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(Political Wire)   Said one prominent Republican about plunging off the fiscal cliff: "It's a shiat show. Tax rates are going to go up on everyone, and we're going to get the blame"   (politicalwire.com) divider line 198
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2012-12-29 09:22:11 AM
You got blamed when you enacted them and you'll get blamed when you let them expire.

Maybe if you learned how to spin like the other guys this wouldn't be a problem.

also, let them expire
 
2012-12-29 09:24:58 AM
Boohoo.
 
2012-12-29 09:33:44 AM
"It's like the citizens somehow got this idea that the deficit is at least partly our party's fault. Crazy! But what can you do."
 
2012-12-29 09:34:44 AM
As well you should. Maybe you'll be reasonable the next time. And when that doesn't happen, maybe people will wise up and finish what they started in 2012.
 
2012-12-29 09:35:16 AM
But one Farker told me that it's all the Democrats fault because they want their "pound of flesh" from the rich.
 
2012-12-29 09:35:35 AM
The american people's complete lack of sympathy for their situation should indicate something to them, but I know they won't get it.
 
2012-12-29 09:36:01 AM
You were the fark nuts that voted for them. Of course you'll get the blame.
 
2012-12-29 09:36:08 AM
Nevermind the fact this is the same farker that's ok with the Bush Tax Cuts expiring for everyone but not ok with the Bush Tax Cuts expiring just for the rich.

/Can't explain that
 
2012-12-29 09:37:03 AM
You shiat the bed. You get to sleep in it. You bet it all on Willard and lost.
 
2012-12-29 09:37:19 AM

bborchar: The american people's complete lack of sympathy for their situation should indicate something to them, but I know they won't get it.


What lack of sympathy. You need to remember that something like 97% of Congressmen were re-elected. Their voters do support them, at least in their minds.
 
2012-12-29 09:38:02 AM
If you'd freaking agreed to just allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire and agreed to cut back defense spending just a bit, none of this would have mattered in the first place! This is entirely due to your party's constant refusal to behave rationally. Of course your party is going to get the blame---everyone knows that this situation was totally avoidable and that Obama offered you some outstanding deals that you turned down because you and your mouth-breathing constituents think that reverting to Clinton-era tax levels for the top 2% is SOCHALIZM LOL.

/farking idiots, man
 
2012-12-29 09:38:46 AM
Didn't Boner say in 2011 he got everything in the deal he wanted?
 
2012-12-29 09:39:51 AM
Really surprised he didn't say "in somebody elses shiat".
 
2012-12-29 09:40:21 AM

astonrickenbach: Didn't Boner say in 2011 he got everything in the deal he wanted?


He did. He stayed speaker. As far as I can tell Boehner doesn't really have any other negotiating stances he cares about.
 
2012-12-29 09:40:26 AM
Minorities are voting... and getting elected! No one is doing what we tell them anymore... and somehow *sniff*, somehow this is all our fault! WE"RE GOING HOME!!! *sob*

/The GOP everyone, let's give them a big round of applause
 
2012-12-29 09:40:43 AM
HAHA! I'M POOR AS HELL SO MY TAX RATES DON'T GO UP.

SUCK IT, MIDDLE CLASS ASSHOLES! THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!
 
2012-12-29 09:40:58 AM
FTFA: They will likely be cornered into a broader tax hike than the best deal they could get from President Barack Obama today, and with none of the spending cuts that might now be on the table.

Then why on earth wouldn't you take the deal? These farkers KNOW that the outcome will be less favorable to them after Jan. 1, so wouldn't it just make sense to take Obama's recent offer and salvage a Pyrrhic victory? Or are they all THAT afraid of getting primaried by Super Grover?
 
2012-12-29 09:41:15 AM

astonrickenbach: Didn't Boner say in 2011 he got everything in the deal he wanted?


98%, but that's close enough.
 
2012-12-29 09:42:18 AM
Good, you worthless sacks of shiat. You chose to try and use the worst financial crisis in a generation solely for political gain, while the people you supposedly serve, suffered. Bad enough when you all are simply incompetent or selling your services to the highest bidder, but to actively try and make things worse, just to make the sitting President look bad, is evil and unforgivable. You all deserve to lose everything in your life that gives you any kind of financial security, I hope each and every one of you finds yourself alone and desperate on the streets.
 
2012-12-29 09:43:00 AM

Serious Black: astonrickenbach: Didn't Boner say in 2011 he got everything in the deal he wanted?

98%, but that's close enough.


And I forgot to mention that the 2% he didn't get was being able to kick Obama in the balls on the steps of the Capitol while wearing a steel-toed boot and have the booting played live on national television.
 
2012-12-29 09:43:04 AM

mat catastrophe: HAHA! I'M POOR AS HELL SO MY TAX RATES DON'T GO UP.

SUCK IT, MIDDLE CLASS ASSHOLES! THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!


Does this mean you're going to "Go Galt" on us?

/Contrary to what you may think, you won't be missed
 
2012-12-29 09:46:36 AM
Why the absolute flying fark are we babbling about tax increases instead of the broadaxe of spending reductions that's going to be driven through the government across the board, instead of smartly, selectively, precisely cutting away the parts that do the least damage and are the least necessary?

That's the real farking 'fiscal cliff'.
 
2012-12-29 09:48:26 AM
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2012-12-29 09:50:01 AM

bborchar: The american people's complete lack of sympathy for their situation should indicate something to them, but I know they won't get it.


The American people are blaming them, and I'll bet money that if we go off the cliff, the Republicans will lost the House in 2014.
 
2012-12-29 09:50:32 AM
i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-29 09:50:37 AM
I think if they just get one or two more no-nonsense, no-compromise tea-partiers on board, people will start swinging their way again.
 
2012-12-29 09:52:04 AM

TheBigJerk: [i75.photobucket.com image 640x512]


That story always amazed me. He tells it as though it was a wise lesson from his father, but when I heard him tell all I thought was "wow, this dad seriously farked up his kid".
 
2012-12-29 09:55:34 AM

starsrift: Why the absolute flying fark are we babbling about tax increases instead of the broadaxe of spending reductions that's going to be driven through the government across the board, instead of smartly, selectively, precisely cutting away the parts that do the least damage and are the least necessary?

That's the real farking 'fiscal cliff'.


Because taxes are the sticking point. The democrats are willing to enact spending cuts - probably not happy to, but they'd suck it up and do it.
 
2012-12-29 09:55:53 AM

jayhawk88: Good, you worthless sacks of shiat. You chose to try and use the worst financial crisis in a generation solely for political gain, while the people you supposedly serve, suffered. Bad enough when you all are simply incompetent or selling your services to the highest bidder, but to actively try and make things worse, just to make the sitting President look bad, is evil and unforgivable. You all deserve to lose everything in your life that gives you any kind of financial security, I hope each and every one of you finds yourself alone and desperate on the streets.


Boehner already agreed to most of the tax increases Obama has asked for. Obama meanwhile hasn't offered a penny of spending cuts - just reductions in a proposed rate of increase. Instead of a 9Tn deficit over the next 10 years, we'd be faced with a 7.4Tn deficit over the next 10 years. New revenue, meanwhile makes up maybe a trillion or two more but Obama's still asked for half a Trillion in public works stimulus. Also, keep in mind we're going to be back here in 10 years saying that the interest in the debt has swallowed any gains that these cliff negotiations had achieved. One party is sort of serious about new revenue. The other party doesn't give a shiat about spending.

If I vow to cut 10,000 worth of spending out of my budget next year, I dont do so by purchasing a $150,000 Ferrari instead of a $160,000 Lamborghini
 
2012-12-29 09:56:09 AM
I love how Republicans biatch about 'deficit spending' and now that that is about to be resolved in dramatic form, its a bad thing.
 
2012-12-29 09:57:02 AM
I really don't see where these people see they aren't liable for more than half the blame.

1) Rather than attempt to negotiate with Democrats, Bush decided to pass his tax cuts through reconciliation, which required the tax cuts expire in 2010 unless they paid for themselves. (These cuts were extended 2 years as part of a deal between Congress and Obama after the 2010 Midterms in exchange for extending payroll tax cuts, unemployment benefits, and a few recurring issues like the doc fix for the same period.)

2) Republicans decided that despite negative real interest rates on t bills that they would hold the debt ceiling hostage, and claimed they would let the government default if Obama did not cut the budget (that Congress had passed) significantly. Ultimately they signed an agreement for a major across the board cut unless both parties could come up with a compromise that both parties would agree to.

3) The supercommittee failed to come up with a solution, and in the subsequent negotiations have refused to budge an inch on taxes, even when Democrats offered pretty severe entitlement cuts (the equivalent sacred cow for their side.) Even when their own Speaker offered to only raise marginal tax rates on millionares (while also extending estate tax and capital gains tax cuts that would primarily benefit them) their own party revolted against the idea, despite a majority of Republicans agreeing that the original tax increases on the rich Obama proposed are acceptable.

They led us here every step of the way, and are now complaining that they'll get blamed if Democrats don't swerve in this game of chicken that they proposed and have been playing for the last four years.
 
2012-12-29 09:58:02 AM

o5iiawah: jayhawk88: Good, you worthless sacks of shiat. You chose to try and use the worst financial crisis in a generation solely for political gain, while the people you supposedly serve, suffered. Bad enough when you all are simply incompetent or selling your services to the highest bidder, but to actively try and make things worse, just to make the sitting President look bad, is evil and unforgivable. You all deserve to lose everything in your life that gives you any kind of financial security, I hope each and every one of you finds yourself alone and desperate on the streets.

Boehner already agreed to most of the tax increases Obama has asked for. Obama meanwhile hasn't offered a penny of spending cuts - just reductions in a proposed rate of increase. Instead of a 9Tn deficit over the next 10 years, we'd be faced with a 7.4Tn deficit over the next 10 years. New revenue, meanwhile makes up maybe a trillion or two more but Obama's still asked for half a Trillion in public works stimulus. Also, keep in mind we're going to be back here in 10 years saying that the interest in the debt has swallowed any gains that these cliff negotiations had achieved. One party is sort of serious about new revenue. The other party doesn't give a shiat about spending.

If I vow to cut 10,000 worth of spending out of my budget next year, I dont do so by purchasing a $150,000 Ferrari instead of a $160,000 Lamborghini


If this is the GOP stance, why is Boehner not asking for any of this?
 
2012-12-29 09:58:34 AM
EVERYTHING WILL ASPLODE
 
2012-12-29 09:58:51 AM

Mrtraveler01: mat catastrophe: HAHA! I'M POOR AS HELL SO MY TAX RATES DON'T GO UP.

SUCK IT, MIDDLE CLASS ASSHOLES! THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!

Does this mean you're going to "Go Galt" on us?

/Contrary to what you may think, you won't be missed


Contrary to what you think, none of what you said makes any sense. Poor people do not "Go Galt". Poor people can try to convince themselves that they are John Galt, but they are not.

So, if you'd like to make another attempt at insulting me, go ahead.
 
2012-12-29 09:59:22 AM

o5iiawah: Boehner already agreed to most of the tax increases Obama has asked for.


The best offer Boehner has proposed is not renewing the increases for people making $400,000, a damn sight higher than Obama's $250K. And that's not even mentioning the fact that the Dick knows he'd never be able to get enough votes to get that plan passed.

Negotiations in bad faith do not count as honest offers.
 
2012-12-29 10:00:17 AM

Grungehamster: I really don't see where these people see they aren't liable for more than half the blame.


Because the powers that be don't blame them either. I'm gonna quote form a great EK article:

Twitter has been rather amused by Starbucks' plan to solve the fiscal cliff by scrawling "come together" on every peppermint mocha and salted caramel latte sold in the Beltway. But I want to take the project a bit more seriously. But the specific sentiment - what you might call the ideology of "come togetherism" - is, ironically, one of the big reasons that nothing in Washington ever seems to get solved and that the two sides never seem to come together.


I don't think you can look at the last three years and say the White House hasn't tried to come together with the Republicans.

I also don't think you can look at the last three years and say the Republicans have tried to come together with the White House.

The check on that sort of behavior is blame. If Republicans are being intransigent and the American people want compromise, then, in theory, the Republicans will get blamed. And that does seem to be happening: The GOP polls terribly, and they lost the 2012 election.

But at the elite level - which encompasses everyone from CEOs to media professionals - there's a desire to keep up good relations on both sides of the aisle. And so it's safer, when things are going wrong, to offer an anodyne criticism that offends nobody - "both sides should come together!" - then to actually blame one side or the other. It's a way to be angry about Washington's failure without alienating anyone powerful. That goes doubly for commercial actors, like Starbucks, that need to sell coffee to both Republicans and Democrats.

That breaks the system.
It hurts the basic mechanism of accountability, which is the public's ability to apportion blame. If one side's intransigence will lead to both sides getting blamed, then it makes perfect sense to be intransigent: You'll get all the benefits and only half the blame.
 
2012-12-29 10:00:42 AM
The GOP put themselves into this position by making the Bush tax cuts temporary. They thought they could make it a perpetual election winning issue. Too bad for them!
 
2012-12-29 10:01:09 AM

Karac: The best offer Boehner has proposed is not renewing the increases for people making $400,000, a damn sight higher than Obama's $250K.


This was Obama's proposal, not Boehner's. The GOP rejected this offer. Remember, the GOP "Plan B" was to only raise taxes on people with incomes over $1,000,000, and they rejected even that.
 
2012-12-29 10:02:09 AM

mat catastrophe: Mrtraveler01: mat catastrophe: HAHA! I'M POOR AS HELL SO MY TAX RATES DON'T GO UP.

SUCK IT, MIDDLE CLASS ASSHOLES! THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!

Does this mean you're going to "Go Galt" on us?

/Contrary to what you may think, you won't be missed

Contrary to what you think, none of what you said makes any sense. Poor people do not "Go Galt". Poor people can try to convince themselves that they are John Galt, but they are not.

So, if you'd like to make another attempt at insulting me, go ahead.


Sorry, I misread your post. I haven't had enough coffee yet this morning.
 
2012-12-29 10:03:21 AM

DamnYankees: Karac: The best offer Boehner has proposed is not renewing the increases for people making $400,000, a damn sight higher than Obama's $250K.

This was Obama's proposal, not Boehner's. The GOP rejected this offer. Remember, the GOP "Plan B" was to only raise taxes on people with incomes over $1,000,000, and they rejected even that.


Well, my bad; thanks for the correction. But those numbers just make my case even more that the GOP is the party that's not willing to bend even an inch.
 
2012-12-29 10:03:39 AM
I'm waiting to see how much physician reimbursement will be cut from Medicare. Instead of destroying it outright, lawmakers have made it almost financially impossible for doctors to accept Medicare. If the 29% cut goes through, the fun begins. Good job guys. Good job.
/not a physician
//knows a few nervous physicians however
 
2012-12-29 10:03:51 AM
All because the mainline GOP is too cowardly to stand up to the conservative minority in their party.
 
2012-12-29 10:04:23 AM
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2012-12-29 10:05:36 AM
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2012-12-29 10:05:36 AM

DubyaHater: I'm waiting to see how much physician reimbursement will be cut from Medicare. Instead of destroying it outright, lawmakers have made it almost financially impossible for doctors to accept Medicare. If the 29% cut goes through, the fun begins. Good job guys. Good job.
/not a physician
//knows a few nervous physicians however


Nervous physicians don't mean anything, to be honest. They will continue to accept medicare.

Doctors are tradesman like any other. They don't like it when they face a possible cut in profits. But they are doing fine and will hardly be bankrupted by lower medicare payments.
 
2012-12-29 10:07:48 AM

o5iiawah: jayhawk88: Good, you worthless sacks of shiat. You chose to try and use the worst financial crisis in a generation solely for political gain, while the people you supposedly serve, suffered. Bad enough when you all are simply incompetent or selling your services to the highest bidder, but to actively try and make things worse, just to make the sitting President look bad, is evil and unforgivable. You all deserve to lose everything in your life that gives you any kind of financial security, I hope each and every one of you finds yourself alone and desperate on the streets.

Boehner already agreed to most of the tax increases Obama has asked for. Obama meanwhile hasn't offered a penny of spending cuts - just reductions in a proposed rate of increase. Instead of a 9Tn deficit over the next 10 years, we'd be faced with a 7.4Tn deficit over the next 10 years. New revenue, meanwhile makes up maybe a trillion or two more but Obama's still asked for half a Trillion in public works stimulus. Also, keep in mind we're going to be back here in 10 years saying that the interest in the debt has swallowed any gains that these cliff negotiations had achieved. One party is sort of serious about new revenue. The other party doesn't give a shiat about spending.

If I vow to cut 10,000 worth of spending out of my budget next year, I dont do so by purchasing a $150,000 Ferrari instead of a $160,000 Lamborghini


Why does Obama need to 'offer' the spending cuts? Can't Boehner propose said cuts? Oh, thats right; because the cuts Republicans want are extremely unpopular, and Republicans want political cover for forcing unpopular cuts to entitlements by blaming the cuts on Obama because he 'proposed' them.

And here you are blaming Obama for not walking into that trap.
 
2012-12-29 10:08:22 AM

lexslamman: All because the mainline GOP is too cowardly to stand up to the conservative minority in their party.


Exactly this.

If Boehner put forth the bill the Senate passed in July to keep rates the same for incomes below $250k it would pass...but that's exactly what he's afraid of. The farking craven piece of shiat.
 
2012-12-29 10:09:13 AM

lexslamman: All because the mainline GOP is too cowardly to stand up to the conservative minority in their party.


Since when are conservatives a minority of the GOP?
 
2012-12-29 10:10:53 AM

mat catastrophe: HAHA! I'M POOR AS HELL SO MY TAX RATES DON'T GO UP.

SUCK IT, MIDDLE CLASS ASSHOLES! THIS IS WHAT YOU VOTED FOR! THIS IS WHAT YOU GET!


Actually the poorest people will get hit the hardest on the marginal level. The lowest tax bracket is going to disappear completely, so there is a 5% increase on every dollar made up to $8,700(single)/$17,400(married), the same amount for every dollar made up to $35,350/$70,700, 3% on every dollar made up to $388,350, and 4.6% on every dollar made after that. Add in an extra 2% FICA for every dollar earned up to $106,800 and as far as earned income is concerned the most marginal people will be hardest hit, not even going into the cuts to benefits we can expect.

There are the estate and capital gains rates to consider that will hit upper income individuals harder, but "I don't make enough to see my taxes increase!" is incorrect unless you don't earn income at all.
 
2012-12-29 10:11:39 AM

Shrugging Atlas: lexslamman: All because the mainline GOP is too cowardly to stand up to the conservative minority in their party.

Exactly this.

If Boehner put forth the bill the Senate passed in July to keep rates the same for incomes below $250k it would pass...but that's exactly what he's afraid of. The farking craven piece of shiat.


Don't they have some rule that no bill will be introduced unless it has majority republican support? What happens if Boehner breaks that rule?
 
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