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2012-12-29 08:16:54 AM
because women are stupid?
WOOT!!!
What do I win??


No seriously. Why do women allow this?
Yes, we realize that you have more frame bits to fit, but still.
bust, hips, waist, inseam, frame length, cup size
in the very LEAST you could demand these bits be consistently reported

Oh look my pants have a waist and inseam measure. TADA. they fit

CSB
bought a couple of pairs of the custom fit levis for my GF (back when they were still available)
You went to the store, they had you try on "sample" bits, to get the hips, waist and inseam JUST RIGHT.
You ordered a pair built to those measures. They get ordered and show up later.
She cried. Perfect fit pants??
/CSB
 
2012-12-29 09:40:16 AM
And what is the deal with airline food?!
 
2012-12-29 10:46:38 AM
It all makes sense because I buy all my Hawaiian shirts super-ultra-mega-large.
 
2012-12-29 11:17:06 AM
I think the headline should be "Womens clothing sizes make no sense".

Mens sizes uses...inches.
 
2012-12-29 11:19:10 AM
Don't wear clothing?
 
2012-12-29 11:20:00 AM
That's why I have a penis. It automatically converts clothing sizes from arbitrary "sizes" into rational measurements
 
2012-12-29 11:20:10 AM

fredklein: I think the headline should be "Womens clothing sizes make no sense".

Mens sizes uses...inches.


Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.
 
2012-12-29 11:21:04 AM
Women cannot find a pair of jeans without trying on at least (CSB) 10 pair of jeans. True size does not exist.

I used to be a size 12 then they "standardized" the sizes and overnight I became a size 8. Wait ... whut? Add to that pedophile or gay (NNTAWWT) designers who disdain women's breasts and hips and design clothing for the average 10 year-old boy and it's no wonder women are insane when it comes to buying clothing.

Don't get me started on "Size zero".
 
2012-12-29 11:22:16 AM

Ramen_Hotep: Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.


Nope- just measured it- 42" = 42".
 
2012-12-29 11:22:28 AM

Ramen_Hotep: fredklein: I think the headline should be "Womens clothing sizes make no sense".

Mens sizes uses...inches.

Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.


Just like my penis...wait...did that come out right?
 
2012-12-29 11:23:18 AM
Male designers are misogynists. A cursory glance at women's so-called "footwear" (aka medieval torcher devices) will tell you that.
 
2012-12-29 11:23:51 AM
TSA is missing out on an opportunity here. Each time you go through the porno-scanner at the airport, you should be able to get a copy of your body measurements. Upload them to your favorite online store and you have an up to date fit.

Or you could just use the Kinect, though I'm not sure it has the resolution to actually get good enough measurements.
 
2012-12-29 11:24:14 AM
As a guy I'm pretty easy to fit. Just give me a 2XLT shirt and 48x32 Levi 560's and I'm set.

The problem then becomes FINDING those items. I hate 3XL, fits like a farking tent. And no one keeps the actual 560's in stock for some reason. No, I don't want these 559's and their variegated denim.

I haven't worn business casual in a while but I know dress shirts use real sizes. And that's where women's sizing falls apart. Something in the psychology where you can't say what the actual dimensions of the person are. And then you get a sizing war to where brands grow to accommodate larger women who still want to be the same size they were in college. Bite the bullet and use real numbers.
 
2012-12-29 11:25:08 AM

Bilgewater: (aka medieval torcher devices)


*snert*
 
2012-12-29 11:25:30 AM
Eh, it's not just women's clothing. I have 2 pair of the same item number jeans from the same manufacturer, same size 30 waist, one is a little tight and one is way loose.
 
2012-12-29 11:26:02 AM

fredklein: Ramen_Hotep: Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.

Nope- just measured it- 42" = 42".


And, in any case, a 'loose' 42 that is really 42-44 is certainly better than a "8" or a "10" or a "14"- what do those even mean? They aren't inches, or cubits- they're just arbitrary numbers.
 
2012-12-29 11:29:30 AM
Ever since I found a brand of button-down shirt that fit me the way I wanted, I gradually amassed a collection of fifteen of them over the years, pretty much all for work. Thanks, Kohl's.
 
2012-12-29 11:29:31 AM

fredklein: Ramen_Hotep: Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.

Nope- just measured it- 42" = 42".


What brand do you buy? Seriously, I'm actually curious as to what brand doesn't vanity size.

I have a 34" waist and wear size 31 Slim Cut Levis. Every brand I've tried on in a store has had differing amounts of vanity sizing, but I don't think I've ever found a pair with none. Levi was actually one of the closer to true brands, with only a few inches of slack.
 
2012-12-29 11:29:53 AM

namatad: because women are stupid?
WOOT!!!
What do I win??


One empty bed.
 
2012-12-29 11:30:21 AM

fredklein: Nope- just measured it- 42" = 42"


Then those pants are bad. A 42" waist is supposed to fit someone with 42" at the waist. Which means it needs to be slightly larger than 42". Or it's got elastic in it. Either way, those are crappy pants.
 
2012-12-29 11:30:23 AM
Same stupid article that has been floating around for years, it's a lazy space filler when they know people are not really reading.

If all sizes were consistent then 90% of women wouldn't find clothing that fits.

In the UK most women have a 2" drop (x/x-10/x+2), their hips are bigger than their bust. In Mediterranean countries the hour glass (x/x-10"/x) is more common. Asian women tend to a more rectangular figures.

Different suppliers chose to fit their clothes to the woman that they are marketing at.

Men don't get a free pass either, just because the leg/waist measurements are the same does not mean the trousers are cut the same.
 
2012-12-29 11:32:31 AM
Men's trousers can be all over the place too, and they're supposed to be a system based on actual real-world measuring units (and that's ignoring the common practice of vanity sizing that happens to men too).

They whole system is daft anyway, because very few styles of mens trousers in 2012 are worn on the waist, but closer to the hips. You're not a 36 inch waist, you have 36 inch hips, and a 48inch waist, you fat slob.
 
2012-12-29 11:32:56 AM
Extra Medium..
 
2012-12-29 11:34:29 AM
For pants depending on brand what side of the ten pound bubble I'm on when I buy them I'm a 36 -38 waist and 30 - 32 length. 38's tend to be too loose and 36's are a little tight while the 30in length are a little too short and the 32's are a little too long. They don't make 37 ' 31's though so I'm farked. And yeah I sound fat.
 
2012-12-29 11:36:25 AM
I went through a period of buying clothes from a company that sells clothes to the Plain Folk: Amish and whatnot. Now these clothes were not vanity sized, which led to some little consternation at first. Until I actually measured myself.

/boring story, bro.
//cheap sturdy and nice clothes, tho.
 
2012-12-29 11:39:26 AM

TheOther: Bilgewater: (aka medieval torcher devices)

*snert*


When we return to our home planet the High Court may well sentence you to

www.tomgraeff.com

TORCHER!
 
2012-12-29 11:41:13 AM

Warrener: fredklein: Ramen_Hotep: Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.

Nope- just measured it- 42" = 42".

What brand do you buy? Seriously, I'm actually curious as to what brand doesn't vanity size.

I have a 34" waist and wear size 31 Slim Cut Levis. Every brand I've tried on in a store has had differing amounts of vanity sizing, but I don't think I've ever found a pair with none. Levi was actually one of the closer to true brands, with only a few inches of slack.


This should help. Dockers are bad at vanity sizing. Old Navy are for chunky deniers.
 
2012-12-29 11:41:55 AM
Men's sizes are only "better" in a relative sense. I have shirts that I (foolishly) bought online that all have the same size on the tag. Some hang on me like a tent while others are obscenely skin-tight.
 
2012-12-29 11:42:03 AM

Son of Thunder: When we return to our home planet the High Court may well sentence you to

www.tomgraeff.com

TORCHER!


! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

:D

WHAT ABOUT TORTCHER?!
 
2012-12-29 11:42:24 AM
We should just get naked a little bit at a time and somewhere down the road it will be the norm. Women, I suggest you start first with losing the bras then having a bra that's too tight or pinches you will become a thing of the past you'll laugh about..
 
2012-12-29 11:42:52 AM
I should have added: Dockers are made by Levi's.
 
2012-12-29 11:44:09 AM
My girlfriend has... large boobies. Don't get her talking about how hard it is to find clothes that fit properly...
 
2012-12-29 11:45:12 AM

Jackpot777: Warrener: fredklein: Ramen_Hotep: Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.

Nope- just measured it- 42" = 42".

What brand do you buy? Seriously, I'm actually curious as to what brand doesn't vanity size.

I have a 34" waist and wear size 31 Slim Cut Levis. Every brand I've tried on in a store has had differing amounts of vanity sizing, but I don't think I've ever found a pair with none. Levi was actually one of the closer to true brands, with only a few inches of slack.

This should help. Dockers are bad at vanity sizing. Old Navy are for chunky deniers.


It's also gotten worse in recent years, so if your pants are 5 years old their measurements may be more reliable.

Mid-range women's stores like Banana Republic are the worst for vanity sizing. Once you get up into real designer clothing, you see a change back. But at the highest end, the brands are making all their money off handbags and sunglasses, where sizing doesn't matter.
 
2012-12-29 11:45:49 AM
Not to sound all cutesy, but if any of you need help with finding clothes with your correct measurements, all you need to do is go to etsy. You'll find it.

/I've never actually used it, but friends have
 
2012-12-29 11:48:10 AM

TheOther: Ramen_Hotep: fredklein: I think the headline should be "Womens clothing sizes make no sense".

Mens sizes uses...inches.

Men's sizes are also vanity sized. Your 42 inch waist is actually cut to fit 44 inches.

Just like my penis...wait...did that come out right?


Not if you're two inches short of filling the void.
 
2012-12-29 11:48:38 AM
Vanity sizing has become a real problem. I was about a size 4 when I was 20. 15 years later, even though my weight,height and body measurements have not changed, I'm now fitting in size 0's or even 00's. I'm starting to wonder if I will soon be a size 000 or -2 if this continues.

But I can see why clothing manufactures do it. I work in the bridal/special occasion industry. We have women who will come in and say "I'm a size 12". Then when everything marked size 12 is to small, they will LEAVE saying "Nothing fits me here.", rather than trying on dresses in a larger size that would actually fit them. The bridal industry does not vanity size. Their sizing is more consistent with what sizes were 20 years ago. Don't get me started on Missy vs Women sizing either. A 16 Womens size can be several inches larger than a 16 Missy size. And often it's just the brand that decides if thier sizing will be a Missy cut or Womens cut. This can really decieve women as to their actual size.
 
2012-12-29 11:49:33 AM

Jackpot777: This should help. Dockers are bad at vanity sizing. Old Navy are for chunky deniers.


Yeah, I was tempted to include a link to that article as well. I'm only mildly annoyed by vanity sizing as long as it stays consistent within a brand and can be compensated for easily.

I'm still wondering what brand Fred is buying that doesn't vanity size at all.

The only clothes I've ever gotten that were the same measurements as indicated were from a tailor. Off the rack varies from 3-8 inches larger than advertised.
 
2012-12-29 11:51:41 AM
I'm that guy who buys a plain work shirt that lasts for years. I try to look as socialist as I can, you know... doing my part to fight the man. I also blend right into the walls at parties. It's amazing.
 
2012-12-29 11:56:06 AM
I saw a girl with a tight Sweatshirt on that said " GUESS "

I said, " A diet of cheeseburgers and shakes! "
 
2012-12-29 12:00:51 PM
Vanity sizing in menswear is easier to spot.

Regular fit should be pretty close to spot on, relaxed is +1-2", and loose is 2+".

Also, the smaller your waist and the more traditional cut (sits at the waist, not the hips), the more true the size will be.

Go measure the waist of a pair of sub-34" 517's or 501's and you'll get nearly spot on measurements.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:35 PM
I have absolutely no clue what size I am because I could grab 5 different brands and they would all be different sizes. It's made me hate shopping so much that I practically wear my jeans until they fall apart.
 
2012-12-29 12:09:17 PM
according to my after christmas shopping observations, i wear either a size 0, 1, 3, or 5 in pants depending on the brand and how much crack the designer was smoking and how much meth the sweatshop workers were plowing through on the day they were constructed.
 
2012-12-29 12:11:06 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: It all makes sense because I my mom buy all my Hawaiian shirts super-ultra-mega-large.


FTFY
 
2012-12-29 12:17:04 PM
No different than asking a guy how big 10" is.........
 
2012-12-29 12:19:54 PM

FizixJunkee: FTFY


The comedic stylings of Carrot Top, ladies and gentlemen!
 
2012-12-29 12:21:08 PM

hugheric: For pants depending on brand what side of the ten pound bubble I'm on when I buy them I'm a 36 -38 waist and 30 - 32 length. 38's tend to be too loose and 36's are a little tight while the 30in length are a little too short and the 32's are a little too long. They don't make 37 ' 31's though so I'm farked. And yeah I sound fat.


But your tailor does. Take the 38 x 32 pants and ten bucks to your tailor and they'll magically turn into a 37 x 31 pair.
 
2012-12-29 12:23:21 PM

t3knomanser: A 42" waist is supposed to fit someone with 42" at the waist. Which means it needs to be slightly larger than 42".


"A 5mm nut is supposed to fit a 5mm bolt. Which means it needs to be slightly larger than 5mm."

Um, what?
 
2012-12-29 12:23:35 PM

Son of Thunder: Men's sizes are only "better" in a relative sense. I have shirts that I (foolishly) bought online that all have the same size on the tag. Some hang on me like a tent while others are obscenely skin-tight.


I bought some T-shirts direct from polo (dont get me started).
I bought the identical shirt, two different colors.
The black fit perfect, the blue were so tight I thought I would die.

So is this a SIZING issue or a manufacture issue?
 
2012-12-29 12:23:48 PM
Since the early 1990's, I did the majority of my shopping through Land's End. Measure myself, pick what I want, viola it arrives, and rarely did I ever have to send anything back. Since they were bought up by Sears, I can go to an actual store and try it on. Quality has slipped somewhat, but overall, I'm still pretty loyal.

Well, a situation developed that I needed a less classic look, like 5 minutes ago, so I head to a mall to look for something. Amazingly, I ended up purchasing an outfit that was 4 sizes smaller on the bottom and 2 sizes smaller on top, than what I normally wear. I made the demonstration, landed the deal, and went back to wearing my usual, un-trendy style. The new outfit lasted through 2 cleanings, and started fading, losing stitches, etc.

tl;dr I hate shopping.
 
wow
2012-12-29 12:25:27 PM

Cerridwen: Vanity sizing has become a real problem. I was about a size 4 when I was 20. 15 years later, even though my weight,height and body measurements have not changed, I'm now fitting in size 0's or even 00's. I'm starting to wonder if I will soon be a size 000 or -2 if this continues.

But I can see why clothing manufactures do it. I work in the bridal/special occasion industry. We have women who will come in and say "I'm a size 12". Then when everything marked size 12 is to small, they will LEAVE saying "Nothing fits me here.", rather than trying on dresses in a larger size that would actually fit them. The bridal industry does not vanity size. Their sizing is more consistent with what sizes were 20 years ago. Don't get me started on Missy vs Women sizing either. A 16 Womens size can be several inches larger than a 16 Missy size. And often it's just the brand that decides if thier sizing will be a Missy cut or Womens cut. This can really decieve women as to their actual size.


totally.

I was the same size in the 90's as I am today, and I was wearing probably a size 8.

Today, I wear a size 2-4 in pretty much all major stores.

My boyfriend gave me a sizing chart for a present he was going to get me, and it must have been from the 1920's, because my 36-27-36 was a size 14. Geez.

I mean, its a great ego boost to know I can wear a small size now, but its really deflating to see over the course of the last century, I am "heavy." ... and I still get that reminder any time I try on a high-end designer dress - they seem to be the only people out there trying not to scale up sizes for our growing waistlines. I do look forward to the day when I am also a 000. :)
 
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