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2012-12-29 03:43:14 AM  

RedVentrue: omeganuepsilon: RedVentrue: Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.

Sort of..

Patriarchy is also woven into most major religions, and can hang on even after religion is shed(as in the US, but we're improving * crosses fingers *).

Not the same thing, but often so entwined as to be not necessarily distinct from eachother.

Right! In this case, however, Hindu religion teaches respect for women, the culture is what is repressive. I believe this is due to 800 years or so of Muslim rule. Abrahamic religions ARE repressive towards women, and have been throughout their history.


Learn something every day. Been so long since I've read up on religions as such, that I've totally lost much of the details.

Wolf892: If I were a rapist, and knew I would get the death penalty for raping a girl, there's a better than likely chance I'll also murder her so that there's less chance of her identifying me to the police. Placing the death penalty on non murder related crimes might actually cause more murders to occur as the perpetrators try to cover up their crimes so they don't end up in the noose.


This, though it's irrelevant in this specific case where it was extremely violent and death occurred eventually. I don't necessarily agree with the stated effect(ie the argument that repurcussions and logical thinking are typically not that person's strongsuit), but it's something to seriously consider.

IMO, there are gradients to "rape", all the way down to a gray area of he said / she said, to the negative where there are false claims. (Touched on this in another thread, though it turned into how I'm a mysogynist or some such..go figure, not on Fark!).

Not saying anyone should get away with it(far from it), but on a case by case basis different punishments may be suitable. Mentally ill(ie innocently retarded but dangerous(to possibly include a frat boy who makes it with a girl that passed out if they were previously heavy petting or otherwise together), Truly psychopathic/megalomaniac(frat boy serial rapist, typically uses force and/or fear, often exceeding the need), and simply prejudiced / sociopathic.(to include the fratboy who rapes a random passed out girl that he found, because, well, he can)............not to mention mixes of the types

One could argue that anyone who does it simply "isn't right in the head", but the distinctions are important as with any other crime. Certain people you put in prison, others you put in a mental ward, some go straight to solitary / death penalty as violent and dangerously defective. Some apparently end up back on the street, living in a halfway house and not allowed within 500 yards of a school, or whatever.

I'd advocate an eye for an eye(rape and beating of the perpetrator) if it weren't for some of the perps who just wouldn't understand what was going on.(IE mentally deficient/ill category). That would be vengeance, not justice.

The other two groups? Sure, if there was some way to guarantee a non-violent case wouldn't just enjoy the shiat out of it.(no pun intended)

/I bring up frat boys because it was mentioned up thread, and in that other thread.
//A great many young white mails(stereotypical date rapist image here) are pointedly retarded, mildly dysfunctional. Many are sociopathic or even psychotic. Not all perps are created equal, and neither are the specifics behind any given types of crime.
///Most other crimes are judged on a scale of one form or another, theft to killing.
////I could even see a Manslaughter equivalent for "he says she says" if there is some evidence but no real proof, nothing really convicable(which would grant a higher degree and punishment). Put the alleged perp (maybe both involved)through some classes and individual therapy or some such. Clearly something is amiss with the both of them if that's the kind of people they're drawn to...

On that note, it's just about time for some sleep.
 
2012-12-29 03:43:57 AM  

OgreMagi: clyph: OgreMagi: The problem is the police generally refuse to do anything and say the woman are whores so they deserved it.

So, not much different than the USA, in other words.

What decade do you live in?


the same one you live in. If you haven't heard, it still happens everyday in the US.
 
2012-12-29 03:46:08 AM  

gibbon1: What the rapist is going to sue the victim for having an overly attractive hoo haa? Put it this way, when the cops catch you pushing a shopping cart loaded with merchandise out the door of a business after hours, your claims that the door was not only unlocked but wide open will not impress them much, nor the judge, nor your fellow prisoners at the pokie.


Nope, it won't save the perp from a burglary charge, nor should it. The shop owner is going to be SOL on any insurance claim though.

Contributory negligence doesn't diminish the crime. It does, however, diminish or even reverse civil liability. And, IMHO, moral responsibility as well.

As I said in the Boobies, blaming the victim is wrong. Reckless behavior does not excuse a crime, but conversely, neither does a crime excuse reckless behavior.

Just because you were wronged does not automatically make you blameless. Life is not a zero sum game - both parties can be wrong to varying degrees.
 
2012-12-29 04:16:25 AM  
Find the people that did this, rape them, kill them, revive them, rape them again, kill them again...
 
2012-12-29 04:25:01 AM  

gblive: atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion.

All the people involved were Hindus, not Muslims.


do we know this? have the people been found? there are Muslims in the country... The most you can say about his statement is "maybe"...
 
2012-12-29 04:30:36 AM  

Crazy Lee: In 2010, 8391 dowry death cases were reported across India, meaning a bride was burned every 90 minutes, according to statistics recently released by the National Crime Records Bureau....


Yeah, it's a seriously farked up culture over there. Honestly they make Saudi Arabia seem like a bastion of gender equality in comparison.
 
2012-12-29 04:58:09 AM  

TigersorHawksorBoth: fusillade762: The protesters are demanding stronger protection for women and the death penalty for rape, which is now punishable by a maximum of life imprisonment.

I'm generally anti-death penalty, but in this particular case I'd make an exception.

nah, death penalty for those who kill several people.


were it your sister, mom, niece, aunt, wife or girlfriend you may feel different
 
2012-12-29 04:59:04 AM  
Perhaps in a roundabout way atomicmask is trying to make the point that had this been a Muslim country, the thread would be overwhelmingly about how Islam is a "religion of peace" but instead throughout this story Hinduism hasn't been painted with the same broad brush as Islam generally is on fark.

/probably not
//need to go puke now thinking of the awfulness of this story
 
2012-12-29 04:59:20 AM  
I am heartened that India is tearing itself apart over the dignity of a rape victim. 20 or 30 years ago this might have been dismissed with a shrug. Now Indians care enough for the dignity of women that they will take to the streets.
 
2012-12-29 05:04:27 AM  
Reading this thread feels like watching Fark burn.

/Nero was a troll too
 
2012-12-29 05:07:06 AM  

clyph: NativeDaughter: She must have been dressed provocatively.
And she was probably drunk.

I get the point you're trying to make.

Ther'es a fine line between blaming the victim (which is wrong), and pointing out that the victim voluntarily engaged in reckless or negligent behavior which contributed to the circumstances of the crime.

If I leave my car unlocked, and somebody steals it, they're still guilty of grand theft auto. But my insurance company probably isn't going to pay out either, because of my failure to take reasonable precautions to prevent the crime.

Contributory negligence and attractive nuisance are well-established legal doctrines.


You, sir, are the reason this happens.   Please rethink breathing.
 
2012-12-29 05:20:54 AM  

OgreMagi: There is absolutely no evidence that any religion had anything at all to do with this.  NONE.  But you are such a farking moron that you will always find some excuse to blame religion, especially Islam, even if every single fact says otherwise.


Both Hindus and Muslims use roaming rape gangs as a form of intimidation and local terrorism in India. The Hindus target non-Hindu, and Muslims target non-Muslims. We don't know that this incident was such a case. But it's not like the mention of religiously motivated rape in India is completely off base either.
 
2012-12-29 05:22:04 AM  
I remember seeing a video a long time ago on ogre.com, or some site like that...it showed local justice to a rapist in an Indian village. They tied him to a tree, dowsed him with gas, and tossed a lit match at him. Wooosh, instant justice.
 
2012-12-29 05:27:11 AM  

heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.


perhaps it was double decker? only explanation I can summon. who else was on the bus?
 
2012-12-29 05:29:34 AM  

moothemagiccow: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

perhaps it was double decker? only explanation I can summon. who else was on the bus?


Read the wiki article someone posted up thread. 6 or 7 dudes stole the bus for a joyride. One of the thieves was driving. They picked up the couple who got on thinking it was their regular bus. Then they did that terrible thing.
 
2012-12-29 05:29:38 AM  

duffblue: Lots of people jumping up to defend Islam in this thread and then bashing Christianity and Judaism in the next


Muslims have done plenty of stupid, violent stuff, but pointing out that India is mostly Hindu isn't 'defending Islam'.

And, what do YOU do when Christians or Jews...or Hindus... do stupid, violent things?

Pretend it never happened?

Religious folks seem to be good at that...
 
2012-12-29 05:51:36 AM  

NativeDaughter: RAPISTS, regardless of what the circumstances of the rape were, are responsible for their actions. Motherfarking period.


I actually agree with you. Any criminal is responsible for his or her own actions. I do not dispute that at all. My point is that the victim is responsible for his or her own actions as well, and the victim's actions often have a direct bearing on whether or not a crime happens. Two different people, two different sets of responsibility.

Rape, murder, assault, robbery... doesn't matter. Some crimes are random and unpreventable despite whatever precautions you take. Others are crimes of opportunity made possible by willfully risky behavior. Some are committed by strangers, others by people the victim unwisely trusted.

Any crime requires means, motive, and opportunity. You have little or no control over means and motive. You can control opportunity. You can learn to recognize the warning signs of an impending rape or assault. You can learn to avoid behaviors that mark you as an easy victim. You can learn to recognize dangerous situations and avoid them. Or you can go through life blissfully unaware that you've got a blinking neon sign over your head that says "easy victim". Far too many crimes, especially rapes, happen because the victim ignored the warning signs.

Your behavior can and does have a direct impact on whether or not a criminal selects you as a victim.

TL;DR version - "victim" and "dumbass" are not mutually exclusive conditions.
 
2012-12-29 05:53:52 AM  
www.newint.org
Don't dick around with rape?
 
2012-12-29 06:10:43 AM  

atomicmask: Islam, what a wonderful religion I don't know anything but i still feel entitled about my bigoted opinion.


see, if this were a cafe and you said that, I'd ask you what you thought you knew about Islam, India or anything else.
You would probably stammer, get diffuse and make yourself undoubtedly out to be the total ass you are.
a know nothing moran.

but here, you can go have at the Wikipedia and act like you know something...

but see the trick is, your post really shows you know nothing.

seewhatididthere?

/nozzle
 
2012-12-29 06:14:50 AM  

redheededstepchild: But should they fear going out in public because some random dude happens to THINK what they are wearing is suductive? Is being out of the house considered "risky behavior"?


There are degrees of risk.

Going out to a public bar with friends and getting a little tipsy is a slight and reasonable risk.

Going to a frat party with a bunch of strangers, and getting passing-out drunk, is highly risky.

Going to a biker bar wearing next to nothing, getting shiathammered, and engaging in some "harmless flirting" with the natives is about as smart and blameless as going into a lion cage wearing a meat dress.
 
2012-12-29 06:15:26 AM  

ArkAngel: I find it disturbing that we've had an "India gang rape" trifecta this week


That`s only because three were greenlit. There are many many more than that every single week. I saw a ted talk that said about one four year old girl who was found in a gutter with her organs hanging outside her body after being gang raped. She got aids and is dead now.

Anyone who suggests that these women and children are partly at fault because of how they look should be beaten with a rubber hose until they die because they look like a wanker to me.
 
2012-12-29 06:31:16 AM  

whatshisname: make me some tea: Farking savages.

But then there's that whole issue of mass murders of 5-year-olds to consider, isn't there? Who the hell are the savages?


what kind of dead horse are you beating to death exactly?

simply put, people have a tendency to "externalize"..it's why they cry during commercials and sappy films. it's a big part of advertising.

on one hand, they give money to Ethiopia ; "for just ten cents a day....etc etc" while making fun of the homeless person down the street.

cognitive dissonance.

it is the backbone of the american dream.

"we won the cold war!"
"my shoes are Chinese!"
 
2012-12-29 06:32:42 AM  

gblive: whatshisname: cmb53208: India is the pinnacle of civilization, and we should especially follow their lead on women's rights and honest government!

And yet it's fine for frat boys in a country now famous for their mass murders of children to make ignorant, ill-informed judgments on a country they have no clue about?

India has a long history of scams involving dishonest government. To get a sense of the history and size of these scams check out this two minute video.

Scams of India - A Summary Of Scams from 1947 to 2010


where is the Gunmerican version?
 
2012-12-29 06:38:17 AM  
It's their culture and we must respect other cultures. We are the evil nation with all the violence and death, poor human rights and such.
 
2012-12-29 06:55:02 AM  

Do_wacka_Do: It's their culture and we must respect other cultures. We are the evil nation with all the violence and death, poor human rights and such.


10/10
 
2012-12-29 07:01:27 AM  

dready zim: ArkAngel: I find it disturbing that we've had an "India gang rape" trifecta this week

That`s only because three were greenlit. There are many many more than that every single week. I saw a ted talk that said about one four year old girl who was found in a gutter with her organs hanging outside her body after being gang raped. She got aids and is dead now.

Anyone who suggests that these women and children are partly at fault because of how they look should be beaten with a rubber hose until they die because they look like a wanker to me.


The girl says "Oh uh-uh, wait a minute! Wait a minute! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a whore!" Which is true. Gentlemen, that is true. Just because they dress a certain way doesn't mean they are a certain way. Don't ever forget it. But ladies, you must understand that is farking confusing. It just is. Now that would be like me, Dave Chappelle, the comedian, walking down the street in a cop uniform. Somebody might run up on me, saying, "Oh, thank God. Officer, help us! Come on. They're over here. Help us!" "Oh-hoh! Just because I'm dressed this way does not make me a police officer!" See what I mean? All right, ladies, fine. You are not a whore. But you are wearing a whore's uniform.
 
2012-12-29 07:06:09 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: fark. Just ... fark. Goddammitallsomuch. We're nothing but rats, really.


Rats are better people than we are.
 
2012-12-29 07:08:26 AM  

whatshisname: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Having been on a few Indian buses - there is no rear-view mirror, and the driver may or may not be a municipal employee. It's bedlam, with 147 people on a bus designed for 60.


It was private bus.

Also, the farktards trying to make this about Islam, and not rape, should diaf.

/Hindu and Indian
 
2012-12-29 07:10:11 AM  
Third world people problems.
 
2012-12-29 07:15:08 AM  
I hate an awful lot of you f*ckers right now.
 
2012-12-29 07:18:08 AM  

Strongbeerrules:
Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-29 07:20:48 AM  

Silly Jesus: Third world people problems.


Troll now put on ignore problems.

Goodbye, you POS.
 
2012-12-29 07:21:14 AM  

KellyKellyKelly: I hate an awful lot of you f*ckers right now.


Why the hate?
 
2012-12-29 07:27:21 AM  

phrawgh: moralpanic: WTF? What's with all the gang rapes happening in India the last few weeks?

They are top heavy with men. In many Asian societies having a daughter is not preferred. Now, after a couple generations, the chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak, and it's a yard full of cocks. The religious (and/or political) repression, the grinding poverty and the lack of possibility of marriage and sexual release are factors these governments may not survive.

In this case, it is about the sex, but there's more.


/legitimate?



No, not really. India has a much, much higher rate of marriage than the United States or Europe.

And it's not like this type of stuff doesn't happen in the US all the time. There's a large body of academic literature about men being raped in US prisons over the last 100 years. But since it's men and prisoners, those cases are often overlooked.
 
2012-12-29 07:31:17 AM  
They really like rape in india.
 
2012-12-29 07:35:21 AM  

RedVentrue: brandent: sleeper2995: So when I read about something like I am just dumbfounded. How does this kind of thing start off? So your sitting around with your buddies having a few beers and your like "hey man have you been laid lately?" "No!" "Yeah me either! You know what we could really go for is some Rape! and everyone together starts chanting "Yeah rape thats a good idea lets do that!" But did they catch the guys who did this? I didn't get that far into the article.

I've never actually seen a real article on the motivations for this kind of stuff. There is a great deal of historical evidence for instance that rape was used systematically during war. You defeat a village and rape the women. Spoils of war and all that plus you plant your genes in their population. That's still done today in certain areas of the world. Then there's just gang raping for "fun" apparently which is commonplace in Africa for instance. Apparently India has a serious rape problem too (not saying it's religion folks) Has anyone ever done any kind of real study on this? What exactly motivates or is the thought process here? For instance, although I think I'm quite fond of sex, it has never ever once occurred to me that "gee what would be fun would be to hurt that person...that's a real turn on". Because one must be "turned on" to do a gang rape. I've never even met someone I suspect of thinking like that. But apparently it is quite common historically and in some places/situations even today. How exactly does one get "aroused"? I know I know, rape is not about sex, it's about power. Yes sure, but you still must be aroused I presume. How mentally and physiologically does that occur? Are these people different in some way? What in the world is going on here?

Not a religious problem, but a cultural problem. Any patriarchal society that restricts women's freedoms has this issue.


I guess but I would still think it would be crazy difficult to get and maintain a stable erection with a girl bleed and crying. I mean hell I have never thought bloody snot bubbles looked hot. It's good she isn't suffering anymore having to smell that awful curry.
 
2012-12-29 07:39:44 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


i6.photobucket.com

Plus all the Bollywood awesomenesses.
 
2012-12-29 07:43:34 AM  
Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?
 
2012-12-29 07:53:41 AM  

MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?


Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.
 
2012-12-29 08:06:01 AM  
Well, at least she didn't die a virgin.
 
2012-12-29 08:06:51 AM  

Apos: You're needed in India, Frank Castle.....


I'm not sure that'll be productive, this seems more like a Batman style problem to me.
/glad I could somehow joke about this, damn grim situation
 
2012-12-29 08:20:50 AM  

scubamage: heap: not that any of it makes sense, but i can't help but wonder....who in the hell looks in the rear view mirror, sees iron-rod-gang-rape, and just keeps driving?

hell, even Ms Crabtree would have tried the 'stop raping her, or i kill this cow' routine.

Either the driver didn't care, or he saw the other guy on the bus get nearly beaten to death for trying to intervene and decided to keep his mouth shut. Now why he wouldn't pull up in front of a police station and get help, that I can't answer.


Because these guys probably paid off the police or the driver was worried about his kids if this happened.
 
2012-12-29 08:26:51 AM  

schubie: Jesus Christ. This is the shiat that makes women in Islamic countries okay with covering themselves, being segregated and not driving. What the fark is wrong with men?



I blame genitals.
 
2012-12-29 08:34:48 AM  

whatshisname:

It's kind of pathetic watching the outrage over this while last week 20 kids were murdered and the major response from the public has been "Hell no! You aren't taking my second Amendment rights away!"


What is pathetic is simpleminded morons ignoring that the outrage over this isn't just over the attack, but the frequency and the general reluctance of the authorities to prosecute those guilty in attempt to make comparisons to their own "pet tragedy".
 
2012-12-29 08:34:56 AM  

Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?

Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.


Care to offer a better suggestion on how someone here can try to affect change there? Or are you the type who thinks watching Kony 2012 and hoping children in Africa aren't killed anymore will make a difference? Because if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.
 
2012-12-29 08:40:16 AM  

MmmmBacon: Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?

Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.

Care to offer a better suggestion on how someone here can try to affect change there? Or are you the type who thinks watching Kony 2012 and hoping children in Africa aren't killed anymore will make a difference? Because if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.


No, I don't think that there will be a difference made. There are lots of folks over there and I don't realistically think that anything that we do here can significantly change their population to any significant degree. It's largely a shiathole third world clusterfark. I understand the human desire to fix everything, but some things just can't be fixed.
 
2012-12-29 08:44:36 AM  

Strongbeerrules: Well, that's it. I'm boycotting the Tata Nano.

Seriously, what has this culture given the world besides bad food and a caste system?


Bad food? WTF are you on about? I had Indian buffet for lunch yesterday and it was awesome.
 
2012-12-29 08:44:41 AM  

whatshisname: Can you really be so obtuse? A pack of dogs are jumping on Indians while ignoring the problems in their own country and beating their chests about how they are so much more civilized...I mean fark me, most people here are slagging Islam for the crime when they don't even know the religions of India. It's ignorance and hipocrysy all balled up into a giant clusterfark. Sort of the history of American Foreign Policy over the last 60 years in a single thread!


Most people?

Do you not understand what "most people" means, or are you just full of shiat again?


Chinchillazilla: I'm curious what kind of judgement could have helped her avoid this situation. She was not alone. She got on what she thought was a normal bus. Suddenly she was attacked by six men with a pipe. What exactly should she have done, Monday morning quarterbacker?


I am in no way blaming here here. A women should be safe on any public transport system. But I am wondering if anyone more familiar with that part of India knows if that bus route, or area is normally considered "safe".

Once again, not blaming her, but wondering how common attacks like this are and if only the severity got attention, or just that it was an attack at all there.
 
2012-12-29 08:45:49 AM  
The way NaitiveDaughter is talking, she believes that a woman has a god-given right to get blackout drunk and walk around a biker bar wearing a see-thru thong bikini with complete impunity, and if something does happen to her she bears absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for putting herself in that situation.

It would be nice if that was the kind of world we lived in, where everyone was decent and respected everyone else's rights, and never took advantage of them when they let their guard down. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we could leave our front doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition of our cars.

But we don't live in that world. We live in a world inhabited by (a small number) of monsters and predators, and we ignore that fact to our own peril. Ultimately, you have to look out for yourself and take responsibility for your safety and your own actions. Furthermore, the law recognizes this fact by saying that we don't get to play the victim card (or at least only get to play it for reduced value) if we willfully abdicate our responsibility to take reasonable precautions.


I would feel perfectly safe walking around a biker bar in a see through bikini. Have you ever known a biker? Hung out with them? No? Then shut the fark up.

Rape is more about power and control than sexual desire. A rapist gets off on degrading another human being. What the victim is wearing doesn't really matter as much as you think. Every person deserves to be not-raped at all times, even if they are drunk and wearing sexy clothes.  You are using the same rationalization to justify a rape as a rapist would.
 
2012-12-29 08:46:30 AM  

Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Silly Jesus: MmmmBacon: Just a thought: Can we apply pressure on India economically to straighten their act out on rape and related crimes against women, by applying pressure on multinational companies that do business there? Basically, refuse to purchase products from Multinational X because they produce their products in India, or have call-centers there, etc. And in boycotting these companies, make sure they know exactly why they have lost your business. Then, if they are damaged enough through direct loss of sales or indirect loss of income due to bad PR, perhaps these companies will pull out of India or put pressure on the Indian government to take these cases seriously?

Not likely, of course, but trying to do something to effect change is better than thinking good thoughts and wishing the rape-gangs away, no?

Perhaps we could use unicorns to speed up the process.

Care to offer a better suggestion on how someone here can try to affect change there? Or are you the type who thinks watching Kony 2012 and hoping children in Africa aren't killed anymore will make a difference? Because if you have a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.

No, I don't think that there will be a difference made. There are lots of folks over there and I don't realistically think that anything that we do here can significantly change their population to any significant degree. It's largely a shiathole third world clusterfark. I understand the human desire to fix everything, but some things just can't be fixed.


Perhaps so, but standing by and writing off a whole society because of the horrific actions of some and the complicit actions of their government, seems almost as wrong in my book.
 
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