Do you have adblock enabled?
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(The New York Times)   Toyota Prius has been chosen as the best new car value. Unless you value your image   (wheels.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 89
    More: Cool, Prius  
•       •       •

1117 clicks; posted to Business » on 29 Dec 2012 at 8:34 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



89 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-12-29 09:14:37 AM  
I don't care about what other people think, I love my Prius. Haters, hate away.
 
2012-12-29 09:16:16 AM  
They are great cars.
/In before the "Buy a big ass SUV because of toxic chemicals deep.
 
2012-12-29 09:18:13 AM  
Prius are lovely looking cars, I wasn't aware there were image issues with them. I think maybe it's just subbys bitterness.
 
2012-12-29 09:19:01 AM  
gifsoup.com
 
2012-12-29 09:21:37 AM  
Toyota Prius? Is that some kind of farking Transformer?
 
2012-12-29 09:32:17 AM  
Also great if you're a member of a horny group of hobos.
 
2012-12-29 09:32:21 AM  
www.hybridcars.com
 
2012-12-29 09:47:10 AM  
Wake me up when they come up with a diesel hybrid that's salable in the U.S.

/Your Prius sucks
//You don't know it because you've never had to fix it.
 
2012-12-29 10:13:26 AM  
Call me when the Prius gets remarkably better MPG than the 1986 Honda CRX HF - and is anywhere near as fun to drive.

Actual government MPG info

As someone who is interested in cars and sees them as more than an appliance, I'd rather spend more at the pump and actually enjoy driving.

/2007 Subaru Legacy GT wagon
//2006 Pontiac GTO
///1967 Chevy Impala
 
2012-12-29 10:18:54 AM  
Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.
 
2012-12-29 10:23:23 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.


Yea, if you keep the car for 12 years you're sure going to hate that $1200 battery replacement. I mean you barely saved 4 or 5 times that in gas costs.

Since prius batteries are "zero-landfill" products they are completely recyclable at their end life. The smug can keep going for decades.
 
2012-12-29 10:31:25 AM  

Carth: Since prius batteries are "zero-landfill" products they are completely recyclable at their end life.


The lithium alone makes the battery worth recycling.
 
2012-12-29 10:36:52 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.


Case in point. Not a single person used the word "smug" regarding a Prius or it's owner until Matt and Trey had an axe to grind. Now every dipstick parrots what the tv box told them to.

/I'm actually a South Park fan
//Just not a fan of other South Park fans
 
2012-12-29 10:39:50 AM  
People do realize the hybrid battery is covered by warranty until 100k miles, right? That's why you typically only see them on the market with that many miles.

/love my Prius
 
2012-12-29 10:43:18 AM  
According to the EPA's website on cars' mpg, the annual fuel cost of the prius is $1000. The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra) is $1500. A cursory search of auto trader shows that the median price of a prius is $30K. The median of the Elantra was about $23K and the focus was around $24K. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather have a normal car that gets 38ish mpg, has more cargo space, less weight and more power rather than have a hybrid that trades all that for 10 more mpg.
 
2012-12-29 10:49:49 AM  

Phaeon: According to the EPA's website on cars' mpg, the annual fuel cost of the prius is $1000. The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra) is $1500. A cursory search of auto trader shows that the median price of a prius is $30K. The median of the Elantra was about $23K and the focus was around $24K. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather have a normal car that gets 38ish mpg, has more cargo space, less weight and more power rather than have a hybrid that trades all that for 10 more mpg.


What good are your facts when they have feelings with which to trump them?

/they know it's vastly superior
//...in their gut
///nothing inherently wrong with it, actually... just not the miracle on four wheels some see it as
 
2012-12-29 10:50:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.


Are you perpetuating the lie that the pack gets thrown in a landfill, perpetuating the lie that the pack can't be replaced or perpetuating the lie that the pack doesn't last very long?

I can't mock you correctly until you provide more detail. Your derp was far too broad and non-specific.
 
2012-12-29 10:58:28 AM  

Phaeon: The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra)


The Prius V, which is the one you quoted a price for, is a roomy mid-size hatchback. Your "comparisons" cars are compacts comparable to the sub-$20,000 Prius C which also gets significantly better mileage. The V also has substantially more cargo space than either of those cars - up to 61 cubic feet - thanks to the liftback and folding rear seats.

Your whole post is based on the fact that you couldn't be bothered to spend 2 farking minutes in Google before you tripped all over yourself to prove how "smart" you are.
 
2012-12-29 11:00:31 AM  
Smugness, Southpark yada yada

If you want to get the skinny vegan hippy chicks you drive a Prius.
 
2012-12-29 11:15:30 AM  

wildcardjack: Smugness, Southpark yada yada

If you want to get the skinny vegan hippy chicks you drive a Prius.


What kind of chicks would one get with, say, a 2013 Dodge Dart?
 
2012-12-29 11:21:17 AM  
Kevin Bacon drives a Prius FWIW. He went to the same matinee of "Django Unchained" that I watched.
 
2012-12-29 11:28:28 AM  

seancakes: wildcardjack: Smugness, Southpark yada yada

If you want to get the skinny vegan hippy chicks you drive a Prius.

What kind of chicks would one get with, say, a 2013 Dodge Dart?


In 2013, community college coeds.
In 2020, community college "back to school" coeds.
In 2025, GED coeds.
In 2030, GED dropouts.
 
2012-12-29 11:31:05 AM  

ramblinwreck: People do realize the hybrid battery is covered by warranty until 100k miles, right? That's why you typically only see them on the market with that many miles.

/love my Prius


My friend actually had to have the battery in hers replaced, and Toyota covered all the costs.
 
2012-12-29 11:31:46 AM  

Phaeon: According to the EPA's website on cars' mpg, the annual fuel cost of the prius is $1000. The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra) is $1500. A cursory search of auto trader shows that the median price of a prius is $30K. The median of the Elantra was about $23K and the focus was around $24K. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather have a normal car that gets 38ish mpg, has more cargo space, less weight and more power rather than have a hybrid that trades all that for 10 more mpg.


Or you could chose a VW Golf TDi, which also costs about $24k and gets better performance AND fuel economy than any of them.
 
2012-12-29 11:36:12 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Phaeon: The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra)

The Prius V, which is the one you quoted a price for, is a roomy mid-size hatchback. Your "comparisons" cars are compacts comparable to the sub-$20,000 Prius C which also gets significantly better mileage. The V also has substantially more cargo space than either of those cars - up to 61 cubic feet - thanks to the liftback and folding rear seats.

Your whole post is based on the fact that you couldn't be bothered to spend 2 farking minutes in Google before you tripped all over yourself to prove how "smart" you are.


I used the normal prius' page, the prius v says $1150 http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33324 (sorry, on phone, can't condense into hyperlink). Unless you were disputing the median retail price I quoted for the prius. A cursory glance at auto trader shows that the prius v retails from $29500 to $37000, more than the prius

As for using the focus and Elantra for comparison I went by dimensions: both the Elantra and focus sedans are longer than the normal prius by about three inches and longer than the prius c by ~15 inches. I think the prius c is more like a sub compact (it's smaller than a Hyundai accent).
 
2012-12-29 11:43:01 AM  
www.hybridcars.com
 
2012-12-29 11:44:24 AM  

Stone Meadow: Phaeon: According to the EPA's website on cars' mpg, the annual fuel cost of the prius is $1000. The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra) is $1500. A cursory search of auto trader shows that the median price of a prius is $30K. The median of the Elantra was about $23K and the focus was around $24K. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather have a normal car that gets 38ish mpg, has more cargo space, less weight and more power rather than have a hybrid that trades all that for 10 more mpg.

Or you could chose a VW Golf TDi, which also costs about $24k and gets better performance AND fuel economy than any of them.


True, but my comparison used "normal" cars of the same size. I understand that diesel is probably the better choice at this point and definitely will be in the future. I plan on looking into the skyactiv-d whenever it comes to the US
 
2012-12-29 12:11:57 PM  

Phaeon: Stone Meadow: Or you could chose a VW Golf TDi, which also costs about $24k and gets better performance AND fuel economy than any of them.

True, but my comparison used "normal" cars of the same size. I understand that diesel is probably the better choice at this point and definitely will be in the future. I plan on looking into the skyactiv-d whenever it comes to the US


I'll admit to being biased, since I bought my first VW diesel in 1980, and am on my 4th (an '02 TDi). I can totally see that I might buy a gas-electric hydrid for a next car, but for the past 30 years I have saved thousands and thousands in fuel costs by driving a small diesel/turbodiesel/TDi instead of a pickup or big honkin' SUV.
 
2012-12-29 12:18:50 PM  

Phaeon: According to the EPA's website on cars' mpg, the annual fuel cost of the prius is $1000. The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra) is $1500. A cursory search of auto trader shows that the median price of a prius is $30K. The median of the Elantra was about $23K and the focus was around $24K. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather have a normal car that gets 38ish mpg, has more cargo space, less weight and more power rather than have a hybrid that trades all that for 10 more mpg.


So...don't buy a Prius? Is it really this hard? The damn thing is a car, one of dozens of models available at any one time. Go buy something else.

What amazes me is that I've never met a smug or preachy Prius owner. Several of my friends drive them and they're just cars. No one cares.

Prius haters on the other hand? Those farkers are everywhere.
 
2012-12-29 12:20:11 PM  
Do people actually buy into the crap that what kind of car you drive says something about you? Never figured that people were actually that gullible...
 
2012-12-29 12:23:45 PM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Phaeon: According to the EPA's website on cars' mpg, the annual fuel cost of the prius is $1000. The annual fuel cost of cars that are of similar size (I used the focus and the Elantra) is $1500. A cursory search of auto trader shows that the median price of a prius is $30K. The median of the Elantra was about $23K and the focus was around $24K. I can only speak for myself but I'd rather have a normal car that gets 38ish mpg, has more cargo space, less weight and more power rather than have a hybrid that trades all that for 10 more mpg.

So...don't buy a Prius? Is it really this hard? The damn thing is a car, one of dozens of models available at any one time. Go buy something else.

What amazes me is that I've never met a smug or preachy Prius owner. Several of my friends drive them and they're just cars. No one cares.

Prius haters on the other hand? Those farkers are everywhere.


Since when does making a rational cost/benefit decision constitute being a 'hater'?
 
2012-12-29 12:24:12 PM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: ...What amazes me is that I've never met a smug or preachy Prius owner. Several of my friends drive them and they're just cars. No one cares.

Prius haters on the other hand? Those farkers are everywhere.


Up here in Seattle they have replaced the Volvo as favored ride of the smug.

/even the farkin taxis are Prius'
 
2012-12-29 12:30:56 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.


The prius has been around a long time now and to my surprise battery life has not been an issue.
It seems that keeping the battery at a goldilocks level of charge can make it last a very long time.
 
2012-12-29 12:33:42 PM  
www.happy-hybrid.com

Was it blue or BLUE

/Sparkly
 
2012-12-29 12:43:42 PM  
www.designboom.com
Indeed. I value my image far too much to be seen driving around in one of those nasty internal-combusion engine cars.
 
2012-12-29 12:46:59 PM  

CodeMonkey4Life: HotIgneous Intruder: Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.

The prius has been around a long time now and to my surprise battery life has not been an issue.
It seems that keeping the battery at a goldilocks level of charge can make it last a very long time.


Agreed. Use the consumption screen liberally and you'll see amazing results. Also @ 144K, SAME big battery, NO loss of charge. Drive 100 mi DAILY, highway and city. About the only issue I've ever had with the battery is in major traffic jams and/or hot days waiting at the crowded Sonic window for the Rt. 44-sized slushie, but recovers rather swiftly.
 
2012-12-29 01:06:40 PM  
Prius driver.
130,000+ miles on it.
Runs like a champ.
Replaced battery pack for electric engine only once.
Toyota covered it under the warranty.
I'll be buying another one.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:48 PM  
One could say that Prius's are unstoppable.

Oh, what's that you say? They've fixed that?
 
2012-12-29 01:25:57 PM  

Nightjars: Do people actually buy into the crap that what kind of car you drive says something about you? Never figured that people were actually that gullible...


To be fair, the industry spends hundreds of millions annually to keep people fooled.  It's particularly awkward for me, as I used to be an automotive engineer.  People talk about shiat that no design engineer I've ever met discuss, ever.  I've seen ads for cars I've worked on and thought, "Well, that had nothing to do with what we worked on."  Wound up buying a Honda Fit, and my wife got a Prius, both decisions based on my work experience.  I recognized these cars as excellent values, at least if you're looking for a fun (Fit) or comfortable (Prius) A-to-B vehicle.  We're white-collar so if I ever need a truck I'll rent one.

Set aside BOTH the eco-groovy image and the "smug" hate.  The Prius is a very, very well-designed car.  I don't mean as a hybrid or a whatever; it's the best damn high-end mid-size sedan you can get for your money.  The media's overblown attacks on its quality were grating, really.  Not only were they putting cameras and mics in front of any unsubstantiated accusation, the stories kept changing.  Meanwhile, our Prius continues to perform as admirably as my high expectations for it.
 
2012-12-29 01:26:23 PM  

MightyPez: HotIgneous Intruder: Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.

Case in point. Not a single person used the word "smug" regarding a Prius or it's owner until Matt and Trey had an axe to grind. Now every dipstick parrots what the tv box told them to.

/I'm actually a South Park fan
//Just not a fan of other South Park fans


I concur with your slashies.
 
2012-12-29 01:47:03 PM  
Some facts.
1: The Prius is a great car. I love mine. I'll buy another. shiat, my wife wants to get one.
2: People who shiat on electric cars in favor of diesel need to understand there is no silver bullet. The solution is a mix of all options. I want a Prius that runs on diesel.
3: That South Park episode was hysterical. At some point, all Prius owners act that douchey.
4: Comparing a Prius' MPG to that of a 1983 Honda is cherry-picking bullshiat. How's the emissions on your Honda? How's the performance? How quiet is it? How's the on-board GPS? How's your 8-track holding up?
 
2012-12-29 01:53:24 PM  
The Prius is great. Our next car will be another Prius.

Never understood the Prius-hate thing, why folks get themselves worked up over someone else having different priorities for a car. For some of us, it's just transportation.

/Farkers worried about their image?
//snert
 
2012-12-29 02:01:34 PM  
the Prius is an automotive Tardis. Similar exterior footprint as a Corolla, with an interior volume that rivals a mid-size car. that's why a direct comparison with an Elantra or Focus doesn't exactly hold up...and one reason why it sells so well.

I'm normally not a fan of Toyota, but the Prius is extremely well done.

the Prius C is hot garbage. Toyota would have been better off using those development dollars on improving the Yaris (a 4 speed automatic in a brand new car design? Oh dear.)
 
2012-12-29 02:06:41 PM  

foo monkey: Some facts.

2: People who shiat on electric cars in favor of diesel need to understand there is no silver bullet. The solution is a mix of all options. I want a Prius that runs on diesel.


Toyota's diesel engines are terrible. Toyota has recognized this, and will be sourcing future diesel engines from BMW.

Link

if the shiatshow that is Peugeot could figure out how to engineer a diesel-hybrid AWD powertrain, Toyota should be able to do that as well.
 
2012-12-29 02:10:14 PM  

dumbobruni: Toyota would have been better off using those development dollars on improving the Yaris (a 4 speed automatic in a brand new car design? Oh dear.)


The Vitz was designed for the Japanese market as a low-cost super-compact.  It does very well in the densely populated areas there.  If I lived there permanently I probably would've gotten one (if I needed a car to begin with).  Making it street legal for the U.S. market took a fair bit of coin as-is; they weren't going to overhaul the drivetrain when the sole point of the move was to amortize the baseline R&D costs to begin with.
 
2012-12-29 02:18:41 PM  

Flying Code Monkey: The Prius is great. Our next car will be another Prius.

Never understood the Prius-hate thing, why folks get themselves worked up over someone else having different priorities for a car. For some of us, it's just transportation.

/Farkers worried about their image?
//snert


I'm convinced the Prius hate is a derivative of the right and the global warming deniers and the Koch brothers and energy industry convincing people that trying to stop fossil fuel emissions makes Jesus sad and will lead to economic disaster and the end of times.

I have a Sonata hybrid and when I tell my conservative friends they all seem to think I made a mistake. I hear lots of reasons from them and very few of them make any logical sense.

Nevertheless I think the anti-hybrid and anti-electric people are generally the same people who will tell you that global warming is a hoax, God wants us to burn gas, and all that stuff.
 
2012-12-29 02:58:28 PM  

Carth: HotIgneous Intruder: Until that big battery goes kaput.
Then your smug mobile is less eco-friendly than a Land Rover Defender.

Yea, if you keep the car for 12 years you're sure going to hate that $1200 battery replacement. I mean you barely saved 4 or 5 times that in gas costs.

Since prius batteries are "zero-landfill" products they are completely recyclable at their end life. The smug can keep going for decades.


Yeah, the additional $10,000 in status value tacked onto the sticker price of the Prius is just something you need to ignore. Because smug never yields to actual economic reality.
 
2012-12-29 03:17:10 PM  

ajgeek: Wake me up when they come up with a diesel hybrid that's salable in the U.S.

/Your Prius sucks
//You don't know it because you've never had to fix it.


I'm more interested in a proper EV that has a small diesel turbine generator for extended range.  You don't even need to use diesel fuel to run it - just dump in any volatile liquid.
 
2012-12-29 03:21:17 PM  
I like that one joke they did on South Park 10 years ago.
 
2012-12-29 03:31:19 PM  

Nightjars: Do people actually buy into the crap that what kind of car you drive says something about you? Never figured that people were actually that gullible...


I drive a 1995 Honda Civic. It sends the message that I don't like car payments.
 
Displayed 50 of 89 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
Advertisement
On Twitter






In Other Media


  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report