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2012-12-29 12:34:16 PM
The few places that carry women's jeans and use waist/hip sizes rather than the 6,8,10,12 etc. are incredibly expensive and I'll be honest, no way in fark are they ever going to fit me. Largest size in those stores are 10s and are skinny fit.

I wear lee jeans or Levi's which are at least semi consistent. Just have to find the right cut.
 
2012-12-29 12:36:56 PM
Meh, women's problems.

I walk into a store, search for a 32-32 pair of pants and lo and behold! They fit. I have never in the history of ever found a pair of 32-32 pants which were significantly larger or smaller. Go to the shirts, grab an M and lo and behold! That fits as well.

By now I have spent almost 10 minutes shopping for clothes, my patience has worn thin with the loathing I have for shopping. I pay and leave.

/Will only spend time when buying a nice suit
 
2012-12-29 12:40:20 PM
As a man, I recently bought a couple of XL t-shirts that are smaller than all the L size shirts I've washed and worn for over 10 years. I'm not sure if it's some plot to make fat people feel guilty or make small people like me feel big. I don't know what to think anymore.
 
2012-12-29 12:46:08 PM

DerAppie: Meh, women's problems.

I walk into a store, search for a 32-32 pair of pants and lo and behold! They fit. I have never in the history of ever found a pair of 32-32 pants which were significantly larger or smaller. Go to the shirts, grab an M and lo and behold! That fits as well.

By now I have spent almost 10 minutes shopping for clothes, my patience has worn thin with the loathing I have for shopping. I pay and leave.

/Will only spend time when buying a nice suit



Either you always shop in the same store, or your idea of "fit" isn't exactly tailored but a rough-there-abouts sort of thing. Mens trousers vary enormously, and an M in one shop isn't an M in another.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:38 PM

DerAppie: Meh, women's problems.

I walk into a store, search for a 32-32 pair of pants and lo and behold! They fit. I have never in the history of ever found a pair of 32-32 pants which were significantly larger or smaller. Go to the shirts, grab an M and lo and behold! That fits as well.

By now I have spent almost 10 minutes shopping for clothes, my patience has worn thin with the loathing I have for shopping. I pay and leave.

/Will only spend time when buying a nice suit


That's only true if you're walking into the same store and buying the same brands every time.

Even with men's clothing there's a considerable variation in how much vanity sizing is inserted for different brands. Admittedly this is more prevalent with jeans and less so with slacks, but present none the less.

And shirts/jackets have been vanity sized too. According to my tape measure, I should wear a size L shirt. Instead I normally end up with a size S.
 
2012-12-29 12:51:59 PM
This is what happens when you let the free market self-regulate. No standardization and confusion for the customer.

Imagine if we let each grocery chain decide how much "1 pound" is, or if we let bars choose their own definitions for 1 pint.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:31 PM

Thingster: Vanity sizing in menswear is easier to spot.

Regular fit should be pretty close to spot on, relaxed is +1-2", and loose is 2+".

Also, the smaller your waist and the more traditional cut (sits at the waist, not the hips), the more true the size will be.

Go measure the waist of a pair of sub-34" 517's or 501's and you'll get nearly spot on measurements.


The change is really abrupt too so you get this strange bubble in the sizing where a 32 waist is too tight as it is 32.5" yet a 34 is way too large due to having a 36" waist. Thank goodness they still have shrink-to-fit in the 501s.

Knowing a tailor or knowing how to sew yourself is really required for a proper fit anyway because the semi form-fitting look that is still the style now (yes I know the style is supposedly more straight-leg but the actual cuts required to not look like 80's baggy pants for anyone not of the indie-band build male model are still tapered, they just look straight after years of skinny jeans) is much less forgiving of different body types than traditional cuts. Have thighs that are slightly larger in proportion to your waist and calf than what is expected? Good luck finding anything to fit off the rack that will fit your lower leg and waist while at the same time not looking like skinny jeans through the thigh.
 
2012-12-29 01:00:24 PM
As a guy with a 13.5" neck, it's impossible to find work shirts that have long enough sleeves.
My asian friends said try Uniqlo. Nope, that didn't work either.
 
2012-12-29 01:04:49 PM

Seth'n'Spectrum: As a guy with a 13.5" neck, it's impossible to find work shirts that have long enough sleeves.
My asian friends said try Uniqlo. Nope, that didn't work either.



Uniqlo have the best shirt cuts I've found for my shape. Mmmm, Uniqlo. They also have free one-hour alterations to all trousers.
 
2012-12-29 01:07:25 PM
(Which means I can finally have 31inch trousers without a damn additional trip to the tailors)
 
2012-12-29 01:10:04 PM
The last pair of jeans I bought were the same style/size as my old ones, but they ended up being about 2" longer. Of course, I couldn't tell this until they were washed. And they can't be washed without removing the tags. Since I can't take them back, my choices are: Walk on the hems, or find a tailor and pay to have them re-hemmed. Strike that, my choice is to keep wearing the old jeans.
 
2012-12-29 01:13:41 PM

Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.


Please, for the love of Crom, tell me you were just being a smartass here. Like, "Superb Owl" smartass.

PLEASE.
 
2012-12-29 01:21:08 PM
I'm a guy, natural 34 waist. I find that Brooks Brothers runs true to size, this includes the casual pants. Levi's, including Made and Crafted are vanity-sized with a 32 fitting me well. RRL is in the same boat. I don't know what's so hard about taking a ruler to the close one sells and putting that information on the label.
 
2012-12-29 01:21:53 PM
I lost 100 lbs a little over a year ago after carrying around the extra weight for 20+ years. I now weigh what I weighed 25 years ago. Back then, I was a size 8 or 10. Now, I'm a size 4 or 6. I even have one pair of slacks in a size 2. It's ridiculous. I'm thin, but not anorexic by any means. No way in hell I'm a "real" size 2 (or 4 or 6, for that matter.) I figure the really thin women I know must have to buy their clothes in the children's department cuz if I'm a 2/4/6, there are women who are -2/-4/-6. Where do they shop?
 
2012-12-29 01:30:31 PM
I like the web sites that list sizes as S, M, L, XL, yet never tell you how to translate those into inches.  Everybody's S, M, L, XL is different from everybody else's, I'm a 42, so does that make me a M, L, or XL?
 
2012-12-29 01:40:28 PM

Derigiberble: Thingster: Vanity sizing in menswear is easier to spot.

Regular fit should be pretty close to spot on, relaxed is +1-2", and loose is 2+".

Also, the smaller your waist and the more traditional cut (sits at the waist, not the hips), the more true the size will be.

Go measure the waist of a pair of sub-34" 517's or 501's and you'll get nearly spot on measurements.

The change is really abrupt too so you get this strange bubble in the sizing where a 32 waist is too tight as it is 32.5" yet a 34 is way too large due to having a 36" waist. Thank goodness they still have shrink-to-fit in the 501s.

Knowing a tailor or knowing how to sew yourself is really required for a proper fit anyway because the semi form-fitting look that is still the style now (yes I know the style is supposedly more straight-leg but the actual cuts required to not look like 80's baggy pants for anyone not of the indie-band build male model are still tapered, they just look straight after years of skinny jeans) is much less forgiving of different body types than traditional cuts. Have thighs that are slightly larger in proportion to your waist and calf than what is expected? Good luck finding anything to fit off the rack that will fit your lower leg and waist while at the same time not looking like skinny jeans through the thigh.


That, too.

I know 34 and smaller are cut similar, while 36 and larger get more inches added to them to make them appropriately "loose". I just don't know the typical additional inches for the +34" sizing.

Which leaves the true 34-36 as a pretty typical gap, as you pointed out.

But I'm one of the skinny guys, so pants tend to run pretty true. 30/30 is hard to screw up so long as you really are 30/30 and know anything marked relaxed or loose is just going to fall off.

But shirts, God help me. 16.5/40/32 are easy to find, but to me chest sizing vanity is worse than waist sizing. 40" shirts now are closer to 44" 15 years ago.

Necks and sleeves are good, but tent city otherwise.

/it was cheaper to buy a sewing machine than to keep going to the tailor just to get shirt sides taken in.
 
2012-12-29 01:40:56 PM

Snotnose: I like the web sites that list sizes as S, M, L, XL, yet never tell you how to translate those into inches.  Everybody's S, M, L, XL is different from everybody else's, I'm a 42, so does that make me a M, L, or XL?


I buy a lot of my shirts off eBay. Sellers will give you the measurements (e.g., width across chest, length from armpit to bottom of shirt, etc.) if their listings; if they don't, you can always message them to ask for specific measurements. All shirts that I buy this way fit well.

Oh, and since they're "previously loved" items, they've already been washed, so you don't have to worry about the first-time-laundered shrinkage.

Plus, since they're often second-hand, I get them real cheap.

Same thing with jeans. Seven For All Mankind jeans, my preferred brand, has a factory 34" inseam, which is perfect for me. I can buy a like-new pair of Sevens on eBay for around $30, which is more than $100 cheaper than a brand spanking new pair from the department store.

\kinda cheap
\\but well dressed
 
2012-12-29 01:45:05 PM

DerAppie: Meh, women's problems.

I walk into a store, search for a 32-32 pair of pants and lo and behold! They fit. I have never in the history of ever found a pair of 32-32 pants which were significantly larger or smaller. Go to the shirts, grab an M and lo and behold! That fits as well.

By now I have spent almost 10 minutes shopping for clothes, my patience has worn thin with the loathing I have for shopping. I pay and leave.

/Will only spend time when buying a nice suit


You sound short
 
2012-12-29 01:57:46 PM
It's not just a thing in women's clothing; I have some Merona shirts from Target I bought 5-10 years ago, and I fit somewhere in between M and L in them. I needed a new shirt at the last minute for an event, so last week, I grabbed an L - got home, put it on, and it fits me like an XL or XXL compared to the others I have.

I don't need the ego boost of wearing a lower size, damn it, I just want it to fit. Only found out after the fact that most manufacturers are vanity sizing men's clothing a little bit more every year.
 
2012-12-29 02:17:23 PM

Bungles: Either you always shop in the same store, or your idea of "fit" isn't exactly tailored but a rough-there-abouts sort of thing. Mens trousers vary enormously, and an M in one shop isn't an M in another.


As if ready made clothing is ever exactly tailored. But, no. That's my size and I usually go by 3 stores, which one I enter depends on my mood. As far as I know using the actual number of inches (which we only use on televisions and clothing) is still the standard way to buy pants over here. The only time I had a 32-32 which didn't fit comfortably was when I wanted the same pair of pants in a different colour but accidentally picked up a pair of skinny jeans. those things suck.

And the shirts fit 9 out of 10 times. Sometimes they are a bit longer but never so much that I cared.

specialkae:

You sound short


182 centimetres, which would be 5 feet and 11.7 inches. Maybe you are confused because I'm not from the US. I don't need the extra fabric a Large or Extra Large shirt offers in order to cover rolls of fat.
 
2012-12-29 02:26:19 PM

fredklein: Ramen_Hotep: Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.

Nope- just measured it- 42" = 42".


That's my experience.  I've never had a 32 waist / 34 length ever not fit (too big or too small).

Of course, I don't buy many clothes.
 
2012-12-29 02:31:27 PM

FizixJunkee:
I buy a lot of my shirts off eBay. Sellers will give you the measurements (e.g., width across chest, length from armpit to bottom of shirt, etc.) if their listings; if they don't, you can always message them to ask for specific measurements. All shirts that I buy this way fit well.


I hate shopping because of sizing issues. All the build up and when you go to try on nothing fits right and for all different reasons (squashes bust, sleeves too short, gaping neckline, fits like a garbage sack). The eBay thing sounds smart. Are you female? Do any ladies do this currently and does it work out well?
 
2012-12-29 02:33:15 PM
For @ 50 yrs have worn cowboy boots. Up until about 10 years ago, Tony Lama 9.5 D fit perfectly. Now, can't get my foot into anything smaller than 10.5. Guess I don't have chinese/european feet. (Yes, know that are made in USA, but international marketing)

WorkingInParadise: The last pair of jeans I bought were the same style/size as my old ones, but they ended up being about 2" longer. Of course, I couldn't tell this until they were washed. And they can't be washed without removing the tags. Since I can't take them back, my choices are: Walk on the hems, or find a tailor and pay to have them re-hemmed. Strike that, my choice is to keep wearing the old jeans.


Simple solution: Wear cowboy boots, walk the back of the hem out of the bottom of the leg. Makes a perfect notch that fits right over your spurs.
 
2012-12-29 02:38:56 PM

DerAppie: Bungles: Either you always shop in the same store, or your idea of "fit" isn't exactly tailored but a rough-there-abouts sort of thing. Mens trousers vary enormously, and an M in one shop isn't an M in another.

As if ready made clothing is ever exactly tailored. But, no. That's my size and I usually go by 3 stores, which one I enter depends on my mood. As far as I know using the actual number of inches (which we only use on televisions and clothing) is still the standard way to buy pants over here. The only time I had a 32-32 which didn't fit comfortably was when I wanted the same pair of pants in a different colour but accidentally picked up a pair of skinny jeans. those things suck.

And the shirts fit 9 out of 10 times. Sometimes they are a bit longer but never so much that I cared.

specialkae:

You sound short

182 centimetres, which would be 5 feet and 11.7 inches. Maybe you are confused because I'm not from the US. I don't need the extra fabric a Large or Extra Large shirt offers in order to cover rolls of fat.


Lies! Even individual stores have their own internal quirks (H&M chinos and karkis size true, while all their jeans, even skinny jeans, run an inch and a half large. ALthough I'd never wear skinny jeans obviously, because I'm not 14 and/or in a boyband)
 
2012-12-29 02:49:13 PM

Mackabee: FizixJunkee:
I buy a lot of my shirts off eBay. Sellers will give you the measurements (e.g., width across chest, length from armpit to bottom of shirt, etc.) if their listings; if they don't, you can always message them to ask for specific measurements. All shirts that I buy this way fit well.

I hate shopping because of sizing issues. All the build up and when you go to try on nothing fits right and for all different reasons (squashes bust, sleeves too short, gaping neckline, fits like a garbage sack). The eBay thing sounds smart. Are you female? Do any ladies do this currently and does it work out well?


I already mentioned etsy. Check them out. My friends that use them swear by them.

/female
 
2012-12-29 03:01:52 PM
Mom: What pant size are you?
Me: Eight.
Mom: Waaarghble. No way! I was that size when I was ten.

They need to go back to some kind of standardization. Maybe when you realize your size is fatso++++ you'll decide to lay off the cheese cake.

/Too close to Christmas to diss cheese cake?
//I find stuff long enough but too fat and have it taken in. Makes shopping from clearance easy as pie.
 
2012-12-29 03:41:58 PM

Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.


Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?
 
2012-12-29 03:46:51 PM

Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?



If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.
 
2012-12-29 03:47:45 PM

Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


I think they hate women's hips more.
 
2012-12-29 03:50:42 PM
Used to be you could buy patterns and material for less than the down payment on a new car and make your own clothes. The women's blouse patterns used to have this do-hickey called a "dart" that allowed you to ensure enough movement for the boobies and you could fit to the waist.

Clothing manufacturing went off-shore many years ago; Americans are not shaped like Asians, where most of our clothing is now made.

/Can't afford to sew a lot anymore
//Big box stores sell for less than the cost of material
//And yes, that is my lawn - kindly remove yourself from it.
 
2012-12-29 04:06:06 PM

Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.


The shirts that don't gap over the boobies billow out around the rest of my torso like a schooner at full sail. Help a sister out. What brands accommodate boobs and waists?
 
2012-12-29 04:28:43 PM

Soymilk: Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.

The shirts that don't gap over the boobies billow out around the rest of my torso like a schooner at full sail. Help a sister out. What brands accommodate boobs and waists?


Strap the puppies down like Halloween tranny.
 
2012-12-29 04:35:46 PM

Soymilk: Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.

The shirts that don't gap over the boobies billow out around the rest of my torso like a schooner at full sail. Help a sister out. What brands accommodate boobs and waists?


That is a tough one. I don't do button downs because of that. You'd need to find something too big and get it fitted, I suppose.

/I know that was no help :/
 
2012-12-29 04:39:38 PM
wildcardjack: As a guy I'm pretty easy to fit. Just give me a 2XLT shirt and 48x32 Levi 560's and I'm set.

The problem then becomes FINDING those items. I hate 3XL, fits like a farking tent. And no one keeps the actual 560's in stock for some reason. No, I don't want these 559's and their variegated denim.

I haven't worn business casual in a while but I know dress shirts use real sizes. And that's where women's sizing falls apart. Something in the psychology where you can't say what the actual dimensions of the person are. And then you get a sizing war to where brands grow to accommodate larger women who still want to be the same size they were in college. Bite the bullet and use real numbers.


Yeah a XLT or 2XLT shirt and some 42x28s and I'm good to go. Of course if the place you are buying doesn't have the extra long Tall shirts I have to get like a 3 or 4X that fits like a tent around to get it long enough. Also its hard to find inseams shorter than 32 in sizes over 36. I sometimes have to just buy my pants with a longer inseam and just hem them.
 
2012-12-29 04:42:13 PM
There is actually a company out there trying to take advantage of the craziness in sizing.
Me-Ality
 
2012-12-29 06:36:44 PM

Mackabee: FizixJunkee:
I buy a lot of my shirts off eBay. Sellers will give you the measurements (e.g., width across chest, length from armpit to bottom of shirt, etc.) if their listings; if they don't, you can always message them to ask for specific measurements. All shirts that I buy this way fit well.

I hate shopping because of sizing issues. All the build up and when you go to try on nothing fits right and for all different reasons (squashes bust, sleeves too short, gaping neckline, fits like a garbage sack). The eBay thing sounds smart. Are you female? Do any ladies do this currently and does it work out well?



Yeah, I'm female and the eBay thing works great for me.

Tip: Take your favorite articles of the clothing---the items that fit you best---and measure them thoroughly. Keep these measurements handy. For example, a shirt with width of 19" armpit-to-armpit is guaranteed to fit me (I'm not too big on top), regardless if it's a marked a size 4, 6, or 8. Similarly, I like a 33" inseam on my pants and a 34" on my jeans. (I do the same thing for my husband...I know all his measurements so that I'm able to find him clothing that fits...he hates shopping, so I have to do it for him.)

I then trawl eBay for my favorite brands of clothing (e.g., Ralph Lauren). I know that either a slim fit 6 or 8 Ralph Lauren shirt will fit me, but I always ask sellers for garment measurements just to be sure ('cause you never know if something has shrunk since being washed). Some older style RL shirts can be rather baggy (to me anyway), so even a size 6 might be too big (that is, I've found some size 6 shirts that are 22 inches wide...way too big for me). Regardless, double check garment measurements.

I'm also thrifty when it comes to clothing; I have a max dollar amount I'm going to spend on any garment, and I stick to it. Also, I tend to avoid auctions that end on Sundays---that's the day of the week when eBay has the most traffic...great day to end auctions if you're a seller, but it means more competition and higher prices if you're a buyer. Instead, I pay attention to auctions that end on weekdays, especially if they end before 5pm.

Just to give you an idea: Right now, I'm wearing a Ralph Lauren button down oxford shirt ($80...bought it new), gray Seven For All Mankind skinny fit jeans ($20 on eBay), a gray merino wool sweater from Banana Republic ($9 at the thrift store), and vintage LL Bean duck boots ($23 on eBay). I looked rather well-dressed (quality garments that fit me to a T), if I do say so myself, and other than the oxford shirt, everything was cheap (though none of it looks cheap).
 
2012-12-29 06:39:18 PM

Soymilk: Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.

The shirts that don't gap over the boobies billow out around the rest of my torso like a schooner at full sail. Help a sister out. What brands accommodate boobs and waists?


Buy the schooner shirt and have it tailored; it'll fit perfectly then.
 
2012-12-29 09:03:18 PM
My theory has been women's clothes designers are gay and angry at women.
Result = bizarre clothing sizes and pants with no pockets.
My SO can find no holes in this theory.
 
2012-12-29 09:24:46 PM
i1132.photobucket.com

/// the new 14
//that's all
/slimming slashies
 
2012-12-29 09:51:29 PM

xaks: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Please, for the love of Crom, tell me you were just being a smartass here. Like, "Superb Owl" smartass.

PLEASE.


I'm being a smart ass. You're welcome.
 
2012-12-30 02:04:25 AM
FTA:
Women's sizes were derived from bust size-with all other measurements based on the proportions of an hourglass figure-and represented by even numbers from 8 to 38.
...
The study also distinguished five to seven distinct body shapes for women, as opposed to the single hourglass ideal that has long determined the proportions of clothing (and which only 8 percent of American women have).


BWA HA HA HA HA! I have hips and some pudge in the stomach. I'm large in the bust. Skinny in between. Why, then, does almost nothing fit right? D


Lava_Backflips: Extra Medium..


That reminds me of a store I was in once. In the plus section, they had sizes labeled as "plus small," "plus medium," and "plus large." *rolls eyes* Nothing like deluding the heavy people.


Honest Bender: My girlfriend has... large boobies. Don't get her talking about how hard it is to find clothes that fit properly...


Yeah, THIS.


Soymilk: Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.

The shirts that don't gap over the boobies billow out around the rest of my torso like a schooner at full sail. Help a sister out. What brands accommodate boobs and waists?

 
2012-12-30 02:35:38 AM
WTF did I just press?! >[


FTA:
Women's sizes were derived from bust size-with all other measurements based on the proportions of an hourglass figure-and represented by even numbers from 8 to 38.
...
The study also distinguished five to seven distinct body shapes for women, as opposed to the single hourglass ideal that has long determined the proportions of clothing (and which only 8 percent of American women have).


BWA HA HA HA HA! I have hips and some pudge in the stomach. I'm large in the bust. Skinny in between. If clothes are supposedly designed for an hourglass figure, why then, does almost nothing fit right? Damn near every shirt I try that fits in the bust just sags below the bust and in the shoulders. It's awful. I don't know why they can't just make curvy versions of shirts and add some extra fabric in the bust. I am curvy. That is NOT a nice way of saying fat. I'm just curvy. Not everyone is a friggen C-cup.


Lava_Backflips: Extra Medium..


That reminds me of a store I was in once. In the plus section, they had sizes labeled as "plus small," "plus medium," and "plus large." *rolls eyes* Nothing like deluding the heavy people.


Honest Bender: My girlfriend has... large boobies. Don't get her talking about how hard it is to find clothes that fit properly...


Yeah, THIS.


Soymilk: Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.

The shirts that don't gap over the boobies billow out around the rest of my torso like a schooner at full sail. Help a sister out. What brands accommodate boobs and waists?


At least someone understands. This probably won't help you, but to anyone in Canada, the only good button-up blouse I've ever found was at Ricki's. It has rouching in the front and a lot of stretch so it actually fits a curvy body nicely.


/tl;dr If you have big boobs, good luck finding clothes.
 
2012-12-30 04:38:46 AM
This thread could have been so much...
 
2012-12-30 04:40:15 AM

Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.


Kinda harsh.
 
2012-12-30 10:10:08 AM

Thingster: Derigiberble: Thingster: Vanity sizing in menswear is easier to spot.

Regular fit should be pretty close to spot on, relaxed is +1-2", and loose is 2+".

Also, the smaller your waist and the more traditional cut (sits at the waist, not the hips), the more true the size will be.

Go measure the waist of a pair of sub-34" 517's or 501's and you'll get nearly spot on measurements.

The change is really abrupt too so you get this strange bubble in the sizing where a 32 waist is too tight as it is 32.5" yet a 34 is way too large due to having a 36" waist. Thank goodness they still have shrink-to-fit in the 501s.

Knowing a tailor or knowing how to sew yourself is really required for a proper fit anyway because the semi form-fitting look that is still the style now (yes I know the style is supposedly more straight-leg but the actual cuts required to not look like 80's baggy pants for anyone not of the indie-band build male model are still tapered, they just look straight after years of skinny jeans) is much less forgiving of different body types than traditional cuts. Have thighs that are slightly larger in proportion to your waist and calf than what is expected? Good luck finding anything to fit off the rack that will fit your lower leg and waist while at the same time not looking like skinny jeans through the thigh.

That, too.

I know 34 and smaller are cut similar, while 36 and larger get more inches added to them to make them appropriately "loose". I just don't know the typical additional inches for the +34" sizing.

Which leaves the true 34-36 as a pretty typical gap, as you pointed out.

But I'm one of the skinny guys, so pants tend to run pretty true. 30/30 is hard to screw up so long as you really are 30/30 and know anything marked relaxed or loose is just going to fall off.

But shirts, God help me. 16.5/40/32 are easy to find, but to me chest sizing vanity is worse than waist sizing. 40" shirts now are closer to 44" 15 years ago.

Necks and sleeves are ...


I have tall sons with very wide shoulders and slender hips, so most shirts are baggy on them through the body. I look for "Athletic Cut" shirts that are more fitted through the body. I don't usually have to take them in then, thank jebus.
 
2012-12-30 10:15:56 AM

Soymilk: Bungles: Soymilk: Bilgewater: Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.

Male designers hate female breasts more than female feet. I have yet to find off-the-rack (heehee) button dress shirts that don't gap open in the front. Is it so hard to accommodate boobies in a dress shirt?


If every shirt you try does this, maybe it's not the shirt. You have weird tits.

The shirts that don't gap over the boobies billow out around the rest of my torso like a schooner at full sail. Help a sister out. What brands accommodate boobs and waists?


Thin and Curvy: Clothes for Curves
 
2012-12-30 10:36:07 PM

Spanky McStupid: Women cannot find a pair of jeans without trying on at least (CSB) 10 pair of jeans. True size does not exist.

I used to be a size 12 then they "standardized" the sizes and overnight I became a size 8. Wait ... whut? Add to that pedophile or gay (NNTAWWT) designers who disdain women's breasts and hips and design clothing for the average 10 year-old boy and it's no wonder women are insane when it comes to buying clothing.

Don't get me started on "Size zero".


I'm not going to criticize size zero, it's mainly for teens hitting puberty. I know I probably wouldn't have fit it once I hit 13, grew to 5'6 and developed an hour glass(My prior size of 5'1 with no hips at 11-12 may have though) Anyways, I worked helping a very slender, elderly woman who could barely walk or eat, At about 80 pounds, she still wore a size 2. My sister in law is 5'1, maybe 100 pounds and a 2 or 4. She needed a ceasarean with a 7 pound baby. Personally, I'm fat and jolly at around size 14. It's not too bad, because I am toned despite the fat.
 
2012-12-30 11:27:33 PM

wow: Cerridwen: Vanity sizing has become a real problem. I was about a size 4 when I was 20. 15 years later, even though my weight,height and body measurements have not changed, I'm now fitting in size 0's or even 00's. I'm starting to wonder if I will soon be a size 000 or -2 if this continues.

But I can see why clothing manufactures do it. I work in the bridal/special occasion industry. We have women who will come in and say "I'm a size 12". Then when everything marked size 12 is to small, they will LEAVE saying "Nothing fits me here.", rather than trying on dresses in a larger size that would actually fit them. The bridal industry does not vanity size. Their sizing is more consistent with what sizes were 20 years ago. Don't get me started on Missy vs Women sizing either. A 16 Womens size can be several inches larger than a 16 Missy size. And often it's just the brand that decides if thier sizing will be a Missy cut or Womens cut. This can really decieve women as to their actual size.

totally.

I was the same size in the 90's as I am today, and I was wearing probably a size 8.

Today, I wear a size 2-4 in pretty much all major stores.

My boyfriend gave me a sizing chart for a present he was going to get me, and it must have been from the 1920's, because my 36-27-36 was a size 14. Geez.

I mean, its a great ego boost to know I can wear a small size now, but its really deflating to see over the course of the last century, I am "heavy." ... and I still get that reminder any time I try on a high-end designer dress - they seem to be the only people out there trying not to scale up sizes for our growing waistlines. I do look forward to the day when I am also a 000. :)


We have better overall nutrition now than our grand parents and great grand parents who grew up in times where there often wasn't enough food. People easily got sick and died in those times, as you may have heard, malnourishment doesn't help where trying to fight off disease and infection.For the same reason, people were also shorter stature, underfed and wanting as children=smaller adult height. Yes, we live in an age of excess now, but consider the alternative.
 
2012-12-31 01:28:25 AM
Oh, and if you're still obsessing about size, you might as well acknowledge your suckiness and bow down to my niece. She's got the tiniest little figure, perfectly formed, looks good in everything, everyone loves her and I can reach around her waist and touch my hands. She's at least 90 pounds lighter than everyone on here, if not more. Oh, also she's 2 months old. Did I not mention that?
 
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