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2012-12-29 11:11:34 AM  

Amos Quito: utah dude: just favorited AQ


Fav'd you the other day in the NY "gun map" thread  :-)


You, spentmiles, and PocketNinja were the first 3 farkers I favorited, you guys are all funny as hell. Now utah dude is my "knows about chemicals" favorite.
 
2012-12-29 11:14:53 AM  
We need to have doodlers in all schools walking the halls.
 
2012-12-29 11:17:37 AM  
At no point in time did the boy threaten the school, school officials, or his classmates. He cooperated fully with authorities, and a search of the school itself found nothing dangerous. The boy's mother describes him as a good boy and frequent volunteer with a passion for disassembling old things and reassembling them. School district superintendent Steve Ciccariello stated that he would not expect violent behavior from the student. Further, Galloway Township Police Chief Pat Moran recognized that "There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb." Despite all this, the boy was arrested - all because he doodled in his notebook.

AT NO POINT DID HE THREATEN THE SCHOOL

RELEASE HIM
 
2012-12-29 11:30:53 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Silly Jesus: tillerman35: Typical newspaper writing. All them facts clutter up the page and take up valuable advertising space! My guess is that during interrogation the kid admitted to having chemicals of some sort or another at home, and that was enough for a warrant.

Which is why EVERY SINGLE KID should be shown that "don't talk to the police" video and have it beaten into their heads with a 2x4 that as soon as they're in trouble, or it seems like they MIGHT be in trouble, or it seems like the SRO has even glanced in their direction, they need to (1) shut up, and (2) lawyer up. Time to go have "the talk" with my kids.

You're as crazy as the admins, but in the opposite direction, I think.

Yes, telling people to not incriminate themselves is exactly as crazy as arresting somebody for doodling.

Well, you are talking indoctrination.


This. They apparently didn't read the article:

A subsequent search of the boy's home led to his arrest because they found several electronic parts and chemicals.

Do the police now "interrogate" before arrests?

A doodle is not just cause for a search warrant as many farkers noted..
When the police officially state:
"There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb."

There should have been NO arrest.

Although, sort of happy about the whole doubting of a teen's wellbeing(that's part of the road to detecting mental health that everyone is talking about), but it was approached all wrong.
 
2012-12-29 11:39:43 AM  
So...according to FARK, if a student draws pictures of guns & stuff in their notebook and a teacher sees them, they shouldn't report it to anyone.

Two possible outcomes:

1. Kid is a normal and well-adjusted kid, and goes on with their life like a normal person. Teacher goes on with their life as well. Everyone happy & safe.

2. Kid goes on to shoot up the school, and FARKERS wring their hands and call for the head of the teacher on a platter when word comes that disturbing drawings had been seen by them prior to the shooting. Lawsuits against the teacher on the behalf of all those killed (and all survivors, why not?) begin to pile up. Teacher wishes they had just told an administrator about it and let them handle it from there. You know...like the teacher in this incident did.

"It didn't look good to her," (Superintendent) Ciccariello said. "It was the perfect implementation of what our staff is trained to do. If they see any warning signs, they are to report it to school officials, and that's what she did."

Yeah...I'd do the same. I'm not putting my career and livelihood (as well as that of my family) on the line to take a moral stand on whether a kid should draw guns in their notebook. I don't get paid enough for that shiat. Pass it along to an administrator, just like district procedure says, and let them handle it.

/used to draw gun in his notebook all the time as a kid
//animations of stick figures shooting other stick figures too
 
2012-12-29 11:50:03 AM  

SubBass49: So...according to FARK, if a student draws pictures of guns & stuff in their notebook and a teacher sees them, they shouldn't report it to anyone.

Two possible outcomes:

1. Kid is a normal and well-adjusted kid, and goes on with their life like a normal person. Teacher goes on with their life as well. Everyone happy & safe.

2. Kid goes on to shoot up the school, and FARKERS wring their hands and call for the head of the teacher on a platter when word comes that disturbing drawings had been seen by them prior to the shooting. Lawsuits against the teacher on the behalf of all those killed (and all survivors, why not?) begin to pile up. Teacher wishes they had just told an administrator about it and let them handle it from there. You know...like the teacher in this incident did.

"It didn't look good to her," (Superintendent) Ciccariello said. "It was the perfect implementation of what our staff is trained to do. If they see any warning signs, they are to report it to school officials, and that's what she did."

Yeah...I'd do the same. I'm not putting my career and livelihood (as well as that of my family) on the line to take a moral stand on whether a kid should draw guns in their notebook. I don't get paid enough for that shiat. Pass it along to an administrator, just like district procedure says, and let them handle it.

/used to draw gun in his notebook all the time as a kid
//animations of stick figures shooting other stick figures too


I don't think that is the problem here. The problem is the reaction that took place after the teacher reported it. The parents are morans. Drawings of "weapons" probably wouldn't have been grounds for a warrant but obviously the parents just cooperated because they thought they had "nothing to hide". The kid had some electronic components and chemicals which could explode when mixed together but they don't tell us what they were. It doesn't say whether or not the kid had an arduino, passive components, switches, a broken gameboy, etc. The chemicals could be anything as well. He could just be a smart kid who is into hardware hacking or something who knows. The article is vague but it does say that the chief of police said "There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb."

I don't think most farkers are implying that the teacher shouldn't report suspicious activity. It's just that this kid probably shouldn't be in a detention center. It doesn't sound like he has been convicted of anything yet so I'd like to see how this one plays out.
 
2012-12-29 11:50:19 AM  
BTW...I realize that the NY Daily News is a trash rag, but reading their article on the incident makes things a bit clearer...especially where it states that he was arrested for possession of an explosive device (not for drawing weapons in his notebook).

They also ran this picture with the article:

assets.nydailynews.com


Bit different from a bottle of bleach and some windex.
 
2012-12-29 12:04:49 PM  

jake_lex: Amos Quito: beefoe: I heard about a similar story where a kid in Galloway Township was arrested for doodling in his notebook and police found chemicals that "if mixed together, could explode". Must be a lot of this going around.


Okay, now I'm worried.

Would someone please post a comprehensive list of all "chemicals" that might potentially explode or otherwise be "dangerous" in some way either alone or mixed with other "chemicals"?

God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.

Do you have a bottle of ammonia and a bottle of bleach in your house?  You obviously want to make a chlorine gas bomb, terrorist.


TFA is vague with what they found. I don't know anything about explosives but it seems that chemicals and electronics are found in all homes.
 
2012-12-29 12:06:10 PM  

Avery614: Amos Quito: utah dude: just favorited AQ


Fav'd you the other day in the NY "gun map" thread  :-)

You, spentmiles, and PocketNinja were the first 3 farkers I favorited, you guys are all funny as hell. Now utah dude is my "knows about chemicals" favorite.



I am honored to be mentioned in the same breath with spentmiles and PocketNinja.

/Had you fave'd since last year :-)
 
2012-12-29 12:08:49 PM  
I agree with those saying you shouldn't talk to the police. If you think society has common sense you are delusional. Electronic components look scary to people who don't know what they are. Most people think they are magical pieces that Sony puts together to make stuff. The could never even imagine in their tiny brains that a teenager could put them together to make something so it must be a bomb. According to the FBI anyone buying electronic components from Radio Shack should be viewed suspiciously. Link

If you think you have nothing to hide you are also mistaken. Pretty much everyone in this country is violating some law that you don't even know exists. My friend was using ZEP oven cleaner to strip the finish off of gun stocks. Not really a huge deal except that he is violating federal law along with anyone else who uses a household chemical in any manner not described in the instructions. It is even printed on the label. If you don't follow the instructions on your household cleaners and chemicals, you are violating federal law. There are so many federal laws that no one can track them. Link "There is no one in the United States over the age of 18 who cannot be indicted for some federal crime,"

This story reminds me of a time that a friend and I were going through security at the airport. He had a motherboard in his carry on bag and this old woman TSA agent almost soiled her pants. It was like she lost the air from her lungs and couldn't speak. Her eyes got huge and she motioned to another TSA agent. He said "It's just a motherboard. It's fine" and they let us through.
 
2012-12-29 12:13:11 PM  

ajgeek: So the "electronic parts" was probably a broken GameBoy and an old video card. And the "chemicals" were probably hand lotion and a bottle of Simple Green his mother left in them with a note under it saying "CLEAN THIS ROOM!"

I have metal pipe in my workshop with tools and fuels, I guess that means I'm building guns, or bombs, or GUN BOMBS!


Put me down for 2 Gun Bombs please.
 
2012-12-29 12:16:43 PM  

jaybeezey: Put me down for 2 Gun Bombs please.


3.bp.blogspot.com

fark gun bombs, I want Tyrannosaurs in F-14s!!

/Calvin, in this world, would be medicated and in a detention center......
 
2012-12-29 12:23:31 PM  

SubBass49: BTW...I realize that the NY Daily News is a trash rag, but reading their article on the incident makes things a bit clearer...especially where it states that he was arrested for possession of an explosive device (not for drawing weapons in his notebook).

They also ran this picture with the article:

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x503]


Bit different from a bottle of bleach and some windex.


If you have the means to assemble an explosive device it is the same as possession of an explosive device.

SubBass49: BTW...I realize that the NY Daily News is a trash rag, but reading their article on the incident makes things a bit clearer...especially where it states that he was arrested for possession of an explosive device (not for drawing weapons in his notebook).

They also ran this picture with the article:

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x503]


Bit different from a bottle of bleach and some windex.


Nowhere in that article does it say that the photograph is of what they found in the kids home. If you hover over it the caption says "plastic containers filled with explosives and the chemicals used to make them". Every article that I can find on this says the kid was arrested for having chemicals that could explode when mixed together. Again the chief of police said that he hadn't built a bomb and wasn't trying to build a bomb. If this image is of explosives in this kids garage or basement then that would mean the chief of police was lying.
 
2012-12-29 12:28:46 PM  
... and these are the kind of jackbooted thug bureaucrats you want to ditch the 2nd Amendment in favor of?
 
2012-12-29 12:38:35 PM  

numbquil: Nowhere in that article does it say that the photograph is of what they found in the kids home.


Indeed. It's a photo from the Middle East somewhere, if i recall correctly.
 
2012-12-29 12:41:39 PM  

SubBass49: I'd do the same. I'm not putting my career and livelihood (as well as that of my family) on the line to take a moral stand on whether a kid should draw guns in their notebook. I don't get paid enough for that shiat. Pass it along to an administrator, just like district procedure says, and let them handle it.


The toughest part about this approach is that I'm not sure there's a way to approach it with the kid without putting them on red alert status.

Example: Teacher does a notebook check (our teachers did this, presumably to make sure we were taking classroom notes as expected) and sees some sort of futuristic-looking laser battle diagrammed in the margin. To an extent, the teacher knows the student's tendencies better than an administrator may, and can make a snap judgment as to whether this is the work of a destructive mind with dangerous possibilities, or a creative mind that's just seen "Star Wars" too many times. Of course, we're really concerned about the kid who seems like the second type but is about to snap violently like we'd imagine the first type would. And you're right, it probably shouldn't be on the shoulders of the teacher's career and conscience to make that call.

But how can the administration react such that the kid isn't branded a threat, regardless of the outcome?

As a student, you know that administration never calls you down to the office just to say hello. It doesn't matter if they summon you over the PA system, or if they quietly pull you out of homeroom; if the guidance department or principal are looking for you, there's something up. Everyone else knows it, too. If you're one of the miscreants, you probably don't care, because it gives you that suggestion of street cred. If you're one of the "good" kids, the stigma is that much worse. People talk, rumors spread, and suddenly you're the good kid who must have done something wrong. And that's assuming that you get to the office, explain your case, and the principals, guidance counselors and resource officer or whoever else is in on the meeting decides that you're no threat. If they feel it warrants follow-up, well, it's more of the above, more rumors, more stress, a questionable reputation. As adults, we can brush this off as teen drama. But when you're a teen living through it, all that stuff actually matters, because you don't have the worldly perspective to know otherwise.

At the best case, you identify a kid who's a threat, to himself or to others, and you act accordingly before the threat gets out of hand. At the worst case...well, a kid is momentarily inconvenienced to ensure they're not a threat. But in the kid's eyes, the inconvenience doesn't end when he walks back to class. I'm not saying that a top-ten student who gets interrogated by a concerned principal is going to become a serial killer. But it might stifle one's creativity, or adversely impact their social standing. Again, small potatoes to us, but that stuff can be earth-shaking for a teen, and over time, it could manifest into something greater.

I'm not saying we can't and shouldn't look deeper into these sorts of warning signs. But we need to recognize that the responses that seem to benefit the greater good often have some kind of less-than-desirable collateral damage. Committing every student who draws a gun in their notes is no more palatable a solution than ignoring all of them. But how do we approach the kids who have yet to fall on the threat radar without risking flagging them as a threat?

Thank God I'm not an administrator.
 
2012-12-29 12:42:31 PM  

numbquil: SubBass49: BTW...I realize that the NY Daily News is a trash rag, but reading their article on the incident makes things a bit clearer...especially where it states that he was arrested for possession of an explosive device (not for drawing weapons in his notebook).

They also ran this picture with the article:

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x503]


Bit different from a bottle of bleach and some windex.

If you have the means to assemble an explosive device it is the same as possession of an explosive device. SubBass49: BTW...I realize that the NY Daily News is a trash rag, but reading their article on the incident makes things a bit clearer...especially where it states that he was arrested for possession of an explosive device (not for drawing weapons in his notebook).

They also ran this picture with the article:

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x503]


Bit different from a bottle of bleach and some windex.

Nowhere in that article does it say that the photograph is of what they found in the kids home. If you hover over it the caption says "plastic containers filled with explosives and the chemicals used to make them". Every article that I can find on this says the kid was arrested for having chemicals that could explode when mixed together. Again the chief of police said that he hadn't built a bomb and wasn't trying to build a bomb. If this image is of explosives in this kids garage or basement then that would mean the chief of police was lying.


Yeah...that's why I was careful to preface that the NY Daily News is a trash rag, and that this was a pic they ran with the article (meaning not necessarily from the current case). Still, if that's actually what the kid had...seems a bit more intentional than the prevailing suggestions.
 
2012-12-29 12:46:08 PM  

pwn3d781: SubBass49: I'd do the same. I'm not putting my career and livelihood (as well as that of my family) on the line to take a moral stand on whether a kid should draw guns in their notebook. I don't get paid enough for that shiat. Pass it along to an administrator, just like district procedure says, and let them handle it.

The toughest part about this approach is that I'm not sure there's a way to approach it with the kid without putting them on red alert status.

Example: Teacher does a notebook check (our teachers did this, presumably to make sure we were taking classroom notes as expected) and sees some sort of futuristic-looking laser battle diagrammed in the margin. To an extent, the teacher knows the student's tendencies better than an administrator may, and can make a snap judgment as to whether this is the work of a destructive mind with dangerous possibilities, or a creative mind that's just seen "Star Wars" too many times. Of course, we're really concerned about the kid who seems like the second type but is about to snap violently like we'd imagine the first type would. And you're right, it probably shouldn't be on the shoulders of the teacher's career and conscience to make that call.

But how can the administration react such that the kid isn't branded a threat, regardless of the outcome?

As a student, you know that administration never calls you down to the office just to say hello. It doesn't matter if they summon you over the PA system, or if they quietly pull you out of homeroom; if the guidance department or principal are looking for you, there's something up. Everyone else knows it, too. If you're one of the miscreants, you probably don't care, because it gives you that suggestion of street cred. If you're one of the "good" kids, the stigma is that much worse. People talk, rumors spread, and suddenly you're the good kid who must have done something wrong. And that's assuming that you get to the office, explain your case, and the principals, guidan ...


Holy shiat! Reasonable and logic discourse on MY Fark? Bravo to you for such a well thought out and hyperbole-free statement. FAVORITED
 
2012-12-29 12:47:41 PM  

gunga galunga: iq_in_binary: Yeah, we're worried about another Columbine or Sandy Hook, so let's do our best to prevent it by treating kids in a way that'll make them the kind of people that would pull another Columbine or Sandy Hook.

Fark off morons.

This is the shiat I've been banging my head against the wall over ever since Columbine. Asshat school administrators target kids that they perceive to be troubled, and then put them through a stigmatizing and traumatizing ordeal guaranteeing that if these students weren't disgruntled before, they sure as.shiat are now.

And they sweep it all under the rug to protect their own asses, which is exactly what is going to happen this time around. I'd love to see, for once, these assholes get their feet held to the fire and go through the same ordeal they put the kids through, but considering that the Supreme Court ruled that a school had their right to strip search a girl without any probable cause tells me they will continue to get away with their fascist behavior.


Story of my life. Columbine was 7th grade for me. White, Single, Intelligent (I was in a GT program). Played video games. I swear to god they looked for whatever they could to suspend me and have expulsion hearings. My friends, too.

Half of them ended up dangling from hemp.

And people wonder why I spent my early twenties a Randroid.
 
2012-12-29 12:49:44 PM  

omeganuepsilon: StoPPeRmobile: The Jami Turman Fan Club: Silly Jesus: tillerman35: Typical newspaper writing. All them facts clutter up the page and take up valuable advertising space! My guess is that during interrogation the kid admitted to having chemicals of some sort or another at home, and that was enough for a warrant.

Which is why EVERY SINGLE KID should be shown that "don't talk to the police" video and have it beaten into their heads with a 2x4 that as soon as they're in trouble, or it seems like they MIGHT be in trouble, or it seems like the SRO has even glanced in their direction, they need to (1) shut up, and (2) lawyer up. Time to go have "the talk" with my kids.

You're as crazy as the admins, but in the opposite direction, I think.

Yes, telling people to not incriminate themselves is exactly as crazy as arresting somebody for doodling.

Well, you are talking indoctrination.

This. They apparently didn't read the article:

A subsequent search of the boy's home led to his arrest because they found several electronic parts and chemicals.

Do the police now "interrogate" before arrests?

A doodle is not just cause for a search warrant as many farkers noted..
When the police officially state:
"There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb."

There should have been NO arrest.

Although, sort of happy about the whole doubting of a teen's wellbeing(that's part of the road to detecting mental health that everyone is talking about), but it was approached all wrong.


It's going to be a huge net.
 
2012-12-29 12:51:25 PM  

iq_in_binary: gunga galunga: iq_in_binary: Yeah, we're worried about another Columbine or Sandy Hook, so let's do our best to prevent it by treating kids in a way that'll make them the kind of people that would pull another Columbine or Sandy Hook.

Fark off morons.

This is the shiat I've been banging my head against the wall over ever since Columbine. Asshat school administrators target kids that they perceive to be troubled, and then put them through a stigmatizing and traumatizing ordeal guaranteeing that if these students weren't disgruntled before, they sure as.shiat are now.

And they sweep it all under the rug to protect their own asses, which is exactly what is going to happen this time around. I'd love to see, for once, these assholes get their feet held to the fire and go through the same ordeal they put the kids through, but considering that the Supreme Court ruled that a school had their right to strip search a girl without any probable cause tells me they will continue to get away with their fascist behavior.

Story of my life. Columbine was 7th grade for me. White, Single, Intelligent (I was in a GT program). Played video games. I swear to god they looked for whatever they could to suspend me and have expulsion hearings. My friends, too.

Half of them ended up dangling from hemp.

And people wonder why I spent my early twenties a Randroid.


I was also in 7th grade when the Columbine shooting happened. The funniest thing I remember is the day the principal talked to all my outcast friends and I. He was inquiring as to whether or not the Pokemon card game was similar to the PC game Doom.
 
2012-12-29 12:54:33 PM  

iq_in_binary: Story of my life. Columbine was 7th grade for me. White, Single, Intelligent (I was in a GT program). Played video games. I swear to god they looked for whatever they could to suspend me and have expulsion hearings. My friends, too.

Half of them ended up dangling from hemp.

And people wonder why I spent my early twenties a Randroid.


Was your school administration that bored? I know lots of people that fit your description who went about their daily lives with no problem after Columbine. Me thinks you may be leaving some things out of this story...just sayin'
 
2012-12-29 12:57:36 PM  

Amos Quito: God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.


Don't you dare mix ammonia and bleach. You'll blow your toilet up and go to gitmo.
 
2012-12-29 01:04:42 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: yea, he's wrong, however the outrage that it went that far is justified
Link


That, and every level of the court system found that it was unconstitutional; the sad part is that the Supremes offered a one-time "oops" to the asshats who basically sexually assaulted her. The first two levels found them guilty of disregarding all common sense and existing case law, but somehow the majority decided there wasn't enough case law to make them individually liable.

Most of the dissents were that they were, in fact, liable... except Clarence Thomas, who argued that the strip search was perfectly reasonable and justified, since students have no rights. Wonder what types of porn he watches, eh? His presence on the court is such an embarrassment to the nation.

I hope they were fired over the judgment the school district had to pay out, however.
 
2012-12-29 01:12:46 PM  

SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Story of my life. Columbine was 7th grade for me. White, Single, Intelligent (I was in a GT program). Played video games. I swear to god they looked for whatever they could to suspend me and have expulsion hearings. My friends, too.

Half of them ended up dangling from hemp.

And people wonder why I spent my early twenties a Randroid.

Was your school administration that bored? I know lots of people that fit your description who went about their daily lives with no problem after Columbine. Me thinks you may be leaving some things out of this story...just sayin'


No, they just plain wanted me and everybody like me gone, anybody who was in the Harris and Klebold folder (White, Intelligent, Single, plays video games).

They suspended me for writing an article for the farking school newspaper for christ sakes. Now, some were legitimate (1 fight, I don't think anything written in dry erase ink qualifies as "defacement" but wtf ever), but most of them were either for completely bullshiat reasons or for things I wasn't even involved in. One kid was passing out a floppy with a bunch of text files on it, one of them was the Anarchist Cookbook, the rest were phreaking mags and stuff you see any nerdy kid with a computer messing around with. I got suspended and had an expulsion hearing for having taken one of the floppies. I mean for farks sake it was Colorado's highest scored gifted and talented program, of course we're going to have stuff like that. Most of us were fluent in 3 languages at 13 and had IQs above 132 (the minimum IQ you had to have to get into the school).

Want to see an interesting trend? Look at the teen suicide rates in CO after Columbine. It was atrocious.
 
2012-12-29 01:35:28 PM  
Probably 90% of the stuff I drew as a kid would have gotten me arrested in school today. I was into drawing war scenes, shark attacks, alien invasions, and high speed car chases.
 
2012-12-29 01:36:53 PM  

iq_in_binary: SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Story of my life. Columbine was 7th grade for me. White, Single, Intelligent (I was in a GT program). Played video games. I swear to god they looked for whatever they could to suspend me and have expulsion hearings. My friends, too.

Half of them ended up dangling from hemp.

And people wonder why I spent my early twenties a Randroid.

Was your school administration that bored? I know lots of people that fit your description who went about their daily lives with no problem after Columbine. Me thinks you may be leaving some things out of this story...just sayin'

No, they just plain wanted me and everybody like me gone, anybody who was in the Harris and Klebold folder (White, Intelligent, Single, plays video games).

They suspended me for writing an article for the farking school newspaper for christ sakes. Now, some were legitimate (1 fight, I don't think anything written in dry erase ink qualifies as "defacement" but wtf ever), but most of them were either for completely bullshiat reasons or for things I wasn't even involved in. One kid was passing out a floppy with a bunch of text files on it, one of them was the Anarchist Cookbook, the rest were phreaking mags and stuff you see any nerdy kid with a computer messing around with. I got suspended and had an expulsion hearing for having taken one of the floppies. I mean for farks sake it was Colorado's highest scored gifted and talented program, of course we're going to have stuff like that. Most of us were fluent in 3 languages at 13 and had IQs above 132 (the minimum IQ you had to have to get into the school).

Want to see an interesting trend? Look at the teen suicide rates in CO after Columbine. It was atrocious.


Well, if you're being 100% honest about all that, then your school's admin was farking stupid. Sorry you and your buds had to go through all that. Hope the scars have healed.
 
2012-12-29 01:45:43 PM  

SubBass49: (meaning not necessarily from the current case)


What "chemicals" may look like.

I'm guessing that's what this is. A leak to just that site and then recyclers of the story seems too unlikely.
 
2012-12-29 01:46:53 PM  

SubBass49: iq_in_binary: SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Story of my life. Columbine was 7th grade for me. White, Single, Intelligent (I was in a GT program). Played video games. I swear to god they looked for whatever they could to suspend me and have expulsion hearings. My friends, too.

Half of them ended up dangling from hemp.

And people wonder why I spent my early twenties a Randroid.

Was your school administration that bored? I know lots of people that fit your description who went about their daily lives with no problem after Columbine. Me thinks you may be leaving some things out of this story...just sayin'

No, they just plain wanted me and everybody like me gone, anybody who was in the Harris and Klebold folder (White, Intelligent, Single, plays video games).

They suspended me for writing an article for the farking school newspaper for christ sakes. Now, some were legitimate (1 fight, I don't think anything written in dry erase ink qualifies as "defacement" but wtf ever), but most of them were either for completely bullshiat reasons or for things I wasn't even involved in. One kid was passing out a floppy with a bunch of text files on it, one of them was the Anarchist Cookbook, the rest were phreaking mags and stuff you see any nerdy kid with a computer messing around with. I got suspended and had an expulsion hearing for having taken one of the floppies. I mean for farks sake it was Colorado's highest scored gifted and talented program, of course we're going to have stuff like that. Most of us were fluent in 3 languages at 13 and had IQs above 132 (the minimum IQ you had to have to get into the school).

Want to see an interesting trend? Look at the teen suicide rates in CO after Columbine. It was atrocious.

Well, if you're being 100% honest about all that, then your school's admin was farking stupid. Sorry you and your buds had to go through all that. Hope the scars have healed.


They're still doing crap like this, as you can see. Kinda salts the wound a little bit.
 
2012-12-29 01:55:10 PM  

SubBass49: iq_in_binary: SubBass49: iq_in_binary: Story of my life. Columbine was 7th grade for me. White, Single, Intelligent (I was in a GT program). Played video games. I swear to god they looked for whatever they could to suspend me and have expulsion hearings. My friends, too.

Half of them ended up dangling from hemp.

And people wonder why I spent my early twenties a Randroid.

Was your school administration that bored? I know lots of people that fit your description who went about their daily lives with no problem after Columbine. Me thinks you may be leaving some things out of this story...just sayin'

No, they just plain wanted me and everybody like me gone, anybody who was in the Harris and Klebold folder (White, Intelligent, Single, plays video games).

They suspended me for writing an article for the farking school newspaper for christ sakes. Now, some were legitimate (1 fight, I don't think anything written in dry erase ink qualifies as "defacement" but wtf ever), but most of them were either for completely bullshiat reasons or for things I wasn't even involved in. One kid was passing out a floppy with a bunch of text files on it, one of them was the Anarchist Cookbook, the rest were phreaking mags and stuff you see any nerdy kid with a computer messing around with. I got suspended and had an expulsion hearing for having taken one of the floppies. I mean for farks sake it was Colorado's highest scored gifted and talented program, of course we're going to have stuff like that. Most of us were fluent in 3 languages at 13 and had IQs above 132 (the minimum IQ you had to have to get into the school).

Want to see an interesting trend? Look at the teen suicide rates in CO after Columbine. It was atrocious.

Well, if you're being 100% honest about all that, then your school's admin was farking stupid. Sorry you and your buds had to go through all that. Hope the scars have healed.


CSB- In my area (PA) it was different from school to school. I wore a black leather duster to school a few weeks after Columbine, played video games, listened to metal AND ICP, yet no one gave me any shiat. My friend at a different school was in trouble almost daily for asinine, contrived "trench-coat mafia" bullshiat. He was just a huge pot/metal head that liked to be disruptive, he wasn't a delinquent. Well, except for the pot I guess, but then I don't assign points against people for ingesting safe, non-toxic plants. In the cases of punishment asshattery, it was always an administration problem. Funny thing was I went to the Catholic high school, my friend was in public school. You'd think the Catholics would be more oppressive but it was the exact opposite.
 
2012-12-29 01:58:50 PM  

SubBass49: Holy shiat! Reasonable and logic discourse on MY Fark? Bravo to you for such a well thought out and hyperbole-free statement. FAVORITED


Thanks! I've given this whole ordeal a lot of thought lately. My girlfriend is an elementary special-ed assistant, so certainly Sandy Hook hit home more than I was willing to admit. I also feel that the one-size-fits-all solutions many propose - ban all the guns, keep all the guns, put armed security in schools - are just the usual reactionary "do something for the sake of action" solutions that usually come up in the wake of a tragedy. They'll make some people feel safer, but it's doubtful they'll actually be any safer.

Unfortunately, we're tuned to hone in on outward signs that indicate discord and separation from the norm, and treat those as the warning signs of something greater. I sometimes wonder how the principals, teachers and guidance counselors who knew me as a straitlaced top-ten student would have felt if they knew I had a Metallica CD or two in my collection, or that I played Duke Nukem 3D most nights when I got home from school and work, or that I would go on to play Counter-Strike aggressively as a college student. In fact, I hesitated to buy that Metallica CD (the Black Album, fear not, I have some measure of taste) because I felt like only the kids who wore Pantera t-shirts and black makeup to school would listen to Metallica. It's largely an image thing. As teens, we're more easily defined; as adults, we choose to separate our tastes from our image, to an extent.

That's why I wonder how I'd have felt if I were pulled out of class to explain why I'd drawn a rifle in the margin of my history notes. Sure, I know I've never fired so much as a BB gun since I was thirteen. Can they be expected, as administrators in charge of 2000 students, to take me at my word? As a student, my best case is to get a "you're a good kid, don't draw that again" lecture from my guidance counselor, slink back to my regularly-scheduled class already in progress, and hope no one asks me later what the hell that was all about. Either way, I'm going to be embarrassed, because the kid everyone used to say would probably be valedictorian just got called to the office, so he must have done something. And that's the absolute best case for me.

I don't know what the answer is. I think that we need to accept some degree of risk in life so that we don't unnecessarily stifle or restrain those who can handle themselves in polite society. It's just a question of how willing the different factions are to compromise.
 
2012-12-29 02:07:34 PM  
I drew was worse in my notebook when i was in school, I shudder to think of what teachers today would think of it, my teachesr did not give a fark.
 
2012-12-29 02:13:59 PM  

pwn3d781: I think that we need to accept some degree of risk in life so that we don't unnecessarily stifle or restrain those who can handle themselves in polite society.


That's what the rational moral of society dictates, not restricting the rights of others.

We're about as utopian as we're going to get without hemming in people with tastes that differ from ours. Some people's idealistic fantasies are fine, it's good for them, but bad for anyone who doesn't agree.

It's that some people on whatever level feel that they're more equal than others, that their vote counts more. There's a distinct lack of empathy, and an abundance of undeserved righteousness, in a lot of politics and such. That is the birthplace of these sorts of people that want others to conform to their standards.

It's bears a distinct resemblance to many religions and their contempt for other religions, as do their arguments as to what laws should be passed.
 
2012-12-29 02:35:39 PM  

pwn3d781: SubBass49: Holy shiat! Reasonable and logic discourse on MY Fark? Bravo to you for such a well thought out and hyperbole-free statement. FAVORITED

Thanks! I've given this whole ordeal a lot of thought lately. My girlfriend is an elementary special-ed assistant, so certainly Sandy Hook hit home more than I was willing to admit....


Indeed. I'm a high school art teacher, and I see some shiat sometimes that has me contacting administration and school psychologists. Had more than my share of psychos in my classes over the years.

Sandy Hook really hit me hard though. I've got 2 young daughters (ages 4 and 1.5), and I'm pretty interested in making sure they outlive me, but that I also get a chance to see them grow up (and keep them from having "daddy's been gone since I was little" issues). So I get to experience the fear & doubt as both a parent and a teacher.

Let's just say that the day of the Sandy Hook incident was one of my most emotional days since 9/11.
 
2012-12-29 02:38:58 PM  

SubBass49: pwn3d781: SubBass49: Holy shiat! Reasonable and logic discourse on MY Fark? Bravo to you for such a well thought out and hyperbole-free statement. FAVORITED

Thanks! I've given this whole ordeal a lot of thought lately. My girlfriend is an elementary special-ed assistant, so certainly Sandy Hook hit home more than I was willing to admit....

Indeed. I'm a high school art teacher, and I see some shiat sometimes that has me contacting administration and school psychologists. Had more than my share of psychos in my classes over the years.

Sandy Hook really hit me hard though. I've got 2 young daughters (ages 4 and 1.5), and I'm pretty interested in making sure they outlive me, but that I also get a chance to see them grow up (and keep them from having "daddy's been gone since I was little" issues). So I get to experience the fear & doubt as both a parent and a teacher.

Let's just say that the day of the Sandy Hook incident was one of my most emotional days since 9/11.


Also have has the joy of experiencing a school lock-down while on duty. Huddling my students into a tiny windowless room with no lights on and the doors locked from the inside...listening to the weeping of students fearing the worst...trying to comfort them as best I could...going all-out commando-crawl to get to the computer (back in the classroom) because admin would only relay info by e-mail at that time.

/turned out to be a guy on PCP was confronted by cops, kept walking, got tazered, ripped out the darts, and headed towards the school. He was taken down just outside the gates apparently.
//Still an experience I don't wish on anyone.
 
2012-12-29 02:39:16 PM  
"Details of the drawings were sketchy"
 
2012-12-29 02:56:00 PM  
Well they do say that public school is just to prep you for life in prison, so...
 
2012-12-29 03:23:36 PM  
A message to all the parents out there:

If you snowflake gets in trouble (BS trouble like this situation, or even real trouble) and the police show up asking to search your home a/o the kids bedroom. JUST SAY NO. Don't even let them in the house. Make them come back with a search warrant. In a case like this they probably wouldn't have been able to get one and you won't have to pay thousands of dollars in lawyers bills. You will have to decide for yourself whether to search the kids room while waiting on the warrant to see if you can find and hide anything that might get the child in legal trouble.
 
2012-12-29 03:25:44 PM  
Enjoy your Law Enforcement fetish, America. You earned it.
 
2012-12-29 04:03:04 PM  
Diet Coke and Mentos will explode when mixed together (if you screw the lid back on the bottle after dropping in the candy). Better suspend every kid who lives in a house that has candy and 2-liter bottles of pop in the kitchen!
 
2012-12-29 04:14:27 PM  

Amos Quito: beefoe: I heard about a similar story where a kid in Galloway Township was arrested for doodling in his notebook and police found chemicals that "if mixed together, could explode". Must be a lot of this going around.


Okay, now I'm worried.

Would someone please post a comprehensive list of all "chemicals" that might potentially explode or otherwise be "dangerous" in some way either alone or mixed with other "chemicals"?

God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.


Depending on the horsecrap definition of "explode" the police are using, vinegar and baking soda would do. Or lye and aluminum foil.

So, if you're a farm kid, and into electronics, it's instant arrest? I could have (and did) make all sorts of improvised explosives. Beaver dams, they won't blow themselves up.
 
2012-12-29 04:34:06 PM  

fredklein: Silly Jesus: There's a difference between "OMG police are horrible and just out to get you and under no circumstances talk to them even when it is legitimately beneficial (to you or others) to do so" and "don't readily admit to your crime."

It's never "legitimately beneficial" to talk to the cops without a lawyer.

Watch the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Pay special attention to the parts where he shows that even an innocent person can get in trouble if they do so.

[img831.imageshack.us image 637x388]


^THIS^
 
2012-12-29 04:58:01 PM  

Amos Quito: beefoe: I heard about a similar story where a kid in Galloway Township was arrested for doodling in his notebook and police found chemicals that "if mixed together, could explode". Must be a lot of this going around.


Okay, now I'm worried.

Would someone please post a comprehensive list of all "chemicals" that might potentially explode or otherwise be "dangerous" in some way either alone or mixed with other "chemicals"?

God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.


Heat your house with fuel oil  and have a bag of fertilizer in the shed? Homeland security will be there shortly.
 
2012-12-29 09:09:43 PM  
I'm going to tell you one way to stop this.

Starve the Beast.

As long as the government can borrow and print money to pay for this bullshiat, they will do more of it. Don't like the TSA and Homeland security? Cut off their money.
 
2012-12-30 07:32:35 AM  
Taken together, all the doodles of guns, fully-loaded bombers, and people with fire/ice/laser beams/force beams/etc. coming from their hands/eyes that I drew in elementary school could obliterate a sizable doodled country.
 
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