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2012-12-29 09:52:24 AM  
He didn't get tasered or shot so their response did show some restraint.
 
2012-12-29 09:55:02 AM  

gunga galunga: iq_in_binary: Yeah, we're worried about another Columbine or Sandy Hook, so let's do our best to prevent it by treating kids in a way that'll make them the kind of people that would pull another Columbine or Sandy Hook.

Fark off morons.

This is the shiat I've been banging my head against the wall over ever since Columbine. Asshat school administrators target kids that they perceive to be troubled, and then put them through a stigmatizing and traumatizing ordeal guaranteeing that if these students weren't disgruntled before, they sure as.shiat are now.

And they sweep it all under the rug to protect their own asses, which is exactly what is going to happen this time around. I'd love to see, for once, these assholes get their feet held to the fire and go through the same ordeal they put the kids through, but considering that the Supreme Court ruled that a school had their right to strip search a girl without any probable cause tells me they will continue to get away with their fascist behavior.


WHAT?
 
2012-12-29 09:56:39 AM  

Amos Quito: beefoe: I heard about a similar story where a kid in Galloway Township was arrested for doodling in his notebook and police found chemicals that "if mixed together, could explode". Must be a lot of this going around.


Okay, now I'm worried.

Would someone please post a comprehensive list of all "chemicals" that might potentially explode or otherwise be "dangerous" in some way either alone or mixed with other "chemicals"?

God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.


chlorine and brake fluid
chlorine and alcohol bomb
Drano and tin foil
 
2012-12-29 09:57:19 AM  
s9.postimage.org
i drew this in 11th grade. not my best work, but it would still get me expelled if i was in school today.
 
2012-12-29 09:58:50 AM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-12-29 09:59:50 AM  

Avery614: chlorine and alcohol bomb


no, that just makes chloroform . you're obviously a rapist.
 
2012-12-29 10:04:59 AM  
I'm so over this land of the insatiable bleak-freaks and home of the forced knavery.
 
2012-12-29 10:05:23 AM  

BlousyBrown: gunga galunga: iq_in_binary: Yeah, we're worried about another Columbine or Sandy Hook, so let's do our best to prevent it by treating kids in a way that'll make them the kind of people that would pull another Columbine or Sandy Hook.

Fark off morons.

This is the shiat I've been banging my head against the wall over ever since Columbine. Asshat school administrators target kids that they perceive to be troubled, and then put them through a stigmatizing and traumatizing ordeal guaranteeing that if these students weren't disgruntled before, they sure as.shiat are now.

And they sweep it all under the rug to protect their own asses, which is exactly what is going to happen this time around. I'd love to see, for once, these assholes get their feet held to the fire and go through the same ordeal they put the kids through, but considering that the Supreme Court ruled that a school had their right to strip search a girl without any probable cause tells me they will continue to get away with their fascist behavior.

WHAT?


yea, he's wrong, however the outrage that it went that far is justified
Link
 
2012-12-29 10:07:17 AM  

tillerman35: Typical newspaper writing. All them facts clutter up the page and take up valuable advertising space! My guess is that during interrogation the kid admitted to having chemicals of some sort or another at home, and that was enough for a warrant.

Which is why EVERY SINGLE KID should be shown that "don't talk to the police" video and have it beaten into their heads with a 2x4 that as soon as they're in trouble, or it seems like they MIGHT be in trouble, or it seems like the SRO has even glanced in their direction, they need to (1) shut up, and (2) lawyer up. Time to go have "the talk" with my kids.


You're as crazy as the admins, but in the opposite direction, I think.
 
2012-12-29 10:08:21 AM  

enderthexenocide: [s9.postimage.org image 800x626]
i drew this in 11th grade. not my best work, but it would still get me expelled if i was in school today.


lol, you were one of those douches that signed his name inside the artwork as if someone would ever steal it.

/just kidding
//zombies with weapons! S4 of Walking Dead.
 
2012-12-29 10:09:09 AM  

utah dude: no, that just makes chloroform


Really?? Learn something new every day. I love fark.

/less a bomb more of a pressure build up I think
 
2012-12-29 10:12:22 AM  
If this were the mindset when I was a kid, my friends and I would still be in jail. We'd skateboard down to the local gunshop for waterproof fuse "Sure! How much do you boys want?" and make bombs out of match heads and flare powder to detonate on the local football field.
 
2012-12-29 10:12:31 AM  

enderthexenocide: [s9.postimage.org image 800x626]
i drew this in 11th grade. not my best work, but it would still get me expelled if i was in school today.


Well you should be expelled for endangering the lives of fellow students who might see this and think that guns are any sort of defense against zombie hoards.
 
2012-12-29 10:13:48 AM  

jaybeezey: And the conversion of America to the Land of Chickenshiats has begun.


"Begun"?

i560.photobucket.com

Zeb Hesselgresser: Begun? Closer to finished.


Exactly.
 
2012-12-29 10:15:20 AM  
finalbossblues.com
That's pretty much the first thing I thought of.
 
2012-12-29 10:15:37 AM  

Amos Quito: ...Okay, now I'm worried.

Would someone please post a comprehensive list of all "chemicals" that might potentially explode or otherwise be "dangerous" in some way either alone or mixed with other "chemicals"?

God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.


http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
 
2012-12-29 10:16:28 AM  

airsupport: This story continues to enrage me. What have we become?


A nation of sandy vaginas. I weep for our country.

I remember back in 7th grade, I had a friend - Peter - who was an incredible artist. He drew a
Walther PPK and an aircraft carrier in my yearbook. I still have it some 25+ years later. Sad
to know that if he had done that in this day and age, it would be an arrestable offense.
 
2012-12-29 10:20:33 AM  
Gotta erase all signs of aggression to be a proper civilization, you see.

/erasing all signs of ambition is a small price to pay
//and don't give us your "what if it's all a big hoax, and we create a better world for nothing" BS, we're immune to it
 
2012-12-29 10:21:09 AM  

enderthexenocide: when i was in school i drew scenes of machine-gun toting sci-fi commandos gunning down waves of zombie aliens. i also drew a comic book with a bloody skeleton as a main character, who frequently murdered people (but they were all bad people). i remember i once drew a picture of the punisher spraying bullets on the cover of my old geometry notebook. if any teachers saw my artwork, they usually said something like "nice drawing, are you going to art school?"

now they'd arrest me and throw me in solitary confinement for the rest of my life.


My binders used to be covered with gibberish and drawings of bloody heads and hearts with knives
stuck through them. And swans made out of the number 2 and squirrels made out of the number 3.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-29 10:22:43 AM  

Molavian: stirfrybry: Popcorn Johnny: We don't have any details, but lets not let that stop us from assuming that the kid is innocent and the officials are morons.

It's the Fark way.

You'll It makes a fine slave

Don't humanize it.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
/Agrees
 
2012-12-29 10:23:57 AM  
I was a compulsive notebook-margin doodler. As someone who enjoyed sci-fi and action flicks, some of those doodles were not always G-rated sunshine and rainbows. Hell, in junior year of high school we were asked to write a short story for a graded assignment. I turned in a rewrite of something I'd written a couple years prior, a murder-mystery whodunit that was part "X-Files," part something that would probably become CSI in later years, and my teacher loved it. I know I wasn't the only fertile mind in those days; for that matter, my writing was inspired when I read some fiction by a friend (who would become part of the so-called Trenchcoat Mafia) and was sure I could write better than he could. Now, I read news stories like this one, and I have to wonder what the repercussions would be for any of us in today's school environment.

Of course, my fictional story was written a few months before Columbine. Flash forward to our senior year of high school, when my best friend and I arrived at the annual "senior breakfast" at a local restaurant/event center. It was raining, so my friend wore a long green raincoat into the building. As he entered, he could hear murmurs between the administrators at the door, asking each other "is that a trenchcoat?" They were also perturbed by the fact he wasn't wearing a tie, but eventually one of the admins insisted that he had to get rid of the raincoat...so he brought it back to his car, got his tie, and walked back sans raincoat, in the rain. Yup, makes perfect sense. The best part is that my friend and I had a reputation - as did our circle of friends - of being straitlaced, well-dressed, well-mannered top-ten students. So it wasn't like we were just screwing with authority.

It's all just a part of the burning need for administrators to "do something" to show they're "in charge" of the situation. It doesn't matter if the effort is meaningful or fruitful as long as it's effort. And as was hinted at above, sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, usually when you're trying to cure someone who isn't sick in the first place.
 
2012-12-29 10:24:26 AM  

BlousyBrown: gunga galunga: iq_in_binary: Yeah, we're worried about another Columbine or Sandy Hook, so let's do our best to prevent it by treating kids in a way that'll make them the kind of people that would pull another Columbine or Sandy Hook.

Fark off morons.

This is the shiat I've been banging my head against the wall over ever since Columbine. Asshat school administrators target kids that they perceive to be troubled, and then put them through a stigmatizing and traumatizing ordeal guaranteeing that if these students weren't disgruntled before, they sure as.shiat are now.

And they sweep it all under the rug to protect their own asses, which is exactly what is going to happen this time around. I'd love to see, for once, these assholes get their feet held to the fire and go through the same ordeal they put the kids through, but considering that the Supreme Court ruled that a school had their right to strip search a girl without any probable cause tells me they will continue to get away with their fascist behavior.

WHAT?


Yep - sad but true. (linky pops)
 
2012-12-29 10:25:17 AM  

airsupport: This story continues to enrage me. What have we become?


...And so the hysteria wars have begun...

Apparently, questionable artwork is now like giving a stiff-armed Nazi salute in the middle of downtown Berlin...you just don't do it.
 
2012-12-29 10:26:35 AM  

Avery614: /less a bomb more of a pressure build up I think

Avery614: utah dude: no, that just makes chloroform

Really?? Learn something new every day. I love fark.

/less a bomb more of a pressure build up I think


that's why you don't mix chlorine bleach with dish soap, unless u want a better soap with solvent in it. with this new found knowledge you can make a small batch of quickly-evaporating, although carcinogenic and smog producing-, organochlorine solvent-detergent cleaner to get gum off your shoe now, just don't tell the EPA, OSHA, SCAQMD, or CA Prop. 65.
 
2012-12-29 10:28:13 AM  

Silly Jesus: tillerman35: Typical newspaper writing. All them facts clutter up the page and take up valuable advertising space! My guess is that during interrogation the kid admitted to having chemicals of some sort or another at home, and that was enough for a warrant.

Which is why EVERY SINGLE KID should be shown that "don't talk to the police" video and have it beaten into their heads with a 2x4 that as soon as they're in trouble, or it seems like they MIGHT be in trouble, or it seems like the SRO has even glanced in their direction, they need to (1) shut up, and (2) lawyer up. Time to go have "the talk" with my kids.

You're as crazy as the admins, but in the opposite direction, I think.


Yes, telling people to not incriminate themselves is exactly as crazy as arresting somebody for doodling.
 
2012-12-29 10:28:30 AM  

utah dude: Avery614: utah dude: no, that just makes chloroform

Really?? Learn something new every day. I love fark.

/less a bomb more of a pressure build up I think

that's why you don't mix chlorine bleach with dish soap, unless u want a better soap with solvent in it. with this new found knowledge you can make a small batch of quickly-evaporating, although carcinogenic and smog producing-, organochlorine solvent-detergent cleaner to get gum off your shoe now, just don't tell the EPA, OSHA, SCAQMD, or CA Prop. 65.


since dish soap is cut with craploads of ethanol these days. you're paying for everclear, not detergent molecules. :(
 
2012-12-29 10:35:01 AM  

beefoe: I heard about a similar story where a kid in Galloway Township was arrested for doodling in his notebook and police found chemicals that "if mixed together, could explode". Must be a lot of this going around.


Yeah, I thought this was a repeat. This is a different incident?

My daughter drew a picture last night of a space princess with a cool ray gun blasting aliens which were glowing skeletons. It was a good pic, and it bugged me that as her mom instead of just praising her artwork and creativity I had to spend time telling her to never ever ever ever draw anything like it at school, or bring it or anything like it into school to show her friends.
 
2012-12-29 10:37:10 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Silly Jesus: tillerman35: Typical newspaper writing. All them facts clutter up the page and take up valuable advertising space! My guess is that during interrogation the kid admitted to having chemicals of some sort or another at home, and that was enough for a warrant.

Which is why EVERY SINGLE KID should be shown that "don't talk to the police" video and have it beaten into their heads with a 2x4 that as soon as they're in trouble, or it seems like they MIGHT be in trouble, or it seems like the SRO has even glanced in their direction, they need to (1) shut up, and (2) lawyer up. Time to go have "the talk" with my kids.

You're as crazy as the admins, but in the opposite direction, I think.

Yes, telling people to not incriminate themselves is exactly as crazy as arresting somebody for doodling.


Well, you are talking indoctrination.

Ever consider that some people consider "dodging" a question, to be lying?
 
2012-12-29 10:40:59 AM  

lewismarktwo: They did this after Columbine too. One girl I knew of wrote stories that didn't consist of teddy bears and rainbow farts and she had red hair. They almost expelled her.

Asshole school admins just use the current climate to fark with students they don't like.


I got caught up in the mess after columbine was 18 gay and in a redneck town and one of the only 5 students at my school that did not drive a pickup with camo paint and truck nuts spent more time in the office them in class the last 2 months of senure year of high school

/ also one of six people that had a college degree at the 10 year reunion out of a class of 175
 
2012-12-29 10:42:24 AM  

Avery614: Amos Quito: beefoe: I heard about a similar story where a kid in Galloway Township was arrested for doodling in his notebook and police found chemicals that "if mixed together, could explode". Must be a lot of this going around.


Okay, now I'm worried.

Would someone please post a comprehensive list of all "chemicals" that might potentially explode or otherwise be "dangerous" in some way either alone or mixed with other "chemicals"?

God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.

chlorine and brake fluid
chlorine and alcohol bomb
Drano and tin foil


utah dude: Avery614: chlorine and alcohol bomb

no, that just makes chloroform . you're obviously a rapist.



Oh great, now they can say that I've been "researching" this stuff on the internet.

I'm doomed.
 
2012-12-29 10:45:45 AM  
Apparently it is now a crime to exercise your mind in this country
thethoughtexperiment.files.wordpress.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-29 10:46:02 AM  
Not-so-much CSB as true/odd:
Back in high-school our teacher was doing a bit of paperwork and over heard us arguing about a chemistry problem.
We were collectively discussing the right and proper way to make fulminate of mercury.
He came over and grabbed the papers we were working on and his face got really red and he was PISSED.
His voice was very stern when he said "What the hell is wrong with you kids?" "..do you not pay attention in class at ALL?"
"This process if both fuming and exothermic, but none of you have mentioned the use of a ventilation hood, or a cooling method to leech off the excess heat rendered."
He threw the notes back on the desk and said "That just became a quiz for you 5 turkeys, better be right before end of class tomorrow"


I wonder what jail we would have all gone to for that now? And for how long?

/and yet none of us have ever blown up anyone/anything other than some junk at a landfill, nor ever shot/shot at, a person or animal
 
2012-12-29 10:46:26 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: BlousyBrown: gunga galunga: iq_in_binary: Yeah, we're worried about another Columbine or Sandy Hook, so let's do our best to prevent it by treating kids in a way that'll make them the kind of people that would pull another Columbine or Sandy Hook.

Fark off morons.

This is the shiat I've been banging my head against the wall over ever since Columbine. Asshat school administrators target kids that they perceive to be troubled, and then put them through a stigmatizing and traumatizing ordeal guaranteeing that if these students weren't disgruntled before, they sure as.shiat are now.

And they sweep it all under the rug to protect their own asses, which is exactly what is going to happen this time around. I'd love to see, for once, these assholes get their feet held to the fire and go through the same ordeal they put the kids through, but considering that the Supreme Court ruled that a school had their right to strip search a girl without any probable cause tells me they will continue to get away with their fascist behavior.

WHAT?

yea, he's wrong, however the outrage that it went that far is justified
Link


And they found one Justice who actually AGREED with the school.

/ONE!
 
2012-12-29 10:47:38 AM  
just favorited AQ
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-12-29 10:49:19 AM  

pwn3d781: I was a compulsive notebook-margin doodler.


Funny, but so far it has been my experience that those that doodle a lot on paper tend to be prolific problem solvers who are adept at navigating complex and often esoteric scenarios. Most of the younger I.T. people I have hired/mentored have this attribute. And to their credit, they have been a credit to me.
 
2012-12-29 10:51:06 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Silly Jesus: tillerman35: Typical newspaper writing. All them facts clutter up the page and take up valuable advertising space! My guess is that during interrogation the kid admitted to having chemicals of some sort or another at home, and that was enough for a warrant.

Which is why EVERY SINGLE KID should be shown that "don't talk to the police" video and have it beaten into their heads with a 2x4 that as soon as they're in trouble, or it seems like they MIGHT be in trouble, or it seems like the SRO has even glanced in their direction, they need to (1) shut up, and (2) lawyer up. Time to go have "the talk" with my kids.

You're as crazy as the admins, but in the opposite direction, I think.

Yes, telling people to not incriminate themselves is exactly as crazy as arresting somebody for doodling.


There's a difference between "OMG police are horrible and just out to get you and under no circumstances talk to them even when it is legitimately beneficial (to you or others) to do so" and "don't readily admit to your crime."
 
2012-12-29 10:53:19 AM  

gja: pwn3d781: I was a compulsive notebook-margin doodler.

Funny, but so far it has been my experience that those that doodle a lot on paper tend to be prolific problem solvers who are adept at navigating complex and often esoteric scenarios. Most of the younger I.T. people I have hired/mentored have this attribute. And to their credit, they have been a credit to me.


I have found them to largely be mentally ill. NTTAWWT
 
2012-12-29 10:53:22 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: ...
You're as crazy as the admins, but in the opposite direction, I think.

Yes, telling people to not incriminate themselves is exactly as crazy as arresting somebody for doodling.

Well, you are talking indoctrination.

Ever consider that some people consider "dodging" a question, to be lying?


You are mistaken. Worse, you are mistaking one thing for another. Worse yet, both of these things that you are ignorant about are fundamental to your success and well-being in the world.

I suggest you get cracking on learning what each of the above (indoctrination & self-incrimination) really are. Unless, of course, you want to live your life as an example to others - of what not to do.
 
2012-12-29 10:53:25 AM  

glennizen: Amos Quito: ...Okay, now I'm worried.

Would someone please post a comprehensive list of all "chemicals" that might potentially explode or otherwise be "dangerous" in some way either alone or mixed with other "chemicals"?

God only knows how many household cleaners I have that could potentially land me in the pokey.

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html



That's some scary shiat.
 
2012-12-29 10:54:09 AM  
We need way more government to control schools. Things like this would be routine and Farkers wouldn't have anything to rage about.

Wait... aren't Unions Democrat-based?

Conundrum unlocked
 
2012-12-29 10:55:54 AM  
My high school sketchbooks would have landed me in juvie or Gitmo in today's climate. I was there for the very beginnings of "zero tolerance".

This country has lost its f*cking mind.
 
2012-12-29 10:58:35 AM  

Candygram for Mongo: "The details on what was precisely in the drawings are sketchy"

Well, yeah. That's kinda how you do it.


Apparently his were a little too 'shady'.
 
2012-12-29 10:59:03 AM  

utah dude: that's why you don't mix chlorine bleach with dish soap, unless u want a better soap with solvent in it. with this new found knowledge you can make a small batch of quickly-evaporating, although carcinogenic and smog producing-, organochlorine solvent-detergent cleaner to get gum off your shoe now, just don't tell the EPA, OSHA, SCAQMD, or CA Prop. 65.


Now that's interesting, I'll have to........not incriminate myself.

/seriously pretty cool

utah dude: since dish soap is cut with craploads of ethanol these days. you're paying for everclear, not detergent molecules. :(


In other words high school students will start drinking it soon. Seriously, high schoolers, I know you're out there, why are you drinking hand sanitizer FFS?

Amos Quito: I'm doomed.


No more than the rest of us, act accordingly.

/shiat would be funny if it wasn't so depressing
 
2012-12-29 11:00:40 AM  

utah dude: just favorited AQ



Fav'd you the other day in the NY "gun map" thread  :-)
 
2012-12-29 11:01:26 AM  
Bomb making chemicals = Diet Coke and Mentos.

I also think some people need to read "1984" and learn about thought crimes.
 
2012-12-29 11:09:07 AM  
Heavy Metal Album title:

Smell The Burning Glove
 
2012-12-29 11:10:31 AM  

Silly Jesus: There's a difference between "OMG police are horrible and just out to get you and under no circumstances talk to them even when it is legitimately beneficial (to you or others) to do so" and "don't readily admit to your crime."


It's never "legitimately beneficial" to talk to the cops without a lawyer.

Watch the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Pay special attention to the parts where he shows that even an innocent person can get in trouble if they do so.

img831.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-29 11:11:34 AM  

Amos Quito: utah dude: just favorited AQ


Fav'd you the other day in the NY "gun map" thread  :-)


You, spentmiles, and PocketNinja were the first 3 farkers I favorited, you guys are all funny as hell. Now utah dude is my "knows about chemicals" favorite.
 
2012-12-29 11:14:53 AM  
We need to have doodlers in all schools walking the halls.
 
2012-12-29 11:17:37 AM  
At no point in time did the boy threaten the school, school officials, or his classmates. He cooperated fully with authorities, and a search of the school itself found nothing dangerous. The boy's mother describes him as a good boy and frequent volunteer with a passion for disassembling old things and reassembling them. School district superintendent Steve Ciccariello stated that he would not expect violent behavior from the student. Further, Galloway Township Police Chief Pat Moran recognized that "There was no indication he was making a bomb, or using a bomb or detonating a bomb." Despite all this, the boy was arrested - all because he doodled in his notebook.

AT NO POINT DID HE THREATEN THE SCHOOL

RELEASE HIM
 
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