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(Salon)   "We remember the killers' names, but not the names of the victims. We know the gory details. Media bloodlust is killing us as a society"   (salon.com) divider line 182
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2012-12-29 04:16:16 PM

letrole: Yes. And there used to be only 48 states. Then they added Alaska and Hawaii. And before aeroplanes were invented, the FAA didn't exist. You go ahead and let those random thoughts continue to bounce around inside your skull. But don't come back until something relevant pops out.


Relevant

Now quit trolling
 
2012-12-29 04:22:20 PM
It doesn't boil down to guns, media, fame, or anything like that. It all comes down to HEALTH CARE.

We have people who are sick. Sick in the head, sick in the body, and as a result they're sick in the soul... And we just let them wander around continuing to be sick if they can't afford health care. We don't make taking care of each other a priority. We hear chants of "I'm not paying for your health care!" followed by chants of "Why did this crazy man kill my children?"

Gee, what a mystery.

It's pretty simple, people. If you leave people to be sick because they can't afford to pay for health care (and WHY can't they pay for health care? Because they're sick!) then you and every other member of this twisted society can just suck a wet fart when these same sick people walk into a mall and start shooting. If you fight against universal health care or socialized medicine, then YOU are the reason this sort of shiat happens. You have no excuse. You decided you were okay with your neighbors, coworkers, and members of your community having limited or no access to health care despite paying taxes on income, purchases, and everything else under the sun. You decided that since some people make less money than you, that you would be taking on an "unfair share" of the health care coverage under a universal health care system, and so you fought against it mostly out of SPITE for those less fortunate than you... You screamed "NOT WITH MY MONEY!" and then your mall, school, or movie theater got shot up and you wondered where all these sick people came from.

You stupid assholes. You know damn well where they came from, and you know why they were on the streets instead of in a hospital. It's because THEY couldn't pay for their health care, and because you made it DAMNED WELL CLEAR that you wouldn't like your tax dollars to pay for it, either.

So you reap what you so, you greedy f♥cks. You wanted a "fend for yourself" society, and you got it. Enjoy it, you selfish pricks. This is Ayn Rand's wet dream in action.
 
2012-12-29 04:23:16 PM

GORDON: They got obama elected, so who cares? Let them have their sick perversions, as long as the important things are getting done.


LOL
They the voters?
They fox news? (strangely enough, fox news is PART of the media, and by failing to report the news accurately, they provided the GOP with false information (lies) about how Rmoney was doing and led to Rmoney losing.
They, those evil mainstream media??

LOL
 
2012-12-29 04:23:26 PM

TheLopper: Zombie DJ: I remember Hitlers name but, gun to my head, couldn't tell you 5 people he killed.

Helen Keller, Amelia Eirhart, the Lindbergh baby, Lou Gehrig, and one of the Wayans brothers.


Eva Braun, too!
 
2012-12-29 04:24:22 PM
The media is just a reflection of society. If people switched channels and stopped watching they would change. But deep down people are morbid.
 
2012-12-29 04:24:41 PM
Dammit... Of course, I meant You reap what you sew, not "so". Minor typo there.

Although, if you think about it, "You reap what you so" does kind of work in that context.
 
2012-12-29 04:25:16 PM
ARGH!!!!

Sow
Sow Sow
SOW SOW SOW

It's been a long day.
 
2012-12-29 04:27:48 PM
The ACLU is the group most directly responsible for the increase in mass murders. They made the standards of proof so difficult for locking these bastards up that now they're free to roam around until they murder dozens of strangers. It usually happens when schizophrenics first come out in their early 20s or late teens like Columbine or the Batman guy or the campus guy or the elementary school guy. One of the Columbine kids was on meds and the Korean was in therapy. Elementary guy was obviously not functional and in retrospect all of them should have been in locked wards getting mandatory meds.
 
2012-12-29 04:29:48 PM
Media bloodlust is killing us as a society

But it helps corporations sell things. So it's a good thing, right?
 
2012-12-29 04:30:11 PM

OscarTamerz: The ACLU is the group most directly responsible for the increase in mass murders. They made the standards of proof so difficult for locking these bastards up that now they're free to roam around until they murder dozens of strangers. It usually happens when schizophrenics first come out in their early 20s or late teens like Columbine or the Batman guy or the campus guy or the elementary school guy. One of the Columbine kids was on meds and the Korean was in therapy. Elementary guy was obviously not functional and in retrospect all of them should have been in locked wards getting mandatory meds.


Yeah locking people up who have committed no crime is certainly the way to go.
 
2012-12-29 04:30:51 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: We also tend to focus a bit too much on the weapon of choice while conveniently ignoring what might have driven the killer to that point.

Can we start talking about mental health yet?


No. Because the people that don't want us talking about guns are generally the same people who've all but canonized the asshole who shut down all the mental hospitals, dumped the crazies out on the streets and left a generation to fester in their own sickened minds because there's no longer anywhere for them to go to get help. So yeah...don't talk about that either. Clearly, this is the result of video games and shunning Gawd.
 
2012-12-29 04:33:58 PM

gibbon1: I don't remember the guy in Colorado's name, or that guy who shot all those school kids.


Alferd Packer was the Colorado guy.
 
2012-12-29 04:34:51 PM

furiousxgeorge: I have no idea what the shooter's name is. I didn't watch the news. I don't know what his victims look like either. It doesn't matter, I have a little cousin going to first grade so I can imagine what her head exploding looks like. I guess I just have to deal with the fact that one day some crazy person might make her head explode because you gun nuts need to masturbate to your guns without restricting semi-auto or having a registration or doing mental health checks. Cum away, American heroes!


The unfortunate thing is that the gun nuts will be the better armed side in Civil War II.
 
2012-12-29 04:35:53 PM

kkinnison: This is why IMHO that we shouldn't be allowing criminals to get publicity. instead of knowing their names the Media should just report them as the crimes they are charged with "Mass murderer 1.. 2... 3" and all the information would be available online or with Freedom of information requests.


^ this.

Just hours before the attack on the children at Sandy Hook Elementary, there was an attack on children at an elementary school in the Henin province in China. While reading reports of both of these attacks on young children, I couldn't help but notice one huge discrepancy in the reports from each country. Here in the US,our reporters focused on the attacker's name, history of mental illness, relationship status, what he ate for breakfast, etc. etc. etc. In the incident in China, however, the majority of news articles didn't even list the attacker's name. I think that here in the US, reporting every single detail we can dig up on a mass murderer leads to infamy and a sort of celebrity-like status. Certain disturbed individuals may see the notoriety a mass-murderer garners and seek to replicate the actions in order to be remembered, at least in death. In China, withholding the names of attackers such as prevents them from receiving celebrity status, and hence there is less motivation for copycat attacks.
 
2012-12-29 04:36:25 PM

Matthew Keene: I'm always rooting for a higher kill score. Twenty-seven was impressive, but we can do better.


I know, I know... welcome to fark

I was reading a story about some student who placed fake turtles in the road and was shocked to see some drivers intentionally hit them instead of avoiding the defensless creature.

Are you one of the 1/50 who would hit the turtle?
 
2012-12-29 04:36:27 PM

Weaver95:
I could go on, but you get the point.  we're not consistent in what it is we say we value as a society.  what DOES America stand for these days?  Truth?  not after the lies Romney told during this last election cycle.  Justice?  can any country that created/funded and runs secret CIA torture prisons be considered 'just'?  I think not.  'The american way'?  what does that even mean anymore?  sometimes I wonder just how much longer we can last.  we're turning inwards, becoming more self absorbed.  less concerned with knowledge, wisdom and freedom.  we're more concerned with control, greed and lust.  I think we are our own worst enemies.


You're going to criticize a politician for lying? As if this is some unique American (and, in your eyes, Republican specific) phenomena. Since your head has obviously been up your ass these past few hundred years, I've got a newsflash for you - Politicians lie in the hopes of getting elected. Once you recognize that absolute truth, maybe you'll start having more rational opinions.
 
2012-12-29 04:39:05 PM

Mentat: Oh look, a member of the media just discovered that the media are vultures.  Welcome to 1775.


What I dont understand is, if you dont LIKE what the media is reporting, TURN IT OFF, dont buy the newspaper. The real problem are the marching morons who blindly accept the "truth" of the media.
Without worshipers, fox news would go out of business.
 
2012-12-29 04:39:42 PM

ZeroCorpse: ARGH!!!!

Sow
Sow Sow
SOW SOW SOW

It's been a long day.


Sure, but you just made my day!!
 
2012-12-29 04:43:30 PM

Weaver95: as a society, we're more than a bit confused.  we hate/fear intelligence and education.  our religious beliefs are...well, 'misinformed' would be the polite way of putting it.  we love violence, but think sex is dirty.  we treat our politics like sports, and our sports like a religious cult.  we fear government control, yet cheer corporations when they pull crap that'd terrify George Orwell.  we want to make sure everyone is well armed, but are so afraid of terrorist attacks that we gate rape people before letting them get on a plane.

I could go on, but you get the point.  we're not consistent in what it is we say we value as a society.  what DOES America stand for these days?  Truth?  not after the lies Romney told during this last election cycle.  Justice?  can any country that created/funded and runs secret CIA torture prisons be considered 'just'?  I think not.  'The american way'?  what does that even mean anymore?  sometimes I wonder just how much longer we can last.  we're turning inwards, becoming more self absorbed.  less concerned with knowledge, wisdom and freedom.  we're more concerned with control, greed and lust.  I think we are our own worst enemies.


You are either very young or just plain hate where you are living. Ignoring that obvious partisan slant as it is not like Democrats/Obama never lied (remember transparency or Green jobs for example). But you act like all this stuff is something new. Media has had a blood lust since there has been a media and it is not just in the US spend sometime overseas. Look at history some of the most written about people have been the most bloodthirsty. How many books ate there about Hitler or Stalin vs. Mother Teresa or Florence Nightingale. Who remembers the names of the victims of Jack the Ripper or John Dillinger?

Sports is the same way not just in America look at soccer thugs,. Even Cricket among those Nations that follow it rabidly India and Pakistan for example, can turn violent.

Distrust intelligence and education? I think the problem is the linking of the two. A person can be educated but not intelligent for example Ward Churchill, Peter Singer or Anthea Butler. The distrust lies in who we are calling educated and intelligent not in the characteristics themselves.

You do not like what the CIA did? Again look at your history. Was it a just nation that sent Japanese Americans to internment camps or prosecuted people under the Espionage act of 1917 for political views?

I find it a contradiction to claim to be interested in freedom while willing increasing your dependency on government by demanding it give you more free stuff and taking over doing things you should doing for yourself.

Of course we are more worried about government infringements on freedom than corporate excesses. Corporations are far easier to sue than government and it is government that can provide a shield for corporate excesses no the other way around . Throughout history government has been a far greater threat to individual liberty than any corporation It isn't xyz corporation oppressing the people of North Korea nor was it oppressing people behind the iron curtain during the cold war-government is/was.

Governments and people make mistakes we accept that. No nation as a squeaky clean history, not even Switzerland. What we hope for it that they don't keep making them. Countries should be viewed as works in progress. Some times some of the work completed needs to be remodeled.
If you want to get depressed about American get depressed about the voters on both sides.

How can obviously corrupt politicians such a Charley Rangel , John McCain (Keating Five), Ted Stevens (to be bipartisan) or John Murtha (Abscam) continuely be re-elected. In the most recent election the people of Michigan re-elected Jesse Jackson Jr, despite him being in a mental hospital and under Federal investigation. The people of Detroit elected a man to the State legislature with 8 felony convictions, It would seem there is no law against a convicted felony from holding office in the state legislature.

Why do we openly accept and live with the corruption in places like Chicago, The Texas Rio Grande Valley, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Louisana and New Jersey? These are things to get depressed about
 
2012-12-29 04:43:34 PM

OscarTamerz: The ACLU is the group most directly responsible for the increase in mass murders.


www.allmotivated.com
 
2012-12-29 04:47:14 PM
...and I think it's hilarious that Weaver95 writes several long posts with multiple issues confronting our society, and the righties focus on only one single point and basically scream "DEMOCRATS LIE TOO!!!1"
 
2012-12-29 04:49:36 PM

xalres: No. Because the people that don't want us talking about guns are generally the same people who've all but canonized the asshole who shut down all the mental hospitals, dumped the crazies out on the streets and left a generation to fester in their own sickened minds because there's no longer anywhere for them to go to get help. So yeah...don't talk about that either. Clearly, this is the result of video games and shunning Gawd.


The Supreme Court?   O'Connor v. Donaldson - 1975
I hate Saint Ronnie as much as the next guy, but this one wasnt his fault.
While it is true that funding was cut during the 80s, even if you had funding, you were not able to lock up the nuts until you could "prove" that they were a danger.

If we had funding today, what changes would we make that would have stopped columbine and all the other school massacres and waco and ruby ridge and Oklahoma and and

but yes, we need to have that conversation NOW, so we have any hope of even pretending to "fix" things
 
2012-12-29 04:53:25 PM

Alonjar: Ed Willy: Semi-automatic high capacity guns useful for a killing spree are indubitably a new phenomenon

Pretty sure people were being shot to death by semi-automatic magazine fed weapons a century ago.


Ah yes, but those weren't psychos, they were organized forces
 
2012-12-29 04:54:46 PM

Alonjar: Alonjar: Ed Willy: Semi-automatic high capacity guns useful for a killing spree are indubitably a new phenomenon

Pretty sure people were being shot to death by semi-automatic magazine fed weapons a century ago.

Oh, and before that, instead of an insane kid at your school, it was some strange dudes who would come to your village and massacre every living creature with blunderbusses.


Yes, but we don't remeber the names of those forces. A madmen back in the day couldn't do a lone mass killing with a blunderbuss. Too inaccurate and took to long to reload.
 
2012-12-29 05:00:59 PM
Eye on the TV
'cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor
It happens to be like;
Killed by the husband
Drowned by the ocean
Shot by his own son
She used the poison in his tea
And kissed him goodbye
That's my kind of story
It's no fun 'til someone dies

Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
You all need it too, don't lie
 
2012-12-29 05:13:07 PM

Weaver95: as a society, we're more than a bit confused.  we hate/fear intelligence and education.  our religious beliefs are...well, 'misinformed' would be the polite way of putting it.  we love violence, but think sex is dirty.  we treat our politics like sports, and our sports like a religious cult.  we fear government control, yet cheer corporations when they pull crap that'd terrify George Orwell.  we want to make sure everyone is well armed, but are so afraid of terrorist attacks that we gate rape people before letting them get on a plane.

I could go on, but you get the point.  we're not consistent in what it is we say we value as a society.  what DOES America stand for these days?  Truth?  not after the lies Romney told during this last election cycle.  Justice?  can any country that created/funded and runs secret CIA torture prisons be considered 'just'?  I think not.  'The american way'?  what does that even mean anymore?  sometimes I wonder just how much longer we can last.  we're turning inwards, becoming more self absorbed.  less concerned with knowledge, wisdom and freedom.  we're more concerned with control, greed and lust.  I think we are our own worst enemies.


Yeah, I miss the good old days when Americans weren't greedy and everyone enjoyed equality. Let's see, when was that again?
 
2012-12-29 05:17:47 PM
Glorifying these guys in the media just encourages copycats.

Don't feed the trolls by giving them fame.

Reporting the news is fine, making it a three-ring circus is counterproductive.
 
2012-12-29 05:24:20 PM

had98c: The killer has one name, the victims 27. It's a lot easier to remember one name than 27. Just sayin'.

On a serious note, I don't think the media is the problem. They're just reporting what we want to see/hear. The problem is us, not the media.


It's both. The media says "Killer John Doe slays 27!" We the audience says "Oh, I wonder what else they know about Killer John Doe?" So the media obligingly tells us more about Killer John Doe. Since there's no immediate way to let the news director know we'd like to know something else--and we're watching the news about Killer John Doe--they assume we want to know more. And we do, because it is interesting.

If the media said "27 people slain! Here are their stories!" we the audience would say "Oh, how terrible, I wonder what else they know about the 27 victims" and we'd watch, and the media would tell us. It's just that over the years, news stories have gone with shorter stories (and one story about a killer is quicker than 27 about victims), the immediately newsworthy stories (stories about deadly killers need to be disseminated more than those about lawabiding victims), and the bizarre and unusual (rare killers are more interesting than normal citizens).

But media and audience feed each other. You can't blame the media alone for shoving awful images in people's unwilling faces OR blame people for demanding constant gore and the media for helplessly giving it to them. It's built up over a long period of time, and very gradually. When I was a wee lass, live news reports wouldn't even show covered bodies in the aftermath of traffic deaths or police shootings--now we routinely see people killing themselves post-car-chase LIVE ON CHANNEL 5! But it didn't happen all at once and nobody demanded to see it, nobody was calling in to Chanel 5 saying, Hey, we don't like that you cut away right before the perp gets shot down by the cops. If there's a problem it's that they showed it, and everybody didn't complain about it.
 
2012-12-29 05:55:09 PM
Gyrfalcon:But media and audience feed each other. You can't blame the media alone for shoving awful images in people's unwilling faces OR blame people for demanding constant gore and the media for helplessly giving it to them. It's built up over a long period of time, and very gradually. When I was a wee lass, live news reports wouldn't even show covered bodies in the aftermath of traffic deaths or police shootings--now we routinely see people killing themselves post-car-chase LIVE ON CHANNEL 5! But it didn't happen all at once and nobody demanded to see it, nobody was calling in to Chanel 5 saying, Hey, we don't like that you cut away right before the perp gets shot down by the cops. If there's a problem it's that they showed it, and everybody didn't complain about it.

Yeah I remember being about 6 and going to visit my grandparents... my grandfather was watching the Detroit news and they were talking about a drive by shooting. The reporter walked over by the snow drift one of the victims had fallen on top of (reporter arrived late, paramedics had already taken the bodies) and there was blood, bits of skull etc all over it. I'd never seen that before. I do remember a lot of stations, as you said, cutting away right before the person shot themselves/got shot by police etc.
 
2012-12-29 05:59:07 PM
2009-01-23: Azaz-ur-Rehman, 14, Pakistani
2009-02-14: Noor Syed, 8, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Ibad Ullah, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Mohammad Arif, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Abdul Qadeer, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Hazrat Ali, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Syed Wali Shah, 7, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Naeemullah,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Faizullah,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Rahima,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Shaista,?, Pakistani
2009-11-20: Sakeenullah, 15, Pakistani
2009-12-31: Zaenullah Khan, 17, Pakistani
2009-12-17: Nasser Mohammed Nasser, 6, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Arwa Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Fatima Mohammed Nasser, 2, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 7, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 5, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 3, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye, 1, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye, 6, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye, 15, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh, 3, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 2, Yemeni
2010-01-03: Wajid Noor, 9, Pakistani
2010-01-08: Ayeesha, 3, Pakistani
2010-02-24: Naila, 10, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Fatima, ?, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Nisar, ?, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Naeem Khan, ?, Pakistani
2010-10-18: Naeem Ullah, 10, Pakistani
2011-06-15: Shahzada, ?, Pakistani
2011-10-14: Abdel-Rahman Anwar al-Awlaki, 16, American
2011-10-14: Ahmed Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki, 17, Yemeni
2011-10-31: Tariq Aziz, 16, Pakistani
2011-10-31: Waheed, ?, Pakistani
2012-08-21: Osama Haqqani, 13, Pakistani
2012-09-02: Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari, 13, Yemeni
2012-09-02: Daolah Nasser, 10, Yemeni
2012-09-02: AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout, 12, Yemeni
 
2012-12-29 06:01:21 PM
Maybe not all of them do it for fame, but they get the idea from the news. The Columbine kids said in their journals they wanted to one up Kip Kinkle and knew movies would be made about them. Cho called them martyrs and sent videos of himself to the news, which was played for days. So some of these psychos definitely do it for fame. The guy in tasmania mentioned the Dunblane massacre and was pleased at his kill count. Anders Brevik is enjoying his fame more-so since he didn't kill himself.
 
2012-12-29 06:08:41 PM
The victims are just average people. It's tragic they died but there is nothing particularly remarkable about them. To society, their individual identities will not be remembered. The killer, obviously, is not an average person. He's done something that most of us will never even contemplate. We don't love him or admire him, but he leaves a mark through his actions.

Not to Godwin but think of Hitler. Very few people would look upon his accomplishments as good but he is one of the most famous, or rather infamous/notorious, persons in all of history.

The fact that we remember a person for something terrible isn't bad IMHO.
 
2012-12-29 06:43:28 PM

mittromneysdog: "We remember the killers' names, but not the names of the victims. We know the gory details. Media bloodlust is killing us as a society"

This is an idiotic point for several reasons.

1) In mass shootings, there are multiple victims, but only one killer.

2) The identities of the shooters are important, newsworthy public information. Except in general terms, the identities of the victims are not. This is not because of any moral judgment positive or negative of either the shooters or the victims. It is simply because the shooter did something newsworthy, while the victims really did not.

3) Publicizing the identities of the shooters involves fewer privacy issues for victims and families than publicizing the identities of the victims. I feel for the families of the shooters, I really do. But there is no question that the newsworthiness of the shooters' identities outweighs their privacy concerns. For the victims, this is less clear.

I mean, why do we remember Hitler's name, but not the names of his millions of innocent victims? Historians' blood lust is killing our world, because there is clearly causation between mass homicidal tyranny and what gets written about in the history books.

That argument is only marginally dumber than the the argument offered in the headline.


I have seen the "we know the name of the killers, but not of the victims" argument quite a few times in the last couple of weeks and it has really irritated me.

The dead didn't ask to be part of a major news story. Some of their families talk to the media, but most prefer to withdraw and mourn in peace. That means it will be harder to get to know them. Plus, we don't actually get an accurate picture of them anyway. No one wants to speak ill of the dead, so they're presented in glowing, glossy terms that make them seem like characters in a tragedy and not real people.

The assailant, on the other hand, we free to talk about the light and dark aspects of his character and get a more complete picture of who he was. So of course it'll be easier to remember his name.

I can actually remember some victim names (Alex Sullivan, Rachel Scott, Rebecca Wingo and Anne Frank.), but not because I'm a more concerned citizen than the next person. It's just because something about them struck a chord with me and their names got stuck in my memory bank.

DRTFA, by the way.
 
2012-12-29 06:56:44 PM
we should ban freedom of the press, and let the government run the news.
they know how to treat sensitive subjects better than anyone not in government.
time for government to remove all these pesky 'rights' people abuse daily...
 
2012-12-29 07:00:27 PM

RanDomino: 2011-10-31: Tariq Aziz, 16, Pakistani
2011-10-31: Waheed, ?, Pakistani
2012-08-21: Osama Haqqani, 13, Pakistani
2012-09-02: Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari, 13, Yemeni
2012-09-02: Daolah Nasser, 10, Yemeni
2012-09-02: AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout, 12, Yemeni


Union Carbide -- 2259 dead, 500,000 injured, Bhopal
BP Exploration -- 4 dead, Gulf of Mexico
BP Exploration -- 15 dead, Texas City
Massey Energy --29 dead, Montcoal, WV...
 
rka
2012-12-29 07:01:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: If the media said "27 people slain! Here are their stories!"


What do you mean if? Haven't we basically gotten a biographical overview of every kid yet? We knew after Columbine which ones were devout Christians and which ones were football players, we knew after the movie theater shootings which ones were just out of the Army or which ones were just divorced.

A day after the Sandy Hook massacre we had this in the Washington Post (first one that came up on google, there are thousands more)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/newtown-school-sh o oting-victims/

Sorry folks, the information is there. If you're railing against the media for not reporting this stuff about the victims then you need to look a bit harder at your own filters because they did. Were you too busy to pay attention? Had to go see The Hobbit that night so you couldn't be bothered to read a bit more? Needed to rush out and buy that last minute piece of junk for a Christmas present so you turned off the TV? Too busy requesting BIE in some TotalFark thread? Mundane shiat piled upon mundane shiat.

But now you've got a few minutes in a Fark thread and you have time to type out a few words and feel superior. Shame on you.
 
2012-12-29 07:18:11 PM
If it bleeds, it leads.
 
2012-12-29 07:19:23 PM

Ed Willy: letrole: HotWingConspiracy: So basically small government conservative gun owners brought this about.

Guns have always been there. Government used to be much smaller. Conservatives resist change to the status quo.

Yet the video-game emulation sort of killing spree is indubitably a new phenomenon.

How about no.

Semi-automatic high capacity guns useful for a killing spree are indubitably a new phenomenon


Only for over a century
 
2012-12-29 07:27:45 PM
Matthew Keene: I still don't know who killed JFK>

Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone from the book depository building
 
2012-12-29 07:41:30 PM
Dying isn't that unusual.
I plan to die myself one day.
 
2012-12-29 07:44:45 PM

God-is-a-Taco: Dying isn't that unusual.
I plan to die myself one day.


Well, that's a stupid plan. Me, I plan to live forever. The odds are against me but maybe I'll get lucky.
 
2012-12-29 08:03:03 PM

Weaver95: as a society, we're more than a bit confused.  we hate/fear intelligence and education.  our religious beliefs are...well, 'misinformed' would be the polite way of putting it.  we love violence, but think sex is dirty.  we treat our politics like sports, and our sports like a religious cult.  we fear government control, yet cheer corporations when they pull crap that'd terrify George Orwell.  we want to make sure everyone is well armed, but are so afraid of terrorist attacks that we gate rape people before letting them get on a plane.

I could go on, but you get the point.  we're not consistent in what it is we say we value as a society.  what DOES America stand for these days?  Truth?  not after the lies Romney told during this last election cycle.  Justice?  can any country that created/funded and runs secret CIA torture prisons be considered 'just'?  I think not.  'The american way'?  what does that even mean anymore?  sometimes I wonder just how much longer we can last.  we're turning inwards, becoming more self absorbed.  less concerned with knowledge, wisdom and freedom.  we're more concerned with control, greed and lust.  I think we are our own worst enemies.


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I wonder what historians will say about us...
 
2012-12-29 08:07:34 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Of course they are vultures. [lots of truth]...


I would simply tell them....
 
2012-12-29 08:10:24 PM

Matthew Keene: I'm always rooting for a higher kill score. Twenty-seven was impressive, but we can do better.


Congratulations!  That may very well be the worst troll attempt I have seen on the internet.
Wow, Just Wow . . .

Score:  -10 / potatoE
 
2012-12-29 08:11:46 PM

Zombie DJ: I remember Hitlers name but, gun to my head, couldn't tell you 5 people he killed.


a Jew,  a Jew,  a Jew,  a Jew,  a Jew

/bless me
//isle seat please
 
2012-12-29 08:35:02 PM

rka: Gyrfalcon: If the media said "27 people slain! Here are their stories!"

What do you mean if? Haven't we basically gotten a biographical overview of every kid yet? We knew after Columbine which ones were devout Christians and which ones were football players, we knew after the movie theater shootings which ones were just out of the Army or which ones were just divorced.

A day after the Sandy Hook massacre we had this in the Washington Post (first one that came up on google, there are thousands more)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/nation/newtown-school-sh o oting-victims/

Sorry folks, the information is there. If you're railing against the media for not reporting this stuff about the victims then you need to look a bit harder at your own filters because they did. Were you too busy to pay attention? Had to go see The Hobbit that night so you couldn't be bothered to read a bit more? Needed to rush out and buy that last minute piece of junk for a Christmas present so you turned off the TV? Too busy requesting BIE in some TotalFark thread? Mundane shiat piled upon mundane shiat.

But now you've got a few minutes in a Fark thread and you have time to type out a few words and feel superior. Shame on you.


Really? It was on every day like the news about the shooter? It was on every hour like the news about the shooter? It was on INSTEAD of news about the shooter? It was on in 30-second sound bites like news about the shooter?

And you were so outraged you only got to the first sentence of my post that you didn't bother to read to the end where I noted that this has been an ongoing process over many years and isn't something that's just happened lately? Shame on you.
 
2012-12-29 09:08:34 PM
Zombie DJ: I remember Hitlers name but, gun to my head, couldn't tell you 5 people he killed.

I don't think I could name 5 random people killed because they was Jews or Gypsies, or Homosexuals or what not, but I could name 5 July 20th conspirators or 5 SA leaders killed in the Night of the long knives
 
2012-12-29 09:21:12 PM
How the media usually remembers it:

Assault weapon Glock
Assault weapon ak-47
Assault weapon Glock
Assault weapon ak-47
Glock Glock Glock
Assault weapon Glock
Assault weapon ak-47
ak-47
ak-47
Assault weapon
Assault weapon
Assault weapon
Assault weapon
Assault weapon
 
2012-12-29 09:52:48 PM
A business who's job is to attract the most veiwers for ad revenue can use cheap shock and awe jouranlism? No way, don't believe it.

And like everything else that screws something over for a buck, pretty much every business in this country, we have to put up with it because capitalism duh.
 
2012-12-29 10:00:58 PM
That is why I am making sure that I remember the name "Victoria Soto." She hid her kids in closets and cabinets, and stood between them and Psycho Emo Philips.
 
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