinated with what falls outside our own sense of normal and personal capability.

Now then, build an action plan around that.
2012-12-29 03:34:02 PM
1 votes:

Mikeyworld: had98c: The killer has one name, the victims 27. It's a lot easier to remember one name than 27. Just sayin'.

On a serious note, I don't think the media is the problem. They're just reporting what we want to see/hear. The problem is us, not the media.

Why do we remember Billy the Kid? The James Gang? lucky Luciano? Because we glorify the scalawags. Bad Boys always get the girls, including the pussified press. We'll always remember the outlaws


But we also remember Marshall Dillon and Wyatt Earp.
2012-12-29 03:00:55 PM
1 votes:

Ed Willy: Semi-automatic high capacity guns useful for a killing spree are indubitably a new phenomenon


Pretty sure people were being shot to death by semi-automatic magazine fed weapons a century ago.
2012-12-29 02:55:49 PM
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steamingpile: Nu uh, its all evil gun manufacturers fault! They should all be sued to oblivion so as to not spread their evil to everyone!


They really should be, but they wisely paid for indulgences and their employees in our federal government granted them special dispensation.
2012-12-29 02:54:48 PM
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This doom and gloom view of the decline of society comes from young folks with no sense of history. The phenomenon here is nothing new. Name some of Jack the Ripper's victims. Who did Lizzy Borden kill? Our brains are action oriented so we tend to identify the event by the active element rather than the passive.
2012-12-29 02:52:58 PM
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letrole: 4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,


I would word these two points a bit differently, but I think that they illustrate the real problem with our society. An increasing number of people no longer feel ashamed for doing things that are illegal or at least clearly unethical as long as they feel they can get away with it. They feel that pretty much any position they take or anything they choose to do is defensible. Bad behavior has always been around, and it always will be. But the problem is that it's accepted or even encouraged by growing segments of our population. We're in a race to the bottom.
2012-12-29 02:48:36 PM
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The media one two things.

1) The vast majority of people want to know about the killer.

Is a bloodlust? Or maybe it's a survival instinct. While our high-minded selves are saying think of the victim, part of our minds are rightly asking the questions about the killer. Because we want to be able to identify the threats. How do you tell when the next one is coming and how do we stop it?

2) The vast number of people want to feel morally superior to the media, and will watch a lot of media to make themselves feell superior

Let's be honest, there are a lot of us here who only click links like this to feel better about ourselves. By sharing this story we feel like we're doing something for the dead children by honoring their memory. We breach on about how the media coverage makes these killers, with less evidence to back that up as the old fart Senators blaming video games and the old fart liberals blaming guns.
2012-12-29 02:47:17 PM
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The media farking disgusts me. They abuse tragedy so mundane people can masturbate to the drama and feel excitement in their lives. Its farking pathetic.

/Why yes, I am better than you
2012-12-29 02:42:03 PM
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If we're going to blame "the media" for influencing crazy people and giving them ideas, then I guess we also have to blame TV and video games for the same thing. Right? Since they both glorify violence.

Or we could say that crazy people do crazy things, and are influenced by all kinds of things, some of which make no sense.

Weaver95: we're turning inwards, becoming more self absorbed. less concerned with knowledge, wisdom and freedom. we're more concerned with control, greed and lust. I think we are our own worst enemies.


Thank you Weaver. I have a whole treatise worked out about how consumerism has destroyed us and made everyone concerned with nothing but money, and themselves (because we're worth it). I don't give a fark what anyone says, I think the consumer society is one of the greatest evils, and the biggest mind control experiment ever unleashed on society. We have bought into it completely, and we are paying big-time for it.
2012-12-29 02:33:32 PM
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mittromneysdog:

That argument is only marginally dumber than the the argument offered in the headline.


And yet treating it as a valid discussion point will divert attention from a functional solution just that little bit longer.

You know who has cold, dead hands? Heaps of children.
2012-12-29 02:22:37 PM
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They got obama elected, so who cares? Let them have their sick perversions, as long as the important things are getting done.
 
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