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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Apparently, the school thinks an appropriate punishment for a white student putting a noose and KKK paraphernalia on the desk of a black classmate is a suspension instead of expulsion and criminal charges   (startribune.com) divider line 204
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2012-12-29 12:27:29 PM

sheep snorter: Discrimination creates discrimination.

Lets bus different colored kids to another school for equality.
Lets set up funds for minorities for equal access to education.
Lets make a school with only females or only males.
Lets allow immigrants to ignore our laws and make special allowances for their culture.
Lets make special monetary discounts for old people.
Lets treat under 18's as having no constitutional rights or freedoms.
Lets fondle and grope people and say its for their safety from brown people.

/Is white people a minority yet?
//2015.


Which of these things caused a teen boy to leave symbols of racially-motivated lynching and white nationalism on a teen girl's desk?

You sound like a barely-functioning AI script firing off "instances of inequality" as if they were a relevant argument. I think you may have failed the Turing Test.
 
2012-12-29 12:28:19 PM
I suspect that town is a whiter than my freshly bleached tube socks. The kid had probably never seen anyone who wasn't northern European before in his entire life. At least face to face. The name of the adoptive mother screams white lady busybody and while I applaud her adopting a 14 year old, her new daughter is going to stand out like a goldfish in a bowl full of minnows. The fact that she made a federal case out of it also screams attention whore.

It's just an all around bad deal.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:19 PM

sgnilward: I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.


1) I dont think that you know what the word ignorance means
2) I have never been around nazi prison camp survivors, but I know not to make jokes about how the nazi's were trying to save the planet. Never been around??? what kind of dumbass excuse is that??

seriously, I grew up in the most racist neighborhood in chicago during the farking 68 riots. I didnt have to learn how to talk to blacks or mexicans, I just talked like my parents did to everyone. as equals.
I didnt throw nooses on white kids desks, nor on black kids desks.

Proper punishment for a kid like this is to bus him to an inner city black school for the rest of his public education. He will learn quite a bit.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:38 PM
Obviously a noose would lead to suspension for *someone*...
 
2012-12-29 12:29:50 PM

bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.


Why are we assuming the parents are the source of the problem? Is it possible that the lad's racism came about from having to deal with bullies, or negatively imparted expiriences from said races?

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:25 PM
What would the school have to do with criminal charges subby?
 
2012-12-29 12:30:39 PM

Alphakronik: Jon iz teh kewl: KKK isn't the problem. the problem was slavery

They're still a problem.


They're more of a pathetic ambarrassing joke than a problem.
And this kid is more of a dumbass in need of a medium beat-down than a criminal.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:52 PM
ya, expel him for some speech. Good that.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:59 PM
As tasteless as his action is, it is protected under free speech. It's no different than the KKK or Neo-Nazis holding a rally. The child simply expressed his view.

Jason
 
2012-12-29 12:31:09 PM

sgnilward: Having lived in that town, and having gone to high school fifteen miles from there twenty years ago where a very similar incident happened, involving a noose tossed at some black kids who were visiting some friends at our school, I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.

Flashback twenty years ago and the punishment meted out was the same. One week suspension. I thought it was light then, but looking back, the fact is, it was a dumbass kid who committed the offense. He's still a dumbass 20 years hence, but has not committed any hate crimes beyond being a dumbass in high school.


I have trouble seeing this as a "harmless prank." The noose was a death threat, and could have been subjectively intended only to convey a death threat.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:29 PM
Great, more stories about racist Yankees. I don't know why the north is so intolerant of the blacks.
 
2012-12-29 12:33:48 PM

LanceDearnis: Nah, one-week suspension is fine. If he's a 'first offender', suspend him for a week, throw him out of any school clubs, and so on.


But lord have mercy on him if he draws a gun in a notebook...
 
2012-12-29 12:33:53 PM
I'm as upset as you are, but surely expulsion is not the answer. Kids get knowledge before they get wisdom. Shame them with some suspension. If they're expelled permanently, they'll most likely keep their views.
 
2012-12-29 12:35:16 PM

MrMaxwell: He was moronic. Every one of you made a moronic mistake at his age. To those calling for death for a child's mistake? How is that not a terrorist threat? Or a moronic mistake. Perhaps it's worth reporting you for attempting to incite violence.


It's a genetic/environmental problem. Dumbass doesnt excuse racist. This little POS will be racist for the rest of his life. I dont care that he was "dumb." why does his ignorance trump the poor black kids terror?
You dont think that that kid isnt spending a lot of time thinking about how this might escalate to beatings or worse? so yah, stomping on the hate when it springs up is probably the only way to keep the other little maggots in line.

"hmmmmmmmm we can taunt this kid some more, and all we get is a vacation from school"
or
"hmmmmmmmm maybe I dont want to get expelled so I shouldnt act like an asshole at school"
 
2012-12-29 12:35:46 PM

gunga galunga: clane: blacks are more racist than whites

0/10

Next time try just a modicum of subtlety.


When I lived in DC that's the situation I experienced, the black people I knew and worked with were far more racist than the white people.


Noone exceeded the racism of the asians though. Actually had people asking what the fark I was doing at a Korean BBQ place at 3 in the morning. (Honey Pig in Annandale)
 
2012-12-29 12:36:13 PM

clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.

Why are we assuming the parents are the source of the problem? Is it possible that the lad's racism came about from having to deal with bullies, or negatively imparted expiriences from said races?

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.


Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.
 
2012-12-29 12:36:45 PM

mittromneysdog: sgnilward: Having lived in that town, and having gone to high school fifteen miles from there twenty years ago where a very similar incident happened, involving a noose tossed at some black kids who were visiting some friends at our school, I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.

Flashback twenty years ago and the punishment meted out was the same. One week suspension. I thought it was light then, but looking back, the fact is, it was a dumbass kid who committed the offense. He's still a dumbass 20 years hence, but has not committed any hate crimes beyond being a dumbass in high school.

I have trouble seeing this as a "harmless prank." The noose was a death threat, and could have been subjectively intended only to convey a death threat.


A miniature macrame noose is a "death threat" for whom? The girl's hamster?
 
2012-12-29 12:37:06 PM

Dear Jerk: I'm as upset as you are, but surely expulsion is not the answer. Kids get knowledge before they get wisdom. Shame them with some suspension. If they're expelled permanently, they'll most likely keep their views.


Most likely staying in high school with blacks will only confirm his stereotypes.

The most tolerant people are in white suburbs far away from "urban" culture.
 
2012-12-29 12:37:43 PM
Am I suppose to be outraged or something?
 
2012-12-29 12:39:59 PM

Polyhazard: sheep snorter: Discrimination creates discrimination.

Lets bus different colored kids to another school for equality.
Lets set up funds for minorities for equal access to education.
Lets make a school with only females or only males.
Lets allow immigrants to ignore our laws and make special allowances for their culture.
Lets make special monetary discounts for old people.
Lets treat under 18's as having no constitutional rights or freedoms.
Lets fondle and grope people and say its for their safety from brown people.

/Is white people a minority yet?
//2015.

Which of these things caused a teen boy to leave symbols of racially-motivated lynching and white nationalism on a teen girl's desk?

You sound like a barely-functioning AI script firing off "instances of inequality" as if they were a relevant argument. I think you may have failed the Turing Test.


More like the Voight-Kampf. "You're not helping. Why are you not helping?"
 
2012-12-29 12:40:59 PM

sgnilward: I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.


Central WI... yeah.

Polyhazard: And then this stupid little farkwit comes along and pulls this stunt. Whatever the punishment, it should include community service-- preferably in a minority community. Let this kid learn a thing or two from his mistake.


GL w/ that, nearest one is 3 hours away.

Outside of Milwaukee (city proper, not county), where whites are actually a minority, Wisconsin is soooooooo white. There are tons of communities where a kid could make it to 18 without ever seeing a black person besides on TV. Not to excuse what this little shiat did, and there are some pockets of actual white supremacists and things in southern Wisconsin, and this asshole who built a Hitler memorial... but yeah. Idk what my point is.
 
2012-12-29 12:41:30 PM
Oh, so being suspended means that now he's immune to criminal charges? What if, instead of making a stupid racist threat, he'd actually done something, but hadn't indicated any racial/religious/sexual motivation? Like what if he had pushed a nerd down the stairs or beat up the kid who stutters (assuming of course those victims were white heterosexual Christian males), would people be as outraged or would that just be bullying--and while still reprehensible--not a thoughtcrime?
 
2012-12-29 12:41:54 PM

WayToBlue: Just curious subby, what criminal statute applies here?


Hate crimes. Threat of bodily injury.

Unless the kid has a history of this behavior, I would recommend a counciler meet with him and the parents to see if there was some underlying cause for the behavior, and attend sensitivity (cultural awareness) training. Harsh punishment would likely justify his behavior (at least in the mind of the kid) and may only serve to fuel future racist attitudes. A repeat of said behavior should be treated as criminal behavior and treated accordingly.
 
2012-12-29 12:42:08 PM

Coco LaFemme: " and arrest him for making terroristic threats


Because some redneck kid parading around racially inflammatory items = 911.

You ever think of working for the government? You might have a fact paced career at the TSA waiting for you.
 
2012-12-29 12:42:21 PM
We had the same sort of deal in our high school. A couple kids came dressed as KKK for halloween. The black kids complained. The principal lectured everyone over the loudspeaker. Most of us thought 'oh, that would suck from the black kids' point of view.' Lesson learned.
 
2012-12-29 12:45:22 PM
Is this the thread where we pretend that a noose is a completely neutral symbol with absolutely no meaning, and that hundreds of years of American history of lynchings ignored (or abetted) by state police and governments never happened? Good, that sounds refreshing.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:34 PM
One day in-school detention isn't nearly enough.

Expulsion and/or getting the law involved is too much.

Middle ground people...there's acres and acres of it.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:55 PM
Not that I am defending the kid at all but subby just because someone offends you it doesn't allow for charges.
 
2012-12-29 12:49:02 PM
Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.
 
2012-12-29 12:50:06 PM

namatad: Carotid: Being raised like that is punishment enough.

/not really
//just partly enough.

Kill him, kill the parents, foster care the rest of the siblings.
Do this enough times and at least the bigots will go back to HIDING their bullshiat.

/on the plus side, I like that the bigots have come out of the woodwork. Makes it much easier to shun them and vote against them.


And next we can finally get those goddam jews, amirite?
 
2012-12-29 12:55:25 PM
I would find either one acceptable. Depends on his age and his history.

But as others have said, I wouldn't mind seeing the parents tarred and feathered.
 
2012-12-29 12:55:36 PM

wambu: Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.



You must watch a lot of TV. TV scripts do not mirror real life.
 
2012-12-29 12:58:46 PM

Clemkadidlefark: The KKK and associated noose are symbols of the Democrat Party conservative ideology.


FTFY

Sticking with old, traditional ways of doing things despite the fact that they're hateful and abhorrent is a conservative act, no matter which party is doing it. Trying--however haltingly--to improve the lives of the poor or the oppressed is a progressive act, no matter which party is doing it.
 
2012-12-29 12:59:34 PM

cosmiquemuffin: FTFA:

"'Baldwin-Woodville is a good place, and we're proud of that fact,' [School Board Member Deb Rasmussen] said. "

Um.... no.  Also FTFA:

"Hitzeman said that other students, after hearing of the boy's suspension, have criticized her foster daughter, saying she overreacted to a joke."

A joke. Hardy har har.  Oh, yeah, and...

" 'She has been experiencing racial comments since joining our family her eighth-grade year,' Hitzeman wrote in an e-mail sent to an advocate for disadvantaged youth and shared with the Star Tribune.  "

These "kids" at this school need more than sensitivity training and toothless suspensions.  They need a harrowing Twilight Zone style mind-f*ck.


Has anyone brought up the possibility that this girl was an obnoxious, pain in the ass who just happened to be black? I don't know her personally, but I have met kids who were perpetually "bullied" for the fact that they couldn't say anything without getting on someone's nerves.

When kids bully- they go for the low hanging fruit. Calling this girl a slut when she doesn't date or a fattie if she were thin doesn't have the desired effect one would want. Doen't say whether she was tagged with the big "N" word very often so maybe they were smart enough to know you never call a black person the "N" word. Not very bright using racially charged symbology but appeared to get the desired effect- basically getting under the victims skin.
 
2012-12-29 12:59:47 PM
Just dump him in "The Ghetto" with a "Die hard with a vengeance" sign on him. See if he thinks it's funny then.

/not posting that pic.
 
2012-12-29 01:01:29 PM

Dear Jerk: I'm as upset as you are, but surely expulsion is not the answer.


That boy needs therapy (Pops).

/Purely psychosomatic
 
2012-12-29 01:01:34 PM

namatad: sgnilward: I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.

1) I dont think that you know what the word ignorance means
2) I have never been around nazi prison camp survivors, but I know not to make jokes about how the nazi's were trying to save the planet. Never been around??? what kind of dumbass excuse is that??

seriously, I grew up in the most racist neighborhood in chicago during the farking 68 riots. I didnt have to learn how to talk to blacks or mexicans, I just talked like my parents did to everyone. as equals.
I didnt throw nooses on white kids desks, nor on black kids desks.

Proper punishment for a kid like this is to bus him to an inner city black school for the rest of his public education. He will learn quite a bit.


Your first point doesn't make any sense. "Ignorant" means "unaware". You may disagree with the original statement, but the word was used correctly.
 
2012-12-29 01:03:52 PM

VictoryCabal: Is this the thread where we pretend that a noose is a completely neutral symbol with absolutely no meaning, and that hundreds of years of American history of lynchings ignored (or abetted) by state police and governments never happened? Good, that sounds refreshing.


Well, I'm kind of a pussy and a loser in real life, so threads like this also let me vent racist comments. Makes me feel like a big man.
 
2012-12-29 01:06:16 PM

cosmiquemuffin: These "kids" at this school need more than sensitivity training and toothless suspensions. They need a harrowing Twilight Zone style mind-f*ck.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-29 01:09:42 PM

Dahnkster: But, did they catch him writin' ridin' dirty?

[shetlandpeople.com image 750x600]

biatches better get it right!

What's my mutha-farkin' name!


Those are Nazarenos from Spain, not klansmen.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:28 PM
Stupid kids do stupid kid things. What he did is probably the second most ignorant thing behind burning a cross on her lawn. However he is a kid and some tolerance should be demonstrated which means that it ain't right to look for blood until blood is drawn. Putting him in PMINTA prison is just a good way make every one feel better while losing this kid forever. If you can learn racism then it can sure as fark be unlearned.

Personally I see no difference between what this kid did and those who fly that traitorous rag of a flag. Each stand for a very dark time, a time that this region (and sympathizers) would be better off getting over.
 
2012-12-29 01:17:17 PM

Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.

Why are we assuming the parents are the source of the problem? Is it possible that the lad's racism came about from having to deal with bullies, or negatively imparted expiriences from said races?

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.

Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.


You surmised that they're stupid by his comment?

You must be Wile E Coyote. Super genius!

Either that or you're ignorant. I am going with ignorant.
 
2012-12-29 01:17:50 PM

Vectron: wambu: Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.


You must watch a lot of TV. TV scripts do not mirror real life.


Not much TV, just lived in a small town for years.

/all in who you know
 
2012-12-29 01:18:15 PM
Funny thing about this...

I had a hunch that maybe this town (Baldwin) had been a "sundown town" at some point, so I searched the sundown town database. While Baldwin wasn't mentioned, it didn't surprise me that much to see that it was completely surrounded by probable sundown towns.

New Richmond (just north-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

River Falls (just south-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Menomonie (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Hudson (just west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Barron (just north-east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Eau Claire (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data and documented racial exclusion/mistreatment of Black baseball players on a local team


So very interesting to me.

BTW...if you haven't read this book yet, pick it up ASAP. A real eye-opener.

images.betterworldbooks.com
 
2012-12-29 01:19:24 PM

wambu: Vectron: wambu: Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.


You must watch a lot of TV. TV scripts do not mirror real life.

Not much TV, just lived in a small town for years.

/all in who you know


Sorry. I was wrong.
 
2012-12-29 01:20:46 PM
I really agree with Chris Rock on this; there are degrees of people. You've got normal people and you've got idiots. That crosses all races, ages, upbringings ect.

/ trying to reason with idiots is like trying to reason with a particularly stubborn child
 
2012-12-29 01:23:55 PM
Ignorant racists still abound in flyover states? Colour me shocked.
 
2012-12-29 01:24:09 PM
 
2012-12-29 01:25:43 PM
well that is just life in the deep south for you...

wait... people from other areas of the country can be inbred racists too?
 
2012-12-29 01:26:24 PM

ParaHandy: Ignorant racists still abound in flyover states? Colour me shocked.


Because there are no racists in NY or CA
 
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