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2012-12-29 12:31:06 PM

Mrbogey: Also, you're only citing gun crime. You really think it's better to be beat or stabbed to death than shot? How does the math work on that?


Are stab wounds as dangerous as gun shot wounds?

Kinda old, but does address your question. I've not checked its sources, or made any attempt to verify its findings.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:43 PM

Vimto: 39 British Subjects agree with subby; 9,763 US Citizens do not.

/The population of the UK is ~20% of that of the US
//Far more likely to have your TV stolen in the UK though, which much be partial consolation for being brutally murdered.


Yeah, but that's just from the BBC's License Vans.
 
2012-12-29 12:32:17 PM

HighlanderRPI: Ah Britain, the country whose citizenry turned their guns to plowshares after WWI and had to come crying to the US for small arms to defend themselves from an invasion after the Luftwaffe came calling.


Oh, but that will never happen again because people say so.
 
2012-12-29 12:33:03 PM

snuff3r: TFA: "the british problem"

You know what you stupid American guntards, have you considered the fact that there a quite a few countries out there where the vast majority don't actually WANT people running around with guns.


Enjoy your police state.
 
2012-12-29 12:34:24 PM

cryinoutloud: Kit Fister: Be prepared, fear nothing.

Your gun doesn't protect you from car accidents, natural disasters, cheating spouses, losing your job, cancer, your loved ones dying, and oh, most people who'd want to shoot you, since you won't be expecting it and won't be fast enough to protect yourself. So what is it you're "prepared" for? Only the scenario in your head where you get to shoot the bad guy and be a hero. Which has much less chance of happening than any of the things I just listed.


Protecting myself from car accidents is achieved by driving defensively, obeying the traffic laws, and assuming that other drivers don't know jack shiat about how to drive. Has served me well so far.

Natural Disasters - Worst natural disaster we're likely to get here in MI is a bad blizzard. To that end, I have a wood stove in my house, candles, blankets, etc. We also have a well installed that has a secondary interface capable of taking a hand pump to draw water in case of an extended power outage. I live on a farm and raise chickens and cows, as well, so, worst case, I have a source for milk, eggs, beef, and plenty of tillable area for corn, wheat, oats, etc.

Cheating spouses - Nothing to really "protect" myself from on this one. I'm prepared for the eventuality by having the agreement with my spouse that if she chooses to cheat, she leaves. We're pretty open and honest with each other.

Losing my job - Savings account, unemployment insurance, and a host of viable skills. Plus, being pretty well paid up on all of my bills to the tune of being ahead by 6-8 months on everything and no debt covers that.

Cancer - Illnesses that may kill me, nothing I can do to "prepare" for that except to eat healthy, exercise, not smoke or drink, and generally live a life that allows me to enjoy what I want to do, figuring that should I get Cancer or something incurable, I'll have one last hurrah in mexico and go out with a load of horse drugs.

My loved ones dying - I've lost three out of four grand parents, an uncle, a father, two great uncles, and my fair share of friends already. Nothing prepares you for that, but accepting it and being able to move on by remembering them does a fair job of making this such a pathetic issue to list on here that I wonder why you'd bother.

"Most guys who'd want to kill me" - Most people who would "want" to kill me are people that'd want to steal from me, or be people I wouldn't want to associate with. A life of avoidance and deescalation solves most of that problem -- if you're not where the bad guys are likely to be, then you're unlikely to get your ass shot off. Don't want to run into a Bear? Don't go where you see Bear sign. A lot of times, too, if you practice kindness towards others, you don't run into a problem. But I've also been in situations where I've been targeted and attack for no logical reasons. Never had to shoot anyone, but i've been fortunate enough to know far enough in advance something was wrong to have the gun half out before they pulled their shiat. They see it, everyone walks away quietly.

You are under the assumption that I am either slow, or lazy, or incapable of handling a firearm for self defense. I'm not Wyatt Erp, and this ain't the old west, so a fast draw and facing down a bad guy on the street at 20 yards is a fantasy. What I've learned in my years is that you know bad is coming before it comes, if you pay attention. I train relentlessly and hard to make sure that I'm decent with my gun, and that I'm capable of using it when I need to. I shoot competition sports, and I attend various LEO-sponsored training academies and seminars to keep up on tactics and the Law.

Shooting is my hobby, and it is also how I make my living, both through training and through gunsmithing. I'm under no illusions that a gun is the decider, or even anything more than a tool to be employed should every other possible option fail to resolve or avoid the confrontation/that outcome.

Hence, Be prepared.
 
2012-12-29 12:34:46 PM

bikkurikun: The_Sponge:

Freedom is having the means to protect yourself, your family, and your property.

Just because you guys gave up your rights, don't expect us to do the same,

Protect against who? Protection against the government is useless, because the government will always have more, bigger and better guns. This isn't the 1800's anymore. This is why even small town police in the US has and needs military grade weapons. If anything, you are turning your country in a less free, autocratic, militaristic, police state, as the government will put in more effort to control the gun-owning citizens.

For protection against other citizens you wouldn't need guns if there are no guns in society.

In short, the only thing gun ownership in a society like the US leads to, is more violent crimes, gun accidents and a police state where people have a very misguided sense of what 'liberty' actually means.


So since the government buys more guns and passes more regulations trying to control people that own guns, those that own guns should give up owning guns as they will no longer be oppressed as gun owners once they no longer own guns?
 
2012-12-29 12:36:03 PM

Mrbogey: You really think it's better to be beat or stabbed to death than shot?


You're much more likely to survive a beating or evade a knife, so I'll take my chances with those.

If guns are no more effective as weapons than knives are, why are the gun nuts so insistent that they need them? Just use a knife instead.
 
2012-12-29 12:38:47 PM

RickN99: Via Infinito: Right subs. I'm sure the "information" provided by guntutor.com is completely true and not a large pile of horse shiat.

So, you're saying there has been no call to ban long knives,


There are calls to ban all sorts of things, that doesn't mean it happens. cf Guns in the U.S.

that guns are a welcome part of an Englishman's home,

For any that want them, yes. My Nephew has had his own shotgun since he was 11.

and that vigorous self-defense is applauded by the British police?

As long as reasonable force is used, rather than gratuitous violence. Link Much like most of the US, I assume.
 
2012-12-29 12:40:35 PM
The Limeys need a license to watch TV. You think their government would grant the the right of self defense?
 
2012-12-29 12:42:45 PM

snuff3r: We had our Newtown massacre and the country chose to ban general gun ownership. We've been happier since.

For those of us who own guns, the long and tedious process we have to go through is worth it.


Not as happy as you could be, though, or you wouldn't be armed.
 
2012-12-29 12:46:06 PM

Rising Ape: Silverstaff: At least we have a written Constitution which acts as a bulwark against the political fad of the day, instead of a Parliament which can choose to throw out a millennium of tradition with a simple majority vote if it wants.

The downside of that is that you're placing the opinions of a few long dead people over those of the current population, which is rather undemocratic. Was the US constitution voted on by the public at large?


The United States of America is a Republic, we are ruled by elected officials. If we don't like what they say or do, we replace them with people who we do support.

The US Constitution was ratified by each of the original 13 states that were members at the time (1789), in ratifying conventions held in each state where delegates elected by the people and appointed by the elected legislature publicly debated on the document, which itself had been drafted in a special convention composed of delegates sent by the legislatures of each state. It legally took effect when 9 of the 13 had ratified it, but all 13 approved of the document. Each amendment then had to be ratified, including the right to bear arms in the second amendment (and the Constitution was only ratified by many states on the promise that it would include a bill of rights as later amendments).

Some state governments do have direct referendums on issues, but not at the Federal level.

The will of the people can change the US Constitution, however, it takes a massive political consensus to do so.

Any amendment must be supported by a 2/3 majority of both the House of Representatives and the Senate, as well as majority votes of the legislatures of 3/4 of the states. This is specifically to protect the rights of the minority from the tyranny of the majority. The Constitution is our ground rules, the Bill of Rights are the things that as a culture we have long agreed are the basic freedoms and ground rules that everybody gets, and just because 51% of the population thinks otherwise one day they don't get to change it. To change the basic rules requires a nationwide consensus on an issue that holds over a period of years, not just a knee-jerk reaction to a single tragedy.

If it was the overwhelming consensus of the US to ban guns, yeah, we'd elect officials that would back a repeal of the Second Amendment, but right now you've barely got a slim majority that supports any increase in gun control, and support for total abolition is quite small indeed. In fact, that consensus would have to hold for several years because of terms of office, a massive change in the makeup of the Senate would take 6 years (another intentional design to insulate the law from the fad of the day or a passing whim.)
 
2012-12-29 12:46:27 PM
jaybeezey: Nice opinion, feel free to put it back in the ass you pulled it from when you're done with it.

derp derp derp. Gotcha. You forgot the quasi insinuation that because I didn't serve in the military that I have no right to open my yap. derp derp derp.
 
2012-12-29 12:47:09 PM

CujoQuarrel: Vimto: 39 British Subjects agree with subby; 9,763 US Citizens do not.

/The population of the UK is ~20% of that of the US
//Far more likely to have your TV stolen in the UK though, which much be partial consolation for being brutally murdered.

Yeah, but that's just from the BBC's License Vans.


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2012-12-29 12:50:48 PM

Rising Ape: Mrbogey: You really think it's better to be beat or stabbed to death than shot?

You're much more likely to survive a beating or evade a knife, so I'll take my chances with those.

If guns are no more effective as weapons than knives are, why are the gun nuts so insistent that they need them? Just use a knife instead.


I'd rather have a briefcase.

loadoutroom.com
 
2012-12-29 12:52:31 PM

Bomb Head Mohammed: Ah, the usual "freedom" BS. If you want freedom, move to somalia: no taxes, perfect unregulated capitalist economy, and all the guns you want.

Face up to it: you want guns because you want guns because you want guns. If you were truly concerned about 'safety' for you and your family, you'd be for sensible gun control and regulation laws and for stronger laws against illegal posession. but you're not. you're for guns because you like guns, and because ultimately you're a bit of sociopath -- and i mean that in technical, not pejorative sense. Like some anti-vaccination eedjit, you'd rather have a bit of false security for you even if it is at the expense of society as a whole. And make no mistake: it is at the expense of society as a whole.

To be clear: I am not against private ownership of guns if that occurs in a regulated, sensible way. Heck, I'm even all for letting private citizens shoot full automatics and even artillery if it's done at sanctioned, licensed, and regulated private ranges and clubs with the ammo stored under lock and key in a sensble, regulted, secure way. this would be the best solution for the USA.. but, eedjits like you arent proposing that. instead, the NRA fights against even the most commonsense reforms to gun laws and selfish, sociopathic morans push the 'safety' myth to rationalize what must ultimately be called their greed.

it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'freedom.'


Yea pretty much this. I know some of these rabid pro-gun dudes. They talk about hunting and self defense a lot but it's pretty obvious this is just a convenient excuse for why they have assault rifles, fatigues, boots, vests and whatever other army gear they have stashed away in their basements. The real reason they are into this stuff is because it's so damn cool. They have Rambo fantasies of running around in the woods blasting all the bad guys. Never mind that not a one of them has ever been in a violent encounter in their life and they'd probably poop they're pants if they were ever in a real shootout.

When little boys are into this it's kinda funny, when grown men are into it it's a little sad. I respect their right to pursue their hobby in the fullest I just don't think they should have actual assault rifles. Get a paintball gun and blast the crap out of each other. Or, if you really wanna play with the big boys join the damn army and play with all the guns you want. Just leave it out of our neighborhoods and schools please.
 
2012-12-29 12:52:40 PM
This is why we can't have nice teeth.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:16 PM

Rising Ape: Mrbogey: You really think it's better to be beat or stabbed to death than shot?

You're much more likely to survive a beating or evade a knife, so I'll take my chances with those.

If guns are no more effective as weapons than knives are, why are the gun nuts so insistent that they need them? Just use a knife instead.


From a lethality and wounding perspective, knife wounds tend to do about as much damage as handgun bullets, and in some ways, are worse than bullet wounds. The only advantage a bullet has is range.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:29 PM
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

Relevant to this discussion:
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

The rights of the people are protected solely by their own individual right to possess and use firearms. Those who give up their right to self-defense eventually give up everything else as well.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:49 PM

Vimto: 39 British Subjects agree with subby; 9,763 US Citizens do not.

/The population of the UK is ~20% of that of the US
//Far more likely to have your TV stolen in the UK though, which much be partial consolation for being brutally murdered.


This tells me that if your country gave each and every citizen a free TV, the crime rate would go down.

Also put webcams on the TVs so you can keep an eye on your subjects indoors, too.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:05 PM
Why don't you ask some of the 50,000 people whose property and livelihoods were destroyed in the London riots how much they liked being in a country where they had no means to defend themselves.
 
2012-12-29 12:56:18 PM
We had our Newtown massacre and the country chose to ban general gun ownership. We've been happier since.

Why have you been happier?

Since you banned (most) guns, you've had another massacre in 2010. Your non-gun crime is the highest in Europe and beats the tar out of the US (that's rapes, robberies and assaults).

Oh, and your gun crime? It farking DOUBLED.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5211636.stm
 
2012-12-29 12:56:57 PM
I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?
 
2012-12-29 12:59:32 PM

Frank N Stein: I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?


You know what they say about men buying sports cars?
 
2012-12-29 01:00:02 PM

Frank N Stein: I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?


So how many times did you orgasm while typing that?
 
2012-12-29 01:00:23 PM
This seems legit, not unbiased or anything, like FOX News.
 
2012-12-29 01:00:45 PM

ElBarto79: Bomb Head Mohammed: Ah, the usual "freedom" BS. If you want freedom, move to somalia: no taxes, perfect unregulated capitalist economy, and all the guns you want.

Face up to it: you want guns because you want guns because you want guns. If you were truly concerned about 'safety' for you and your family, you'd be for sensible gun control and regulation laws and for stronger laws against illegal posession. but you're not. you're for guns because you like guns, and because ultimately you're a bit of sociopath -- and i mean that in technical, not pejorative sense. Like some anti-vaccination eedjit, you'd rather have a bit of false security for you even if it is at the expense of society as a whole. And make no mistake: it is at the expense of society as a whole.

To be clear: I am not against private ownership of guns if that occurs in a regulated, sensible way. Heck, I'm even all for letting private citizens shoot full automatics and even artillery if it's done at sanctioned, licensed, and regulated private ranges and clubs with the ammo stored under lock and key in a sensble, regulted, secure way. this would be the best solution for the USA.. but, eedjits like you arent proposing that. instead, the NRA fights against even the most commonsense reforms to gun laws and selfish, sociopathic morans push the 'safety' myth to rationalize what must ultimately be called their greed.

it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'freedom.'

Yea pretty much this. I know some of these rabid pro-gun dudes. They talk about hunting and self defense a lot but it's pretty obvious this is just a convenient excuse for why they have assault rifles, fatigues, boots, vests and whatever other army gear they have stashed away in their basements. The real reason they are into this stuff is because it's so damn cool. They have Rambo fantasies of running around in the woods blasting all the bad guys. Never mind that not a one of them has ever been in a violent encounter in their life and they'd p ...


Yep, I like guns. I own guns because I like guns. I don't think anyone has ever said they didn't. This does not negate the enjoyment of hunting, or the use of firearms in defense of home or person.

Besides, as we've already seen, commonsense legislation has totally stopped drug use, underage drinking, drunk driving, selling tainted medication, preventing robbery, rape, fraud, identity theft, movie piracy, music piracy, undocumented immigration, kiddie rape, etc. WHy would I expect a bloated, incompetent government with understaffed police agencies that show up in the news on an almost daily basis violating the rights of people (or committing crimes etc.) to protect me? Why would I feel SAFER in a culture that, even without the presence of firearms, ignores crimes being committed and fails to report suspicious behavior because they don't want to get involved?

Frankly, if I'm not willing to protect myself and be responsible for myself, ain't no one else going to do it.
 
2012-12-29 01:01:45 PM

flsprtsgod: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good" -- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

Relevant to this discussion:
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." -- Mahatma Gandhi

The rights of the people are protected solely by their own individual right to possess and use firearms. Those who give up their right to self-defense eventually give up everything else as well.


Well those are clearly just filthy communists talking.
 
2012-12-29 01:01:52 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Frank N Stein: I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?

You know what they say about men buying sports cars?


They like sports cars?
 
2012-12-29 01:03:39 PM

Frank N Stein: Wolf_Blitzer: Frank N Stein: I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?

You know what they say about men buying sports cars?

They like sports cars?


No, they like pancakes and have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2012-12-29 01:03:42 PM

Kit Fister: ElBarto79: Bomb Head Mohammed: Ah, the usual "freedom" BS. If you want freedom, move to somalia: no taxes, perfect unregulated capitalist economy, and all the guns you want.

Face up to it: you want guns because you want guns because you want guns. If you were truly concerned about 'safety' for you and your family, you'd be for sensible gun control and regulation laws and for stronger laws against illegal posession. but you're not. you're for guns because you like guns, and because ultimately you're a bit of sociopath -- and i mean that in technical, not pejorative sense. Like some anti-vaccination eedjit, you'd rather have a bit of false security for you even if it is at the expense of society as a whole. And make no mistake: it is at the expense of society as a whole.

To be clear: I am not against private ownership of guns if that occurs in a regulated, sensible way. Heck, I'm even all for letting private citizens shoot full automatics and even artillery if it's done at sanctioned, licensed, and regulated private ranges and clubs with the ammo stored under lock and key in a sensble, regulted, secure way. this would be the best solution for the USA.. but, eedjits like you arent proposing that. instead, the NRA fights against even the most commonsense reforms to gun laws and selfish, sociopathic morans push the 'safety' myth to rationalize what must ultimately be called their greed.

it has nothing whatsoever to do with 'freedom.'

Yea pretty much this. I know some of these rabid pro-gun dudes. They talk about hunting and self defense a lot but it's pretty obvious this is just a convenient excuse for why they have assault rifles, fatigues, boots, vests and whatever other army gear they have stashed away in their basements. The real reason they are into this stuff is because it's so damn cool. They have Rambo fantasies of running around in the woods blasting all the bad guys. Never mind that not a one of them has ever been in a violent encounter in their life a ...


Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.
 
2012-12-29 01:05:06 PM

Pincy: Frank N Stein: I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?

So how many times did you orgasm while typing that?


Nope, just getting a leg up on the eventual lingo used when you guys realize the civilian marksmanship program exists
 
2012-12-29 01:05:16 PM

Frank N Stein: Wolf_Blitzer: Frank N Stein: I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?

You know what they say about men buying sports cars?

They like sports cars?


Just to repeat what Pincy said, how many times did you orgasm while sharing your gun porn with us?
 
2012-12-29 01:07:03 PM

Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.


I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.
 
2012-12-29 01:07:48 PM
I like how everyone in here, on both sides, is calm, doesn't use inflammatory rhetoric, and uses logical arguments in an educated attempt to persuade the holders of the opposing view.
 
2012-12-29 01:08:21 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.


Come again?
 
2012-12-29 01:08:57 PM

Tanthalas39: I like how everyone in here, on both sides, is calm, doesn't use inflammatory rhetoric, and uses logical arguments in an educated attempt to persuade the holders of the opposing view.


How many times did you orgasm while writing that?
 
2012-12-29 01:09:27 PM

Kit Fister: Besides, as we've already seen, commonsense legislation has totally stopped drug use, underage drinking, drunk driving, selling tainted medication, preventing robbery, rape, fraud, identity theft, movie piracy, music piracy, undocumented immigration, kiddie rape, etc. WHy would I expect a bloated, incompetent government with understaffed police agencies that show up in the news on an almost daily basis violating the rights of people (or committing crimes etc.) to protect me? Why would I feel SAFER in a culture that, even without the presence of firearms, ignores crimes being committed and fails to report suspicious behavior because they don't want to get involved?


Gun grabbers don't like having that pointed out to them. I wonder what the correlation rate is between people pushing for abolition of guns thinking it will eliminate gun violence, and people who smoke marijuana? Or between people who want guns legally abolished and think guns will magically go away, but still download illegal mp3s or pirated TV shows and movies?

As I've pointed out MANY times, in World War II, the Dutch Resistance made submachine guns with raw metal and basic machine tools, using a bike shop as a secret gunsmith. The plans for such guns are easily available on the internet. With machine tools you could find in any town or city, basic sheet metal and ingots, and a High School Shop Class level of skill you can turn out mediocre, but quite functioning firearms.

It's generally not done now because weapons are easily available through legal channels, but you better believe there are people with those plans who would make them if they had no other choice to get firearms.

I remember when, I, as a teenager, realized you could never ban guns. It was while looking at an exhibit at my State Fair, back in the early 90's. The Kentucky Department of Corrections had a big exhibit of contraband that had been seized from prisoners that year.

There was a wall of shanks and shivs, as you might expect. There was also a very large exhibit, dozens in fact, of zip guns. That is when I realized that if an incarcerated prisoner can make a firearm, you'll never keep them out of the hands of criminals, but you can easily keep them away from the law abiding.
 
2012-12-29 01:09:31 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.


You have a need to kill people? Please have yourself evaluated by a psychiatrist as you are a danger to yourself and others.
 
2012-12-29 01:09:46 PM

dr-shotgun: We had our Newtown massacre and the country chose to ban general gun ownership. We've been happier since.

Why have you been happier?

Since you banned (most) guns, you've had another massacre in 2010. Your non-gun crime is the highest in Europe and beats the tar out of the US (that's rapes, robberies and assaults).

Oh, and your gun crime? It farking DOUBLED.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5211636.stm


And what is the concern expressed in your link? The failure of gun control laws or a loophole in them?
 
2012-12-29 01:10:54 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Frank N Stein: Wolf_Blitzer: Frank N Stein: I'm just pissed that I'm prices out of the AR market until this talk of gun banning nonsense blows over (which it will. This is just a distraction/bargaining chip for fiscal cliff talks)

I guess I'll just have to settle with getting a semi-automatic M1 battle rifle with high power armor piercing rounds shipped directly to my door (and subsidized by the government). Yes, this is a real thing. You mad anti-gunners?

You know what they say about men buying sports cars?

They like sports cars?

Just to repeat what Pincy said, how many times did you orgasm while sharing your gun porn with us?


None. I'm just here waiting for the backlash when you guys discover the CMP

/high powered battle rifles!
//SHIPPED TO YOUR HOUSE!!!!
 
2012-12-29 01:11:25 PM

Silly Jesus: Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.

Come again?


All this talk about taking "personal responsibility" for our own needs. I don't feel that I need to be able to kill someone at any possible moment.
 
2012-12-29 01:12:37 PM

Cyno01: So if i can try to understand the liberal mindset... banning guns is supposed to solve all our societies problems and no one will ever die again ever, but banning drugs has worked out horribly and we should give up the war on drugs completely because laws dont stop criminals. Got it.


You can't storm an elementary school and kill 26 people with a bag of weed.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:40 PM

Frank N Stein: Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.

You have a need to kill people? Please have yourself evaluated by a psychiatrist as you are a danger to yourself and others.


Your the one regaling us with the details of your firearms. You can't exactly build a bridge with a firearm; they're designed to kill. That is their purpose. If you feel it necessary to own a gun, it follows that you want to be prepared to kill someone.
 
2012-12-29 01:15:19 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.

Come again?

All this talk about taking "personal responsibility" for our own needs. I don't feel that I need to be able to kill someone at any possible moment.


Well congrats. I, though, am within 5 miles of a guy who was killed last week by some thugs breaking into his home. I'd like the option to fight back if the same were to happen at my home. Is that "feeling a need to be able to kill someone?"
 
2012-12-29 01:15:20 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.

Come again?

All this talk about taking "personal responsibility" for our own needs. I don't feel that I need to be able to kill someone at any possible moment.


All this talk about taking "personal responsibility" for our needs. I don't feel the need to be able to put out a fire in my home at any possible moment.

Time to throw out the fire extinguisher.

/why own a fire extinguisher when the fire department will come to put out a fire?
 
2012-12-29 01:15:45 PM
Personal defense kit, under $10:

1. Piece of 1/4" threaded pipe, schedule 80, 12" long;

2. 1/4" pipe cap;

3. 6d nail, clipped off to about 3/8";

4. .25 caliber center fire cartridge.

Drill through the cap with a 1/16" drill, insert the bullet, screw the cap tight. Attach a wooden handle, and a heavy clapper with rubber bands. Point it at the enemy and strike the nail. Do not assemble the device until you really need it. Keep the pieces separate from one another, preferably off your property.

Immediately after use, dismantle the device, and throw the pieces away in several different places.
 
2012-12-29 01:16:59 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Frank N Stein: Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.

You have a need to kill people? Please have yourself evaluated by a psychiatrist as you are a danger to yourself and others.

Your the one regaling us with the details of your firearms. You can't exactly build a bridge with a firearm; they're designed to kill. That is their purpose. If you feel it necessary to own a gun, it follows that you want to be prepared to kill someone.


Is this why all of those folks from around the world compete in the Olympics in marksmanship events? They are just itching to kill someone?

That's a pretty asinine line of reasoning. You really think that target and clay shooters are just undercover murderers?
 
2012-12-29 01:17:03 PM

GORDON: Vimto: 39 British Subjects agree with subby; 9,763 US Citizens do not.

/The population of the UK is ~20% of that of the US
//Far more likely to have your TV stolen in the UK though, which much be partial consolation for being brutally murdered.

This tells me that if your country gave each and every citizen a free TV, the crime rate would go down.

Also put webcams on the TVs so you can keep an eye on your subjects indoors, too.


I don't think that would work, to be honest, they'd probably still steal them so that someone could have more than one. That would make it an illegal TV, as opposed to a legal one. Think that's ridiculous? It happens with guns too.
 
2012-12-29 01:19:12 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Frank N Stein: Wolf_Blitzer: Silly Jesus: Shhh, personal responsibility is not welcome in these here parts. They will mockingly call you "boot strappy" if you aren't dependent on the government for your every whim and need.

I can't say that I'm really dependent on the government for my need to kill people.

You have a need to kill people? Please have yourself evaluated by a psychiatrist as you are a danger to yourself and others.

Your the one regaling us with the details of your firearms. You can't exactly build a bridge with a firearm; they're designed to kill. That is their purpose. If you feel it necessary to own a gun, it follows that you want to be prepared to kill someone.


Ill conceed that point. But I suppose that, living in the south side of Chicago, there is a small (but reasonable) chance that one day someone will try to kill me. Hell, we just reached our 500th homicide.

If someone were to attempt to take my life, I would meet that threat with deadly force.
 
2012-12-29 01:19:18 PM

Frank N Stein: All this talk about taking "personal responsibility" for our needs. I don't feel the need to be able to put out a fire in my home at any possible moment.

Time to throw out the fire extinguisher.

/why own a fire extinguisher when the fire department will come to put out a fire?


This.

Thank you, I am going to remember this one for future use against anti-freedom advocates who oppose the right to bear arms.
 
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