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2012-12-29 09:24:15 AM  
It's all right.  I see some families and I envy them, but I see others and I'm at least glad I'm not in that situation.  And the freedom is nice, however it's something that's completely taken for granted after a short time of having all that you want.
 
2012-12-29 09:38:15 AM  
How are 2-3 dogs at a time not the same as having kids that never grow up?
You are constantly a caregiver.
BAH
 
2012-12-29 10:03:11 AM  
Im 41 with no kids nor plans to have any.

And im really ok with that, kids are annoying. Cats arent if you have only one.
 
2012-12-29 10:03:36 AM  
I miss those days of independence and being DINKs, but it's hard to imagine life without my two kids.
 
2012-12-29 10:04:44 AM  
It's ok, thanks for asking.

How are you guys?
 
mjg
2012-12-29 10:05:32 AM  
Sex is not for procreation.
 
2012-12-29 10:09:51 AM  
I hate kids. There, I said it.

/love my nieces and nephew though
 
2012-12-29 10:10:33 AM  
My nephew and niece have horrible parents, so we get the benefits of being parental figures while keeping our income and free time.
 
2012-12-29 10:10:49 AM  
I really hate threads like this. If you have no kids you assume that is best. Yet if you do have children, you assume that is best. To each his own. What I hate however is when people have snarky comments and tell those with children how annoying they are and how much better off they are for not having them.

Children are fking great thanks for asking. They are a pain sometimes, as is any living creature you have to take care of. The payoff however, is simply awesome.
 
2012-12-29 10:11:58 AM  
Oh man its almost as if life, with or without children is only as good as you choose to make it. What a shocker.
 
2012-12-29 10:15:18 AM  

publikenemy: I really hate threads like this. If you have no kids you assume that is best. Yet if you do have children, you assume that is best. To each his own. What I hate however is when people have snarky comments and tell those with children how annoying they are and how much better off they are for not having them.

Children are fking great thanks for asking. They are a pain sometimes, as is any living creature you have to take care of. The payoff however, is simply awesome.


Hypocrisy is so cool
 
2012-12-29 10:17:02 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: publikenemy: I really hate threads like this. If you have no kids you assume that is best. Yet if you do have children, you assume that is best. To each his own. What I hate however is when people have snarky comments and tell those with children how annoying they are and how much better off they are for not having them.

Children are fking great thanks for asking. They are a pain sometimes, as is any living creature you have to take care of. The payoff however, is simply awesome.

Hypocrisy is so cool


Is taking care of a dog or cat not a PIA sometimes?
 
2012-12-29 10:17:52 AM  
She sounds like a self-absorbed boomer. If she had a kid it would have been just another contribution to gen-x that would have grown up angst-ridden at how little attention it got from narcissistic parents.

At least she acknowledged as much.

So, thanks, lady. You suck slightly less than your contemporaries.
 
2012-12-29 10:18:58 AM  
As an adult, if you want kids, it's probably a good idea. If you don't want kids, you shouldn't have them.
 
2012-12-29 10:19:44 AM  
In this thread, people with kids justify their decisions because it would be abhorred to have children but regret that decision, and they also have no way to go back from their original decision. This is not to be confused with what is also in this thread: people without children justifying their decisions because it may be too late to go back on it as well, or they fear being in the place of the people with children that cannot be stuffed back into the womb and or scrotum.

What a revelation we have here. People can't make decisions a second time so they justify the decisions instead of living in sorrow.
 
2012-12-29 10:23:00 AM  

StupidFly: In this thread, people with kids justify their decisions because it would be abhorred to have children but regret that decision, and they also have no way to go back from their original decision. This is not to be confused with what is also in this thread: people without children justifying their decisions because it may be too late to go back on it as well, or they fear being in the place of the people with children that cannot be stuffed back into the womb and or scrotum.

What a revelation we have here. People can't make decisions a second time so they justify the decisions instead of living in sorrow.



Or, maybe some people are just fine with their decisions
 
2012-12-29 10:23:59 AM  
Having gotten almost no sleep last night because of a little one with a cold... yeah, I bet it really is nice.
 
2012-12-29 10:24:40 AM  
Life: It's not about you.
 
2012-12-29 10:24:53 AM  
Plan well for your golden years.
 
2012-12-29 10:25:10 AM  

Lonestar: Im 41 with no kids nor plans to have any.

And im really ok with that, kids are annoying. Cats arent if you have only one.


Dude, that is exactly, almost to the letter, what I was going to post in here. Including the age and the one cat. Eerie.

Especially after being with extended family for the holidays this past week, I know I have no temptation whatsoever to be a dad. I like being an uncle, though. That will suffice.

This was also my first xmas when no one at all asked if I was dating anyone. That was awesome.
 
2012-12-29 10:27:41 AM  
I know LOTS of people who have children, but shouldn't.
 
2012-12-29 10:28:23 AM  
If I hadn't had kids I would have spent all that money on ex-wives instead. And I wouldn't have a grandchild.
 
2012-12-29 10:28:52 AM  
The best part about having kids? Grandkids. Get 'em all sugared up and hyper, then send them home. Preferably with a Mr Microphone.
 
2012-12-29 10:29:31 AM  
Not having kids is only an issue for those that cling to the idea that 1. you must get married before 2. having sex.
 
2012-12-29 10:29:37 AM  
I raised a child of my own, and have helped raise various others. It's all well and good if they eventually get their shiat together and move out on their own. My neighbors still have two "in the basement" after college and false starts at careers. Which would be infinitely worse to me than changing diapers or going through a "drug court" ordeal.
 
Ni!
2012-12-29 10:29:58 AM  
I am quite fond of my crotchfruit but I totally get not wanting any. The freedom, the money, the house that is still clean five farking minutes later...still, though, I wouldn't go back. They're so much fun, all the squeals and giggles and everything being new and exciting. To each their own, eh.
 
2012-12-29 10:31:57 AM  
As a step parent of two kids who both went completely off the rails, thanks to a father who would do anything, no matter how profoundly stupid, to try to put a wedge between his kids and their mom, so that he could declare victory, yeah, I'm really glad I don't have kids.
 
2012-12-29 10:34:12 AM  

publikenemy: StupidFly: In this thread, people with kids justify their decisions because it would be abhorred to have children but regret that decision, and they also have no way to go back from their original decision. This is not to be confused with what is also in this thread: people without children justifying their decisions because it may be too late to go back on it as well, or they fear being in the place of the people with children that cannot be stuffed back into the womb and or scrotum.

What a revelation we have here. People can't make decisions a second time so they justify the decisions instead of living in sorrow.


Or, maybe some people are just fine with their decisions


Nah, it's always more fun to think that behind every seemingly-reasonable reaction normal people have there lurk teeming hordes of pathological anxieties and insecurities. It's especially great because you get to exempt yourself from the analysis (I'm rational, everyone else has issues), and then you feel all warm and superior.

/psychologist, specializing in feeling warm and superior while judging everyone else
 
2012-12-29 10:34:56 AM  
Just ask Jennifer Aniston.
 
2012-12-29 10:37:23 AM  

SoupJohnB: I raised a child of my own, and have helped raise various others. It's all well and good if they eventually get their shiat together and move out on their own. My neighbors still have two "in the basement" after college and false starts at careers. Which would be infinitely worse to me than changing diapers or going through a "drug court" ordeal.


*raising hand sadly*
 
2012-12-29 10:38:46 AM  
At 48 years of age, no kids, I have friends with kids who are much older and friends with kids who are much younger. The younger ones worry constantly about money, to the point where they're not deriving much enjoyment from their children. The older ones biatch constantly about how their grown offspring never come around unless they need money. I know at least two older couples who are raising their grandchildren because their children are too strung out on something or too incarcerated to do it themselves. They're exhausted, and it shows.

Like the writer, I get a lot of "But who will take care of you when you're older?" I always answer, "What makes you think your kids are guaranteed to take care of you when you're older?" I don't dislike children; in fact, I'm particularly fond of kids ages 8-12 (I've had some interesting conversations with my nephews when they were that age, before they turned into disaffected little brat teenagers). But children are no guarantee of anything but a whole lot of heartache and headache. A whole lotta love, too, granted, but you can't have the sweet without the bitter. I'll take my doggie's love over the kiddies anyday -- he comes bitterness-free, and is absurdly grateful for treats and walkies, even though he gets them every day.
 
2012-12-29 10:42:17 AM  
Kids kept my life from being All About Me. I prefer it that way. Others, like the lady in TFA, feel otherwise.

/Yea for birth control: people who don't want kids should not have kids.
 
2012-12-29 10:46:16 AM  
The moment I opened the page I expected the usual dumb-arse banter that people with no children always dish out, and I wasn't shocked when they went and mentioned something about having dogs instead, which they were "like the kids they never had".

For people like this, I'm glad that they didn't have kids because they would have made terrible parents, but the way most "acknowledge" this, is usually in a douchebag way, and this article didn't disappoint.

Of course, there's a good side of not having kids, never having to be responsible for another human being, being able to be free to do anything you'd like without the burden of a child... but don't whine about being alone one day... the people that live "having kids" via other people's children tend to have plenty of issues.

I have children, and it's been very complicated. Some days I wonder how life would have been without them, but I know that my life has been worth more for having them, something that's very hard to explain I guess, to those that never had any.

The fact is, I've been single, I've been without kids at some point, and I've been a father, a parent... something that the ones without kids cannot understand, and no, taking temporary care of someone else's children isn't the same.

For the nieces and nephew thing, for me, almost all the ones I have, have had a difficult life and most have had terrible parents and I do feel that I have to take them under my wing, but in a way that a parent would, not the way that the kid-less uncle and aunt would.
 
2012-12-29 10:47:31 AM  
I have one kid and do not plan on having more.
/What do I get?
 
2012-12-29 10:48:24 AM  

la_cyberchicana: are raising their grandchildren because their children are too strung out on something or too incarcerated to do it themselves. .


So, a little incarceration is a good thing? Just not too much?
 
2012-12-29 10:51:09 AM  
Not having kids is the best decision I ever made. My SO and I still celebrate my sterilization-iversary.
 
pla
2012-12-29 10:51:45 AM  
Like... Having ice cream, and not needing to share it with anyone.

Like Christmas every day, because I have disposable income that doesn't go into buying the latest Trapper Keeper or clothes that will only last six months or fixing the little snot's broken arm.

Like being able to have nice things that some unappreciative little brat won't use to practice their sawing skills or bury them in the backyard on you (some conditions may apply depending on what type of pets you have).

Like doing what I want, when I want, and how I want, without having to schedule (or worse, attend) some god-awful 8YO's dance recital, or listen to "are we there yet?" or worry about where to find the next restaurant that serves all-chicken-fingers-all-the-time-because-the-little-snot-won't-eat-any thing-else.

Like I can have sex with my partner on the dining room table at 7pm and not worry about having DCYF show up in a 4am raid the next day.

Like never needing to apologize to Billy's mom that my precious dear little parasite broke Billy's nose with a watermelon.


What does it feel like? Y'know those fantasies you parents have about getting away from it all, just for a day or two, leaving the kids with grandma and just... sleeping in?

I live that every day.

Enjoy your choice. I sure as hell enjoy mine. :)
 
2012-12-29 10:53:37 AM  
I wasn't "made" to be a mother. I had spared a child from having to have me as one.

So very much THIS. I have always known I would've been the worst mom. Even setting health problems aside, it would have been a bad decision for me and at least I knew that years and years ago and didn't have a problem with it.

I now have a 13 year old stepson, but lack maternal instinct, apparently that part was left out of my brain when I was created. Fortunately, the kid and I have enough in common and I want to teach him how to cook, do his own laundry, support him with his dreams of joining the military and encourage his artistic achievements, etc., so that when he gets out in the world he's not hopeless nor full of dismay; he's a great kid couldn't ask for better. And I have never once looked upon him or my old man and said to myself, gee, I want a baby. I'm not cut out for it, never was, never will be. I make an ok stepmom for an older kid though and love him to pieces and would do anything for him. I don't mind my life being bound up in his, but a baby, no thanks even though I'm still young enough to conceive. We've taken great precautions in my house to ensure that doesn't happen. I am so thankful that I was brought up in a society that allows women to make choices and does not force them into motherhood. I am convinced that being a stepmom is about the best job on earth. Had someone else go through the pain and the diapers and the tantrums and now all I have is a bratty teenager to deal with. I probably would've fostered an older kid anyway, but I can't handle the baby thing. Loads of respect out there for all the biological moms. Your path is not an easy one.
 
2012-12-29 10:54:06 AM  
I had freedom until I was 35, now I have two kids. Yeah, freedom was great, enjoyed every minute of it. And yep, I hated kids, still do in fact. Except mine. Couldn't imagine life without them.

IMO make your choice as an adult (in other words, 25+) and don't look back. You'll make the right choice. Some people are definitely not well suited to raising kids, and recognizing that would save everyone a headache.

/prophylactics should be plentiful and free, it's a good investment
 
2012-12-29 10:55:11 AM  

imfallen_angel: The moment I opened the page I expected the usual dumb-arse banter that people with no children always dish out, and I wasn't shocked when they went and mentioned something about having dogs instead, which they were "like the kids they never had".

For people like this, I'm glad that they didn't have kids because they would have made terrible parents, but the way most "acknowledge" this, is usually in a douchebag way, and this article didn't disappoint.

Of course, there's a good side of not having kids, never having to be responsible for another human being, being able to be free to do anything you'd like without the burden of a child... but don't whine about being alone one day... the people that live "having kids" via other people's children tend to have plenty of issues.

I have children, and it's been very complicated. Some days I wonder how life would have been without them, but I know that my life has been worth more for having them, something that's very hard to explain I guess, to those that never had any.

The fact is, I've been single, I've been without kids at some point, and I've been a father, a parent... something that the ones without kids cannot understand, and no, taking temporary care of someone else's children isn't the same.

For the nieces and nephew thing, for me, almost all the ones I have, have had a difficult life and most have had terrible parents and I do feel that I have to take them under my wing, but in a way that a parent would, not the way that the kid-less uncle and aunt would.


So can you tell us which makes you more explosively outraged, people who don't have kids, but you think they should, or people who do have kids, but you think they shouldn't?
 
2012-12-29 10:55:55 AM  

la_cyberchicana: Like the writer, I get a lot of "But who will take care of you when you're older?" I always answer, "What makes you think your kids are guaranteed to take care of you when you're older?"


Don't be an arse, show them right from wrong, be there for them, show them the world, explain life, and love them as you should and the kids will be there.... is a fair motto to go with.

But it appears to be hard for many.

Something that dog people don't appear to be able to understand, or assume that it doesn't happen.

When I get old, and something were to happens, I know that the kids will be there and do their best. Your dog will probably be dead from old age, or bark a lot if you fall down and break your hip, and turn you into kibble when it gets hungry enough from you not being able to move and fill it's bowl.
 
2012-12-29 10:58:50 AM  

Mouser: Life: It's not about you.


Why the hell shouldn't it be? No, seriously. What cosmic principle did I ever swear fealty to that demands I should sacrifice my happiness for another person? Why is having one or two kids your sacred duty to those potential kids, but not the 5th or 6th? I'm a man. I could, in principle, sire thousands of potential kids. Am I wrong to not bring them into the world? Then what's so special about the first one?

I don't want kids right now because I don't think they would make me happy. If that changes one day, then I will have one. But not more than one, because I want to contribute to negative population growth. Anyone who has more than two kids and calls him/herself an environmentalist is a farking hypocrite.
 
2012-12-29 10:58:56 AM  
So, what i gather from the comments in this post is that people desperately need to talk about how much better their decisions are than someone else's. You guys seem like real joys to be around.
 
pla
2012-12-29 11:01:02 AM  
namatad : How are 2-3 dogs at a time not the same as having kids that never grow up?
publikenemy : Is taking care of a dog or cat not a PIA sometimes?

Imagine a ferret that understands the destructive power of fire and power tools.

Imagine a dog that costs $2k/year in doctors visits and you can't chose "the shot" instead of that insanely expensive procedure.

Imagine leaving your 7YO home alone for the weekend with just a giant bowl of food and a fresh litterbox.

Sure, sometimes, I need to trim mats out of my cat's fur. Take them to their yearly vet visit ($150, done until next year). I play with them daily before feeding them. And the rest of they day, they do their thing, I do mine, occasionally I'll give them a scritch on the chin if one comes within arm's length.

The difference? Parents define their lives around parenting. I just "have" a mostly-self-entertaining pair of cats.
 
2012-12-29 11:02:01 AM  
There are a lot of people who should not have children, and I'm one of those people. I recognize that.
I've been so lucky to find a great guy who doesn't want them either. I don't think it's selfish to not have
children, for me it's just the responsible choice.
 
2012-12-29 11:02:51 AM  

Kibbler: So can you tell us which makes you more explosively outraged, people who don't have kids, but you think they should, or people who do have kids, but you think they shouldn't?


I'm not saying that everyone should have kids, but those that don't, shouldn't believe themselves better... but yet, they do, over and over, then at some point, most whine about missing out.

Funny how most have dogs and need to rant about these dogs though... over and over.

I simply don't like those people...outraged? nah... just finding them pathetic is enough.

Then there's those that are this very thing, have kids anyways, and still treat the dogs better.

It's pretty sad.
 
2012-12-29 11:03:52 AM  
I'm glad I don't have kids because I know I'd make a shiatty father.

Simple as that, really.
 
2012-12-29 11:03:57 AM  

BlousyBrown: There are a lot of people who should not have children, and I'm one of those people. I recognize that.
I've been so lucky to find a great guy who doesn't want them either. I don't think it's selfish to not have
children, for me it's just the responsible choice.


Yeah, this. I should not be anyone's father. It's that simple.
 
2012-12-29 11:04:21 AM  
What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids?

Nice, except for the annoying compulsion to tell everybody What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids.
 
2012-12-29 11:05:37 AM  

sabbacca: So, what i gather from the comments in this post is that people desperately need to talk about how much better their decisions are than someone else's. You guys seem like real joys to be around.


Well, you know how when something happens to someone and the other person that has not a single clue, has never lived anything like it, comes up and say "I know how you feel"...

It's like this, but with lots and lots of derpage.
 
2012-12-29 11:06:24 AM  

Rootus: I had freedom until I was 35, now I have two kids. Yeah, freedom was great, enjoyed every minute of it. And yep, I hated kids, still do in fact. Except mine. Couldn't imagine life without them.

IMO make your choice as an adult (in other words, 25+) and don't look back. You'll make the right choice. Some people are definitely not well suited to raising kids, and recognizing that would save everyone a headache.

/prophylactics should be plentiful and free, it's a good investment


I agree, make your decisions now while you still can-my old man became a father at 28 and by the time the kid is off on his own we will both still have another half of our lives ahead of us and look forward to it.

Any Farkers interested, your local Planned Parenthood clinic offers free condoms on the front desk shelf, take as many as you wish, no questions asked.
 
2012-12-29 11:07:38 AM  
We are programmed to reproduce, and our brains are wired to get rewards from having kids.
 
2012-12-29 11:07:47 AM  

BlousyBrown: There are a lot of people who should not have children, and I'm one of those people. I recognize that.
I've been so lucky to find a great guy who doesn't want them either. I don't think it's selfish to not have
children, for me it's just the responsible choice.


I like the cut of your jibe
 
2012-12-29 11:08:04 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I have one kid and do not plan on having more.
/What do I get?


Perspective.
 
2012-12-29 11:08:33 AM  
ctrl+f 'breeders'....Phase not found


Who are you people and what have you done with the farkers?
 
2012-12-29 11:08:50 AM  

MBooda: What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids?

Nice, except for the annoying compulsion to tell everybody What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids.


LOL... THIS.

It's not for everyone, and lots of kids have crappy parents because of it, but it's no freaking merit badge to state that you'd be a crappy parent.

I do acknowledge and applaud those that do recognize this and get fixed, but a simple "not for me" is enough. (and no, I don't want to hear about your dog, just as much as you don't want to hear about my kids).
 
2012-12-29 11:14:12 AM  

Tommy Moo: Mouser: Life: It's not about you.

Why the hell shouldn't it be? No, seriously. What cosmic principle did I ever swear fealty to that demands I should sacrifice my happiness for another person? Why is having one or two kids your sacred duty to those potential kids, but not the 5th or 6th? I'm a man. I could, in principle, sire thousands of potential kids. Am I wrong to not bring them into the world? Then what's so special about the first one?

I don't want kids right now because I don't think they would make me happy. If that changes one day, then I will have one. But not more than one, because I want to contribute to negative population growth. Anyone who has more than two kids and calls him/herself an environmentalist is a farking hypocrite.


And this, students, is a textbook example of the narcissism that characterizes immaturity.

As for the "what cosmic principle" thing, you are a human. You did not choose to be born a human, but a human is what you are. As such, you function (or not) according to the "design specifications" of our species. Over a century of psychology (and I mean all of it, this is one of the few things that Skinner and Rogers and Adler and Frankl and Baumeister and Zimbardo all agree on) that the more you make life all about you, the worse you do at pretty much every level. High levels of functionality are found when you willingly give of yourself. It doesn't have to be kids, but it does have to be something other than the all-consuming ego.
 
2012-12-29 11:16:43 AM  
45 YO and three kids.

Its pretty clear at this point that they'll be my only worthwhile accomplishment.
 
2012-12-29 11:22:17 AM  
45 YO and kids are grown, and they have turned into the most awesome, productive members of society. Moved out at 18, got good jobs after college, and have never asked for money. Hubby and I are relatively young, financially secure and carefree at this point. That is my reward for 18 years of losing freedom, having no money and the aggravation of raising 2 kids 18 months apart. It really made it all worth it.
 
2012-12-29 11:22:22 AM  

BlousyBrown: There are a lot of people who should not have children, and I'm one of those people. I recognize that.
I've been so lucky to find a great guy who doesn't want them either. I don't think it's selfish to not have
children, for me it's just the responsible choice.


That about sums it up for me (although I found a great gal).

I've heard the "selfish" accusation before. I've never understood how it's selfish to not bring more children into an already overpopulated world.
 
2012-12-29 11:23:25 AM  
As a new father (11 months) of a COMPLETELY unexpected child from a friend (one night stand) I can only say this :

I'm really farking glad I'm 36, have a career, have lived a ridiculously fun, irresponsible, dangerous, life that has included living in many of the major cities in this country. His mom is 26 and it's just now dawning on her, i think (hopeful), that she isn't going to get that. It's farking done - unless she wants to be a bad parent. She realizes now how incredibly irresponsible it was for her to have a child in her financial, family and mental state. She, and the boy, are lucky i'm not some deadbeat shiathead like so many guys are (it's pretty amazing to find out just how many assholes simply walk away! ) and that I make enough money to adequately (and then some) make sure little DV is taken care of.

I guess my point is this : Kids are a lot more fun and rewarding than i ever thought, but i would recommend waiting until after 30 and you have already had a chance to do some fun stuff (whatever that may be). It's a lot of work. LOT OF WORK.

I feel pretty lucky to have this little guy in my life, but i sure as heck wasn't planning on it.

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pla
2012-12-29 11:28:22 AM  
MBooda : Nice, except for the annoying compulsion to tell everybody What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids.

Ahahahaahah... Good one, MBooda!

For every thread like this where we DINKs get to rant, we get to endure a hundred of you breeders constantly trying to justify your own life-choices, on a daily basis.

"Oh, you'd make such a good father!" - No. No, I would not.
"But don't you want kids?" - Nope. Simple enough? So why did you ask again this week?
"Who will carry on your genes/legacy/name?" - US genomics? The census bureau? I don't care?
"Damnit pla, I want grandkids!" - Well then you'd better have a chat with dad before menopause hits!
"Who will take care of you when you get old?" - You mean like your grudging monthly visit to "the home" to see your parents?

No. I don't have a compulsion to tell everyone. I visibly have a LIFE outside school functions and doctor appointments, which does all the "telling" I need.
 
2012-12-29 11:30:39 AM  
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2012-12-29 11:31:15 AM  
Really, I'm the first?

Louis CK on single people.
 
2012-12-29 11:32:28 AM  

Eegah: BlousyBrown: There are a lot of people who should not have children, and I'm one of those people. I recognize that.
I've been so lucky to find a great guy who doesn't want them either. I don't think it's selfish to not have
children, for me it's just the responsible choice.

That about sums it up for me (although I found a great gal).

I've heard the "selfish" accusation before. I've never understood how it's selfish to not bring more children into an already overpopulated world.


It's from bitter parents. You find that parents that are truly happy with their choice, and there are a great many of them, don't feel the need to harass you about having children. My cousins are like that, they have two kids, couldn't be happier with their family, and never give me any shiat for having none and having no plans for any. They made their choice, they are happy in it, they don't feel the need to harp on others.

However there are more than a few parents who are bitter and resentful to people without children and the freedom they have. They are not happy with their choice and so justify it as the only "correct" choice. They hate on those who did things differently because it shows them what they want and cannot have.

As a practical matter, it can be a rather unselfish act to not have kids. If we are to have a stable world, we need to stop the massive population growth. No that can be done China style where the government enforces shiat... or it can be done in a voluntary fashion. Some people have no children and thus others that want more than 2 can have it, and not affect growth.
 
2012-12-29 11:32:46 AM  
Had three kids, wish I had more. Too old now. Some of my best memories are of when we were young, almost broke, and found free things to do with the family. We managed to survive just fine.
 
2012-12-29 11:33:33 AM  
i'm 33, single, with no kids. and to be honest it kind of sucks. don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the hell out of my 20s, and at this point in my life i have financial and personal freedom that my married-with-kids friends lack. but i'm bored.

i was single and childless for a long time. it was fun, but now i want to move on to something new. i can't see myself being single and childless the rest of my life, i just think i'll be bored to death in another couple years. i want the challenge and the experience of raising children, i want to see what that's like.
 
2012-12-29 11:34:54 AM  
Kids are an investment for your old age. Not so much for financial support nowadays, but still for help with your care if you are frail, and for having someone in your life who understands you after friends start dying and moving away.

For this purpose, a niece or nephew could work, though.
 
2012-12-29 11:39:45 AM  
I don't mind the kids, but I wish I could get rid of my wife.
 
2012-12-29 11:43:49 AM  
FTA~ I knew that I had made the right choice. <b>I wasn't "made" to be a mother. I had spared a child from having to have me as one.</b>

A very powerful statement.
 
2012-12-29 11:47:06 AM  
FTA~ I knew that I had made the right choice. I wasn't "made" to be a mother. I had spared a child from having to have me as one.

A very powerful statement.

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2012-12-29 11:47:55 AM  

ramblinwreck: I miss those days of independence and being DINKs, but it's hard to imagine life without my two kids.


THIS.

/sitting at daughter's dining table while she cooks brekkie and the two grandsons lounge about
//gonna go shoot BB guns with them later and build the basketball hoop thingie we bought them for xmas
///then drive home Monday to our two Labs and a cat
 
2012-12-29 11:51:48 AM  
I chose cats over kids. No diapers (which are expensive and suck to change) and I don't have to pay for college educations for my cat snowflakes.
/And I can easily afford to drive BMWs.
//Helped raise my niece when I was 18. What a pain in the arse she was.
///Now she has a crotchfruit that's 18 months old. She complains constantly about it's behavior.
 
2012-12-29 11:58:20 AM  

pla: namatad : How are 2-3 dogs at a time not the same as having kids that never grow up?
publikenemy : Is taking care of a dog or cat not a PIA sometimes?

Imagine a ferret that understands the destructive power of fire and power tools.

Imagine a dog that costs $2k/year in doctors visits and you can't chose "the shot" instead of that insanely expensive procedure.

Imagine leaving your 7YO home alone for the weekend with just a giant bowl of food and a fresh litterbox.

Sure, sometimes, I need to trim mats out of my cat's fur. Take them to their yearly vet visit ($150, done until next year). I play with them daily before feeding them. And the rest of they day, they do their thing, I do mine, occasionally I'll give them a scritch on the chin if one comes within arm's length.

The difference? Parents define their lives around parenting. I just "have" a mostly-self-entertaining pair of cats.


True enough, more problems to overcome equals greater reward, as do most things in life. Also with a child, most people have a life long love instead of a 10 or 15 year one. Plus, it's a deeper and more rewarding relationship for obvious reasons.

It's not or everyone though..or so you would think. I didn't think it was for me either, but nature takes over and most people do find it rewarding.
 
2012-12-29 12:06:01 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: We are programmed to reproduce, and our brains are wired to get rewards from having kids.


'We' aren't all wired the same way. This world should be grateful not everyone has the desire to reproduce. The population would be 100 times the number we have now.

All of this pro family talk stinks of Christian anti-gay propaganda anyway.

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2012-12-29 12:07:25 PM  
I like how TFA's argument for kids is basically "shiat, I'm bored. Better have kids."
 
2012-12-29 12:09:26 PM  
I had a pain in the neck
But then he went to college
 
2012-12-29 12:11:47 PM  

Eegah: That about sums it up for me (although I found a great gal).
I've heard the "selfish" accusation before. I've never understood how it's selfish to not bring more children into an already overpopulated world.


It's selfish if your reason for not having kids is so that you can have more money. Unless you're dirt poor, that is a selfish reason.

But if you'd rather have money than anything else, just as well you don't have any kids anyway. Try to keep it that way.
 
2012-12-29 12:14:04 PM  
Until 27, I never had the desire to have kids. Ever. My family was told long ago and stopped bothering us but acquaintances/other relatives are more annoying. Been together for 10+ years, bought the house, bought the seemingly family-oriented car, fiancé settled into good job, finishing my graduate degree, got engaged and still nothing. The questions have been coming fast and furious from people who have no business asking. The expectation that EVERYONE wants to have kids is still very prevalent. I had been questioning my zero child policy for a while but a false alarm this Fall has changed my mind. That doesn't mean I will sharing that decision publicly, not even with family. We will have kids when we feel it is time but I am not going to rationalize my reproductive decisions with every person who asks the question.

If you want kids, great. If you don't, that's great too.
 
2012-12-29 12:23:29 PM  

cryinoutloud: Eegah: That about sums it up for me (although I found a great gal).
I've heard the "selfish" accusation before. I've never understood how it's selfish to not bring more children into an already overpopulated world.

It's selfish if your reason for not having kids is so that you can have more money. Unless you're dirt poor, that is a selfish reason.

But if you'd rather have money than anything else, just as well you don't have any kids anyway. Try to keep it that way.


By that logic, any decision that a person makes in order to have more money is selfish. Accepted a promotion? You selfish bastard.
 
2012-12-29 12:25:46 PM  
Wow, the boomer lady sounds JUST like me, except my family has never pressured me about the kids thing. I think it was obvious from an early age. The second answer sounds like the typical Vegas douchebag I've avoided for a decade now. Yeah, if your only drive in life is money, you will feel empty. But you can fill your life with so much, with or without children. Maybe i don't really know what I'm missing, but maybe I don't really want to know what that is.
 
2012-12-29 12:25:59 PM  
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2012-12-29 12:30:08 PM  
There's enough Kinderfeindlichkeit on this thread to make Gilles de Rais sick.

Re the first Slate poster: what is it about so many Jewish-American women spreading the don't-get-married-don't-have-kids gospel? Did they get diddled by pervy rabbis as kids? Does that really give you satisfaction to foist your preferences upon others?

I think happiness comes down to love of family and a sense of human continuity; can you really get that from a badminton partner? The US doesn't do community well as it is, what with neighbors refraining from learning each others' names: family is about the only sense of connection we have left.

I identify with the second Slate poster. When society expects you to be a corporate cog earning big bucks, you have little time to look for the mate who is doing the same, fears pregnancy as a disaster conferring future unemployability, or is 'self-actualizing' like the Boobieser.

To improve future human security, we need to lessen the corporate/financial overlordship and increase the sense of community and mutual enjoyment of lives lived with others, including and especially families.

Oh, and for the 'Children of Men' ain't gonna happen' crowd, I'll just leave this:

Link

http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/magazine/110861/how-older-parenth o od-will-upend-american-society
 
2012-12-29 12:30:16 PM  

cryinoutloud: Eegah: That about sums it up for me (although I found a great gal).
I've heard the "selfish" accusation before. I've never understood how it's selfish to not bring more children into an already overpopulated world.

It's selfish if your reason for not having kids is so that you can have more money. Unless you're dirt poor, that is a selfish reason.

But if you'd rather have money than anything else, just as well you don't have any kids anyway. Try to keep it that way.


I would only be selfish if the world needed more kids, which it does not. I love your logic, though. If you don't create a child that needs something from you, and then give it to them, you are selfish. Why not abstain from creating the child in the first place? You can't be selfish for withholding something from someone that does not exist.

I also love that you assume that our decision to not have kids is to have more money. I think this comment may apply to you:

sycraft: It's from bitter parents. You find that parents that are truly happy with their choice, and there are a great many of them, don't feel the need to harass you about having children. My cousins are like that, they have two kids, couldn't be happier with their family, and never give me any shiat for having none and having no plans for any. They made their choice, they are happy in it, they don't feel the need to harp on others.

However there are more than a few parents who are bitter and resentful to people without children and the freedom they have. They are not happy with their choice and so justify it as the only "correct" choice. They hate on those who did things differently because it shows them what they want and cannot have.

As a practical matter, it can be a rather unselfish act to not have kids. If we are to have a stable world, we need to stop the massive population growth. No that can be done China style where the government enforces shiat... or it can be done in a voluntary fashion. Some people have no children and thus others that want more than 2 can have it, and not affect growth.

 
2012-12-29 12:30:55 PM  

MBooda: What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids?

Nice, except for the annoying compulsion to tell everybody What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids.


The "no kids" people are alot like the atheists. Rather than quietly go on with their lives, they feel they need to both tell you about their choice and defend it without solicitation.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:03 PM  
It is easier to not have kids if you aren't married in the first place. But, then you get the questions on when will you "settle down" with someone.

If you want to get hit from all sides, don't marry, don't have a kid, and be sure you RENT not own (VOID in places like New York City). Ideally rent an apartment. I might never own a house, much less spawn an offspring.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:53 PM  

cryinoutloud: Eegah: That about sums it up for me (although I found a great gal).
I've heard the "selfish" accusation before. I've never understood how it's selfish to not bring more children into an already overpopulated world.

It's selfish if your reason for not having kids is so that you can have more money. Unless you're dirt poor, that is a selfish reason.

But if you'd rather have money than anything else, just as well you don't have any kids anyway. Try to keep it that way.

You've got it backwards. It's I don't want kids, therefore, I have more money: not, I want more money, so I won't have kids.

 
2012-12-29 12:40:09 PM  

singularity or bust: I like how TFA's argument for kids is basically "shiat, I'm bored. Better have kids."


I assume you're talking about the 2nd writer. I read that and thought "I bet he doesn't have any actual passions".

I could not have kids, my job, and also fulfill all my interests and passions. Something had to be left out. I decided to leave out kids. My sister has 4, so there's lots of opportunity to be an uncle. It's not like the planet is suffering for lack of people. I will miss out on many of those "kid" moments... just like my sister will miss out on many adult moments. Like many other things in life, you make your choice and live with it. There will be moments of regret no matter which choice you make, because that's our nature, imagining what could have been.
 
2012-12-29 12:41:59 PM  

imfallen_angel: Kibbler: So can you tell us which makes you more explosively outraged, people who don't have kids, but you think they should, or people who do have kids, but you think they shouldn't?

I'm not saying that everyone should have kids, but those that don't, shouldn't believe themselves better... but yet, they do, over and over, then at some point, most whine about missing out.

Funny how most have dogs and need to rant about these dogs though... over and over.

I simply don't like those people...outraged? nah... just finding them pathetic is enough.

Then there's those that are this very thing, have kids anyways, and still treat the dogs better.

It's pretty sad.


It's quite possible to make the decision not to have kids, and be happy with it, and still recognize what you missed. We're childless, and that's the right decision for us, but that doesn't mean we think having kids is 100% awful and crappy. Yes, there are times when I see my niece and nephew and they're all cuddly and laughing and it's something I wish I could have known for myself. Yes, there are moments when I wonder what it'd be like to see my son or daughter as an adult. I will never see these things, and that's a consequence of the choice we made. The freedom and disposable income that allow us to pursue other interests is the fun side of that decision.

Every decision comes with that kind of consequences - some happy, some not quite so. It's normal to wonder about the road not taken. But that doesn't mean we regret the road we did take. We're quite happy to be childless, for a variety of reasons, first being the knowledge that we would not have the patience and energy to raise a child decently. Not everybody is cut out to do the same thing, whether it's what you do for a living, where you live, or what kind of family you decide to build.

Basically, I'd encourage people to spend more time deciding what works best in their own lives based on their strengths and weaknesses, and less time judging other people for making different choices.
 
2012-12-29 12:42:31 PM  
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2012-12-29 12:45:30 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: To improve future human security, we need to lessen the corporate/financial overlordship and increase the sense of community and mutual enjoyment of lives lived with others, including and especially families.


You could also walk out the door and ring your neighbor's doorbell. My parents spend far more time with their neighbors and best friends who live a block away now that they're retired than they do with family.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:06 PM  
Honestly, my mother ironed my dad's boxer shorts. And all of our sheets and his handkerchiefs; it was expected of her.

Oh, the humanity.
 
2012-12-29 12:49:00 PM  
The whole 'You don't know what you're missing by having kids' argument is stupid.

You can't miss something you never had.
 
2012-12-29 12:59:08 PM  

enderthexenocide: i'm 33, single, with no kids. and to be honest it kind of sucks. don't get me wrong, i enjoyed the hell out of my 20s, and at this point in my life i have financial and personal freedom that my married-with-kids friends lack. but i'm bored.

i was single and childless for a long time. it was fun, but now i want to move on to something new. i can't see myself being single and childless the rest of my life, i just think i'll be bored to death in another couple years. i want the challenge and the experience of raising children, i want to see what that's like.


As a 39 year old who knocked up a young lass - it's totally awesome. It's hard work, and your sleep can suffer for it, but when your heart melts from the coos and smiles from your little one, nothing else really compares.
 
2012-12-29 01:08:00 PM  

pla: "Who will take care of you when you get old?" - You mean like your grudging monthly visit to "the home" to see your parents?


People tell me I'll have no one to take care of me when I'm old. They change the subject when I tell them about my grandmother who died alone in a hospice at age 86 - and she had 8 kids.

Banned on the Run: The "no kids" people are alot like the atheists. Rather than quietly go on with their lives, they feel they need to both tell you about their choice and defend it without solicitation.


Actually, it's more that we have to defend our choice to people who keep insisting we're doing the wrong thing. I've had this conversation foisted on me too many times to count, and even when I try to end it with a polite deflection and then an inquiry about something else in that person's life, some people will still come back to it. I'll never forget a lunch with an out-of-town coworker who just refused to drop the subject, and telling me to "just have one, you'll see you'll love it", as if a child was like a new restaurant I should try.

Really, I understand it's perfectly normal to ask someone "do you have kids" when you get to know them. It's small talk, same as "where do you live" or "what do you do for a living". But if I say "no, we don't, but we have a couple of cats", that's not an invitation to pry into the why of this and challenge me on that choice. If you meet someone and they say "I'm an engineer", would you go ahead and tell them they will regret it one day? I imagine not, because that would be rude. So all I ask is for people to have the basic civility to not argue about our life when they are not the ones living it.
 
2012-12-29 01:11:12 PM  

Yzziefrog: It's quite possible to make the decision not to have kids, and be happy with it, and still recognize what you missed.


This.  I won't say I don't get second thoughts from time to time, but it registers like having to choose between two awesome dishes at a fancy restaurant and only enough money to buy one or the other.  The ONLY way to ruin your choice is to regret.  Not having everything is just a basic fact of life.

miscreant: I assume you're talking about the 2nd writer. I read that and thought "I bet he doesn't have any actual passions".


This.  If anything I suffer from having too many passions, because even without kids there's so much I'm holding off for lack of time.
 
2012-12-29 01:23:07 PM  

Yzziefrog: Basically, I'd encourage people to spend more time deciding what works best in their own lives based on their strengths and weaknesses, and less time judging other people for making different choices.


Quite right...

There's truly pros and cons to having or not having kids.

My point is... most people that have kids were single once, and some made choices and now have kids, so they have the point of view of both lifestyles (not counting the teenage pregnancies of course).

As already stated, I'm quite fine with some that aren't parent material and choose to stay childless, and as said already, some that did have kids, shouldn't have.

There's not much sadder stuff than when you see a kid from a bad situation, unplanned, unwanted, used as a pawn, etc... simply unloved really.

So people without kids, get to live alone or in a couple and get to do everything that childless people do... nothing special about it.. but then again, some people with kids manage just fine and do plenty of non-child related stuff too.

Some people believe that life ends if you have a kid instead of understanding that done right, a child will add to your life, as much as a mate should. But many lack the effort is takes too, not that it's a put down at all, just that it's not for every one.

There's place for both type of people, and as you stated, being childless can be both a burden and a blessing.

One thing that I've already said though... those that "substitute" children with dogs should be left on a frigging island away from intelligent people, so far, rare as been the occasion to see an exception to the rule that a dog owner isn't an arse to a certain extent, put that mentality with the childless, and the odds are even lower.

Godscrack: The whole 'You don't know what you're missing by having kids' argument is stupid.

You can't miss something you never had.


Most stupid people don't miss being intelligent, so your argument is also valid for that.

I've never missed not being a drug user, but I sure know what it does.

As stated already... most parents have been single, so they know what that's like. A single person can't have a kid and then not have one... oh wait, there plenty of dead-beat parents out there, isn't it.

/eyes rolls.
 
2012-12-29 01:29:48 PM  
Every time I feel that twinge in my uterus, I visit my nephews and am once again reminded that I enjoy leaving them with their parents at the end of the day and going home to my cat in my fortress of solitude.  Mama needs her quiet time, and she sure as hell won't get that with a rugrat in the house.
 
2012-12-29 01:32:01 PM  

Fissile: I know LOTS of people who have children, but shouldn't.


And this.  So much this.

/watching a soap opera unfold on FB right now with a cousin who neglected to take her sick children to a doctor weeks ago, so now one of them is hooked up to breathing machines
//every time he gets "better" she thanks prayers instead of the doctors working their butts off
 
2012-12-29 01:35:39 PM  
This thread should just be titled " justify to yourself and others why your life is so great, also talk about your dog/cat"
 
2012-12-29 01:38:33 PM  

cryinoutloud: Eegah: That about sums it up for me (although I found a great gal).
I've heard the "selfish" accusation before. I've never understood how it's selfish to not bring more children into an already overpopulated world.

It's selfish if your reason for not having kids is so that you can have more money. Unless you're dirt poor, that is a selfish reason.

But if you'd rather have money than anything else, just as well you don't have any kids anyway. Try to keep it that way.


It's selfish of you to decide what actions would be selfish of another person to take.
 
2012-12-29 01:40:40 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Oh, and for the 'Children of Men' ain't gonna happen' crowd, I'll just leave this:


The world isn't going to suddenly move toward having exclusively older parents.  You can release the death grip on your pearls now.
 
2012-12-29 01:44:02 PM  

sabbacca: This thread should just be titled " justify to yourself and others why your life is so great, also talk about your dog/cat"


Or we could call it "People who are bitter that nobody will breed with them" and it'll be more about you, cupcake.
 
2012-12-29 01:44:44 PM  
NO KIDS!
Don't worry the gene pool won't miss.
 
2012-12-29 01:46:34 PM  
I have a son, and a cupcake. Thanks though. Im mostly referring to peoples inability to just accept other peoples decisions without having to critique and make judgements. But I do love me some good e-drama. Please continue.
 
2012-12-29 01:48:06 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: I have one kid and do not plan on having more.
/What do I get?


The same thing the rest of us get. That "but s/he needs a brother/sister" bs from parents, family, and friends. Especially if you were a single parent who's now in a happy stable relationship. Doesn't matter if your partner has had a vasectomy or you are really happy with just one child. No, no YOU NEED MORE!!!!

/yes Im annoyed
//so glad holidays are over
 
2012-12-29 01:49:06 PM  

pla: Imagine a ferret that understands the destructive power of fire and power tools.


oh, dear, god.

I want kids even less now, if that is possible
 
2012-12-29 02:24:20 PM  
I've never had a desire to breed or parent anyone. If you're happy being a parent, good on ya. But when I mention that I don't have kids, do NOT take that as a sign that I'm anxious to hear you talk about yours for hours on end. In addition to boring the hell out of me ("Oh, you're a dog person? Well, let me tell you about my cats!"), it sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you're happy to be a parent.
 
2012-12-29 02:25:34 PM  

sabbacca: I have a son, and a cupcake. Thanks though. Im mostly referring to peoples inability to just accept other peoples decisions without having to critique and make judgements. But I do love me some good e-drama. Please continue.


Check the weeners before throwing down your judgment then, o enlightened one.
 
2012-12-29 02:34:08 PM  
Teh ghey buttsecks FTW
 
2012-12-29 02:49:08 PM  

sabbacca: I have a son, and a cupcake.


Did you bring enough for everyone?

/cupcakes
//not sons
///that would be weird
 
2012-12-29 02:57:29 PM  

mjg: Sex is not for procreation.


I held off parenting until age 40 (my wife is 13 years younger, so we weren't playing the "white people like to have retards" card).

I think I was better for it, having had a well-travelled and...uh...experienced life to that point. I think it's made me marginally more patient with my son.

I wouldn't have minded starting a couple of years earlier, however, just because the boy does require a lot of energy to keep out of the moving machinery, etc.
 
2012-12-29 03:00:38 PM  

imfallen_angel: I've never missed not being a drug user, but I sure know what it does.


What princess? what does it do?

Or should I say, what have you read? or seen?

idiot.
 
2012-12-29 03:01:34 PM  

publikenemy: I really hate threads like this. If you have no kids you assume that is best. Yet if you do have children, you assume that is best. To each his own. What I hate however is when people have snarky comments and tell those with children how annoying they are and how much better off they are for not having them.

Children are fking great thanks for asking. They are a pain sometimes, as is any living creature you have to take care of. The payoff however, is simply awesome.


Because I think the planet would be better off at five or even three billion, the "quality" argument doesn't wash with me. We stopped at one because we didn't want to be part of a bigger problem than "lifestyle choices".

I will always therefore support the decision of childless couples to remain so, not only because they would probably make bitter, unhappy parents, but also because demographics predict I should front-load my portfolio into end-of-life care industries and direct my son toward the trades.

A job for life isn't happening today, but you can bet it'll be happening in the future when so many wealthy old farts are confronted with an insufficient number of young workers.
 
2012-12-29 03:03:33 PM  

MBooda: What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids?

Nice, except for the annoying compulsion to tell everybody What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids.


And I Own a Mac.

/lest we forget.
 
2012-12-29 03:07:47 PM  
All my childhood I pictured myself with kids. Got married to have kids (not for love) Had two sons. We divorced when they were 5 and 7 years old. I remarried and got divorced again.... Primarily because of who my two sons got along my new wife (their step-mom) I am now single, lonely and broken. I haven't seen my boys in over a year. Their mother has done her best to trash me to them... I barely can function. The grief over how much I have farked up my life is soul crushing...
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
it had nothing to do with the alcoholism....
nothing at all...
On the bright side
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there is no bright side.
 
2012-12-29 03:08:25 PM  

SuperDarly: Really, I'm the first?

Louis CK on single people.


"I need a gun, a plane ticket and bleach."

Very funny and yes, there are days like this. I have a younger sister with older kids, however. I got a lot of warning. And they are excellent young men now. If she died, I would adopt them as sons, although that's strictly speaking, not necessary.
 
2012-12-29 03:10:51 PM  
To the "who will take care of you when you're older?" crowd: eff you. Children have free will and Its sick to think that you'd create a person for the express purpose of taking care of you.

When it comes time that I become a burden, I plan on punching my own ticket anyway. I don't need that kind of pain and humiliation, nor do those that I love and who love me need it thrust upon them.
 
2012-12-29 03:22:57 PM  
45, no spouse, no kids, no pets, and doing just fine thankyouverymuch.

I'm resentful of the attitude that you have somehow FAILED AT LIFE if you do not produce at least one offspring. I know I would be a terrible parent. Plus I'm doing my part for Zero Population Growth.

As for who will care for me in my dotage, just put me out on the curb next Tuesday and let the sanitation local bear me home.
 
2012-12-29 03:46:42 PM  
I am against human procreation.

I believe that forcing someone to have a life isn't fair to the one being born. It should be optional or not happen.

If two people want to have a child, they should ask the preconceived entity if he/she wants to be born into a futile existence with the constant knowledge of his/her future expiration and if that entity specifically says "Yes" then and only then, should he/she be conceived and born.

In other words, never.

It isn't right. And one day when we see ourselves with ALS, cancer, pain, suffering, staring at the grave, and know that our children will also experience that same suffering, it'll make sense to us.
 
2012-12-29 05:01:14 PM  

BlousyBrown: There are a lot of people who should not have children, and I'm one of those people. I recognize that.
I've been so lucky to find a great guy who doesn't want them either. I don't think it's selfish to not have
children, for me it's just the responsible choice.


As a parent, I not only agree, but would say that having children is the selfish act. Passing on one's DNA is one of the most primitive, self-serving acts that one can partake in. Anyone who tries to suggest otherwise is kidding themselves.
 
2012-12-29 05:04:27 PM  

Smarshmallow: BlousyBrown: There are a lot of people who should not have children, and I'm one of those people. I recognize that.
I've been so lucky to find a great guy who doesn't want them either. I don't think it's selfish to not have
children, for me it's just the responsible choice.

As a parent, I not only agree, but would say that having children is the selfish act. Passing on one's DNA is one of the most primitive, self-serving acts that one can partake in. Anyone who tries to suggest otherwise is kidding themselves.


I love my kid and can't wait to meet #2 that's on the way... but I couldn't agree more with both of you.
 
2012-12-29 05:04:47 PM  
43, been with my wife for 20 years, no kids by choice. I'm not going to re-re-re-repeat the pros and cons in this thread.

However, I do find it interesting that among my RL peers, this makes me very rare. I not sure I know any other couples who still have no kids at my age. Among Farkers, on the other hand, there seems to be quite a decent percentage who have chosen not to have children. Interesting...
 
2012-12-29 05:05:25 PM  

Godscrack: imfallen_angel: I've never missed not being a drug user, but I sure know what it does.

What princess? what does it do?

Or should I say, what have you read? or seen?

idiot.


For one thing, it makes people stupid... as you've just proven.
 
2012-12-29 07:50:05 PM  
The rest of my family reproduced early and often. The rest of my family is also alpha foxtrot uniform and I decided that I at least could take responsibility for not spreading the genes any further, even if that was closing the barn door after the horses flew the coop.

Not particularly interested in marriage either.

Who will take care of me when I'm old? I'll either be able to afford an excellent long term care plan, or Mr. Glock will assist me. Having children is no guarantee you'll be taken care of, they could be complete fark-ups. Your spouse could die first.

If you want to do the societally expected thing and that works for you, excellent. Some of us just have no business there.

/the gatherings of single childless friends that occasionally turn into piles of freaky sex don't hurt either
 
2012-12-29 08:17:54 PM  
It is funny reading the snotty little comments from both sides justifying their decision.
 
2012-12-29 09:07:58 PM  

Thorazine: It is funny reading the snotty little comments from both sides justifying their decision.


So the middle ground would be....have kids, then ditch them when they're annoying?
 
2012-12-29 10:10:14 PM  

pla: MBooda : Nice, except for the annoying compulsion to tell everybody What Is It Like To Be an Adult and Not Have Kids.

Ahahahaahah... Good one, MBooda!

For every thread like this where we DINKs get to rant, we get to endure a hundred of you breeders

[...]

You're assuming I bred my two children. Actually, I was adopted into the family. (Neither of them are breeders, either, btw.)

No. I don't have a compulsion to tell everyone.

Ah. That explains your post.
 
2012-12-30 10:15:59 AM  

branchtroy: All my childhood I pictured myself with kids. Got married to have kids (not for love) Had two sons. We divorced when they were 5 and 7 years old. I remarried and got divorced again.... Primarily because of who my two sons got along my new wife (their step-mom) I am now single, lonely and broken. I haven't seen my boys in over a year. Their mother has done her best to trash me to them... I barely can function. The grief over how much I have farked up my life is soul crushing...
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it had nothing to do with the alcoholism....
nothing at all...
On the bright side
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there is no bright side.


Wow. That's a horrible tale. I hope things get better for you branchtroy
 
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