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2012-12-29 01:57:45 PM  
go away nhl. world juniors are on.
 
2012-12-29 02:05:48 PM  
The players should reject it out of hand and tell the owners: "Any deal that doesn't include canning Bettman and barring him from ever having anything to do with the NHL is unacceptable"
 
2012-12-29 02:11:58 PM  

LesserEvil: The players should reject it out of hand and tell the owners: "Any deal that doesn't include canning Bettman and barring him from ever having anything to do with the NHL is unacceptable"


^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
 
2012-12-29 02:18:11 PM  
It's essentially the same as last time, they just added another year to term limits, moved the "make whole" finances around a little and introduced a one time(and contract) giant buy-out option for owners. There's a lot of other minor issues but those are the big ones. It doesn't address any of the real issues facing the NHL financially and the players should(and most likely will) reject it.

Just look at the cap. They allow owners to spend up to 70 million provided they reduce to 60 a year later. Essentially they(by which I mean Jacobs) want to spend like drunken lords for one year then dump it all with no consequences. It's a joke.
 
2012-12-29 02:23:00 PM  
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2012-12-29 02:25:01 PM  

thisiszombocom: go away nhl. world juniors are on.


THIS.

The closest I'm getting to the NHL right now is cheering for the Nuge.
 
2012-12-29 02:32:18 PM  
the drop to a 60M cap is a joke. I'm tired of having my team being asked to give its profits to support 8 others that can't make money.

- Drop 6 teams
- Relocate 2 others
- Fire Bettman

There, I fixed the NHL
 
2012-12-29 02:43:59 PM  

LemSkroob: the drop to a 60M cap is a joke. I'm tired of having my team being asked to give its profits to support 8 others that can't make money.

- Drop 6 teams
- Relocate 2 others
- Fire Bettman

There, I fixed the NHL


Ah, I'm sure the players love your idea of eliminating 150+ jobs. And I'm sure networks love the idea of showing a sport to a market with no team enough to pay more for the TV rights.
 
2012-12-29 02:49:26 PM  
The players should just let the whole season be cancelled anyways. What a disaster NHL negotiations are. If the owners can't control their spending I can't see why the players should give them a hand. Besides, it's probably cheap bastard owners like Jeremy Jacobs who are the main hard liners.

Delaware North may own the Bruins for years but I can't wait for the day when Jacobs is no longer involved with the Bruins.
 
2012-12-29 02:53:26 PM  

LesserEvil: The players should reject it out of hand and tell the owners: "Any deal that doesn't include canning Bettman and barring him from ever having anything to do with the NHL is unacceptable"


I approve of this message.
 
2012-12-29 02:58:41 PM  
The real reason for the cancellation is because their writers didn't have the script for this season written.

/predetermined goonpuck
 
2012-12-29 03:03:56 PM  

IAmRight: LemSkroob: the drop to a 60M cap is a joke. I'm tired of having my team being asked to give its profits to support 8 others that can't make money.

- Drop 6 teams
- Relocate 2 others
- Fire Bettman

There, I fixed the NHL

Ah, I'm sure the players love your idea of eliminating 150+ jobs. And I'm sure networks love the idea of showing a sport to a market with no team enough to pay more for the TV rights.


i like your proposal. i think we should drop the florida panthers, tampa bay lightning, phoenix coyotes, winnipeg jets, new york islanders, and columbus blue jackets. the sharks should get to take whatever players they want from all of those teams and then when they're done the rest of the nhl teams can have their pick

/even with the star players from all of those teams, the sharks would still find a way to choke in the playoffs
 
2012-12-29 03:04:35 PM  

unyon: thisiszombocom: go away nhl. world juniors are on.

THIS.

The closest I'm getting to the NHL right now is cheering for the Nuge.


Screw the World Juniors, it's Spengler Cup season!!!
 
2012-12-29 03:11:26 PM  

animesucks: IAmRight: LemSkroob: the drop to a 60M cap is a joke. I'm tired of having my team being asked to give its profits to support 8 others that can't make money.

- Drop 6 teams
- Relocate 2 others
- Fire Bettman

There, I fixed the NHL

Ah, I'm sure the players love your idea of eliminating 150+ jobs. And I'm sure networks love the idea of showing a sport to a market with no team enough to pay more for the TV rights.

i like your proposal. i think we should drop the florida panthers, tampa bay lightning, phoenix coyotes, winnipeg jets, new york islanders, and columbus blue jackets. the sharks should get to take whatever players they want from all of those teams and then when they're done the rest of the nhl teams can have their pick

/even with the star players from all of those teams, the sharks would still find a way to choke in the playoffs


Hey! The arena problem's been solved, hence the problem's been solved! Just give it 3 years to let the current lease run out.

/failing that, take good care of Tavares
 
2012-12-29 04:06:49 PM  
Meh. Between the Nanooks, the Ice Dogs, the Aces, and my own hockey, I haven't really missed the NHL this year.
 
2012-12-29 04:52:50 PM  
Talks scheduled for tomorrow.

Even if the lock out ends, I'd still like to see the minor league and IIHF games continue on the NHL network.
NESN has let me down with their lack of AHL coverage.
 
2012-12-29 05:04:26 PM  

Ess_Aytch: A) The NHL brings in 13% of the revenue that MLB does, yet salaries are 70% of MLB's.



Do you have a good source for that? Even as a huge hockey fan I've been saying basically the same thing but without any hard numbers - I'm just talking out of my ass. But if that's accurate then it's be nice to know.

/farking Bergman!
 
2012-12-29 05:09:23 PM  

Wulfman: Ess_Aytch: A) The NHL brings in 13% of the revenue that MLB does, yet salaries are 70% of MLB's.


Do you have a good source for that? Even as a huge hockey fan I've been saying basically the same thing but without any hard numbers - I'm just talking out of my ass. But if that's accurate then it's be nice to know.

/farking Bergman!


He's talking out of his ass. The NHL revenues last year were 3.3 billion. The MLB revenues last year were 7.7 billion.
 
2012-12-29 06:10:10 PM  

Wulfman: /farking Bergman!


I'm happy to see this didn't die.
 
2012-12-29 06:16:13 PM  

LemSkroob: the drop to a 60M cap is a joke. I'm tired of having my team being asked to give its profits to support 8 others that can't make money.

- Drop 6 teams
- Relocate 2 others
- Fire Bettman

There, I fixed the NHL


That's a nice idea, but, Farkman created the extra teams, so the owners are not going to take that offer. Plus the players are not going to take it. I will agree the players are a bit greedy and the owners have the thought that once they start winning that they are on the gravey train.

We all know that is far from the truth. I would like to see a reduction in the # of teams, but 6 seems extreme maybe make it 4, 2 from the east and west. Then realign the conferences and but not have any long trips for teams to travel east or west.

Long term contracts have hurt thge NHL. They entry contract should be less than 5 years. The second and beyond contract should be 2 - 4 years. We don't have many very long term players in the league, they get hurt and they are not as productive after 6 - 7 yrs. A Gredsky type player comes along once in a couple lifetimes, but the players think they are all the shiat, and their agents feed the owners that BS. And the Owners taste it and like it. But what happens? Yes, they busted. The owners/GMs need to grow some kahones and quit offering the long term bug contracts just to win the cup.

Both sides are at fault here! Every day we have no NHL the less each franchise is worth. I hope these billionare owners realize that the $$$'s they have invested would have done better in something else. Instead the listened to Gary Farkman,but continued to sign players as if nothing was going to happen.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

I am against both sides at this time, and don't really care if the NHL every plays again.

/ Former Panther Season Ticket Holder
 
2012-12-29 06:22:02 PM  
ESPN reporting that today's conference call went well enough that they'll resume face-to-face talks as soon as tomorrow

/farting Buttman
 
2012-12-29 06:27:46 PM  
As a life-long hockey fan... fark the NHL... Especially Bettman.
 
2012-12-29 06:29:14 PM  
You people do realize that no pro sports league will ever contract without being forced to by having a particular market completely and totally unable to support its franchise and no other markets available to take said franchise. As long as rich people are willing to have a team and people are willing to buy tickets to support that team, a team will exist.

Now, could this clusterfark indirectly lead to a couple of teams folding? Yes, very much so. But it could take a while so don't hold your breath. Contraction is and always will be the last resort for any league.
 
2012-12-29 06:31:56 PM  

IAmRight: The real reason for the cancellation is because their writers didn't have the script for this season written.

/predetermined goonpuck


8/10...pretty good.
 
2012-12-29 07:07:59 PM  
I was planning on purchasing the NHL ice package this year. They've basically farked around long enough for me never to invest money in the sport again. I play therefore I don't need to watch.

/not professional but still
//fark Bettman
 
2012-12-29 07:14:41 PM  
I'm in Florida this week, therefore I don't care about hockey this week. Palm trees here, snow at home.

That said, fark Bergman.
 
2012-12-29 07:18:01 PM  

Remarkable_Anus: I was planning on purchasing the NHL ice package this year. They've basically farked around long enough for me never to invest money in the sport again. I play therefore I don't need to watch.

/not professional but still
//fark Bettman


There was an article.. I forget where.. last week that listed things the league could do to make it up to the fans. One of the suggestions was free Center Ice for a year.
Now, I doubt very much the league would ever go for that, but if they did, would ex-fans such as yourself be inclined to give them another chance?
 
2012-12-29 07:23:41 PM  

The Bestest: Remarkable_Anus: I was planning on purchasing the NHL ice package this year. They've basically farked around long enough for me never to invest money in the sport again. I play therefore I don't need to watch.

/not professional but still
//fark Bettman

There was an article.. I forget where.. last week that listed things the league could do to make it up to the fans. One of the suggestions was free Center Ice for a year.
Now, I doubt very much the league would ever go for that, but if they did, would ex-fans such as yourself be inclined to give them another chance?


Doubtful just because a lockout could happen in 6-7 years again. I'm still bitter from the last NHL stoppage. Greed is not a good business model.
 
2012-12-29 07:27:08 PM  

The Bestest: There was an article.. I forget where.. last week that listed things the league could do to make it up to the fans. One of the suggestions was free Center Ice for a year.
Now, I doubt very much the league would ever go for that, but if they did, would ex-fans such as yourself be inclined to give them another chance?


Wouldn't that only benefit the fans who live outside of their favorite team's area (out of market is what they call it)? As an example... I'm a Red Wings fan. Because I live in Michigan, the NHL blocks the Center Ice feeds so that I can't watch my favorite team. I could really care less about watching every other team besides my favorite play. I've always felt the NHL Center Ice setup was stupid... so unless they changed that it would be a useless gesture.
 
2012-12-29 07:34:39 PM  
So proud fark is propagating my Bergman typo.

As tot he deal, the cap thing is a joke, but I still hope a deal can be reached soon enough that I can see some Caps hockey this season.

Also, does anyone know a good way to catch Hershey Bears games on-line?
 
2012-12-29 07:37:09 PM  

JohnnyC: I've always felt the NHL Center Ice setup was stupid...


It's primarily marketed to fans who have moved away from their team, as well as die-hards who will watch any game that's on. If all you're interested in is the team playing locally, you can find those games on TV, minus perhaps a few games every season (depending on who the cable provider is and whether or not they pre-empt NHL for NBA, etc).
 
2012-12-29 07:37:29 PM  

Ess_Aytch: The proposal is practical, and should be enough to get the game going again. Except that it won't because Donald Fehr is only in this for his own ego, and the players are a bunch of selfish d-bags who don't understand that:


Shut up, Mrs. Bettman.
 
2012-12-29 07:48:45 PM  
Chill people, the plan was always to come back mid Jan. They both knew it. They were hoping the other side might crack but it didn't happen, so the plan is going ahead. There will be no boycott, the fans will come back. In March the whole thing will be practically forgotten. Does anyone remember or care that Lebron's first title was during a shortened NBA season?
 
2012-12-29 08:11:16 PM  

swahnhennessy: JohnnyC: I've always felt the NHL Center Ice setup was stupid...

It's primarily marketed to fans who have moved away from their team, as well as die-hards who will watch any game that's on. If all you're interested in is the team playing locally, you can find those games on TV, minus perhaps a few games every season (depending on who the cable provider is and whether or not they pre-empt NHL for NBA, etc).


Yeah, I realize that's how they marketed it. In fact, it was the only reason I had HD cable service. If there was NHL hockey and if they allowed me to watch in-market games on it, I would have subscribed to NHL Center Ice in a heartbeat. I cancelled my HD cable subscription already and have no intention of getting it back even if they don't cancel the rest of the season.

Decillion: There will be no boycott, the fans will come back.


Not this fan... at least not this year. Maybe next year, but that's a big maybe. This lockout (way WAY too soon since the last one) has seriously soured my opinion of the NHL.
 
2012-12-29 08:13:26 PM  

Decillion: Chill people, the plan was always to come back mid Jan. They both knew it. They were hoping the other side might crack but it didn't happen, so the plan is going ahead. There will be no boycott, the fans will come back. In March the whole thing will be practically forgotten. Does anyone remember or care that Lebron's first title was during a shortened NBA season?


This is the same shiat I heard all last spring and summer about not even having a delayed start.  And it's based on...nothing.  Have people forgotten that these guys lost an entire season the last time they tried to "negotiate"?  The owners have all the leverage.  If both sides know anything, it's that.  This is all a matter of how long the players can play hardball, and how much the owners are willing to give them.
 
2012-12-29 08:29:04 PM  

Decillion: Chill people, the plan was always to come back mid Jan. They both knew it. They were hoping the other side might crack but it didn't happen, so the plan is going ahead. There will be no boycott, the fans will come back. In March the whole thing will be practically forgotten. Does anyone remember or care that Lebron's first title was during a shortened NBA season?


The Cylons were created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan.
 
2012-12-29 08:56:00 PM  

carnifex2005: Wulfman: Ess_Aytch: A) The NHL brings in 13% of the revenue that MLB does, yet salaries are 70% of MLB's.


Do you have a good source for that? Even as a huge hockey fan I've been saying basically the same thing but without any hard numbers - I'm just talking out of my ass. But if that's accurate then it's be nice to know.

/farking Bergman!

He's talking out of his ass. The NHL revenues last year were 3.3 billion. The MLB revenues last year were 7.7 billion.


And, according to Grantland, here's the salaries as a percentage of revenue numbers:

"The NBA saw their percentage of revenue drop from 57 percent under their old deal to 51.2 percent for the 2011-12 season. That number will continue to drop to 49 percent as the deal progresses.

MLB players, who are not limited by a salary cap, took home roughly 45 percent of team revenue in 2010. As of 2011, MLB players received 51 percent of baseball revenue.

NFL players received as high as 54 percent of revenue under their old CBA, but will see that number drop to approximately 47 percent under their new deal (give or take a percentage point depending on whom you ask), though the NFLPA has said the players got 55 percent of league revenue in 2011. "


The owners want to reduce the players' percentage to 49 percent next year, dropping to 47 percent by the end of the deal (they originally offered a hard 43 percent). The players are asking for a decrease in percentage (from 54 percent to 52 percent), though it would result in an increase in total dollars, assuming the NHL continues to see 7 percent annual growth as they have since the last deal.
 
2012-12-29 09:16:37 PM  

PaulieattheTap: A Gredsky type player comes along once in a couple lifetimes, but the players think they are all the shiat, and their agents feed the owners that BS. And the Owners taste it and like it. But what happens? Yes, they busted. The owners/GMs need to grow some kahones and quit offering the long term bug contracts just to win the cup.

Both sides are at fault here! Every day we have no NHL the less each franchise is worth. I hope these billionare owners realize that the $$$'s they have invested would have done better in something else. Instead the listened to Gary Farkman,but continued to sign players as if nothing was going to happen.

WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?

I am against both sides at this time, and don't really care if the NHL every plays again.

/ Former Panther Season Ticket Holder



You do realize that yours would be one of the contracted teams, right?

/I don't always take hockey advice from random Southerners on the internet, but when I do, I take it from people who don't know how to spell "Gretzky"
 
2012-12-29 09:50:51 PM  
Fark the NHL

Fark Bergman and the rich owners

Fark the spoiled rich players

/Found other things to spend my money on.
//Fark Bergman again
 
2012-12-29 10:23:36 PM  
82-game season: waaaaay too long. The season should last as long as there's ice on Lake Superior.

Greater than half of the league makes the playoffs. WTF? Can't we just put 'em all in?

Little gnats flying around, scoring at will during the regular season, get erased in the playoffs by goons in short pants. Why not just get rid of the interference rule, and make it football on ice?

There's some beauty in this sport. But it's completely eclipsed by the ugly we're witnessing right now.
 
2012-12-30 12:14:02 AM  

FreakinB: animesucks: IAmRight: LemSkroob: the drop to a 60M cap is a joke. I'm tired of having my team being asked to give its profits to support 8 others that can't make money.

- Drop 6 teams
- Relocate 2 others
- Fire Bettman

There, I fixed the NHL

Ah, I'm sure the players love your idea of eliminating 150+ jobs. And I'm sure networks love the idea of showing a sport to a market with no team enough to pay more for the TV rights.

i like your proposal. i think we should drop the florida panthers, tampa bay lightning, phoenix coyotes, winnipeg jets, new york islanders, and columbus blue jackets. the sharks should get to take whatever players they want from all of those teams and then when they're done the rest of the nhl teams can have their pick

/even with the star players from all of those teams, the sharks would still find a way to choke in the playoffs

Hey! The arena problem's been solved, hence the problem's been solved! Just give it 3 years to let the current lease run out.

/failing that, take good care of Tavares


Yes, the arena problem is fixed. Now all they need is a real owner. a real GM. a real coach. a real scouting staff. and real fans. But yeah, they are all set.
 
2012-12-30 03:15:29 AM  

Decillion: Does anyone remember or care that Lebron's first title was during a shortened NBA season?


The casual fans don't but NBA fans do.
 
2012-12-30 03:17:30 AM  
I still remember that the Spurs first title with Robinson and Duncan was during the late 90s lockout (I think 98, maybe 99).
 
2012-12-30 10:34:56 AM  

LemSkroob: FreakinB: Hey! The arena problem's been solved, hence the problem's been solved! Just give it 3 years to let the current lease run out.

/failing that, take good care of Tavares

Yes, the arena problem is fixed. Now all they need is a real owner. a real GM. a real coach. a real scouting staff. and real fans. But yeah, they are all set.


You had to get me started, didn't you?

Owner: I'll admit his hockey sense is lacking (damn 15-year DP contract), but he's earned a lot of respect from me. He held out MUCH longer than most would have trying to make something happen in Nassau County, and lost a lot of money doing it. He gives a shiat. For me, in the case of him and only him (not the other owners), that's more of a positive than the lockout is a negative. I'd like to see what he does if the team actually makes money.

GM: Honestly, given the money limitations I don't think he's done a particularly bad job. I wouldn't be upset to see him replaced by someone with more of a track record, but I'm not calling for his head either.

Scouting: Tavares is what we hoped he'd be, there are some good, young players on the team (Hamonic, Nielsen, Okposo, Grabner if he can ever develop some hands to go with this speed, even Bailey showed signs of life), and the system is stocked with prospects that should arrive over the next couple of years. Call this an incomplete.

Coach: Can't argue with you on this one. Not a big fan of Cap.

Fans: A shiatty arena and 17 years of making it to the first round at best (which actually had a lot to do with the arena) won't do much for enthusiasm. But I always point to 2002: It was the one year in that stretch where the Isles looked even decent, and people came back in force. The arena in Brooklyn is fairly easy to get to for most of the existing fan base and opens up the city. Obviously they need a winner, but the opportunity is there.
 
2012-12-30 10:59:31 AM  

animesucks: IAmRight: LemSkroob: the drop to a 60M cap is a joke. I'm tired of having my team being asked to give its profits to support 8 others that can't make money.

- Drop 6 teams
- Relocate 2 others
- Fire Bettman

There, I fixed the NHL

Ah, I'm sure the players love your idea of eliminating 150+ jobs. And I'm sure networks love the idea of showing a sport to a market with no team enough to pay more for the TV rights.

i like your proposal. i think we should drop the florida panthers, tampa bay lightning, phoenix coyotes, winnipeg jets, new york islanders, and columbus blue jackets. the sharks should get to take whatever players they want from all of those teams and then when they're done the rest of the nhl teams can have their pick

/even with the star players from all of those teams, the sharks would still find a way to choke in the playoffs


Lol yes drop the Jets, after finally getting another team to pay the bills lets drop em
 
2012-12-30 12:08:39 PM  

TheJoe03: Decillion: Does anyone remember or care that Lebron's first title was during a shortened NBA season?

The casual fans don't but NBA fans do.


Just like the San Antonio Spurs 1st title (though their subsequent titles sort of legitimizes that 1st one) and the New Jersey Devils 1st Cup (but again, they did win 2 more in the following decade so same deal as the Spurs).

If the Heat were to win the title this year, or even just get back to the Finals; I think it renders that "shortened season" shot moot.
 
2012-12-30 05:30:58 PM  

desertgeek: If the Heat were to win the title this year, or even just get back to the Finals; I think it renders that "shortened season" shot moot.


Exactly, and they probably will.
 
2012-12-30 05:57:22 PM  

desertgeek: TheJoe03: Decillion: Does anyone remember or care that Lebron's first title was during a shortened NBA season?

The casual fans don't but NBA fans do.

Just like the San Antonio Spurs 1st title (though their subsequent titles sort of legitimizes that 1st one) and the New Jersey Devils 1st Cup (but again, they did win 2 more in the following decade so same deal as the Spurs).

If the Heat were to win the title this year, or even just get back to the Finals; I think it renders that "shortened season" shot moot.


The Heat got to the finals the year before. That pretty much moots that short season crap.
 
2012-12-30 11:20:58 PM  

carnifex2005: desertgeek: TheJoe03: Decillion: Does anyone remember or care that Lebron's first title was during a shortened NBA season?

The casual fans don't but NBA fans do.

Just like the San Antonio Spurs 1st title (though their subsequent titles sort of legitimizes that 1st one) and the New Jersey Devils 1st Cup (but again, they did win 2 more in the following decade so same deal as the Spurs).

If the Heat were to win the title this year, or even just get back to the Finals; I think it renders that "shortened season" shot moot.

The Heat got to the finals the year before. That pretty much moots that short season crap.


Both Heat titles come under highly dubious officiating and that's being nice
 
2012-12-30 11:36:06 PM  

Malcolm_Sex: Both Heat titles come under highly dubious officiating and that's being nice


At least the Mavs had a chance to win if there was fair officiating, OKC had no chance last year, they played pretty shiatty.
 
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