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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Apparently, the school thinks an appropriate punishment for a white student putting a noose and KKK paraphernalia on the desk of a black classmate is a suspension instead of expulsion and criminal charges   (startribune.com) divider line 204
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2012-12-29 08:44:17 AM
Being raised like that is punishment enough.

/not really
//just partly enough.
 
2012-12-29 09:41:41 AM

Carotid: Being raised like that is punishment enough.

/not really
//just partly enough.


Kill him, kill the parents, foster care the rest of the siblings.
Do this enough times and at least the bigots will go back to HIDING their bullshiat.

/on the plus side, I like that the bigots have come out of the woodwork. Makes it much easier to shun them and vote against them.
 
2012-12-29 10:34:09 AM
Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).
 
2012-12-29 10:44:31 AM
The use of macrame' does show some creativity.
 
2012-12-29 11:04:35 AM
100% chance this little defective got his ideas and notions from his parents.  Racism and bigotry is learned behavior.  First you expel his ass and arrest him for making terroristic threats.  Then you beat the hell out of his parents, preferably with a mace.
 
2012-12-29 11:25:36 AM
Having lived in that town, and having gone to high school fifteen miles from there twenty years ago where a very similar incident happened, involving a noose tossed at some black kids who were visiting some friends at our school, I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.

Flashback twenty years ago and the punishment meted out was the same. One week suspension. I thought it was light then, but looking back, the fact is, it was a dumbass kid who committed the offense. He's still a dumbass 20 years hence, but has not committed any hate crimes beyond being a dumbass in high school.

I hope some of this anecdote helps understand the situation. Careful condemning the parents, kids, teachers and administrators here. Most are too ignorant from being raised in a very sheltered environment.
 
2012-12-29 11:29:55 AM

ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).


Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.
 
2012-12-29 11:38:46 AM

dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.


Doesn't seem to be a death threat any more than the one kid's drawings were a bomb threat. Just some stupid thing he did without thinking.
 
2012-12-29 11:52:15 AM

ArkAngel: dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.

Doesn't seem to be a death threat any more than the one kid's drawings were a bomb threat. Just some stupid thing he did without thinking.


Ok, maybe death threat is too strong (although you could argue that the noose qualifies). At the very least, the kid needs some serious counseling to learn that this behavior is not acceptable, ever.
 
2012-12-29 12:02:33 PM
blacks are more racist than whites
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-29 12:03:14 PM
The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.
 
2012-12-29 12:03:44 PM
Just curious subby, what criminal statute applies here?
 
2012-12-29 12:04:09 PM
Its interesting how vindictive can be those who preach tolerance.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:11 PM

clane: blacks are more racist than whites


Troll harder.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:26 PM

dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.


I hear that those racially motivated death threats are like 10 times more scary that the average death threat.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:35 PM

clane: blacks are more racist than whites
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0.5/10
The 1/2 is for Che Guevara
 
2012-12-29 12:04:46 PM
Absolutely nothing happened to the black kids who set a white kid on fire in Kansas City. Why is it only surprising when the kid is white? I'm not trying to be racist. I'm just trying to be fair. I hate all races equally and children especially.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:58 PM
Nah, one-week suspension is fine. If he's a 'first offender', suspend him for a week, throw him out of any school clubs, and so on.


But remember, he's a kid. A stupid one. Expel him and you've basically given him a black mark for life. At the age of 13-14. You shouldn't be getting permanent consequences at that age unless if what you did caused permanent consequences to someone else.
 
2012-12-29 12:05:16 PM

dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.

Doesn't seem to be a death threat any more than the one kid's drawings were a bomb threat. Just some stupid thing he did without thinking.

Ok, maybe death threat is too strong (although you could argue that the noose qualifies). At the very least, the kid needs some serious counseling to learn that this behavior is not acceptable, ever.


If plastic guns and pocketknives are "weapons" now, I don't see how a noose doesn't fit in that same category. It doesn't really have a wide variety of uses.
 
2012-12-29 12:05:47 PM
KKK isn't the problem. the problem was slavery
 
2012-12-29 12:06:00 PM
Omg racism! Kill him die die die!
 
2012-12-29 12:06:09 PM

LanceDearnis: you've basically given him a black mark for life


[that'sracist.jpg]
 
2012-12-29 12:06:46 PM
It is. He's fourteen and in high school and doesn't know shiat about farkall and thought this would be a funny way to get a rise out of people because GRAWBROOGYDOOGY I'M WACKY TEENAGER. Hoof him in the ass and tell him to grow up. If we ran to the courts to unfark every teenager who did dumb things there'd be nobody left to run the country.
 
2012-12-29 12:07:25 PM

pravetz8c: Its interesting how vindictive can be those who preach tolerance.


I am curious why cutting the kid off from education and socialization will make him less racist and a productive member of society. I recommend he go in for renedufication.
 
2012-12-29 12:07:59 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Absolutely nothing happened to the black kids who set a white kid on fire in Kansas City. Why is it only surprising when the kid is white? I'm not trying to be racist. I'm just trying to be fair. I hate all races equally and children especially.


Because black kids cant be racist. That's just 'aw shucks give em a chance'.
 
2012-12-29 12:08:35 PM
Criminal? I don't know but we really don't need people like this in society.
 
2012-12-29 12:08:45 PM
But, did they catch him writin' ridin' dirty?

shetlandpeople.com

biatches better get it right!

What's my mutha-farkin' name!
 
2012-12-29 12:08:47 PM

Flakeloaf: It is. He's fourteen and in high school and doesn't know shiat about farkall and thought this would be a funny way to get a rise out of people because GRAWBROOGYDOOGY I'M WACKY TEENAGER. Hoof him in the ass and tell him to grow up. If we ran to the courts to unfark every teenager who did dumb things there'd be nobody left to run the country.


*cue Red's rehabilitation speech from Shawshank Redemption
 
2012-12-29 12:09:56 PM

clane: blacks are more racist than whites


I like how Colin Powell has transformed from "one of be good ones" into "Grand Dragon reverse racist" after endorsing Obama.
 
2012-12-29 12:10:00 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: KKK isn't the problem. the problem was slavery


They're still a problem.
 
2012-12-29 12:10:26 PM

pravetz8c: Its interesting how vindictive can be those who preach tolerance.


Your intolerance will NOT be tolerated!!!!!!


roblorinov.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-29 12:11:37 PM
Overt racist threat? Suspension. Take an aspirin? That's an expellin'.
 
2012-12-29 12:11:58 PM
Why not a burning "t" on his desk for time to leave?
 
2012-12-29 12:12:07 PM
He was moronic. Every one of you made a moronic mistake at his age. To those calling for death for a child's mistake? How is that not a terrorist threat? Or a moronic mistake. Perhaps it's worth reporting you for attempting to incite violence.
 
2012-12-29 12:13:55 PM
The KKK and associated noose are symbols of the Democrat Party

Never forget that. Anti-slavey activists formed the Republican Party, fought to end slavery - an institution the Democrat Party fought to preserve - and the KKK was formed by Democrats intent upon preventing Washington from having any influence in the now military occupied South. The KKK killed government officials, blacks associated with the newly forming governments, terrorized, murdered and burned down the buildings associated with Republicans.

The kid is just acting out a century and a half long tradition of Democrat political theology.
 
2012-12-29 12:14:57 PM

emersonbiggins: clane: blacks are more racist than whites

Troll harder.


Tool
 
2012-12-29 12:16:36 PM

pravetz8c: Its interesting how vindictive can be those who preach tolerance.


Ya, I mean why did we have to go fight WW2. We were just so intolerant of those Nazis we should be ashamed for how we acted.

/sarcasm
 
2012-12-29 12:16:37 PM
Reminds me of #2 here Link
 
2012-12-29 12:17:44 PM
Damn Packer Fans.
 
2012-12-29 12:19:02 PM
Also:

"She has been experiencing racial comments since joining our family her eighth-grade year," Hitzeman wrote in an e-mail sent to an advocate for disadvantaged youth and shared with the Star Tribune. "Her freshman year started out with students calling her 'Big Mocha' and making fun of her hair and breasts."

That breaks my heart. It sucks to be that age in the first place, not to mention being tossed around the foster care system, trying to feel safe in a new family, going to a school where only 2 other people look anything like you at a time when "fitting in" trumps all other social priorities...

And then this stupid little farkwit comes along and pulls this stunt. Whatever the punishment, it should include community service-- preferably in a minority community. Let this kid learn a thing or two from his mistake.
 
2012-12-29 12:19:14 PM
Cocksuckers in power love a bully.

The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
The problem is bullies.
 
2012-12-29 12:19:25 PM

Clemkadidlefark: The KKK and associated noose are symbols of the Democrat Party

Never forget that. Anti-slavey activists formed the Republican Party, fought to end slavery - an institution the Democrat Party fought to preserve - and the KKK was formed by Democrats intent upon preventing Washington from having any influence in the now military occupied South. The KKK killed government officials, blacks associated with the newly forming governments, terrorized, murdered and burned down the buildings associated with Republicans.

The kid is just acting out a century and a half long tradition of Democrat political theology.


All true, but times and ideologies change. The Democratic Party issues of then are now the Republican skeletons in the closet of today. Neither party wants these clowns.... Right?
 
2012-12-29 12:19:44 PM
Discrimination creates discrimination.

Lets bus different colored kids to another school for equality.
Lets set up funds for minorities for equal access to education.
Lets make a school with only females or only males.
Lets allow immigrants to ignore our laws and make special allowances for their culture.
Lets make special monetary discounts for old people.
Lets treat under 18's as having no constitutional rights or freedoms.
Lets fondle and grope people and say its for their safety from brown people.

/Is white people a minority yet?
//2015.
 
2012-12-29 12:20:50 PM

Fano: pravetz8c: Its interesting how vindictive can be those who preach tolerance.

I am curious why cutting the kid off from education and socialization will make him less racist and a productive member of society. I recommend he go in for renedufication.


That still sounds pretty cruel to me....

mlkshk.com

/hot
 
2012-12-29 12:21:19 PM
Perhaps it could have been a bid for attention? I wonder if he thinks it worked?
 
2012-12-29 12:21:53 PM

Clemkadidlefark: The KKK and associated noose are symbols of the Democrat Party

Never forget that. Anti-slavey activists formed the Republican Party, fought to end slavery - an institution the Democrat Party fought to preserve - and the KKK was formed by Democrats intent upon preventing Washington from having any influence in the now military occupied South. The KKK killed government officials, blacks associated with the newly forming governments, terrorized, murdered and burned down the buildings associated with Republicans.

The kid is just acting out a century and a half long tradition of Democrat political theology.


I see. Which president signed the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights Acts again?

And members of which party have in the last few years been advocating for their repeal?
 
2012-12-29 12:23:40 PM

ChuDogg: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Absolutely nothing happened to the black kids who set a white kid on fire in Kansas City. Why is it only surprising when the kid is white? I'm not trying to be racist. I'm just trying to be fair. I hate all races equally and children especially.

Because black kids cant be racist. That's just 'aw shucks give em a chance'.


It's bothers me that no one mentions all the revenge beating in the name of trayvon and just skips to the whites kids deserved it. Black people have done worn out the race cards. Everyone knows it but them.
 
2012-12-29 12:23:52 PM
I wonder what the KKK symbol was. Article doesn't say.
 
2012-12-29 12:24:37 PM
FTFA:

"'Baldwin-Woodville is a good place, and we're proud of that fact,' [School Board Member Deb Rasmussen] said. "

Um.... no.  Also FTFA:

"Hitzeman said that other students, after hearing of the boy's suspension, have criticized her foster daughter, saying she overreacted to a joke."

A joke. Hardy har har.  Oh, yeah, and...

" 'She has been experiencing racial comments since joining our family her eighth-grade year,' Hitzeman wrote in an e-mail sent to an advocate for disadvantaged youth and shared with the Star Tribune.  "

These "kids" at this school need more than sensitivity training and toothless suspensions.  They need a harrowing Twilight Zone style mind-f*ck.
 
2012-12-29 12:25:00 PM

clane: blacks are more racist than whites


0/10

Next time try just a modicum of subtlety.
 
2012-12-29 12:27:29 PM

sheep snorter: Discrimination creates discrimination.

Lets bus different colored kids to another school for equality.
Lets set up funds for minorities for equal access to education.
Lets make a school with only females or only males.
Lets allow immigrants to ignore our laws and make special allowances for their culture.
Lets make special monetary discounts for old people.
Lets treat under 18's as having no constitutional rights or freedoms.
Lets fondle and grope people and say its for their safety from brown people.

/Is white people a minority yet?
//2015.


Which of these things caused a teen boy to leave symbols of racially-motivated lynching and white nationalism on a teen girl's desk?

You sound like a barely-functioning AI script firing off "instances of inequality" as if they were a relevant argument. I think you may have failed the Turing Test.
 
2012-12-29 12:28:19 PM
I suspect that town is a whiter than my freshly bleached tube socks. The kid had probably never seen anyone who wasn't northern European before in his entire life. At least face to face. The name of the adoptive mother screams white lady busybody and while I applaud her adopting a 14 year old, her new daughter is going to stand out like a goldfish in a bowl full of minnows. The fact that she made a federal case out of it also screams attention whore.

It's just an all around bad deal.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:19 PM

sgnilward: I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.


1) I dont think that you know what the word ignorance means
2) I have never been around nazi prison camp survivors, but I know not to make jokes about how the nazi's were trying to save the planet. Never been around??? what kind of dumbass excuse is that??

seriously, I grew up in the most racist neighborhood in chicago during the farking 68 riots. I didnt have to learn how to talk to blacks or mexicans, I just talked like my parents did to everyone. as equals.
I didnt throw nooses on white kids desks, nor on black kids desks.

Proper punishment for a kid like this is to bus him to an inner city black school for the rest of his public education. He will learn quite a bit.
 
2012-12-29 12:29:38 PM
Obviously a noose would lead to suspension for *someone*...
 
2012-12-29 12:29:50 PM

bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.


Why are we assuming the parents are the source of the problem? Is it possible that the lad's racism came about from having to deal with bullies, or negatively imparted expiriences from said races?

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:25 PM
What would the school have to do with criminal charges subby?
 
2012-12-29 12:30:39 PM

Alphakronik: Jon iz teh kewl: KKK isn't the problem. the problem was slavery

They're still a problem.


They're more of a pathetic ambarrassing joke than a problem.
And this kid is more of a dumbass in need of a medium beat-down than a criminal.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:52 PM
ya, expel him for some speech. Good that.
 
2012-12-29 12:30:59 PM
As tasteless as his action is, it is protected under free speech. It's no different than the KKK or Neo-Nazis holding a rally. The child simply expressed his view.

Jason
 
2012-12-29 12:31:09 PM

sgnilward: Having lived in that town, and having gone to high school fifteen miles from there twenty years ago where a very similar incident happened, involving a noose tossed at some black kids who were visiting some friends at our school, I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.

Flashback twenty years ago and the punishment meted out was the same. One week suspension. I thought it was light then, but looking back, the fact is, it was a dumbass kid who committed the offense. He's still a dumbass 20 years hence, but has not committed any hate crimes beyond being a dumbass in high school.


I have trouble seeing this as a "harmless prank." The noose was a death threat, and could have been subjectively intended only to convey a death threat.
 
2012-12-29 12:31:29 PM
Great, more stories about racist Yankees. I don't know why the north is so intolerant of the blacks.
 
2012-12-29 12:33:48 PM

LanceDearnis: Nah, one-week suspension is fine. If he's a 'first offender', suspend him for a week, throw him out of any school clubs, and so on.


But lord have mercy on him if he draws a gun in a notebook...
 
2012-12-29 12:33:53 PM
I'm as upset as you are, but surely expulsion is not the answer. Kids get knowledge before they get wisdom. Shame them with some suspension. If they're expelled permanently, they'll most likely keep their views.
 
2012-12-29 12:35:16 PM

MrMaxwell: He was moronic. Every one of you made a moronic mistake at his age. To those calling for death for a child's mistake? How is that not a terrorist threat? Or a moronic mistake. Perhaps it's worth reporting you for attempting to incite violence.


It's a genetic/environmental problem. Dumbass doesnt excuse racist. This little POS will be racist for the rest of his life. I dont care that he was "dumb." why does his ignorance trump the poor black kids terror?
You dont think that that kid isnt spending a lot of time thinking about how this might escalate to beatings or worse? so yah, stomping on the hate when it springs up is probably the only way to keep the other little maggots in line.

"hmmmmmmmm we can taunt this kid some more, and all we get is a vacation from school"
or
"hmmmmmmmm maybe I dont want to get expelled so I shouldnt act like an asshole at school"
 
2012-12-29 12:35:46 PM

gunga galunga: clane: blacks are more racist than whites

0/10

Next time try just a modicum of subtlety.


When I lived in DC that's the situation I experienced, the black people I knew and worked with were far more racist than the white people.


Noone exceeded the racism of the asians though. Actually had people asking what the fark I was doing at a Korean BBQ place at 3 in the morning. (Honey Pig in Annandale)
 
2012-12-29 12:36:13 PM

clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.

Why are we assuming the parents are the source of the problem? Is it possible that the lad's racism came about from having to deal with bullies, or negatively imparted expiriences from said races?

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.


Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.
 
2012-12-29 12:36:45 PM

mittromneysdog: sgnilward: Having lived in that town, and having gone to high school fifteen miles from there twenty years ago where a very similar incident happened, involving a noose tossed at some black kids who were visiting some friends at our school, I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.

Flashback twenty years ago and the punishment meted out was the same. One week suspension. I thought it was light then, but looking back, the fact is, it was a dumbass kid who committed the offense. He's still a dumbass 20 years hence, but has not committed any hate crimes beyond being a dumbass in high school.

I have trouble seeing this as a "harmless prank." The noose was a death threat, and could have been subjectively intended only to convey a death threat.


A miniature macrame noose is a "death threat" for whom? The girl's hamster?
 
2012-12-29 12:37:06 PM

Dear Jerk: I'm as upset as you are, but surely expulsion is not the answer. Kids get knowledge before they get wisdom. Shame them with some suspension. If they're expelled permanently, they'll most likely keep their views.


Most likely staying in high school with blacks will only confirm his stereotypes.

The most tolerant people are in white suburbs far away from "urban" culture.
 
2012-12-29 12:37:43 PM
Am I suppose to be outraged or something?
 
2012-12-29 12:39:59 PM

Polyhazard: sheep snorter: Discrimination creates discrimination.

Lets bus different colored kids to another school for equality.
Lets set up funds for minorities for equal access to education.
Lets make a school with only females or only males.
Lets allow immigrants to ignore our laws and make special allowances for their culture.
Lets make special monetary discounts for old people.
Lets treat under 18's as having no constitutional rights or freedoms.
Lets fondle and grope people and say its for their safety from brown people.

/Is white people a minority yet?
//2015.

Which of these things caused a teen boy to leave symbols of racially-motivated lynching and white nationalism on a teen girl's desk?

You sound like a barely-functioning AI script firing off "instances of inequality" as if they were a relevant argument. I think you may have failed the Turing Test.


More like the Voight-Kampf. "You're not helping. Why are you not helping?"
 
2012-12-29 12:40:59 PM

sgnilward: I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.


Central WI... yeah.

Polyhazard: And then this stupid little farkwit comes along and pulls this stunt. Whatever the punishment, it should include community service-- preferably in a minority community. Let this kid learn a thing or two from his mistake.


GL w/ that, nearest one is 3 hours away.

Outside of Milwaukee (city proper, not county), where whites are actually a minority, Wisconsin is soooooooo white. There are tons of communities where a kid could make it to 18 without ever seeing a black person besides on TV. Not to excuse what this little shiat did, and there are some pockets of actual white supremacists and things in southern Wisconsin, and this asshole who built a Hitler memorial... but yeah. Idk what my point is.
 
2012-12-29 12:41:30 PM
Oh, so being suspended means that now he's immune to criminal charges? What if, instead of making a stupid racist threat, he'd actually done something, but hadn't indicated any racial/religious/sexual motivation? Like what if he had pushed a nerd down the stairs or beat up the kid who stutters (assuming of course those victims were white heterosexual Christian males), would people be as outraged or would that just be bullying--and while still reprehensible--not a thoughtcrime?
 
2012-12-29 12:41:54 PM

WayToBlue: Just curious subby, what criminal statute applies here?


Hate crimes. Threat of bodily injury.

Unless the kid has a history of this behavior, I would recommend a counciler meet with him and the parents to see if there was some underlying cause for the behavior, and attend sensitivity (cultural awareness) training. Harsh punishment would likely justify his behavior (at least in the mind of the kid) and may only serve to fuel future racist attitudes. A repeat of said behavior should be treated as criminal behavior and treated accordingly.
 
2012-12-29 12:42:08 PM

Coco LaFemme: " and arrest him for making terroristic threats


Because some redneck kid parading around racially inflammatory items = 911.

You ever think of working for the government? You might have a fact paced career at the TSA waiting for you.
 
2012-12-29 12:42:21 PM
We had the same sort of deal in our high school. A couple kids came dressed as KKK for halloween. The black kids complained. The principal lectured everyone over the loudspeaker. Most of us thought 'oh, that would suck from the black kids' point of view.' Lesson learned.
 
2012-12-29 12:45:22 PM
Is this the thread where we pretend that a noose is a completely neutral symbol with absolutely no meaning, and that hundreds of years of American history of lynchings ignored (or abetted) by state police and governments never happened? Good, that sounds refreshing.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:34 PM
One day in-school detention isn't nearly enough.

Expulsion and/or getting the law involved is too much.

Middle ground people...there's acres and acres of it.
 
2012-12-29 12:48:55 PM
Not that I am defending the kid at all but subby just because someone offends you it doesn't allow for charges.
 
2012-12-29 12:49:02 PM
Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.
 
2012-12-29 12:50:06 PM

namatad: Carotid: Being raised like that is punishment enough.

/not really
//just partly enough.

Kill him, kill the parents, foster care the rest of the siblings.
Do this enough times and at least the bigots will go back to HIDING their bullshiat.

/on the plus side, I like that the bigots have come out of the woodwork. Makes it much easier to shun them and vote against them.


And next we can finally get those goddam jews, amirite?
 
2012-12-29 12:55:25 PM
I would find either one acceptable. Depends on his age and his history.

But as others have said, I wouldn't mind seeing the parents tarred and feathered.
 
2012-12-29 12:55:36 PM

wambu: Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.



You must watch a lot of TV. TV scripts do not mirror real life.
 
2012-12-29 12:58:46 PM

Clemkadidlefark: The KKK and associated noose are symbols of the Democrat Party conservative ideology.


FTFY

Sticking with old, traditional ways of doing things despite the fact that they're hateful and abhorrent is a conservative act, no matter which party is doing it. Trying--however haltingly--to improve the lives of the poor or the oppressed is a progressive act, no matter which party is doing it.
 
2012-12-29 12:59:34 PM

cosmiquemuffin: FTFA:

"'Baldwin-Woodville is a good place, and we're proud of that fact,' [School Board Member Deb Rasmussen] said. "

Um.... no.  Also FTFA:

"Hitzeman said that other students, after hearing of the boy's suspension, have criticized her foster daughter, saying she overreacted to a joke."

A joke. Hardy har har.  Oh, yeah, and...

" 'She has been experiencing racial comments since joining our family her eighth-grade year,' Hitzeman wrote in an e-mail sent to an advocate for disadvantaged youth and shared with the Star Tribune.  "

These "kids" at this school need more than sensitivity training and toothless suspensions.  They need a harrowing Twilight Zone style mind-f*ck.


Has anyone brought up the possibility that this girl was an obnoxious, pain in the ass who just happened to be black? I don't know her personally, but I have met kids who were perpetually "bullied" for the fact that they couldn't say anything without getting on someone's nerves.

When kids bully- they go for the low hanging fruit. Calling this girl a slut when she doesn't date or a fattie if she were thin doesn't have the desired effect one would want. Doen't say whether she was tagged with the big "N" word very often so maybe they were smart enough to know you never call a black person the "N" word. Not very bright using racially charged symbology but appeared to get the desired effect- basically getting under the victims skin.
 
2012-12-29 12:59:47 PM
Just dump him in "The Ghetto" with a "Die hard with a vengeance" sign on him. See if he thinks it's funny then.

/not posting that pic.
 
2012-12-29 01:01:29 PM

Dear Jerk: I'm as upset as you are, but surely expulsion is not the answer.


That boy needs therapy (Pops).

/Purely psychosomatic
 
2012-12-29 01:01:34 PM

namatad: sgnilward: I can say that what the boy did was out of pure ignorance.

I would bet that the kid, his family and most of the other students there had NEVER gone to school with a black kid before, and probably 90% of the same had never been around black people ever in any setting.

1) I dont think that you know what the word ignorance means
2) I have never been around nazi prison camp survivors, but I know not to make jokes about how the nazi's were trying to save the planet. Never been around??? what kind of dumbass excuse is that??

seriously, I grew up in the most racist neighborhood in chicago during the farking 68 riots. I didnt have to learn how to talk to blacks or mexicans, I just talked like my parents did to everyone. as equals.
I didnt throw nooses on white kids desks, nor on black kids desks.

Proper punishment for a kid like this is to bus him to an inner city black school for the rest of his public education. He will learn quite a bit.


Your first point doesn't make any sense. "Ignorant" means "unaware". You may disagree with the original statement, but the word was used correctly.
 
2012-12-29 01:03:52 PM

VictoryCabal: Is this the thread where we pretend that a noose is a completely neutral symbol with absolutely no meaning, and that hundreds of years of American history of lynchings ignored (or abetted) by state police and governments never happened? Good, that sounds refreshing.


Well, I'm kind of a pussy and a loser in real life, so threads like this also let me vent racist comments. Makes me feel like a big man.
 
2012-12-29 01:06:16 PM

cosmiquemuffin: These "kids" at this school need more than sensitivity training and toothless suspensions. They need a harrowing Twilight Zone style mind-f*ck.


Agreed.
 
2012-12-29 01:09:42 PM

Dahnkster: But, did they catch him writin' ridin' dirty?

[shetlandpeople.com image 750x600]

biatches better get it right!

What's my mutha-farkin' name!


Those are Nazarenos from Spain, not klansmen.
 
2012-12-29 01:14:28 PM
Stupid kids do stupid kid things. What he did is probably the second most ignorant thing behind burning a cross on her lawn. However he is a kid and some tolerance should be demonstrated which means that it ain't right to look for blood until blood is drawn. Putting him in PMINTA prison is just a good way make every one feel better while losing this kid forever. If you can learn racism then it can sure as fark be unlearned.

Personally I see no difference between what this kid did and those who fly that traitorous rag of a flag. Each stand for a very dark time, a time that this region (and sympathizers) would be better off getting over.
 
2012-12-29 01:17:17 PM

Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.

Why are we assuming the parents are the source of the problem? Is it possible that the lad's racism came about from having to deal with bullies, or negatively imparted expiriences from said races?

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.

Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.


You surmised that they're stupid by his comment?

You must be Wile E Coyote. Super genius!

Either that or you're ignorant. I am going with ignorant.
 
2012-12-29 01:17:50 PM

Vectron: wambu: Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.


You must watch a lot of TV. TV scripts do not mirror real life.


Not much TV, just lived in a small town for years.

/all in who you know
 
2012-12-29 01:18:15 PM
Funny thing about this...

I had a hunch that maybe this town (Baldwin) had been a "sundown town" at some point, so I searched the sundown town database. While Baldwin wasn't mentioned, it didn't surprise me that much to see that it was completely surrounded by probable sundown towns.

New Richmond (just north-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

River Falls (just south-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Menomonie (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Hudson (just west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Barron (just north-east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Eau Claire (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data and documented racial exclusion/mistreatment of Black baseball players on a local team


So very interesting to me.

BTW...if you haven't read this book yet, pick it up ASAP. A real eye-opener.

images.betterworldbooks.com
 
2012-12-29 01:19:24 PM

wambu: Vectron: wambu: Are the parents influential in the community? Did not RTFA, but that is usually a good assumption.


You must watch a lot of TV. TV scripts do not mirror real life.

Not much TV, just lived in a small town for years.

/all in who you know


Sorry. I was wrong.
 
2012-12-29 01:20:46 PM
I really agree with Chris Rock on this; there are degrees of people. You've got normal people and you've got idiots. That crosses all races, ages, upbringings ect.

/ trying to reason with idiots is like trying to reason with a particularly stubborn child
 
2012-12-29 01:23:55 PM
Ignorant racists still abound in flyover states? Colour me shocked.
 
2012-12-29 01:24:09 PM
 
2012-12-29 01:25:43 PM
well that is just life in the deep south for you...

wait... people from other areas of the country can be inbred racists too?
 
2012-12-29 01:26:24 PM

ParaHandy: Ignorant racists still abound in flyover states? Colour me shocked.


Because there are no racists in NY or CA
 
2012-12-29 01:30:41 PM

Infobahn: Damn Packer Fans.


Right across from the twin cities, so it's just as likely Vikings fans.
 
2012-12-29 01:33:25 PM
ArkAngel:

Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

And criminal charges? He might benefit from good public spanking but criminal charges are ridiculous. "A little macrame noose...and some kind of KKK symbol" don't constitute a credible threat: it was clearly a joke -- not funny and bad taste but a joke nevertheless. Over-reactions to things like this only make the "victims" look pathetic and vindictive.

I'm torn here between deploring racism and sticking up for "thought crime": however bad the joke or offensive the speech we must retain the right to say things other people might not want to hear.

I'm also wondering why not having to go to school counts as punishment. Do "potential sex partners" line up in front of this kid's locker waiting to be chosen as the evening's dessert? Does he get a nice crisp Benjamin for every day he shows up? What is he being deprived of?

This case is stupid and everyone involved should feel bad.
 
2012-12-29 01:35:22 PM
"They were in an art class, and a little macrame noose was made, and some kind of KKK symbol," Russell said Friday. "These two small objects were placed before this individual. The young man said it was done as a joke."

Conservative humour strikes again.
 
2012-12-29 01:37:25 PM

VictoryCabal: Is this the thread where we pretend that a noose is a completely neutral symbol with absolutely no meaning, and that hundreds of years of American history of lynchings ignored (or abetted) by state police and governments never happened? Good, that sounds refreshing.


i47.tinypic.com

There, are you happy now?
 
2012-12-29 01:38:41 PM

Clemkadidlefark: The KKK and associated noose are symbols of the Democrat Party

Never forget that. Anti-slavey activists formed the Republican Party, fought to end slavery - an institution the Democrat Party fought to preserve - and the KKK was formed by Democrats intent upon preventing Washington from having any influence in the now military occupied South. The KKK killed government officials, blacks associated with the newly forming governments, terrorized, murdered and burned down the buildings associated with Republicans.

The kid is just acting out a century and a half long tradition of Democrat political theology.


Aww, I've missed the Fark trolls while I was on vacation. Good to be back; thanks for the laugh!
 
2012-12-29 01:39:19 PM

Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

Also, your parents are goddamn idiots.

Why are we assuming the parents are the source of the problem? Is it possible that the lad's racism came about from having to deal with bullies, or negatively imparted expiriences from said races?

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.

Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.


OK- I'll feed the troll. How does my wife being bullied while shopping in a Walmart, or trying to do her job make her, or myself, stupid?

Should I have just let the two girls escalate the abuse and then chastise my wife for wanting to shop at Walmart. Maybe you would prefer that I had viewed my wife's being bullied as being a positive cultural expirience?

Sorry- my wife has had one too many expiriences not to hold a less than positive attitude as of late. You rerpresent bad, you get viewed that way. Maybe with time, she'll have a more meaningful, positive cultural expirience that will wipe away the fear and bewilderment of being bullied by strangers, but it doesn't appear to be happening any time soon.

Here's some farking flowers in appreciation for keying my car the other day when I requested that you do your job!
 
2012-12-29 01:41:13 PM

SubBass49: Funny thing about this...

I had a hunch that maybe this town (Baldwin) had been a "sundown town" at some point, so I searched the sundown town database. While Baldwin wasn't mentioned, it didn't surprise me that much to see that it was completely surrounded by probable sundown towns.

New Richmond (just north-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

River Falls (just south-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Menomonie (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Hudson (just west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Barron (just north-east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Eau Claire (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data and documented racial exclusion/mistreatment of Black baseball players on a local team

So very interesting to me.

BTW...if you haven't read this book yet, pick it up ASAP. A real eye-opener.

[images.betterworldbooks.com image 265x400]


Shiat...forgot to add this: SEARCH FOR SUNDOWN TOWNS IN THE US (MAP)

You'd be surprised to see just how common they are/were...even in non-Southern states.
 
2012-12-29 01:50:34 PM
Meh, even babies are "racist." They will frown at a face of another race and smile at a face of their own race. I don't understand why people are so shocked by this behavior.
 
2012-12-29 02:02:43 PM

Silly Jesus: Meh, even babies are "racist." They will frown at a face of another race and smile at a face of their own race. I don't understand why people are so shocked by this behavior.


You should try acting like an adult, racist.
 
2012-12-29 02:03:53 PM
No the punishment does not fit the crime, the student should have been expelled and faced criminal charges. suspension would be sufficient if the kid was 6th grade or younger and had a lesser understanding of what the items meant.
 
2012-12-29 02:03:59 PM
It's really hilarious how the Libtards think that suppressing the "N-Word", and coming down like a ton of bricks on any slights made by Whitey, while bending over backwards to ignore/minimize minority misbehavior/racism is going to lead to racial harmony. It's more likely to lead to all out race war. The cynicism and resentment is growing every day, across ALL economic classes the longer this PC idiocy continues. Minorities are poorly served by the special treatment. Even their actual accomplishments are treated with less respect, because it's just assumed they're Affirmative Action Babies. Like The Obamessiah. The Ultimate Affirmative Action hire.
 
2012-12-29 02:05:08 PM

mark12A: It's really hilarious how the Libtards think that suppressing the "N-Word", and coming down like a ton of bricks on any slights made by Whitey, while bending over backwards to ignore/minimize minority misbehavior/racism is going to lead to racial harmony. It's more likely to lead to all out race war. The cynicism and resentment is growing every day, across ALL economic classes the longer this PC idiocy continues. Minorities are poorly served by the special treatment. Even their actual accomplishments are treated with less respect, because it's just assumed they're Affirmative Action Babies. Like The Obamessiah. The Ultimate Affirmative Action hire.


Only by racists like you.
 
2012-12-29 02:08:03 PM

Silly Jesus: Meh, even babies are "racist." They will frown at a face of another race and smile at a face of their own race. I don't understand why people are so shocked by this behavior.


I don't understand why people are so shocked when I poop myself and spit up on their shirts, either.
 
2012-12-29 02:09:55 PM
clowncar on fire:

Has anyone brought up the possibility that this girl was an obnoxious, pain in the ass who just happened to be black?

No.  You get to be the only one saying the girl brought a lynching, KKK death-threaty "joke" on herself by being "annoying".  A winner is you, and by winner, I mean jackass.
 
2012-12-29 02:10:42 PM
Here are my thoughts, take them for what they are worth which may be nothing.
1) He is a teen. While this is terribly offensive and I find it morally offensive, teens do really stupid offensive things. If I was permanently held responsible for all the stupid shiat I did when a I was a teenager I would be a drain on society and honestly considered a terrorist (who didn't play with black powder a little) instead of being a productive law abiding tax paying member of it. There is a reason you are not an adult in the eyes of he law until you are 18. It seems like society forgets all the stupid shiat they did a kids and wants to condemn the next generation. We were not angels.
2) It seems that with each passing generation the meaning and affects of racism dwindles. The kids of today do not recall the atrocity's and injustices of generations ago. Memories fade, injustices are forgotten. The deep emotional impact that the older generations may feel towards these actions are felt a fraction as much by the current generation if at all. There are many other Think of your aging grandmother and they way they horde money and or food for the next "Great depression". I hear the stories but I don't fully realize the impact.
3) Everyones a little bit raciest.
 
2012-12-29 02:11:11 PM

mark12A: It's really hilarious how the Libtards think that suppressing the "N-Word", and coming down like a ton of bricks on any slights made by Whitey, while bending over backwards to ignore/minimize minority misbehavior/racism is going to lead to racial harmony. It's more likely to lead to all out race war. The cynicism and resentment is growing every day, across ALL economic classes the longer this PC idiocy continues. Minorities are poorly served by the special treatment. Even their actual accomplishments are treated with less respect, because it's just assumed they're Affirmative Action Babies. Like The Obamessiah. The Ultimate Affirmative Action hire.


0/10

The derp and trolling in this thread are achieving biblical proportions.
 
2012-12-29 02:15:11 PM

clowncar on fire: Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.

Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.

OK- I'll feed the troll. How does my wife being bullied while shopping in a Walmart, or trying to do her job make her, or myself, stupid?


Your wife sounds stupid because she has had a couple of negative experiences with specific black people (who she encountered for the very first time as a grown-ass woman, apparently,) and is now "leery" of "them" as a group. You sound stupid because you believe her leeriness is "needless to say" in this situation (to which those of us who do not categorically fear racial groups after a run-in with two people can attest.)

I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.
 
2012-12-29 02:15:28 PM

dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.

Doesn't seem to be a death threat any more than the one kid's drawings were a bomb threat. Just some stupid thing he did without thinking.

Ok, maybe death threat is too strong (although you could argue that the noose qualifies). At the very least, the kid needs some serious counseling to learn that this behavior is not acceptable, ever.


Most states require an explicit threat for an action to ride to a criminal level. For instance, him making an actual noose and saying "I'm going to hang you with this," would be criminal. Making a noose and showing it to somebody, no.

The school suspended the boy and contacted the police. If the police don't feel this rises to the criminal level, I fail to see what else the school should do.
 
2012-12-29 02:15:34 PM

someonelse: Silly Jesus: Meh, even babies are "racist." They will frown at a face of another race and smile at a face of their own race. I don't understand why people are so shocked by this behavior.

I don't understand why people are so shocked when I poop myself and spit up on their shirts, either.


Lol 8/10
 
2012-12-29 02:17:01 PM

Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.

Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.

OK- I'll feed the troll. How does my wife being bullied while shopping in a Walmart, or trying to do her job make her, or myself, stupid?

Your wife sounds stupid because she has had a couple of negative experiences with specific black people (who she encountered for the very first time as a grown-ass woman, apparently,) and is now "leery" of "them" as a group. You sound stupid because you believe her leeriness is "needless to say" in this situation (to which those of us who do not categorically fear racial groups after a run-in with two people can attest.)

I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to que ...


Hell, even Jesse Farking Jackson said he'd be relieved if he was walking down the street at night and turned to see someone following him and found out that it was a white guy.

Statistics, how do they work?
 
2012-12-29 02:20:36 PM

Clemkadidlefark: The KKK and associated noose are symbols of the Democrat Party

Never forget that. Anti-slavey activists formed the Republican Party, fought to end slavery - an institution the Democrat Party fought to preserve - and the KKK was formed by Democrats intent upon preventing Washington from having any influence in the now military occupied South. The KKK killed government officials, blacks associated with the newly forming governments, terrorized, murdered and burned down the buildings associated with Republicans.

The kid is just acting out a century and a half long tradition of Democrat political theology.


0/10

The term liberal also used top mean little government and free market, are you going to talk me that Bush and Reagan were liberals?
 
2012-12-29 02:23:38 PM
Yeah, let's ruin that kids life for doing something stupid as a 15 year old! That's the ticket!
 
2012-12-29 02:24:59 PM
Before I read the article I was expecting a real noose and a KKK hood. I could see expulsion for that.

But something he threw together in art class? Suspension is enough.
 
2012-12-29 02:25:05 PM
I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.

polyhazard, you fail as a human being. Evolution gave us basic memory and reasoning skills so we could learn from experiences in order to maximize our survival chances. If you pet the Cheetah and get bitten, it doesn't bode well for your survival that you don't learn to avoid Cheetahs afterwards...
 
2012-12-29 02:26:39 PM

mark12A: I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.

polyhazard, you fail as a human being. Evolution gave us basic memory and reasoning skills so we could learn from experiences in order to maximize our survival chances. If you pet the Cheetah and get bitten, it doesn't bode well for your survival that you don't learn to avoid Cheetahs afterwards...


But you might hurt the other Cheetah's feeeeeelings.
 
2012-12-29 02:30:20 PM

VictoryCabal: Is this the thread where we pretend that a noose is a completely neutral symbol with absolutely no meaning, and that hundreds of years of American history of lynchings ignored (or abetted) by state police and governments never happened? Good, that sounds refreshing.


I think it is the thread where we pretend that a "little macrame noose" and a KKK symbol are an actual death threat.
 
2012-12-29 02:33:38 PM

Silly Jesus: mark12A: I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.

polyhazard, you fail as a human being. Evolution gave us basic memory and reasoning skills so we could learn from experiences in order to maximize our survival chances. If you pet the Cheetah and get bitten, it doesn't bode well for your survival that you don't learn to avoid Cheetahs afterwards...

But you might hurt the other Cheetah's feeeeeelings.


And maybe just maybe the cheetah will change its spots in a generation or two. One can always hope.
 
2012-12-29 02:34:47 PM

Vectron: Silly Jesus: mark12A: I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.

polyhazard, you fail as a human being. Evolution gave us basic memory and reasoning skills so we could learn from experiences in order to maximize our survival chances. If you pet the Cheetah and get bitten, it doesn't bode well for your survival that you don't learn to avoid Cheetahs afterwards...

But you might hurt the other Cheetah's feeeeeelings.

And maybe just maybe the cheetah will change its spots in a generation or two. One can always hope.


Then it would be a Zebra.
 
2012-12-29 02:36:40 PM
...
 
2012-12-29 02:36:51 PM

mark12A: I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.

polyhazard, you fail as a human being. Evolution gave us basic memory and reasoning skills so we could learn from experiences in order to maximize our survival chances. If you pet the Cheetah and get bitten, it doesn't bode well for your survival that you don't learn to avoid Cheetahs afterwards...


*sigh*

revolution-computing.typepad.com
 
2012-12-29 02:37:10 PM

mark12A: I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.

polyhazard, you fail as a human being. Evolution gave us basic memory and reasoning skills so we could learn from experiences in order to maximize our survival chances. If you pet the Cheetah and get bitten, it doesn't bode well for your survival that you don't learn to avoid Cheetahs afterwards...


I would say you fail as a human being if you can't move beyond (or at least don't try to) basic memory and reasoning skills that would lead you to lump all people of the same race together.
 
2012-12-29 02:39:40 PM
LOL, this thread is the perfect example of how ass-backwards race discussion can be.

Let's see:

You have the overreacting internet tough guys who are using this excuse to post their psychotic revenge fetishes.
You have the partisan idiots trying to inject their own politics into this and tries to make this a conservative/liberal things.
You have the professional victims making vague generalizations about racism/reverse racism and how white people are always evil/victims.
And last of all, you have your chicken littles who dismiss every bit of discussion about race relations as "racist" thinking that burying their heads in the sand will absolve them of the original sin.

/What really matters of course is that I get to feel superior to all of the above.
 
2012-12-29 02:43:21 PM

SubBass49: Funny thing about this...

I had a hunch that maybe this town (Baldwin) had been a "sundown town" at some point, so I searched the sundown town database. While Baldwin wasn't mentioned, it didn't surprise me that much to see that it was completely surrounded by probable sundown towns.

New Richmond (just north-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

River Falls (just south-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Menomonie (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Hudson (just west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Barron (just north-east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Eau Claire (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data and documented racial exclusion/mistreatment of Black baseball players on a local team

So very interesting to me.

BTW...if you haven't read this book yet, pick it up ASAP. A real eye-opener.

[images.betterworldbooks.com image 265x400]


Loewen will bring tears to your eyes. It is amazing to read him to kids and watch them try to process.

/Martinsville sucked then and sucks now.
//SRSLY, fark those people
 
2012-12-29 02:46:09 PM

Cyno01: Outside of Milwaukee (city proper, not county), where whites are actually a minority, Wisconsin is soooooooo white. There are tons of communities where a kid could make it to 18 without ever seeing a black person besides on TV. Not to excuse what this little shiat did, and there are some pockets of actual white supremacists and things in southern Wisconsin, and this asshole who built a Hitler memorial... but yeah. Idk what my point is.


so he never saw a movie, show or book which had racism in it?
never was taught any history: slavery, civil rights movement/MLK, apartheid??

so yah, I dont care where you live in the US, but if you are THAT ignorant at that age ...

"was making a joke"
This is the excuse which is used by bullies. It is how they get away with being bullies.
TADA - Expel him. His parent can deal with the POS which they have raised.
 
2012-12-29 02:48:27 PM

dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.


Well black kids do that all the time and no action is taken, until EQUAL protection under the law happens stufu

If a word is bad for a white person to say then no one can say it.
 
2012-12-29 02:56:10 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.

Well black kids do that all the time and no action is taken, until EQUAL protection under the law happens stufu

If a word is bad for a white person to say then no one can say it.


Oh, hey, look guys! It's one of those rare persecuted White people! I've heard of them, just never met one in real life.
 
2012-12-29 02:58:52 PM

namatad: Cyno01: Outside of Milwaukee (city proper, not county), where whites are actually a minority, Wisconsin is soooooooo white. There are tons of communities where a kid could make it to 18 without ever seeing a black person besides on TV. Not to excuse what this little shiat did, and there are some pockets of actual white supremacists and things in southern Wisconsin, and this asshole who built a Hitler memorial... but yeah. Idk what my point is.

so he never saw a movie, show or book which had racism in it?
never was taught any history: slavery, civil rights movement/MLK, apartheid??

so yah, I dont care where you live in the US, but if you are THAT ignorant at that age ...

"was making a joke"
This is the excuse which is used by bullies. It is how they get away with being bullies.
TADA - Expel him. His parent can deal with the POS which they have raised.


You say that like the media doesn't try to fan fears about minorities all the time.

The kid made an ignorant mistake, punish him and educate him so he knows better. Preventing him from getting any more education will only make him more ignorant and bigoted.

Get that stick out of your ass and accept that vengeance and punishment is as helpful as having the biggest prison population in the world.
 
2012-12-29 03:00:21 PM

mark12A: I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to question the reasoning of anyone who extrapolates from that experience and lives their life in suspicion of people with a particular skin color.

polyhazard, you fail as a human being. Evolution gave us basic memory and reasoning skills so we could learn from experiences in order to maximize our survival chances. If you pet the Cheetah and get bitten, it doesn't bode well for your survival that you don't learn to avoid Cheetahs afterwards...


So now you know why some black people aren't fond of white racists. Like you.
 
2012-12-29 03:00:54 PM

Coco LaFemme: 100% chance this little defective got his ideas and notions from his parents. Racism and bigotry is learned behavior. First you expel his ass and arrest him for making terroristic threats. Then you beat the hell out of his parents, preferably with a mace.


Not quite 100%. Back in the eighties when the hippies' kids started becoming teenagers, they faced a dilemma: What can you do to offend and morally outrage parents who are totally cool with sex, drugs, rock and roll, interracial dating, etc? Answer: Become a skinhead and commit hate crimes.
 
2012-12-29 03:07:46 PM

namatad: Carotid: Being raised like that is punishment enough.

/not really
//just partly enough.

Kill him, kill the parents, foster care the rest of the siblings.
Do this enough times and at least the bigots will go back to HIDING their bullshiat.

/on the plus side, I like that the bigots have come out of the woodwork. Makes it much easier to shun them and vote against them.


Because nothing promotes the development of a civilized and forward-thinking society like slaughtering the family of a stupid kid that did a stupid, ignorant, but ultimately harmless thing. Right?
 
2012-12-29 03:10:35 PM

Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.

Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.

OK- I'll feed the troll. How does my wife being bullied while shopping in a Walmart, or trying to do her job make her, or myself, stupid?

Your wife sounds stupid because she has had a couple of negative experiences with specific black people (who she encountered for the very first time as a grown-ass woman, apparently,) and is now "leery" of "them" as a group. You sound stupid because you believe her leeriness is "needless to say" in this situation (to which those of us who do not categorically fear racial groups after a run-in with two people can attest.)

I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to que ...


So her experiences with black people have been poor and she's supposed to view anyone with that common trait differently? That's ridiculous, you can only form opinions on things you've experienced, I'm sure if she met nice black people she'd feel different, but that hasn't happened yet.
 
2012-12-29 03:20:01 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: dethmagnetic: ArkAngel: Sounds like he probably got a 7-10 day suspension, beyond which requires a hearing before the school board. Expulsion is a lot of work and is more trouble than it's worth for anything other than an offense for which it's required (binging a weapon to school).

Personally I'd consider racially motivated death threats to be sufficient grounds for expulsion. I guess that's just me, though.

Well black kids do that all the time and no action is taken, until EQUAL protection under the law happens stufu

If a word is bad for a white person to say then no one can say it.


Why? My sister and I jokingly call each other every derogatory female term you can think of. A little while ago I told her to shut her whore mouth about "the fondue incident." Human social interactions require marginally more judgment than possessed by the average cocker spaniel. Deal with it.
 
2012-12-29 03:21:56 PM

robhidalgo: namatad: Carotid: Being raised like that is punishment enough.

/not really
//just partly enough.

Kill him, kill the parents, foster care the rest of the siblings.
Do this enough times and at least the bigots will go back to HIDING their bullshiat.

/on the plus side, I like that the bigots have come out of the woodwork. Makes it much easier to shun them and vote against them.

Because nothing promotes the development of a civilized and forward-thinking society like slaughtering the family of a stupid kid that did a stupid, ignorant, but ultimately harmless thing. Right?


Honestly, people who think up elaborate plans for mass violence in their spare time is more of a threat to society than a teenager who is ignorant of history and sensitivity. One of them cracks dumb jokes, the other might snap one day and take out an office building.
 
2012-12-29 03:22:33 PM

Coco LaFemme: 100% chance this little defective got his ideas and notions from his parents.


Schools no longer teach about the KKK and lynchings?
 
2012-12-29 03:24:22 PM

Girion47: That's ridiculous, you can only form opinions on things you've experienced


Humans developed language and imagery and writing to be able to express things others have experienced. Keep up.
 
2012-12-29 03:25:22 PM

someonelse: "the fondue incident."


Go on....
 
2012-12-29 03:25:48 PM

Girion47: So her experiences with black people have been poor and she's supposed to view anyone with that common trait differently? That's ridiculous, you can only form opinions on things you've experienced,


Maybe you can't, but some of us a) Allow other information besides personal experience to enter our worldview, because our experiences are incredibly limited (and it sounds like even more limited than most in this case,) and b) don't attribute behavior to one particular observable characteristic and assume all others who share that characteristic must share that behavior.

I was bit by an ill-trained dog as a child, but I didn't stop petting cats or sitting in chairs because they also have 4 legs. That's the kind of leap you are making here. And it's not what thinking people do.

I'm sure if she met nice black people she'd feel different, but that hasn't happened yet.

And it probably won't, because she already has contempt and suspicion for them, and who the fark wants to waste their time being nice to people who irrationally dislike you?
 
2012-12-29 03:28:41 PM

Polyhazard: And it probably won't, because she already has contempt and suspicion for them, and who the fark wants to waste their time being nice to people who irrationally dislike you?


Nelson Mandela?
 
2012-12-29 03:33:24 PM

JerkStore: asp


That's neat and everything, but trying to prove... Whatever you're trying to prove by comparing two entirely separate school districts in two entirely separate states is a stretch.
 
2012-12-29 03:34:21 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!:

It's bothers me that no one mentions all the revenge beating in the name of trayvon and just skips to the whites kids deserved it. Black people have done worn out the race cards. Everyone knows it but them.



Did the black girl in this story play the race card, in your opinion?
 
2012-12-29 03:36:17 PM

Polyhazard: I was bit by an ill-trained dog as a child, but I didn't stop petting cats or sitting in chairs because they also have 4 legs.



That's a terrible analogy.

A better one would be being bitten by an ill-trained dog and fearing all dogs later on in your life.

And the same goes for the dude's wife. She was assaulted by people who are traditionally portrayed as violent and now that experience has reinforced that image. It doesn't make sense logically, but traumatic experiences usually lead you logical thinking. You can't blame her for being reminded of that incident when she sees black people any more than you can blame a rape or molestation victim who became fearful of men.

The best we can do is help her get over it and realize that black people aren't the problem, trashy people and Wal-Mart shoppers are.
 
2012-12-29 03:40:56 PM

Silly Jesus: Meh, even babies are "racist." They will frown at a face of another race and smile at a face of their own race. I don't understand why people are so shocked by this behavior.



What are your feelings about segregation, Silly Jesus? Based on this post (and others that I've read from you)...I get the sense that you view it as a logical approach to race relations.
 
2012-12-29 03:42:06 PM

super_grass: Honestly, people who think up elaborate plans for mass violence in their spare time is more of a threat to society than a teenager who is ignorant of history and sensitivity. One of them cracks dumb jokes, the other might snap one day and take out an office building.


Oh cmon, whos never been stuck behind a line of old people at the bank or grocery store or somewhere and concocted an elaborate scenario of disemboweling every last one of them and then blowing up the bank for allowing the elderly to be customers after 10am on weekdays.

/yes the bank does need your social security number, what are you worried about, they already have your money
//i just have cash to deposit in my checking acct, it takes all of 10 seconds
 
2012-12-29 03:44:48 PM

super_grass: The kid made an ignorant mistake, punish him and educate him so he knows better. Preventing him from getting any more education will only make him more ignorant and bigoted.


LOL
Clearly his parents have taught him to be a bigot and either he has failed to learn ANYTHING about racism, the schools have failed to teach him ANYTHING about racism or both.
But the idea that he is anything other than a bully "I was just making a joke", is bullshiat.
Bullies are so cute when they use that old chestnut.
Plus, his inability to be honest about what he did in the first place is even more proof of the problem.

"I am sorry that I got caught. It was an honest mistake. I was just making a joke"

Spare me.
 
2012-12-29 03:47:52 PM

super_grass: Polyhazard: I was bit by an ill-trained dog as a child, but I didn't stop petting cats or sitting in chairs because they also have 4 legs.

That's a terrible analogy.

A better one would be being bitten by an ill-trained dog and fearing all dogs later on in your life.


My analogy was to demonstrate that this woman is fixating on one characteristic (color) that has fark all to do with the behavior she has a problem with. Like the 4 legs have to do with the bite.

If you'd like me to narrow this, it would be like if I was bit by a dog with brown spots, and feared dogs with brown spots forever. Never mind all the brown-spotted dogs going about their daily business without biting me, of course, they must be just like the first one I met.

You admit it's irrational. And I would never say "needless to say," a rape victim will be afraid of all men, because it simply isn't the case, and it certainly isn't desirable.
 
2012-12-29 03:48:08 PM

Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: bulldg4life: The young man said it was done as a joke.

Hilarious.

My wife's how do you do to African Americans was two girls who- for no particular reason-- began verbally assaulting her in the women's clothing section of Walmart. Not sure whether it was because she was asian or dressed particularly nicely that day, but there was no reason for that behavior. They started getting a bit too close until I came up from behind them and barked, "Back off!" at the top of my lungs (works good on strays, bullies).

She also works with other ethnic groups at a long term care center and and has had problems when threatened by same said group after she had to locate the late night kitchen staff- outside smoking-- to request that they properly stock the nutritional drinks and prepare evening snacks for the patient. She claims she was call some pretty bad names and threatened if she told her supervisors about them not being in the facility during work hours or failing to provide the late nigt snacks. Had her car keyed shortly after.

Needless to say, due to some pretty negative expiriences, she's a little leary of them. To her credit, our kids have several friends of various ethnicities and all are welcome in our home.

Nothing personal, but both you and your wife seem like very stupid-- if well-meaning-- people.

OK- I'll feed the troll. How does my wife being bullied while shopping in a Walmart, or trying to do her job make her, or myself, stupid?

Your wife sounds stupid because she has had a couple of negative experiences with specific black people (who she encountered for the very first time as a grown-ass woman, apparently,) and is now "leery" of "them" as a group. You sound stupid because you believe her leeriness is "needless to say" in this situation (to which those of us who do not categorically fear racial groups after a run-in with two people can attest.)

I'm sorry she was bullied by strangers, but I have to que ...


We had just moved to the US from Japan but had been living on base so she's mingled with other races before without any detrimental events. It was sort of a shock to be singled out for no particular reason- much like being bit by an unprovoked dog. Can you get over it? Maybe, but bad expirience tells you to take care. You get repeatedly bit without provocation? A little more difficulty then to just get over it now. She does not habour any hate- just a heightened caution lest she get bit again. It is unfortunate that she is often surrounded by crappy ambassadors of other cultures, but as that is the nature of her workplace- c'est la vie.

You sound like an ass though- willing to fight the good fight for all trollkind, and in the process failing to recognize that there are people who can't appear to get over wars that were fought and lost long before they were even born, but expecting the victim of traumatic recent events to "just get over it".
 
2012-12-29 03:48:39 PM

robhidalgo: ultimately harmless thing. Right?


clearly you were never bullied. only a bully or someone who was never bullied or hated on would even pretend to suggest that what was done was harmless.

IT WAS A NOOSE. THEY KILLED black people by hanging them from trees. This is a threat.
I guess we could ask the black kid what should be done.
Was it harmless or a threat.
If harmless, the kid doesnt even get a suspension.
If a threat, the kid gets expelled.
But when we dismiss it, we continue to condone it, which I guess is your point.
 
2012-12-29 03:52:26 PM
I got decked by some random black kid while walking through an all-black high school when my team was participating in a match. That was "just crime, just some stupid punk, I shoulda been more careful, etc.". Yet this shiat occurs and now people are saying how racist whites are? Wut da fuq?

So sick of liberals acting like only whites can be racist, that blacks are these innocent little victims who cannot possibly have a racist bone in their bodies.
 
2012-12-29 03:55:03 PM

namatad: super_grass: The kid made an ignorant mistake, punish him and educate him so he knows better. Preventing him from getting any more education will only make him more ignorant and bigoted.

LOL
Clearly his parents have taught him to be a bigot and either he has failed to learn ANYTHING about racism, the schools have failed to teach him ANYTHING about racism or both.
But the idea that he is anything other than a bully "I was just making a joke", is bullshiat.
Bullies are so cute when they use that old chestnut.
Plus, his inability to be honest about what he did in the first place is even more proof of the problem.

"I am sorry that I got caught. It was an honest mistake. I was just making a joke"

Spare me.


Assuming that his parents are in fact racists (not like kids act out instead of what their parents teach). We should do something to reinforce those beliefs? Honestly this is a issue i have with society in general. Someone did something that offended you. Not hurt, just offend and you jump on the "let's punish them" bandwagon. How about we educate this child not punish him. Hell in-school detention watching "Roots" would be better than a suspension.
 
2012-12-29 03:56:46 PM

grimlock1972: No the punishment does not fit the crime, the student should have been expelled and faced criminal charges. suspension would be sufficient if the kid was 6th grade or younger and had a lesser understanding of what the items meant.


Yeah, because a Wisconsin teen today TOTALLY knows the symbolic history of the Deep South up to 1964! Maybe he saw it on Tony Brown's Journal!
 
2012-12-29 03:57:16 PM

namatad: super_grass: The kid made an ignorant mistake, punish him and educate him so he knows better. Preventing him from getting any more education will only make him more ignorant and bigoted.

LOL
Clearly his parents have taught him to be a bigot and either he has failed to learn ANYTHING about racism, the schools have failed to teach him ANYTHING about racism or both.
But the idea that he is anything other than a bully "I was just making a joke", is bullshiat.
Bullies are so cute when they use that old chestnut.
Plus, his inability to be honest about what he did in the first place is even more proof of the problem.

"I am sorry that I got caught. It was an honest mistake. I was just making a joke"

Spare me.


Looks like we got ourselves a Fark Sociologist(tm) here. Tell me, how does a single infraction prove the complete uselessness of public education and the indoctrination by his parents.
 
2012-12-29 03:58:34 PM
The girl was being teased about her breasts; probably not because they're small.  Boy had hots for girl.  Being in a town that's less than 1% black, he didn't know how to make a pass at her.  Then, one day in history class, he learned some things that would help him start a conversation with her.

This is why history should not be taught in schools.
 
2012-12-29 03:59:46 PM

Polyhazard: super_grass: Polyhazard: I was bit by an ill-trained dog as a child, but I didn't stop petting cats or sitting in chairs because they also have 4 legs.

That's a terrible analogy.

A better one would be being bitten by an ill-trained dog and fearing all dogs later on in your life.


My analogy was to demonstrate that this woman is fixating on one characteristic (color) that has fark all to do with the behavior she has a problem with. Like the 4 legs have to do with the bite.

If you'd like me to narrow this, it would be like if I was bit by a dog with brown spots, and feared dogs with brown spots forever. Never mind all the brown-spotted dogs going about their daily business without biting me, of course, they must be just like the first one I met.

You admit it's irrational. And I would never say "needless to say," a rape victim will be afraid of all men, because it simply isn't the case, and it certainly isn't desirable.


You're dead set on thinking that people who have been victimized always think as rationally when confronted by their fears as we do here in Fark. Many fears are irrational, but the memory of a negative or traumatic event is very real (to the victim) and is clearly seen in the victim's apparent irrational application or expression of it.
 
2012-12-29 04:00:23 PM

clowncar on fire: .You sound like an ass though- willing to fight the good fight for all trollkind, and in the process failing to recognize that there are people who can't appear to get over wars that were fought and lost long before they were even born, but expecting the victim of traumatic recent events to "just get over it".


I've never trolled Fark and I'm not starting now. I am 100% sincere.

Your wife is like my idiot uncle who thinks your wife is an amoral savage without even meeting her because 'Nam. We've had many Christmas dinners ruined by his favorite topic: The "slope-head" taking over his area of Southern California, and how THEY all are... But I don't tell him that's perfectly understandable for him to feel that way, because it farking isn't.

So maybe she's not hurling slurs, but it comes from the same place. And you are willing to tolerate and coddle that mindset on one hand, while on the other hand implying that black people complaining about racism today simply can't get over some long ago, forgotten past.
 
2012-12-29 04:01:57 PM

fat_free: So sick of liberals  morans acting like only whites can be racist, that blacks are these innocent little victims who cannot possibly have a racist bone in their bodies.


Fixed that for you, because I know a lot of liberals personally and none of them think only whites can be racist. Because unless you want the "liberals" just to assume that all conservatives are jesus freak, mouth-breathing, inbred rednecks, why would you assume that "liberals" are all the same?
Or was that what Rush told you to think today?

CSB
I have been reading  You're Not as Crazy as I Thought (But You're Still Wrong): Conversations between a Die-Hard Liberal and a Devoted Conservative. It has been quite amusing to watch two very educated people have an actual discussion and question their own preconceived notions and prejudices. The traps that people fall into because of simplistic thinking is quite frightening at times.

Example: that only religious/god worshiping people can be moral. Why would ANYONE think that? And yet many people assume that that is true.
/CSB
 
2012-12-29 04:08:51 PM

Ilmarinen: someonelse: "the fondue incident."

Go on....


It wasn't my fault, and the damage was minimal. That's all I'm saying.
 
2012-12-29 04:10:19 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: namatad: super_grass: The kid made an ignorant mistake, punish him and educate him so he knows better. Preventing him from getting any more education will only make him more ignorant and bigoted.

LOL
Clearly his parents have taught him to be a bigot and either he has failed to learn ANYTHING about racism, the schools have failed to teach him ANYTHING about racism or both.
But the idea that he is anything other than a bully "I was just making a joke", is bullshiat.
Bullies are so cute when they use that old chestnut.
Plus, his inability to be honest about what he did in the first place is even more proof of the problem.

"I am sorry that I got caught. It was an honest mistake. I was just making a joke"

Spare me.

Assuming that his parents are in fact racists (not like kids act out instead of what their parents teach). We should do something to reinforce those beliefs? Honestly this is a issue i have with society in general. Someone did something that offended you. Not hurt, just offend and you jump on the "let's punish them" bandwagon. How about we educate this child not punish him. Hell in-school detention watching "Roots" would be better than a suspension.


Sister Act 2 would be much more effective- and less time consuming-- if you were looking for something that would be the equivalent of mental waterboarding.
 
2012-12-29 04:11:09 PM

namatad: fat_free: So sick of liberals  morans acting like only whites can be racist, that blacks are these innocent little victims who cannot possibly have a racist bone in their bodies.

Fixed that for you, because I know a lot of liberals personally and none of them think only whites can be racist. Because unless you want the "liberals" just to assume that all conservatives are jesus freak, mouth-breathing, inbred rednecks, why would you assume that "liberals" are all the same?
Or was that what Rush told you to think today?

CSB
I have been reading  You're Not as Crazy as I Thought (But You're Still Wrong): Conversations between a Die-Hard Liberal and a Devoted Conservative. It has been quite amusing to watch two very educated people have an actual discussion and question their own preconceived notions and prejudices. The traps that people fall into because of simplistic thinking is quite frightening at times.

Example: that only religious/god worshiping people can be moral. Why would ANYONE think that? And yet many people assume that that is true.
/CSB


It's Saturday. I'm listening to "The Best of The Savage Nation".

I used "liberals" mainly because things like "hate crimes", "racist!", those terminologies seem to be from those supporting affirmative action, racial equality as a government goal, stuff like that, but live in ivory towers where daily interaction with non-whites is limited.

I'm tired of stupid shiat like what this jackass did being made out to be a racially explosive BFD but had something similar happened with the roles reversed, no one would make this big a fuss.
 
2012-12-29 04:17:41 PM

namatad: fat_free: So sick of liberals  morans acting like only whites can be racist, that blacks are these innocent little victims who cannot possibly have a racist bone in their bodies.

Fixed that for you, because I know a lot of liberals personally and none of them think only whites can be racist. Because unless you want the "liberals" just to assume that all conservatives are jesus freak, mouth-breathing, inbred rednecks, why would you assume that "liberals" are all the same?
Or was that what Rush told you to think today?

CSB
I have been reading  You're Not as Crazy as I Thought (But You're Still Wrong): Conversations between a Die-Hard Liberal and a Devoted Conservative. It has been quite amusing to watch two very educated people have an actual discussion and question their own preconceived notions and prejudices
. The traps that people fall into because of simplistic thinking is quite frightening at times.

Example: that only religious/god worshiping people can be moral. Why would ANYONE think that? And yet many people assume that that is true.
/CSB


So, how much does this resemble the politics tab and or the fark religious flamewar jihads?
 
2012-12-29 04:19:22 PM

clowncar on fire: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: namatad: super_grass: The kid made an ignorant mistake, punish him and educate him so he knows better. Preventing him from getting any more education will only make him more ignorant and bigoted.

LOL
Clearly his parents have taught him to be a bigot and either he has failed to learn ANYTHING about racism, the schools have failed to teach him ANYTHING about racism or both.
But the idea that he is anything other than a bully "I was just making a joke", is bullshiat.
Bullies are so cute when they use that old chestnut.
Plus, his inability to be honest about what he did in the first place is even more proof of the problem.

"I am sorry that I got caught. It was an honest mistake. I was just making a joke"

Spare me.

Assuming that his parents are in fact racists (not like kids act out instead of what their parents teach). We should do something to reinforce those beliefs? Honestly this is a issue i have with society in general. Someone did something that offended you. Not hurt, just offend and you jump on the "let's punish them" bandwagon. How about we educate this child not punish him. Hell in-school detention watching "Roots" would be better than a suspension.

Sister Act 2 would be much more effective- and less time consuming-- if you were looking for something that would be the equivalent of mental waterboarding.


That would be in clear violation of the 8th amendment.
 
2012-12-29 04:31:48 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Coco LaFemme: 100% chance this little defective got his ideas and notions from his parents.

Schools no longer teach about the KKK and lynchings?


Where did I say they didn't?  I said he learned to be a bigot, more than likely, from his parents.  I learned about the KKK, lynchings, Jim Crow, all of that in school.....it didn't make me retarded shiat like this.
 
2012-12-29 04:50:41 PM
Baldwin Wi is close enough to Minneapolis / St Paul for the residents to commute, shop, experience the nice things about the Twin Cities. I would damn near guarantee that the kids and parents, at least 95% or more of them don't get to Frog Town, West St. Paul, South Minneapolis, and sure as fark don't get to North.

Baldwin is about as white as white can be. (Known fact, previous resident) West central WI is a damn nice place to live, but it's really white. The (covert) racism exists there because of lack of experience and interaction with minorities of any kind. It is one of the few towns up here that don't even have a sizeable Hmong population and that really says something.

They are going to have to come to grips with their widespread hidden racism before any real change can happen. What the kid did was wrong, but he doesn't have any concept of what a hate crime really is.

The internet and nightly news does not prepare a person for real life. He may have heard the term before, but he and no one else in the town has actually witnessed or been victims of one.

The whole geographical area has some educating to do to themselves, Sundown towns are still de facto here because extremely few minorities live there anyhow.

/my 2¢ again
 
2012-12-29 04:55:19 PM

I Browse: Silly Jesus: Meh, even babies are "racist." They will frown at a face of another race and smile at a face of their own race. I don't understand why people are so shocked by this behavior.


What are your feelings about segregation, Silly Jesus? Based on this post (and others that I've read from you)...I get the sense that you view it as a logical approach to race relations.


I don't see a point in it. Races already do largely self segregate though. So I don't think there's some inherit evilness to it. Look at the lunchroom in many schools. Look at the playground. Look at prisons yards. The list goes on and on. People naturally gravitate toward those like them. As for forced segregation because one race is "icky" or some such? Nah, that's silly. If it's definitively shown that it's better for the learning environment etc., then sure, why not?

Some article on Fark awhile back talked about a study showing that grouping black students together in class with a strong black role model improved their performance whereas they were lagging behind their white counterparts significantly in non-segregated classrooms.
 
2012-12-29 04:55:30 PM
That should have said "nice" things, as in the stuff white, middle class, Christian, corporate people like. Not "nice things" like ethnic food, meeting people different from yourself, hearing different languages being spoken, etc.
 
2012-12-29 05:14:35 PM

Polyhazard: clowncar on fire: .You sound like an ass though- willing to fight the good fight for all trollkind, and in the process failing to recognize that there are people who can't appear to get over wars that were fought and lost long before they were even born, but expecting the victim of traumatic recent events to "just get over it".

I've never trolled Fark and I'm not starting now. I am 100% sincere.

Your wife is like my idiot uncle who thinks your wife is an amoral savage without even meeting her because 'Nam. We've had many Christmas dinners ruined by his favorite topic: The "slope-head" taking over his area of Southern California, and how THEY all are... But I don't tell him that's perfectly understandable for him to feel that way, because it farking isn't.

So maybe she's not hurling slurs, but it comes from the same place. And you are willing to tolerate and coddle that mindset on one hand, while on the other hand implying that black people complaining about racism today simply can't get over some long ago, forgotten past.


I was referring to the Civil war, but please go on...

I don't coddle the wife- she's a big girl now. She has been lived multicultural for the past 15+ years in the US in a mixed household so she's no stranger to being "the odd man out". I have yet to hear her say, "pearl Harbor; why can't you just get over it already?" though she has worked with a few patients that have worn their dislike for "the yellow devils" on numerous occaisions. She understans their dislike of asians years after the war but it's professionalism first with her. Her current difficulties have been working night shifts and on weekends when the staff doesn't share her view of responsibility. As previously mentioned, car got keyed and she was threatened for merely asking someone to do their job. One does not expect bullying at the work place by another adult so yeah- she doesn't necessarily hold high opinions of the people she sees on a day to day basis.
 
2012-12-29 05:35:07 PM
I see a lot of bleeding heart pussies in this thread. The Tokerners as I like to call them. They all have that one friend who "happens to be black".

Try growing up white in an all black neighborhood. You don't hear about the shiat they do. Stealing right out of your hands. Calling white kids honky and cracker, and Puerto Rican kids spics. Beating up anyone, anytime, including teachers. Having to have armed guards at the high school because they can't act civilized.

But no, you just keep thinking whitey is the only one that can be racist.
 
2012-12-29 06:07:33 PM

Cyno01: GL w/ that, nearest one is 3 hours away.

Outside of Milwaukee (city proper, not county), where whites are actually a minority, Wisconsin is soooooooo white. There are tons of communities where a kid could make it to 18 without ever seeing a black person besides on TV. Not to excuse what this little shiat did, and there are some pockets of actual white supremacists and things in southern Wisconsin, and this asshole who built a Hitler memorial... but yeah. Idk what my point is.


Actually there are more than a few Hmong clans all over the backwoods. The ones here in Milwaukee apparently all stink up the joint raising carp. The ones up by where I grew up in Juneau County grew weed and made rice wine.

/It's a give and take thing
 
2012-12-29 06:19:45 PM
clearly this kid deserves a summary execution by firing squad, and his family sent to the gulags. oh wait, suspension is totally fine? ok.
 
2012-12-29 07:10:10 PM

Coco LaFemme: 100% chance this little defective got his ideas and notions from his parents. Racism and bigotry is learned behavior.


Maybe, maybe not.
While it is certainly learned, kids pick up a lot of unsavory behaviors from their friends.
Friends are often as big -- or bigger -- of an influence than parents in that regard.
 
2012-12-29 07:14:35 PM
Its funny how hard the Total Fark members raged at this.
 
2012-12-29 07:23:29 PM

sgnilward: That should have said "nice" things, as in the stuff white, middle class, Christian, corporate people like. Not "nice things" like ethnic food, meeting people different from yourself, hearing different languages being spoken, etc.


Yeah, they go shopping in Woodbury or something.
 
2012-12-29 07:28:42 PM

hbk72777: I see a lot of bleeding heart pussies in this thread. The Tokerners as I like to call them. They all have that one friend who "happens to be black".

Try growing up white in an all black neighborhood. You don't hear about the shiat they do. Stealing right out of your hands. Calling white kids honky and cracker, and Puerto Rican kids spics. Beating up anyone, anytime, including teachers. Having to have armed guards at the high school because they can't act civilized.

But no, you just keep thinking whitey is the only one that can be racist.


Nobody said that. We're commenting on the story, not your story. You want to tell it, you are in the wrong place.

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2012-12-29 08:14:04 PM

hbk72777: I see a lot of bleeding heart pussies in this thread. The Tokerners as I like to call them. They all have that one friend who "happens to be black".

Try growing up white in an all black neighborhood. You don't hear about the shiat they do. Stealing right out of your hands. Calling white kids honky and cracker, and Puerto Rican kids spics. Beating up anyone, anytime, including teachers. Having to have armed guards at the high school because they can't act civilized.

But no, you just keep thinking whitey is the only one that can be racist.


I don't think that. I live in a multicultural area, and I know racism is embedded in most cultures and ethnicities, although the wiser members manage to evolve beyond it.

However, that's not what this story is about. Why are you and others bringing up "racism against whites" when the incident with this black child had nothing to do with that?
 
2012-12-29 08:15:57 PM
LanceDearnis 2012-12-29 12:04:58 PM

Nah, one-week suspension is fine. If he's a 'first offender', suspend him for a week, throw him out of any school clubs, and so on.

But remember, he's a kid. A stupid one. Expel him and you've basically given him a black mark for life. At the age of 13-14. You shouldn't be getting permanent consequences at that age unless if what you did caused permanent consequences to someone else.


Yeah. Because black kids are so used to what amounts to a death threat - that wouldn't be damaging to them at all.

WTF?

This is even worse than all the, "the kid is just ignorant," type bullshiat that passes for thought here. It's not ignorance. It's outright hatred and yes, the kid is a racist ass, and yes, his family probably is too and fark them all for being racist pricks.
 
2012-12-29 08:25:24 PM

Hermione_Granger: LanceDearnis 2012-12-29 12:04:58 PM

Nah, one-week suspension is fine. If he's a 'first offender', suspend him for a week, throw him out of any school clubs, and so on.

But remember, he's a kid. A stupid one. Expel him and you've basically given him a black mark for life. At the age of 13-14. You shouldn't be getting permanent consequences at that age unless if what you did caused permanent consequences to someone else.

Yeah. Because black kids are so used to what amounts to a death threat - that wouldn't be damaging to them at all.


They probably are used to it, which makes it that much worse.
 
2012-12-29 08:33:26 PM
Criminal charges? Somebody has an axe to grind. Certainly what he did was bad, but you'd have to stretch the law from here to Timbuktu to make it a crime. Suspension was the proper punishment Subby.
 
2012-12-29 08:42:53 PM

ignacio: Criminal charges? Somebody has an axe to grind. Certainly what he did was bad, but you'd have to stretch the law from here to Timbuktu to make it a crime. Suspension was the proper punishment Subby.


Not good enough for the PC police.
 
2012-12-29 10:35:42 PM

from my blood: Long as they play their hate rape and call each other nigs, it's anything goes.

We need the KKK to defend against the black "cause"


This is another reason prison shouldn't have Internet access.
 
2012-12-29 10:36:55 PM
Walker's Wisconsin.
 
2012-12-29 10:38:33 PM

liam76: VictoryCabal: Is this the thread where we pretend that a noose is a completely neutral symbol with absolutely no meaning, and that hundreds of years of American history of lynchings ignored (or abetted) by state police and governments never happened? Good, that sounds refreshing.

I think it is the thread where we pretend that a "little macrame noose" and a KKK symbol are an actual death threat.


If the person is a pussy, sure.

Slippery slope. If a piece of rope or a symbol is outlawed, soon enough someone will be offended by something you agree with and that will be outlawed too.

Being offended is part of life. Get over it, hippies.
 
2012-12-29 10:41:23 PM
Imagine if 99% of white people voted for Romney? Imagine the Fark outrage and racist claims?

What percentage of black people voted for Obama?
 
2012-12-29 10:56:01 PM
Looks like another kid is learning real life isn't like 4chan.
 
2012-12-29 11:01:31 PM
FTFA:"Her freshman year started out with students calling her 'Big Mocha' and making fun of her hair and breasts."

Mournful, she had mournful tits. They were like two suicide notes stuffed in a glitter bra.
 
2012-12-29 11:44:56 PM
Not news, just Wisconsin.
 
2012-12-30 02:13:00 AM

Thunderpipes: Imagine if 99% of white people voted for Romney? Imagine the Fark outrage and racist claims?

What percentage of black people voted for Obama?


And this has to do with this incident... how? Maybe you could join us back in the actual discussion, fail troll.
 
2012-12-30 04:46:42 AM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Absolutely nothing happened to the black kids who set a white kid on fire in Kansas City. Why is it only surprising when the kid is white? I'm not trying to be racist. I'm just trying to be fair. I hate all races equally and children especially.


Really? Care to post any sort of citation? Racist angles aside, I think setting fire to other people is against the law and if they know who did ti there should be criminal charges.


Why do stories like this never include so much as a name? Maybe it's all made up, but they're too lazy to even make up a name.
 
2012-12-30 06:40:58 AM

Happy Hours: Really? Care to post any sort of citation? Racist angles aside, I think setting fire to other people is against the law and if they know who did ti there should be criminal charges.


Why do stories like this never include so much as a name? Maybe it's all made up, but they're too lazy to even make up a name.


http://www.kctv5.com/story/17048649/teens-set-13-year-old-student-on- f ire
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57390638-504083/cops-seek-teen s -who-allegedly-set-fire-to-13-year-old-student/

That took maybe 30 seconds?

Try all you like, but in the modern era there's two things you can be sure of... If you go missing, you had better hope you're white and photogenic, and if you're the victim of a hate crime, you had better hope you're something other than white. You're free to speculate as to why members of other races don't get attention when they go missing or why hate crimes only seem to be "major news" when they are perpetuated against rather than by minorities... Because I've yet to figure out why it's that way.

If the news media is racist against minorities, why do hate crimes against them get more attention?

If the news media is not racist against minorities, why do they get no attention when they go missing?
 
2012-12-30 10:58:53 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Thunderpipes: Imagine if 99% of white people voted for Romney? Imagine the Fark outrage and racist claims?

What percentage of black people voted for Obama?

And this has to do with this incident... how? Maybe you could join us back in the actual discussion, fail WIN troll.


FTFY

He hooked you.
 
2012-12-30 01:31:52 PM
The KKK symbol was a Klan hat that the boy made in art class, where he made the noose as well. He donned the hat, walked over to the black girl and placed the noose on her desk. The teacher says she saw none of this. How do you supervise a classroom and not notice a student walking around wearing a KKK hat? Couple of problems with what the principal said--"he gave the small noose to a black classmate"--first of all, the work gave to me infers a gift--this was certainly not a gift. Second, does the size of the noose matter?? The principal had no intention of disciplining the boy (who's 15 and a sophomore) until the phone calls to him began--he then went from in school suspension to out of school suspension, but won't disclose for how many days. The girl is in the state foster program, and to say that the foster mother is an attention whore is just ignorant. She's protecting her child, but it's also in the hands of the state foster care system. To clarify, there are 3 other black students in the school, so the white kids their have had past exposure to other races. The school has dropped the ball when dealing with racist acts and intolerance of racism and bullying. Someone mentioned earlier that there was no Hmong population in Baldwin--there was at one point. I believe 2-3 years ago there was a Hmong family in the area and the son was beaten up by a group of white students. Don't remember what happend with that situation. FYI--the black student is my foster granddaughter, so I know first hand what has happened and how devastating this incident has been for our entire family. There are other children in the home who have been affected by the hatred and racism. It's sad that neither the boy or his parents have made any effort to contact the foster parents about the incident--no apology for an act of ignorance, no expression of remorse.
 
2012-12-30 02:27:07 PM
Too bad the thread is dead.
 
2012-12-30 02:32:03 PM
it just needs some batteries

www.tnrbattery.com
 
2012-12-30 03:35:38 PM

sillyme1996: The KKK symbol was a Klan hat that the boy made in art class, where he made the noose as well. He donned the hat, walked over to the black girl and placed the noose on her desk. The teacher says she saw none of this. How do you supervise a classroom and not notice a student walking around wearing a KKK hat? Couple of problems with what the principal said--"he gave the small noose to a black classmate"--first of all, the work gave to me infers a gift--this was certainly not a gift. Second, does the size of the noose matter?? The principal had no intention of disciplining the boy (who's 15 and a sophomore) until the phone calls to him began--he then went from in school suspension to out of school suspension, but won't disclose for how many days. The girl is in the state foster program, and to say that the foster mother is an attention whore is just ignorant. She's protecting her child, but it's also in the hands of the state foster care system. To clarify, there are 3 other black students in the school, so the white kids their have had past exposure to other races. The school has dropped the ball when dealing with racist acts and intolerance of racism and bullying. Someone mentioned earlier that there was no Hmong population in Baldwin--there was at one point. I believe 2-3 years ago there was a Hmong family in the area and the son was beaten up by a group of white students. Don't remember what happend with that situation. FYI--the black student is my foster granddaughter, so I know first hand what has happened and how devastating this incident has been for our entire family. There are other children in the home who have been affected by the hatred and racism. It's sad that neither the boy or his parents have made any effort to contact the foster parents about the incident--no apology for an act of ignorance, no expression of remorse.


And actual first-hand knowledge trumps conjecture and assumption once again. Let your foster granddaughter know that slimy turds like the kid in TFA are not the norm, and that she's got a lot more support than she'll ever know. When she's old enough to get out on her own, she can move to a place that's not chock-full of backwoods peckerwoods, and enjoy her life among civilized people. She'll still run into an asshat or two, but life will be much more enjoyable.
 
2012-12-31 07:33:24 PM

SubBass49: SubBass49: Funny thing about this...

I had a hunch that maybe this town (Baldwin) had been a "sundown town" at some point, so I searched the sundown town database. While Baldwin wasn't mentioned, it didn't surprise me that much to see that it was completely surrounded by probable sundown towns.

New Richmond (just north-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

River Falls (just south-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Menomonie (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Hudson (just west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Barron (just north-east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Eau Claire (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data and documented racial exclusion/mistreatment of Black baseball players on a local team

So very interesting to me.

BTW...if you haven't read this book yet, pick it up ASAP. A real eye-opener.

[images.betterworldbooks.com image 265x400]

Shiat...forgot to add this: SEARCH FOR SUNDOWN TOWNS IN THE US (MAP)

You'd be surprised to see just how common they are/were...even in non-Southern states.


I get feeling better when I'm feeling no pain
 
2013-01-01 01:19:42 PM

Fano: SubBass49: SubBass49: Funny thing about this...

I had a hunch that maybe this town (Baldwin) had been a "sundown town" at some point, so I searched the sundown town database. While Baldwin wasn't mentioned, it didn't surprise me that much to see that it was completely surrounded by probable sundown towns.

New Richmond (just north-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

River Falls (just south-west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Menomonie (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Hudson (just west of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Barron (just north-east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data

Eau Claire (just east of Baldwin): Possible Sundown Town based on historical census data and documented racial exclusion/mistreatment of Black baseball players on a local team

So very interesting to me.

BTW...if you haven't read this book yet, pick it up ASAP. A real eye-opener.

[images.betterworldbooks.com image 265x400]

Shiat...forgot to add this: SEARCH FOR SUNDOWN TOWNS IN THE US (MAP)

You'd be surprised to see just how common they are/were...even in non-Southern states.

I get feeling better when I'm feeling no pain


You'd better take care.
 
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